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The sleeper train is dead - long live the sleeper trains??

From the International Railway Journal (https://www.railjournal.com/passenger/main-line/sbb-and-obb-to-expand-nightjet-services/)


Other threads on the Coffee Shop describe the decimation of sleeper trains in France, and regret the reduction of such trains in the UK where you can no longer catch a sleeper from Newhaven to Perth or from Euston to Holyhead. Problems range from the uneconomic use of sleeper carriages through the "spray" question of where they should actually go ... to the (frankly) unpleasant wait around in Waverly or Central or Euston for the late, late departure after a business meeting ending by 5 p.m.

As I write, the UK's future relationship with the rest of Europe is unclear and any serious speculation as to rebirth of sleeper services from / via England to mainland Europe would be out of tune with stability - but I bring you a couple of graphics and ask "what if" ... and looking not to 2020 but to 2030 or 2040.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/mcr_zur.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/fgh_co.jpg)

Did we miss the earlier news from Austria, that ÖBB had bought most of DB's sleeper coaches en route to the scrapyard and restarted a lot of services, including German ones?

What struck me was that they appear to be aiming at lowering the cost, to build custom, rather than raising it to a premium level which seems to be Caledonian's strategy.

If there is a new 'decarboniser' market to be addressed, based on avoiding flying as far as possible, how does/will that split between low and high cost/service?

We quite likely did miss that.  As a forum looking at the GWR area in the UK, sleeper trains on mainland Europe tend to be out of general scope for most of our members.  But there are some interesting changes to observe, think about, learn from.


That would be very interesting to learn.   And the balance of how big this market is at the various possible levels of inconvenience and expense in switching.

From https://www.politico.eu/article/night-trains-set-for-return-to-brussels/

That would be very interesting to learn.   And the balance of how big this market is at the various possible levels of inconvenience and expense in switching.
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Travelling a reasonable amount for work, I've often thought that there was a gap in the market for sleeper services to replace flight/hotel combinations for business travellers, particularly if they can be one-way, with a return via a HS day-train, or simply a leg to another business centre. It probably needs to be point-to-point to avoid having to get up at silly o'clock, but I would imagine that there are probably be a big enough market for a Munich to Brussels or Milan to Paris overnight service to be economical, particularly if you added in more basic services and couchettes. In terms of brands - Ibis Pullman (business), Ibis (standard), Ibis Budget (discount), Ouigo/Ryanair (super-budget)

 

A review of the new Nightjet offering between Hamburg and Vienna:

https://www.cntraveller.com/article/we-travelled-on-europes-new-sleeper-train-heres-what-we-think?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb

The new pod style sleeping accommodation is an excellent innovation. No more need for single travellers who like a bit of privacy when sleeping to fork out for a traditional berth. Versus the lottery of who you'll end up sharing a couchette with.

We got back from our Interrail trip late on Monday (and I will post separately about that when I have time), but one of the things we had decided we wanted to do was experience a European sleeper service. Neither of us had been on a sleeper before apart from in the UK (once before for me, about 50 years ago, from Bristol up to Glasgow when these existed, and my only memory is being bounced around and hearing every station being announced as far as Preston).

We decided to travel from Zurich to Prague, on one of OBB's Nightjet services. Two separate services make this journey, one via Austria and the other via Germany. I wanted to do the former, but had problems making the booking with the Interrail pass, and we ended up booking on the latter, which travels up the western side of Germany and then crosses to Leipzig and Dresden and turns south to Prague. It wasn't a modern train, but I was impressed with the ingenious design of the 2 person berth we had booked, and enjoyed the whole journey, getting a reasonable night's sleep, even with the weird feeling you had from the tilting train effect - it felt like you would slide down the bunk and out of the train at times!).

The only main issue was that the service lost about 100 minutes overnight (no reason was ever stated for this), and lost further time later on, so didn't get into Prague until 11.30 the next morning (scheduled time was 09.24). Apart from that, would thoroughly recommend it and we will certainly make more use of the Nightjet services when we go again - I was generally very impressed with OBB (the Austrian railway company). We did have an issue with our Interrail pass on this journey, which I will include in a post more generally about these.