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Title: The Annual outrage............. Post by: TaplowGreen on August 06, 2019, 18:14:44 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/fury-at-aboveinflation-100-kick-in-the-teeth-on-rail-tickets-after-summer-of-delays-a4206551.html
Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: Clan Line on August 06, 2019, 20:50:47 You missed the link on that page to this "shock - horror" story too !
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/easyjet-passenger-pictured-sitting-on-backless-seat-during-flight-a4206671.html Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: grahame on August 06, 2019, 21:29:12 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/fury-at-aboveinflation-100-kick-in-the-teeth-on-rail-tickets-after-summer-of-delays-a4206551.html So ... predictable as a story ... Quote Commuters were today facing inflation-busting rail fare rises on services still blighted by delays, cancellations and overcrowding. Increases of about 2.7 per cent are due in January under the controversial ticket-pricing policy for Britain’s rail network. Such a rise, which is significantly higher than the rate of CPI inflation, would add more than £100 to the season tickets of hundreds of thousands of workers from London’s commuter belt. For travellers from Guildford, Crawley and St Albans it would jump by £103, from Stevenage £104, Chelmsford £110, Farnham £112, and Horsham, £113, according to figures from the Campaign for Better Transport. etc Just because it's predictable (and I predict a rerun in January) doesn't mean I'm saying it's right ... Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: Sixty3Closure on August 14, 2019, 08:57:48 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49331238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49331238) Looks like it will be 2.8%. More than my pay rise yet again :( Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: Pb_devon on August 14, 2019, 18:33:13 Are UK train fares the highest in Europe? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49346642 Useful, if somewhat brief, comparison. In summary, UK at or near the highest fares BUT the least subsidised. Anyone know of more detailed research? Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: stuving on August 14, 2019, 22:37:01 Are UK train fares the highest in Europe? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49346642 Useful, if somewhat brief, comparison. In summary, UK at or near the highest fares BUT the least subsidised. Anyone know of more detailed research? You could try this report: "Study on the prices and quality of rail passenger services" (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiRiLD5ooPkAhVIDOwKHaTPBqwQFjAAegQIAhAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Ftransport%2Fsites%2Ftransport%2Ffiles%2Fmodes%2Frail%2Fstudies%2Fdoc%2F2016-04-price-quality-rail-pax-services-final-report.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0aft5s735gGo3fGzHz5I3p). It was done in 2016 for the European Commission by Steer Davies Gleave, whose previous work on railways in the UK should at least guarantee that gets covered fully. But ... it's 236 pages, so I'm not sure exactly what's in most of it! Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: Pb_devon on August 15, 2019, 07:25:41 Thanks Stuving.....as you observed, a bit too detailed!
Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: ellendune on August 15, 2019, 07:39:54 The table at the end quotes the average fair per km as 0.21 (Euro) which is nearly the highest. I have not problem with paying that amount. It is the extraordinary range in prices per mile or per km or per mile - like Swindon and Kemble that is the problem.
Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: broadgage on August 15, 2019, 13:59:46 I would expect fares to rise in line with inflation, and don't mind paying a bit more for actual improvements. Unfortunately, I and many others consider that things have not improved recently, and on GWR have actually got worse in many respects.
We keep hearing how efficient the IETs are without space wasted on features previously provided on intercity trains, so should not fares be reduced without all that wasted space ? Likewise we hear how efficient it is to run a pair of 5 car units between London and Plymouth, with a single unit west of Plymouth. Presumably this great improvement in efficiency should be reflected in reduced fares. Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: IndustryInsider on August 15, 2019, 16:17:06 When the new timetable is introduced there will be 300000 extra IET seats to sell each year, or about 6000 a week, so I would imagine there will be quite a few more cheaper advance fares to be had. That’s what we’ve been told anyway.
Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: ChrisB on August 15, 2019, 16:26:01 I would expect fares to rise in line with inflation, and don't mind paying a bit more for actual improvements. Staff costs are at least 25% of all railway costs. Until their wage rises are linked to CPI% inflation, there is not a cat in hell's chance of fares being linked to that inflation fugure. For the RMT to com[plain about these rises is completely hypocritical, when they insist on staff rises above RPI%. Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: grahame on August 15, 2019, 16:47:07 I would expect fares to rise in line with inflation, and don't mind paying a bit more for actual improvements. Staff costs are at least 25% of all railway costs. Until their wage rises are linked to CPI% inflation, there is not a cat in hell's chance of fares being linked to that inflation fugure. For the RMT to com[plain about these rises is completely hypocritical, when they insist on staff rises above RPI%. Oh help - I grabbed this yesterday evening when I was looking at RoSCo profits ... and didn't note my source. Will edit in if I find it. Useful here to confirm that 25p in the pound, even if yesterday's interest was the 13p for train leasing! (http://www.wellho.net/pix/costbreakdown.jpg) Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: TonyK on August 15, 2019, 22:23:17 When the new timetable is introduced there will be 300000 extra IET seats to sell each year, or about 6000 a week, so I would imagine there will be quite a few more cheaper advance fares to be had. That’s what we’ve been told anyway. Here's hoping. Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: ellendune on August 15, 2019, 22:24:21 8p going to the government! I thought they subsidised the railways.
Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: stuving on August 15, 2019, 23:09:10 8p going to the government! I thought they subsidised the railways. Without knowing anything at all about that graphic or its basis, you could say that: 1. much of the subsidy goes to Network rail, for things that could never be called new infrastructure 2. a subsidy to a TOC could be added in as negative outgoings, but the alternative argument is that it's not received as part of the fare so can't be part of the breakdown of fares income Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: grahame on August 15, 2019, 23:40:40 8p going to the government! I thought they subsidised the railways. Without knowing anything at all about that graphic or its basis, you could say that: 1. much of the subsidy goes to Network rail, for things that could never be called new infrastructure 2. a subsidy to a TOC could be added in as negative outgoings, but the alternative argument is that it's not received as part of the fare so can't be part of the breakdown of fares income Darn it not found the graphic - but the figures are mirrored at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46398947 - "Reality Check: Where does your train fare go?" Title: Re: The Annual outrage............. Post by: TonyK on August 16, 2019, 09:27:31 8p going to the government! I thought they subsidised the railways. Without knowing anything at all about that graphic or its basis, you could say that: 1. much of the subsidy goes to Network rail, for things that could never be called new infrastructure 2. a subsidy to a TOC could be added in as negative outgoings, but the alternative argument is that it's not received as part of the fare so can't be part of the breakdown of fares income Good point. There could be 9p coming back from the government. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |