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Title: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Timmer on August 14, 2019, 07:45:02
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/west-coast-marks-new-partnership-model-for-rail

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First Trenitalia has today (14 August 2019) been announced as the successful bidder to operate the West Coast Partnership, set to provide passengers with new trains, more seats, simplified fares and more frequent services on the West Coast Main Line.

Both the Transport Secretary Grant Shapps and Keith Williams, chair of the Rail Review, have heralded the Partnership as vital to deliver the swift introduction of significant benefits for passengers. The new Partnership is also designed to fit with the direction of the Review and to facilitate the implementation of Williams’ recommendations in due course.

It also reflects a significant move away from the previous flawed franchising system to tackle issues already highlighted by the Williams Review, with the use of a forecast revenue mechanism (FRM) to avoid a repeat of the issues that affected the previous East Coast Main Line. This mechanism will be supported by a new annual review process, to ensure partnership working is effective, collaborative and continually improving.

The Transport Secretary has also confirmed that the government intends to produce a white paper in due course setting out the recommendations of Williams, to bring forward his vision for a truly passenger focused industry centred on clear, accountable leadership.
Continues...


Title: Intercity West Coast Partnership
Post by: plymothian on August 14, 2019, 07:45:20
To be announced today, First Group and Trenitalia are to take over the West Coast Partnership franchise from Virgin.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: grahame on August 14, 2019, 08:09:56
Great minds think alike ... two threads started on the same topic within minutes!   I have merged them ...


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: bradshaw on August 14, 2019, 08:22:48
That means First Group will now run WCP, SWR, GWR, TPE, Hull Trains and Croydon Trams.

The new franchise intends a half hourly Liverpool service which will probably kill off the Virgin open access interest.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on August 14, 2019, 09:00:20
Congratulations to FirstGroup. Got the West Coast at the second attempt.

Provided no one launches another legal challenge that is...


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on August 14, 2019, 09:23:40
Placeholder website has gone live, with information about all the future plans for the franchise.

https://www.westcoastrail.co.uk/


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: stuving on August 14, 2019, 09:29:53
BBC Breakfast TV in their news segment said Trenitalia had got the contract, and didn't mention First.

The BBC news site starts with head/subhead/first line of body:
"FirstGroup replaces Virgin to run West Coast route
FirstGroup is to take over the running of the West Coast mainline train route, connecting London Euston to Glasgow Central, from December.
Along with Italian firm Trenitalia, FirstGroup said the route would pave the way for an era of high-speed rail."

And dear old Metro goes the other way:
"Italian train company takes over West Coast Mainline
First Trenitalia will operate train services on the West Coast Main Line from December 8, the Department for Transport has said.
The joint partnership was awarded the West Coast Partnership (WCP) contract, which also includes responsibility for running the first HS2 trains from 2026."

Conspiracy theory, anyone? Or is it just common or garden sub-editing.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Zoe on August 14, 2019, 09:40:56
I noticed this in the statement from FirstGroup at https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1321900&cid=858

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Our fleet of 56 Pendolino trains will be completely refurbished, incorporating 25,000 brand new comfortable seats and additional luggage space for passengers. Better and more reliable free Wi-Fi and at-seat power will be provided for all customers across the fleet, with wireless charging and onboard entertainment. Catering will be upgraded with at-seat service for all.

I wonder if the two parts I have highlighted in bold will mean the end of the line for the buffet (shop) on this route.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Bob_Blakey on August 14, 2019, 10:02:07
A couple of things which I believe are cause for encouragement:

A commitment to retire their fleet of Voyager units, surely good news for the travelling public.
In my experience Trenitalia are very good at running High Speed train services and I hope that quality can be replicated in the UK.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: chuffed on August 14, 2019, 10:07:49
I have used all three classes of Freccia trains in Italy ( rossa, argento and bianco) and have always been most impressed with their speed, comfort and reasonable fares. They have also invested in Alstom Jazz EMU  trains for lightly used rural lines and I have to say they are just sensational. If only they ran them over here !


