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Title: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on November 07, 2019, 13:40:58 From Office of Rail and Road (https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/publication-dates-for-statistics/)
Quote Publication dates for statistics This timetable lists the publication dates for all of ORR's Official Statistics. These include annual and quarterly statistical releases, factsheets and data tables. These dates are determined by availability of the data and are the earliest possible dates which we can publish the information.We publish all our statistics at the standard time of 9.30am. Quote January 2020 Official Statistics Estimates of Station Usage Annual (2018-19) 14/01/2020 That's a month later than the usual early December ... "December but date to be confirmed" was what the page said last time I looked. Are the figures taking even longer to correlate this year, or can they not be released during an election campaign or when there's n parliament to sign off or discuss them? Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: CyclingSid on November 08, 2019, 07:04:40 It is probably due to "Purdah" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-guidance-for-civil-servants (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-guidance-for-civil-servants). No change for 2019 General Election, according NHS Providers https://nhsproviders.org/media/688709/nhs-providers-pre-election-period-briefing-general-election-2019.pdf (https://nhsproviders.org/media/688709/nhs-providers-pre-election-period-briefing-general-election-2019.pdf).
And probably more than that I shouldn't say. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: stuving on November 08, 2019, 08:42:57 It is probably due to "Purdah" https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-guidance-for-civil-servants (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-guidance-for-civil-servants). What that advice says is: Quote 5. Regular pre-announced statistical releases (e.g. press notices, bulletins, publications or electronic releases) will continue to be issued and published. Any other ad hoc statistical releases should be released only in exceptional circumstances and with the approval of the National Statistician, consulting with the Propriety and Ethics Team in the Cabinet Office where appropriate. Where a pre-announcement has specified that the information would be released during a specified period (e.g. a week, or longer time period), but did not specify a precise day, releases should not be published within the election period. That's muddled, but suggests that anything regular like these annual passenger number should be released as usual. Unless - is there any reason to think they could be contentious between parties? The second bit about ad-hoc statistics is rather odd - why should a prior promise for release specifying a day be so different from one for week? Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on November 08, 2019, 09:29:04 I wrote to ask -
Quote For any further information, please contact the statistics Head of Profession, Lyndsey Melbourne at rail.stats@orr.gov.uk or on 0207 282 3978. but it seems that the mailbox isn't really that person, but rather a central mailbox: Quote Thank you for your e-mail, we will respond to your query within 10 working days. Please note: This inbox is monitored intermittently throughout standard working hours. For urgent media enquires or other non-statistics related enquiries see contact details at: http://orr.gov.uk/contact-us. etc One day gone ... up to 9 to go. Will let members know of any response I get, and make a diary note for 21st to perhaps follow up if I have not heard. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on November 14, 2019, 13:11:19 It is probably due to "Purdah" .... And probably more than that I shouldn't say. I dropped the ORR a line to ask ... (and telling them how much I look forward to the figures and making use of them). Turns out no to be purdah after all - nice reply this morning. Quote We strive to publish our statistics at the earliest possible dates. When firming up these dates for publication we need to consider the availability of underlying data and allow sufficient time to quality assure the statistics. Up until recently we planned to publish the 2018-19 station usage estimates in December, as we have done so in recent years. However, after reviewing progress to date in collating and quality assuring the underlying dataset, and determining what further work is needed, we have set a publication date of 14 January 2020. I appreciate this is disappointing for you and others who value these statistics and eagerly await their publication. Thank you for your interest and the positive feedback on our estimates of station usage. Whist these are our most popular statistics (in terms of ‘web hits’ at least) and we do receive a lot of interest in our estimates, any feedback on any of our statistics publications is always very welcome. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: Western Pathfinder on January 14, 2020, 10:19:54 The figures have been released,looks like a small drop in passenger numbers at Pilning ,however these are only estimates,and don't take into account Rover tickets even when issued at Pilning.
https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1668/estimates-of-station-usage-2018-19-key-facts.pdf Edit to add the above link. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: Bob_Blakey on January 14, 2020, 11:01:27 Digby & Sowton entries & exits have (apparently) gone up from 630,560 (17/18) to 666,324 (18/19), an increase of 35,764 or 5.67%.
