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Title: Use of the English language
Post by: PhilWakely on October 24, 2019, 21:04:46
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1izY3mLXr3bESHKTiSUljYBlPd5YssGCq)
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OK, so I failed English Language O'Level three times before finally passing it, but should this not read "Station FOR the Glastonbury Festival"
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Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: JontyMort on October 24, 2019, 21:11:24
(https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1izY3mLXr3bESHKTiSUljYBlPd5YssGCq)
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OK, so I failed English Language O'Level three times before finally passing it, but should this not read "Station FOR the Glastonbury Festival"
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Surely, in GWR-speak, it would be Glastonbury Road?


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 24, 2019, 22:57:54
Station of the Glastonbury Festival suggests sponsorship. Something along the lines of "Hula Hoops are the official snack of the England cricket team," though in this case I'm not sure if it's a case of "GWR is the official railway of Glastonbury Festival" or "Glastonbury is the official festival of GWR". Okay, in reality it's more likely to be Glastonbury Festival organisers paying for some colourful signs (and in the case of this photo, a rainbow!) and maybe some hanging baskets or maybe more appropriately boot scrapers.

(And just to be really pedantic:
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<pedant alert>
OK, so I failed English Language O'Level three times before finally passing it, but should this not read "Station FOR the Glastonbury Festival"
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Is O'Level an Irishman from Somerset? Maybe U2 or the Waterboys playing at Glastonbury!  ;) )


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 24, 2019, 22:58:34
Perhaps we should ask the Department of Transport... or the Department for Transport, as it is now...


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: grahame on October 24, 2019, 23:56:47
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/rftws_01.jpg)

Now ... me thinks that an "Overbridge to Bath and Bristol" is going to be a very long bridge from Trowbridge.  Perhaps proper English should be "Over the bridge for trains to Bath Spa and Bristol"


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: TonyK on October 25, 2019, 12:07:39
More correct still, possibly almost within Rees-Mogg bounds, could be "A bridge over the railway tracks to access the platform for trains towards Bristol and Bath". But I think signmakers charge by the word.


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: paul7575 on October 25, 2019, 14:20:06
A Trowbridge too far?  ???

Paul


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 25, 2019, 14:43:47
In signage, good English (other languages are available) is that which quickly, clearly and concisely conveys an unambiguous meaning.

Some readers may lament it, but 'Train Station' can only mean one thing. Similarly the meaning of 'There will be less trains on Monday due to engineering work' is crystal-clear, though grammar Nazis will wince and insist that it should be 'fewer'.

Words are living things. Journeys no longer have to take a day, butt-dialling is a thing, and friend is a verb...

...and 'Cross bridge for trains to Bristol and Bath' would have been more clear.



Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: PhilWakely on October 25, 2019, 15:01:40
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Some readers may lament it, but 'Train Station' can only mean one thing......

How do you train a station?  To do what?

In the same vein............. 'Time flies'

..... like an arrow;
..... with a stopwatch;
..... do not eat herbs.

etc, etc


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 25, 2019, 15:53:19
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Some readers may lament it, but 'Train Station' can only mean one thing......

How do you train a station?  To do what?

In the same vein............. 'Time flies'

..... like an arrow;
..... with a stopwatch;
..... do not eat hverbs.

etc, etc
FTFY  :D


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 25, 2019, 15:54:28
Happy days.

Anyone remember 'Daktari', starring Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion? Imagine how we chortled at school, when they asked us to sing a song about Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear.



Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: TonyK on October 25, 2019, 16:11:29
Happy days.

Anyone remember 'Daktari', starring Clarence the Cross-Eyed Lion? Imagine how we chortled at school, when they asked us to sing a song about Gladly the Cross-Eyed Bear.



Slightly more modernly, I struggled with the Moody Blues smash hit "Question", until many years later I read the lyrics, and found they were singing about "the secrets of our souls".


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: chuffed on October 25, 2019, 16:18:01
In my teaching days as a junior school teacher who played the piano, I took hymn practice on a Thursday morning. The last one of term was always 'requests'....and I always remember one little girl who asked for 'Lord of the damn settee....!. I think she was referring to her older brother who always wanted to be on the sofa with his x box....... ;D


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: didcotdean on October 25, 2019, 16:49:07
The use of the American alphabet song confuses some young children over "ellemnopee" not taking it in as five separate letters.