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: alan_s on August 14, 2019, 10:34:02
I noticed this in the statement from FirstGroup at https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1321900&cid=858

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Our fleet of 56 Pendolino trains will be completely refurbished, incorporating 25,000 brand new comfortable seats and additional luggage space for passengers. Better and more reliable free Wi-Fi and at-seat power will be provided for all customers across the fleet, with wireless charging and onboard entertainment. Catering will be upgraded with at-seat service for all.

I wonder if the two parts I have highlighted in bold will mean the end of the line for the buffet (shop) on this route.

I hope not, but you are probably right!


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: onthecushions on August 14, 2019, 10:49:30

How about an open access service to the North West/Scotland using this new GWR/WCP synergy?

IEP's would compete well with CC Voyagers, being diesel only between Didcot/Oxford and Coventry.

They could perhaps find the stock by electrifying to Bedwyn, releasing suburban use IEP's and allowing the 12odd daily  B&H services to run pan up for another 14 miles.

Just crayoning,

OTC


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Celestial on August 14, 2019, 11:14:48
Presumably the Voyagers are going to end up with Cross Country. Which probably means no extra stock for those services for another 3 years or so until they are released when the new trains arrive for West Coast.  That's a long time to wait whilst HST's rust in the sidings somewhere which could be used. (I doubt it would be cost effective to put automatic doors and proper toilets in for such a short period.)  That probably explains why the 1 year extension to XC had no mention of new stock, as the DfT already had it all mapped out. 


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on August 14, 2019, 11:38:47
I wonder if the two parts I have highlighted in bold will mean the end of the line for the buffet (shop) on this route.

Comments elsewhere suggest exactly that.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: broadgage on August 14, 2019, 12:52:49
I noticed this in the statement from FirstGroup at https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1321900&cid=858

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Our fleet of 56 Pendolino trains will be completely refurbished, incorporating 25,000 brand new comfortable seats and additional luggage space for passengers. Better and more reliable free Wi-Fi and at-seat power will be provided for all customers across the fleet, with wireless charging and onboard entertainment. Catering will be upgraded with at-seat service for all.

I wonder if the two parts I have highlighted in bold will mean the end of the line for the buffet (shop) on this route.

I fear so, it is called progress. I expect that the survey to justify the end of buffets on this route has already been done.
Elsewhere on these forums we have seen the strong opposition to buffets expressed by senior First group management.
And the views expressed by many members that there is no point in arguing about this, because it is a done deal and is permanent at least for the life of the present franchisee, and possibly for the life of the trains.

Prepare for a similar change on the West coast route.
Followed by complaints when the greatly improved trolley service turns out to be anything but.
Then after a couple of years, the publication of various plans to improve the trolley service to that which was promised.
Followed by suggestions that people like me should stop complaining because it is a done deal.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 14, 2019, 13:32:51
I noticed this in the statement from FirstGroup at https://otp.tools.investis.com/generic/regulatory-story.aspx?newsid=1321900&cid=858

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Our fleet of 56 Pendolino trains will be completely refurbished, incorporating 25,000 brand new comfortable seats and additional luggage space for passengers. Better and more reliable free Wi-Fi and at-seat power will be provided for all customers across the fleet, with wireless charging and onboard entertainment. Catering will be upgraded with at-seat service for all.

I wonder if the two parts I have highlighted in bold will mean the end of the line for the buffet (shop) on this route.
I'm trying to reconcile "First" with "reliable wi-fi".


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: plymothian on August 14, 2019, 17:44:03
Prepare for First to lose the Greater Western franchise when it comes up for proper renewal.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on August 14, 2019, 19:50:14
I don't know about First losing Greater Western, no one does yet. But I can foresee a brain drain to West Coast of the brighter management talents currently at GWR.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: ellendune on August 14, 2019, 19:56:03
Prepare for First to lose the Greater Western franchise when it comes up for proper renewal.

Given how few players there are in the market these days I would not put money on it. 


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: broadgage on August 15, 2019, 17:35:42
I don't know about First losing Greater Western, no one does yet. But I can foresee a brain drain to West Coast of the brighter management talents currently at GWR.

I agree. I can foresee proper railway managers deserting GWR for the exciting new opportunities offered by the new West Coast operation.
Mark Hopwood for example. Whilst I disagree with some of the views of Mr Hopwood, he is IMO, to be commended for joining this forum and answering questions.
He also appears to understand railways, which is more than can be said for some managers, who believe that possession of an MBA* means that they can run ANY business, without knowing much about it.