I wonder what the real metrics would be if proper usage measurement was implemented. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: lympstone_commuter on January 14, 2020, 12:11:42 I have updated my maps based on the ORR daya to include the 2019 figures, and trends for the full period 1998 - 2019, and the 5-year period 2015 - 2019:
http://empslocal.ex.ac.uk/people/staff/tej202/stations.htm (http://empslocal.ex.ac.uk/people/staff/tej202/stations.htm) Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 14, 2020, 12:43:24 I have just got the data too (been out at a station briefing) and of course (!) taken a look at Melksham, where the figures are more or less as I guessed they would be. Reports, etc, to follow.
EDIT to add - my base data now at http://www.wellho.net/data/rstats2019.csv Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 14, 2020, 15:56:52 I have just got the data too (been out at a station briefing) and of course (!) taken a look at Melksham, where the figures are more or less as I guessed they would be. Reports, etc, to follow. EDIT to add - my base data now at http://www.wellho.net/data/rstats2019.csv And data now in our station comparator and graphs such as (http://www.wellho.net/demo/railtrends.php?place=BA&baseyear=2010) (http://www.wellho.net/demo/railtrends.php?place=GL&baseyear=2010) (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/smr/index.html) Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: 0lg4 on January 14, 2020, 19:20:56 The figures have been released,looks like a small drop in passenger numbers at Pilning ,however these are only estimates,and don't take into account Rover tickets even when issued at Pilning. https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1668/estimates-of-station-usage-2018-19-key-facts.pdf Edit to add the above link. Here is the latest press release from Pilning Station Group concerning 2018-19 station usage numbers https://drive.google.com/open?id=108GJDN7-VS9EG71XqLYj3JuoiVg5Fmjm Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: RailCornwall on January 14, 2020, 19:40:31 Have a look in Plymouth and Cornwall for a quick analysis of the Far West figures.
Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 14, 2020, 21:29:14 The figures have been released,looks like a small drop in passenger numbers at Pilning ,however these are only estimates,and don't take into account Rover tickets even when issued at Pilning. https://dataportal.orr.gov.uk/media/1668/estimates-of-station-usage-2018-19-key-facts.pdf Edit to add the above link. Here is the latest press release from Pilning Station Group concerning 2018-19 station usage numbers https://drive.google.com/open?id=108GJDN7-VS9EG71XqLYj3JuoiVg5Fmjm Many thanks for sharing that. Good see your hard work maintaining the numbers and the visibility of Pilning station. It remains a resource waiting to be reborn. I read of the lowest living costs (mortgage + fares) actually being in Newport for the Bristol area, I look at all the employment at Aztec West and near to Piining, and I see all (?) of the 165 and 166 turbos advertising The Wave nearest station - err - Pilning and I shake my head in disbelief. TV this evening, James Freeman, MD of First Bus Bristol and Bath showing how shockingly inadequate the MetroBus is for his passengers in the peaks due to traffic conditions on the road, and Tim Bowles admitting he's part of the problem as he's stuck in the same jam (sound like he's using his car, presumably because the public transport doesn't work for him). He states that Metrobus is a success because of the very high numbers of people using it (stuck on it?) but perhaps that's because those people are not offered any alternative. Perhaps I've changed my mind on SEWWEB. Don't want a service every 30 minute with hourly call at smaller stations. Want a service every 20 minutes calling at all stations. Truley a metro service; 6 an hour from Parkway to Newport, with an express from London 3 minutes before the metro. Spine service - at "turn up and go" fast, electric (please, even through the tunnel) and welcoming - then you can start rebalancing the modes of transport people use to something more like the London, Manchester or Newcastle model. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: johnneyw on January 14, 2020, 22:41:40 Perhaps I've changed my mind on SEWWEB. Don't want a service every 30 minute with hourly call at smaller stations. Want a service every 20 minutes calling at all stations. Truley a metro service; 6 an hour from Parkway to Newport, with an express from London 3 minutes before the metro. Spine service - at "turn up and go" fast, electric (please, even through the tunnel) and welcoming - then you can start rebalancing the modes of transport people use to something more like the London, Manchester or Newcastle model. Perhaps an amalgamation of SEEWEB and Metrowest is where their futures works best. The overlaps geographically and economically are significant here. Edit to correct spelling. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 15, 2020, 06:03:23 Perhaps an amalgamation of SEEWEB and Metrowest is where their futures works best. The overlaps geographically and economically are significant here. They should be very closely linked indeed - of course. All part of the same solution? Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 15, 2020, 06:52:43 Across GWR territory - stations run by GWR, plus Network Rail Stations where GWR "major"