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: patch38 on October 25, 2019, 17:12:19
Slightly more modernly, I struggled with the Moody Blues smash hit "Question", until many years later I read the lyrics, and found they were singing about "the secrets of our souls".

Oh, deep joy: we are straying back to the Misheard Lyrics feature on Noel Edmonds' Radio 1 Breakfast Show in the 1970s. A random selection that remain lodged in the dark recesses of my mind include:

Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody - "Spare him his life from his pork sausage tea" and, of course, "Beelzebub has a devil for a sideboard".

Kenny Rogers - Lucille - "Four hundred children and a cr*p in the field".

Gene Cotton - Me and the Elephant - "We went down to the city zoo, just to kill an owl or two".

Carpenters - "The best love songs are written with a broken arm".

And so many more that are now legendary...


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: johnneyw on October 25, 2019, 18:00:31
There was also apparently some consternation in a music shop caused by the pronunciation of the Hungarian  composer Zoltan Kodaly's surname (it's pronounced without the "l".... more like "Kodai").

Evidently there was some frantic searching around the stockroom when a customer requested a popular L.P. of the time called "Could I but express in song?" but the shop assistant went off to search desperately for Kodaly's Buttock Pressing Song.


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: JayMac on October 25, 2019, 18:51:57
The Police - So Lonely - "Sue Lawley, Sue Lawley, Sue Lawley..."
Sister Sledge - We Are Family - "Just let me staple the vicar."
Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams - "Sweet dreams are made of cheese, who am I to diss a Brie?"
Elton John - Tiny Dancer - "Hold me closer, Tony Danza."
Chic - Le Freak - "Ahh free cow. Le Freak say sheep."


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: TonyK on October 25, 2019, 20:08:14
"Excuse me, while I kiss this guy" - James Marshall Hendrix, Purple Haze


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 25, 2019, 20:19:24
The linguist's term for misheard lyrics is mondegreens.  (https://www.ucl.ac.uk/pals/research/linguistics/linguistics-research/laboratory-language-and-speech-diversions/llsd-public)
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"Prone to mondegreens? It might not be your fault. Andrew Nevins, PhD, a professor of linguistics at Britain’s University College London tells Yahoo Health that some sounds are just more easily confused than others.

Consonants are typically more confused than vowels, he says, and unstressed syllables are more easily confused than stressed syllables. Nouns are also confused more often than verbs. So, when you have a line like “got a long list of ex-lovers,” which contains two nouns out of six words and three words that start with consonants, it leaves a lot open for misinterpretation."

Gotta say though the only ones I recognize above are Bohemian Rhapsody, Sweet Dreams and of course Purple Haze. The last one even makes sense, almost, in context.


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: chuffed on October 25, 2019, 20:23:38
Canadian National Anthem

O Canada, we stand on cars and freeze....instead of we stand on guard for thee....

And from Louis Armstrong 'the bright blessed day and the dog said goodnight' from what a wonderful world......
 .....and didn't Ol' Blue eyes sing about the 'girl from Empheysema.....'

 The story behind the origin of mondegreens is interesting in itself, but this thread is in danger of going completely off topic! ;D


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: TonyK on October 25, 2019, 21:26:53
Oh yes, the topic...


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 26, 2019, 12:26:20
...a hazelnut in every post!


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 26, 2019, 13:02:05
What's got a hazelnut in every bite? Squirrel poo!


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: grahame on October 26, 2019, 13:23:25
"Give us this day our daily bread cancellation"

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13:32 Westbury to Swindon due 14:22
14:36 Swindon to Westbury due 15:20

14:36 Swindon to Westbury due 15:20 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: CyclingSid on October 27, 2019, 08:34:35
As we are getting towards the season of goodwill:

Land of soap and water

Three shepherds washed their socks, etc.


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: PhilWakely on October 27, 2019, 08:39:36
As we are getting towards the season of goodwill:

Land of soap and water

Three shepherds washed their socks, etc.

Or, as we were taught ............ 'Land of soaps and Tories'


Title: Re: Use of the English language
Post by: TonyK on October 28, 2019, 21:54:01
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OK, so I failed English Language O'Level three times before finally passing it, but should this not read "Station FOR the Glastonbury Festival"
</pedant alert>

We should also not ignore the correct use of capital letters, so wantonly disregarded in this modern age of self-identified grammar. After all, they are the only thing between helping your Uncle Jack off a camel, and helping your uncle jack off a camel.



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