*Master of Business Administration, a type of degree often held by young keen managers with little knowledge of the business that they are running.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: mjray on August 15, 2019, 18:20:40
How about an open access service to the North West/Scotland using this new GWR/WCP synergy?

IEP's would compete well with CC Voyagers, being diesel only between Didcot/Oxford and Coventry.
Wouldn't the lack of tilt confine IEPs to lower speeds on the WCML?

Other than that, it seems a bit of a shame that First have got another franchise when their current ones don't seem to be working properly and this seems to replicate the GWR/SWR overlap in the north west with only TPE (already First) competing with ICWC on some routes, which seems not great for customers.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 15, 2019, 18:26:57
I don't know about First losing Greater Western, no one does yet. But I can foresee a brain drain to West Coast of the brighter management talents currently at GWR.

I agree. I can foresee proper railway managers deserting GWR for the exciting new opportunities offered by the new West Coast operation.
Mark Hopwood for example. Whilst I disagree with some of the views of Mr Hopwood, he is IMO, to be commended for joining this forum and answering questions.
He also appears to understand railways, which is more than can be said for some managers, who believe that possession of an MBA* means that they can run ANY business, without knowing much about it.

*Master of Business Administration, a type of degree often held by young keen managers with little knowledge of the business that they are running.

I'd take young and keen over old and cynical any day of the week  ;)


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 15, 2019, 19:30:26
Experienced but still keen might be the best combination. Maybe.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: MVR S&T on August 15, 2019, 19:57:47
How about an open access service to the North West/Scotland using this new GWR/WCP synergy?

IEP's would compete well with CC Voyagers, being diesel only between Didcot/Oxford and Coventry.
Wouldn't the lack of tilt confine IEPs to lower speeds on the WCML?

Do Voyagers (still) tilt?

Other than that, it seems a bit of a shame that First have got another franchise when their current ones don't seem to be working properly and this seems to replicate the GWR/SWR overlap in the north west with only TPE (already First) competing with ICWC on some routes, which seems not great for customers.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: MVR S&T on August 15, 2019, 20:44:16
Answering my own question.

'CrossCountry's Class 221s operate alongside 220s on the routes inherited from Virgin CrossCountry. Since these routes are not cleared for tilting operation (with the exception of Wolverhampton to Stockport), in 2008 the tilting equipment was locked out of use and shortly afterwards was isolated altogether, replacing the hydraulic rams with fixed tie-bars. This change was made to improve reliability and reduce maintenance costs.'
Wikipedia.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: TonyK on August 15, 2019, 22:57:12

I'm trying to reconcile "First" with "reliable wi-fi".

I rode on an IET from Tiverton Parkway to Paddington in May. I had recourse to the internet a few times en route, and it was only as we approached PAD that I realised that I had experience absolutely no problems with the WiFi connection at all!

I don't know about First losing Greater Western, no one does yet. But I can foresee a brain drain to West Coast of the brighter management talents currently at GWR.

And so can I, especially as the opening of services on HS2 moves closer. Opening the first new high speed railway since the Chunnel link will present some major challenges to think about, especially given the controversial nature of the line. The best players in the company will be thrown at it - I hope they are already training their likely replacements.

I think this announcement has to be seen as a major vote of confidence in First, especially given the opposition. MTR run a very tight ship in Hong Kong, where the Metro is the most profitable in the world, and still isn't expensive. This won't have been decided in the past few days, so I assumed Chris Grayling will have started the process of evaluating the bids. Grant Shapps and Jo Johnson will have simply needed to correct the errors and make the final coin toss. But not long ago, the financial pages of the papers were forecasting First's exit from British public transport, with Coast Capital driving forward plans to sack a lot of the board and concentrate on America alone. That seems to have been forgotten, although the Times did helpfully point out that First Group's debt is around three quarters of the group's value. Trenitalia is a bonus, as they work well in Italy in my experience.

But Stagecoach have hinted at court action, apparently winning the right to seek a judicial review of the decision. Hopefully, the work done by DafT will have been of a higher quality than in the famously botched case a few years back. Learning from mistakes is a good thing.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: broadgage on August 16, 2019, 15:36:09
I feel that the potential impact of HS2 is of very little relevance to operation of the West Coast route for some years yet.
To those quoting varying but still near term opening dates for HS2, I put the following question.

