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All across the Great Western territory => The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom => Topic started by: SandTEngineer on October 21, 2019, 14:47:31



Title: New Londonderry Station
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 21, 2019, 14:47:31
Opened today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-50122093

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Londonderry's new £27m railway station has opened to the public.

The regional transport hub is located on the site of the city's former Victorian railway station.

The listed building closed in 1980 but was chosen as the site for the new station following a public consultation.

Translink say the hub creates a 21st Century transport centre which it is hoped will encourage commuters to shift to public transport.

The hub will improve co-ordination between rail and local and cross-border bus services and provide a greenway link to the city centre via the Peace Bridge, Translink added.

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Title: Re: New Londonderry Station
Post by: CyclingSid on October 22, 2019, 07:14:37
Impressive, but how does the existing passenger usage (Belfast to Derry/Londonderry) compare with some of our lines, which wouldn't get the same amount of money.


Title: Re: New Londonderry Station
Post by: grahame on October 22, 2019, 08:32:23
Impressive, but how does the existing passenger usage (Belfast to Derry/Londonderry) compare with some of our lines, which wouldn't get the same amount of money.

I don't think that you can base investment purely on existing passenger usage.  It's certainly a factor, but only that.  My understanding is that the line into (London)Derry got reduced to the thinnest possible rail link quite some time back but that service (and presumably) passenger numbers are on the up.  Earlier this month, the whole section from Colraine into Derry was bustituted while the line was upgraded;  all this work and expenditure based on planned leaps in passenger numbers which, if it's all joined up, will come.

The work we did in Melksham at the start of this decade, which has lead to the the dramatic rise in use of the line, was not purely based on existing passenger numbers. Industry models taking the old average of 1 person off and 1 person on to each train -  8 passengers a day, 4 trains , and scaling it, made even the funding of the trial service look to be an absurd waste.   For sure, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and London and the South East all - each for their own reason - tend to get heavier investment but I think it's probably right to be upgrading the main line and stations from Belfast.   Perhaps we should inspire our Sub National Transport bodies to follow the leads of these areas?



Title: Re: New Londonderry Station
Post by: onthecushions on October 22, 2019, 11:29:13

There's a FOI document giving NIR usage.

L/Derry (sic) comes 16th in 54 stations in 17/18 with a customer footfall of 449 661.

Its urban population is given as 93 512.

I imagine that little of the cost was railway related.

OTC



Title: Re: New Londonderry Station
Post by: didcotdean on October 22, 2019, 17:27:42
The rail journey to Belfast takes a bit longer than the coach at present, although both are ultimately under Translink and charge the same basic fare.


Title: Re: New Londonderry Station
Post by: CyclingSid on October 23, 2019, 07:16:09
OTC, the FoI figures are interesting. Given the Irish governments contribution to the project you wonder how many of that c. half million are from Donegal. Might be interesting after you know what.


Title: Re: New Londonderry Station
Post by: onthecushions on October 23, 2019, 10:33:22

Especially if one considers the present rail offering of 62 miles in 117 minutes (to Central) with 9 stops. There's probably not the stock for some extra, fast workings.

OTC




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