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Title: Sheffield station info required
Post by: infoman on September 16, 2019, 06:38:56 am
I think I am right in saying that Sheffield is the largest station that does not have ticket gates.

What do you think would be the cost of putting in a avoiding bridge to gain access to the tram stop?

and not needing to go through the station.

I don't think an underpass is an option.



Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: RichardB on September 16, 2019, 08:08:08 am
I'd say York is bigger - but, yes, both big stations without gates.

A new bridge over the station to the tram stop would cost many millions, never mind the disruption to the train service while it went in.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 16, 2019, 08:27:04 am
A new bridge would require disabled access so would run into many millions


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: bignosemac on September 16, 2019, 12:23:40 pm
The former operator of the station, East Midlands Trains, wanted to install barriers a decade ago. Their plans were refused by Sheffield City Council.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: infoman on September 20, 2019, 08:34:03 am
Just seen the Northern Power house MP has awarded 2 million pounds to improve facilities around the port area of Lydney.

Think if that money could be for the construction of a footbridge to the tram stop at sheffield.

Ticket gates could then be installed and it wouldn't take long to recoup that 2 million pounds.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: johnneyw on September 20, 2019, 12:13:58 pm
Just seen the Northern Power house MP has awarded 2 million pounds to improve facilities around the port area of Lydney.

Think if that money could be for the construction of a footbridge to the tram stop at sheffield.

Ticket gates could then be installed and it wouldn't take long to recoup that 2 million pounds.

Have you a link for that? I'd be interested to see what they plan to do there.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: infoman on September 20, 2019, 12:54:32 pm
If you watch BBC1 points west local news at 13:30pm, this friday afternoon,it should be on there again.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: infoman on September 26, 2019, 08:02:10 am
Spoke to a guy who use's his boat on the Bristol Channel,he said he wouldn't go any where Lydney as the waters are too  treacherous.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: bignosemac on September 26, 2019, 09:16:14 am
I'm sorry, but I'm totally lost by your point, Infoman.

What has Lydney Harbour getting Communities Coastal Fund money got to do with Sheffield Station getting, or not getting, another footbridge?


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: Celestial on September 26, 2019, 11:06:30 am
The whole topic of gating Sheffield station seems rather out of area as well.  I know we do cover the wider picture and Cross Country services, but it feels a particularly local topic to that area given the reasons why it hasn't happened, which doesn't seem to have much relevance to us. 


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: grahame on September 26, 2019, 12:33:13 pm
I don't think there's any question of 2 million pounds being moved from one project (a gateline and / or another bridge at Sheffield) to dredging at Lydney, at the expense of Sheffield ... so really no correlation.  They may come under the same minister at the DfT (I would need to check my facts) but that's about it.

This board is labelled "Cross Country SERVICES".  They are an oddball franchise as they don't look after any passenger stations at all ... and I do think it's fair game within this board to talk of the facilities at the various stations where the have what I will describe as "squatter's rights", especially where those stations have through services they operate to / from GWR land.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: infoman on September 27, 2019, 04:39:28 am
The reason I mentioned about Lydney docks/port,
was the minister for the northern power house as well as rural affairs stated this award of money to Lydney would improve things for Lydney port/docks.
The guy I was talking about who use's his boat on the Bristol Channel,says he would not go any where near Lydney area due to the waters being too  treacherous.
I have this awful thought that the 2 million pounds will be spent on the docks area and no one will benifit.
Now if 2 million pounds was spent on Sheffield station to install ticket gates,along with the bridge that would be something different.
Just think how much money would be re-couped considering that large towns like Barnsley Chesterfield Rotherham and Doncaster don't have ticket gates
not to mention Meadowhall.
Might make a visit to Lydney docks to see how many leisure boats are actually moored there.



Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: Celestial on September 27, 2019, 09:43:45 am
Northern Powerhouse and Rural Affairs are separate, so it seems a bit absurd to suggest that nothing can be spent on Rural Affairs if there's a better use for the money in Northern Powerhouse, simply because the same minister is involved.

Though I agree with you that I am sceptical as to the value of trying to encourage Lydney port for the reason you give.


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: ellendune on September 27, 2019, 01:49:07 pm
Might make a visit to Lydney docks to see how many leisure boats are actually moored there.

It was quite full of them last time I was there


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: Noggin on September 27, 2019, 10:09:16 pm
I think I am right in saying that Sheffield is the largest station that does not have ticket gates.

What do you think would be the cost of putting in a avoiding bridge to gain access to the tram stop?

and not needing to go through the station.

I don't think an underpass is an option.

Don't know about largest/busiest station but it's big and indeed it does not have ticket gates.

The bridge is indeed a thoroughfare between the city, the tram stop and the area beyond and yes, the city counccil refused the gating. The bridge is too narrow for a solution like there used to be at Reading, with the bridge split in half.

I'd presume that Northern try to deal with this by having lots of ticket people at busy times, though I can't remember ever having been stopped, and indeed, there is probably a fairly high level of fare dodging.

Don't forget that Sheffield station is planned to have a fairly heavy rebuild as part of HS2/NPR, with plans under development at the moment. I suspect that will resolve the footbridge issue
 


Title: Re: Sheffield station info required
Post by: infoman on September 28, 2019, 06:19:46 am
Sorry its not rural affairs,am I forgiven?

Jake Berry MP Minister of State for the Northern Powerhouse and Local Growth.

Sheffield station has nearly ten million passengers per year.

I have never seen a barrier check conducted at Sheffield station.

At least  Northern protects its revenue at Preston station

and Virgin protects its revenue on its early morning monday to friday trains from Preston.



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