"How many route miles of new construction are proposed, and of these, how many miles have built"

I am not opposed to HS2 but I am cynical, or some would say realistic, about the opening date. I do not expect the first phase to open before 2030 at the very earliest, and 2040 might be more realistic.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: ellendune on August 16, 2019, 16:33:26
I feel that the potential impact of HS2 is of very little relevance to operation of the West Coast route for some years yet.

Have you seen what they are about to do at Euston? That will have an effect on West Coast operations fairly soon I would say. 


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: onthecushions on August 16, 2019, 18:13:47

Wouldn't the lack of tilt confine IEPs to lower speeds on the WCML?


The places where a 390 can go faster than an agile IEP are quite limited on the CC route and are of little time penalty. There are about 17 miles of enhanced permissible speed (c10-15 mph above non tilting speed) between Stafford and Crewe. There are actually about 10 miles of non tilting 125mph route between Wolverhampton and Stafford.

The speeds were largely set with Virgin in the WC upgrade, who didn't want to pay for other operators so it may be that First could look at increasing the non tilt 125mph sections, which would suit CC also.

The fact that the 221 tilt was deemed uneconomic and unnecessary says it all.

Manchester here I come (and perhaps Birkenhead Woodside)

OTC



Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on November 23, 2019, 18:16:08
Swansong from Virgin Trains...



No comment. :-X


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Timmer on November 23, 2019, 18:30:22
Well the Virgin razzmatazz isn’t for everyone and they weren’t perfect but I generally enjoyed travelling with them and shall be a little sad to see them leave the rail industry.

Seeing First get their hands on another rail franchise doesn’t overly please me. Having said that, I’m suitably impressed with what they are doing with Transpennine Express having got to try out one of their new Nova trains last week...Loco and coaches, now there’s a thing!


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: grahame on November 26, 2019, 06:53:35
A very useful piece in Business Live (https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/how-virgin-trains-leaving-west-17313046) telling us what all change as a result of First Trenitalia taking over from Virgin.  Worth clicking through to (even if it takes you out of the Coffee Shop)

Knowing that some elements of the customer experience are keenly followed by our members, I have selected the following paragraphs to give an idea of what is in the article as a whole:

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Any other benefits?

Better and more reliable free Wi-Fi is being promised on board, alongside at-seat wireless charging for electronic devices.

There's also a change in store in terms of food and drink.

A new on-board food offer is due to be launched - featuring produce by 'household names'. No further information has been revealed as yet.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: ChrisB on November 27, 2019, 14:56:49
They're taking on the whole of the Virgin senior management team....

From theTimes (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/virgin-boss-defects-with-his-team-to-run-west-coast-line-fslbhdqk8?shareToken=84da4f74bf3758b588cdd82f486009a4)
 
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The boss of Virgin Trains has defected to First Group to run the west coast
main line rail franchise when it takes over operation of the country’s most
lucrative network in 12 days’ time.
 
Phil Whittingham, a stalwart of Virgin Trains since it was handed the west
coast main line at privatisation 23 years ago, is to continue running the
London-Birmingham-Manchester-Glasgow line. Virgin had criticised the
Department for Transport’s decision to ditch it in favour of a First Group
joint venture with Trenitalia, the Italian state railway.
 
Mr Whittingham, 48, Virgin Trains’ managing director since 2013, will lead
a mass migration of his management team to First Group.
 
The appointments prompted bemusement among rival rail industry executives.
“Isn’t this the same Virgin management team that has spent the last two
year’s rubbishing First Group’s bid?” commented one.
 
Virgin Trains, which is a joint venture between the entrepreneur Sir
Richard Branson and Stagecoach, the passenger transport group, is still in
dispute with the DfT over the award of the west coast line.
Virgin/Stagecoach was barred from the bidding competition because of a row
over train workers’ future pension liabilities. Court hearings are due to
take place in the new year.
 