Columns - rank, 2017/18 numbers, 2018/19 numbers, growth over the year, station code, station name By passenger numbers: Code: 1: 36578290 38181588 1.044 PAD London Paddington And ranked by growth: Code: 1: 186 446 2.398 CPN Chapelton (Devon) Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 15, 2020, 07:07:30 Results in batches of 20 ... 20 most used through to 20 least used of all 200 stations in above posts
Code: from 1: 125090312 127312984 1.0178 What little growth there has been is at larger stations. Smaller stations to all intents and purposes unchanged. Overall result - 1.23% growth in the year: all 200: 165506452 167549062 1.0123 Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: Red Squirrel on January 16, 2020, 10:52:59 FoSBR's take on the ORR Stats:
https://fosbr.org.uk/rail-passenger-numbers-a-mixed-picture/ Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: eightonedee on January 16, 2020, 19:19:28 To get a full picture of how busy a station is you also need to add the numbers changing train at a station. Reading's 4 million odd passengers changing trains means there's an even bigger gap between it and number 3
The top ten also shows how appallingly inadequate Oxford is for the number of passengers it handles. 8 million through two and two half platforms ! Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: ray951 on January 16, 2020, 21:11:00 The top ten also shows how appallingly inadequate Oxford is for the number of passengers it handles. 8 million thr through two and a half platforms ! Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: eightonedee on January 16, 2020, 22:16:33 Fair comment, two and two half platforms !
Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: IndustryInsider on January 17, 2020, 10:43:44 The top ten also shows how appallingly inadequate Oxford is for the number of passengers it handles. 8 million thr through two and a half platforms ! Same goes for Bath. Well over 6 million and just two platforms and one narrow subway and a small concourse. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: grahame on January 17, 2020, 11:16:24 Same goes for Bath. Well over 6 million and just two platforms and one narrow subway and a small concourse. Mind you, the platforms at Bath were widened as part of the "Great Western Electrification" so that the overhead catenary stuff and pantographs won't interfere with the historic / being kept platform canopy. Last night, BaNES council voted to go ahead with their "Clean Air Zone" which will affect buses, taxis and HGVs, but not private cars. I don't think they have the authority (or the means) to charge trains running on Diesel engines, do they? Bath Clean Air Zone is probably a subject for another thread. And in the meantime, look at the passenger numbers at Windsor and Eton Central - not doing too badly for a single 2 or 3 carriage train / platform. I recall a comment that at one time it was the highest passenger count per metre of platform anywhere on the GWR network - has anybody got active platform length data? Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: IndustryInsider on January 24, 2020, 19:27:04 Interesting to see what level of increase the 'Sparks Effect' has had on the local stations now served predominantly by electric trains, and the extra attraction of them:
Cholsey 290000 Up 6.7% Goring 433000 Up 7.2% Pangbourne 488000 Up 2.6% Tilehurst 593000 Up 7.9% Taplow 312000 Up 11% Burnham 1397000 Up 10.8% Langley 866000 Up 6.2% Iver 259000 Up 13.8% West Drayton 2197000 Up 7.4% Hayes & Harlington 4204000 Up 10.5% Southall 3122000 Up 17.5% Hanwell 389000 Up 1.4% West Ealing 1078000 Up 4.2% Ealing Broadway 6555000 Up 6.3% Acton Main Line 311000 Up 18% So, all stations rising, most of them very healthily and well above the national average, which was 3%, with only Hanwell and (surprisingly) Pangbourne beneath that. Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: eightonedee on January 25, 2020, 13:17:21 The figures for Tilehurst to Cholsey are all the more remarkable because I know a number of people who travel less to Oxford due to the fractured nature of the service resulting from curtailing electrification (and therefore the reduced volume of through trains).
Title: Re: Estimates of Station Usage, 2018-2019 - publication date 14.1.2020 Post by: IndustryInsider on January 25, 2020, 13:37:33 The figures for Tilehurst to Cholsey are all the more remarkable because I know a number of people who travel less to Oxford due to the fractured nature of the service resulting from curtailing electrification (and therefore the reduced volume of through trains). Yes, and it would be easy to take that anecdotal evidence as basis for a 'not so many people use the train now' approach. The figure for all four stations will also be lower that it actually is, with no barriers and precious few ticket checks meaning a number of free journeys on top of the paid for ones. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |