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Journey by Journey => Cross Country services => Topic started by: hoover50 on June 09, 2019, 09:36:20



Title: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: hoover50 on June 09, 2019, 09:36:20
Railway Magazine contributor Fraser Pithie has started a petition for more HSTs to be used on Cross Country services:

https://www.change.org/p/railway-passengers-get-more-seats-and-reliability-for-passengers-on-cross-country


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: broadgage on June 11, 2019, 11:34:28
I do not expect any significant numbers of HSTs to be re-introduced on Cross country.
So doing would be seen as an admission of defeat and that the Voyagers are a failure.

The rail industry and the government have gone to a lot of trouble to try and persuade us that the future is short DMUs and that HSTs are outmoded, old fashioned and not suited to todays needs.

Short DMUs were such a splendid success on Cross country, that a large fleet of similar short units have been obtained for GWR services.

Bringing back HSTs to Cross Country might be seen as the beginning off a most undesirable trend, people will then want them back on other routes as well.


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 11, 2019, 12:32:13
A few questions for you Broadgage:

1)  Weren't ten power cars and five rakes of coaches brought back to CrossCountry routes back in 2008 as part of a franchise commitment? 
2)  Would that not been seen as an admission of defeat just eight years after the voyager fleet was built, rather more than it might be now, some twenty years later with passenger numbers dramatically higher? 
3)  Aren't HSTs coming back to other routes as well in Scotland and also between Penzance and Cardiff on GWR routes?  Why was that not prevented to avoid embarrassment?
4)  Aren't TransPennine introducing thirteen new 'outmoded, old fashioned' loco-hauled rakes of carriages onto their services as well as new Hitachi BMUs?  Why didn't the government insist they were all BMUs to avoid unfavourable comparisons?

For the record, I am doubtful it will happen on XC, but for a different reason.  Namely the franchising hiatus meaning CrossCountry will want paying quite a lot to do it, and the government won't want to pay.


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: broadgage on June 11, 2019, 13:48:16
There have indeed been a number of small scale re-introductions of HSTs.
I do not foresee any significant returns for the reasons already given.

IMHO, the castle class short HSTs don't really count. Only four vehicles, no first class, no buffet, and retaining the high density commuter seating.
If they had been 5 vehicles, 4 standard plus one half buffet and half first class, and been low density then that would be more like a proper HST.


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: grahame on June 11, 2019, 13:58:20
Throwing another stone into this pond ...

The newly configured fleet running GWR Intercity services to the South West comprises trains of 2 lengths - 9 vehicle ones, and shorter (5 vehicle) ones which can run alone or coupled in pairs.

The fleet enhancement proposed in this thread for Cross Country services to the South West comprises trains of more of less 2 lengths - 9 vehicle ones, and shorter (5 or 4 vehicle ones) ones which can run alone or coupled in pairs.

It looks like this enhancement proposal in terms of mix of trains lengths and couplings would very much match what has just been done on the London trains, very much celebrating the growth of rail use by enhancing capacity using very much the same formula.


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 11, 2019, 14:16:18
There have indeed been a number of small scale re-introductions of HSTs.
I do not foresee any significant returns for the reasons already given.

Small scale re-introductions?  I make it 54 power cars for Scotrail, 10 for CrossCountry, and 24 for GWR.  Or to put it another way, 45% of the original fleet size.

I would describe those as fairly significant returns into action for a fleet you think the TOCs and government are conspiring to prevent from happening.


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: TonyK on June 12, 2019, 21:11:08
There have indeed been a number of small scale re-introductions of HSTs.
I do not foresee any significant returns for the reasons already given.

Small scale re-introductions?  I make it 54 power cars for Scotrail, 10 for CrossCountry, and 24 for GWR.  Or to put it another way, 45% of the original fleet size.

I would describe those as fairly significant returns into action for a fleet you think the TOCs and government are conspiring to prevent from happening.

No.


Title: Re: Petition for more HSTs on Cross Country Services
Post by: caliwag on June 13, 2019, 14:26:45
Hello, digression. Anyone know summer 2019 125 diags for xc please?



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