Criticisms of the franchise award to First Group/Trenitalia has come
against the background of the crisis at the heavily lossmaking First Group.
Its operation of South Western Railway has been in chaos and First is
currently fighting activist investors trying to break up the group.
Trenitalia, meanwhile, has limited experience in the UK and no experience
operating fast intercity services. Its only UK contract to date has been
the small London-Southend commuter route.
 
The London Euston-based franchise is likely to be in the political and
media spotlight for many years to come. The west coast main line has been
bundled into a super-franchise called the West Coast Partnership, which
also contains the rights to the future operation of the HS2 high-speed
line.
 
The final clearance for the massively over-budget and late-running £88
billion HS2 has yet to be passed by ministers. Trains were originally
supposed to be operational on the initial phase of the route between London
and Birmingham by 2026. Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, has
indicated that may not now happen until 2031.
 
First Group also announced that the director who led its bid to win the
West Coast Partnership, Caroline Donaldson, would be in charge of
overseeing preparations for the operation of trains on HS2. Ms Donaldson
has been at First Group since 2010 and previously worked for Network Rail
and London Underground.
 
“Phil and Caroline bring great experience, insight and drive,” said Steve
Montgomery, managing director of First Group’s rail operations, which also
extend to the other oft-criticised franchises Great Western Railway and the
Transpennine Express.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2019, 17:23:20
They're taking on the whole of the Virgin senior management team....

Not necessarily a bad thing?  After all they're also taking on the same front line staff and trains, etc...

Quote
From theTimes (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/virgin-boss-defects-with-his-team-to-run-west-coast-line-fslbhdqk8?shareToken=84da4f74bf3758b588cdd82f486009a4)
Trenitalia, meanwhile, has limited experience in the UK and no experience
operating fast intercity services. Its only UK contract to date has been
the small London-Southend commuter route.

Not small in passenger numbers though, as they carry more per year than Virgin Trains West Coast do.  ;)


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2019, 18:37:46
No experience operating fast intercity services?

The journo at The Times has obviously never heard of Italy's Frecciabianca, Frecciargento and Frecciarossa high speed services. Translated as White, Silver and Red Arrow respectively, with top speeds ranging from 200km/h (125mph) to 300km/h (186mph).

West Coast's 125mph should be a doddle for Trenitalia.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2019, 20:10:34
The public name for the new West Coast Partnership is Avanti West Coast. Trains will wear a green and white livery with an orange triangle logo.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/27/west-coast-train-services-to-be-rebranded-with-avanti-logo


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 27, 2019, 20:30:24
....and for those that like Logos, please see here http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22506.0


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JayMac on November 27, 2019, 20:31:32
The new website is up and running too (just a front page and countdown at the moment).

https://www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk/

Also an introductory video:



Forward facing and forward thinking they say. Yet the logo is pointing backwards. 🤔


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Celestial on November 27, 2019, 20:49:04
Well that video was a load of marketing puff with no substance whatsoever. 

Though on the website I love the way they mention getting rid of the unpopular Voyager trains, a phrase that I think has also been said by the former government. Assuming they don't get scrapped, it'll be interested to hear the government spin when it gets announced that they are going somewhere else (presumably XC). 


Title: Avanti West Coast
Post by: grahame on November 28, 2019, 09:31:02
From the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/27/west-coast-train-services-to-be-rebranded-with-avanti-logo)

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The trains, the staff and the entire management team may be staying the same, but passengers on intercity west coast mainline services will next month no longer be boarding a Virgin train but riding on a rebranded, “ready and fit for the future”, Avanti.

The name Avanti, according to new operators FirstGroup and Trenitalia, “embodies progress and forward movement”, and is Italian for “forward” and “let’s go”.

Avanti is already a popular company name in the UK, for firms including tax accountants, numerous Italian restaurants, a hazardous waste collection business and a purveyor of urinal floor mats and jumbo toilet rolls.

Avanti West Coast will also have a new logo: an orange triangle. According to the train operators, the triangle was designed by an independent creative team of more than 100 people working in two locations: an old pickle factory in London and a theatre in Amsterdam.

The triangle, First Trenitalia said, symbolised how their train service will bring communities across England, north Wales and Scotland closer together.

The trains will be painted green and white. The tilting Pendolino trains will be refurbished and and older Voyager models phased out from 2022 to be replaced by a new fleet.

First Trenitalia said there would also be 263 more trains a week, as well as new stops along the 400-mile route that takes in major cities including London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Glasgow.

Steve Montgomery, the managing director of FirstGroup’s overall rail division, said the rebranding marked the start of “a new era in high-speed rail services – one that will generate national prosperity and pride”.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: TonyK on November 28, 2019, 12:53:01
Avanti - I pondered hard before remembering where I I had heard the word before. The only reference I can come up with is an advertisement for John Smiths (other beers are available, mostly better) where Peter Kay says it to his mother to hurry her up. This was in the course of moving her to a nursing home (it's for the best) because her moustache frightens the kids, and he wants to put a snooker table in her room.

Cheers!


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: ChrisB on November 28, 2019, 14:42:23
At least they'll have one thing in common with Virgin - condoms!

There used to be a Virgin brand, and there is n Avanti condom too.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0259/3283/products/durex_avanti_bare_600x.jpeg?v=1376955647)


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 28, 2019, 19:10:26
Something a little less rubbery https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studebaker_Avanti.


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: Timmer on November 28, 2019, 20:55:33
Thank you for the detailed specs of the Avanti condom there ChrisB  :D


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: JontyMort on November 29, 2019, 06:50:54
They're taking on the whole of the Virgin senior management team....

From theTimes (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/virgin-boss-defects-with-his-team-to-run-west-coast-line-fslbhdqk8?shareToken=84da4f74bf3758b588cdd82f486009a4)
 
Quote
The boss of Virgin Trains has defected to First Group to run the west coast
main line rail franchise when it takes over operation of the country’s most
lucrative network in 12 days’ time.
 
Phil Whittingham, a stalwart of Virgin Trains since it was handed the west
coast main line at privatisation 23 years ago, is to continue running the
London-Birmingham-Manchester-Glasgow line. Virgin had criticised the
Department for Transport’s decision to ditch it in favour of a First Group
joint venture with Trenitalia, the Italian state railway.
 
Mr Whittingham, 48, Virgin Trains’ managing director since 2013, will lead
a mass migration of his management team to First Group.
 
The appointments prompted bemusement among rival rail industry executives.
“Isn’t this the same Virgin management team that has spent the last two
year’s rubbishing First Group’s bid?” commented one.
 
Virgin Trains, which is a joint venture between the entrepreneur Sir
Richard Branson and Stagecoach, the passenger transport group, is still in
dispute with the DfT over the award of the west coast line.
Virgin/Stagecoach was barred from the bidding competition because of a row
over train workers’ future pension liabilities. Court hearings are due to
take place in the new year.
 
Criticisms of the franchise award to First Group/Trenitalia has come
against the background of the crisis at the heavily lossmaking First Group.
Its operation of South Western Railway has been in chaos and First is
currently fighting activist investors trying to break up the group.
Trenitalia, meanwhile, has limited experience in the UK and no experience
operating fast intercity services. Its only UK contract to date has been
the small London-Southend commuter route.
 
The London Euston-based franchise is likely to be in the political and
media spotlight for many years to come. The west coast main line has been
bundled into a super-franchise called the West Coast Partnership, which
also contains the rights to the future operation of the HS2 high-speed
line.
 
The final clearance for the massively over-budget and late-running £88
billion HS2 has yet to be passed by ministers. Trains were originally
supposed to be operational on the initial phase of the route between London
and Birmingham by 2026. Grant Shapps, the transport secretary, has
indicated that may not now happen until 2031.
 
First Group also announced that the director who led its bid to win the
West Coast Partnership, Caroline Donaldson, would be in charge of
overseeing preparations for the operation of trains on HS2. Ms Donaldson
has been at First Group since 2010 and previously worked for Network Rail
and London Underground.
 
“Phil and Caroline bring great experience, insight and drive,” said Steve
Montgomery, managing director of First Group’s rail operations, which also
extend to the other oft-criticised franchises Great Western Railway and the
Transpennine Express.

Inevitable with TUPE, surely?


Title: Re: First Trenitalia win West Coast Partnership
Post by: chuffed on November 29, 2019, 07:43:10
The appearance of the Virgin condom reminded me of the old joke that went round when Virgin made their first forays into pubic transport.....eg 'would you go with someone who didn't go all the way ?' ;D



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