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Title: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2019, 07:16:55 am
December has snuck up on us this year ... suddenly we're into the month of Christmas.  Looking though the bottom of my drawer (which appears to have some sort of wire leading out of it to a world of photos) I have come across some images which I think I can place ... but can you help me?   I will post one per day, starting with this:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_01.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 01, 2019, 08:57:25 am
Calne station in sunny Wiltshire.....
(Its the rare bracket starting signal that gave it away for me).


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 01, 2019, 09:19:58 am
Agreed.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2019, 01:14:18 pm
Calne station in sunny Wiltshire.....
(Its the rare bracket starting signal that gave it away for me).

It is indeed Calne ... and why am I not surprised that you identified it from a rare signal!


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 02, 2019, 04:52:49 am
And where is this?

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_02.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 02, 2019, 05:50:39 am
Weston-super-Mare perhaps


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: CyclingSid on December 02, 2019, 07:11:54 am
Salisbury??

The connection with curved platforms and the report on the accident where the driver did not comply with the speed limit and ran down the platform at Salisbury


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 02, 2019, 07:23:27 am
Neither Salisbury nor Weston-super-mare, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: PhilWakely on December 02, 2019, 08:05:44 am
Gloucester Eastgate?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Reginald25 on December 02, 2019, 10:26:54 am
Mangotsfield?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bradshaw on December 02, 2019, 12:17:35 pm
Portland, Dorset; second station opened in connection with the line to Easton in 1902


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 02, 2019, 01:26:29 pm
Portland, Dorset; second station opened in connection with the line to Easton in 1902

Yes, correct .. the original terminal was straight ahead but when extended to Easton it did a sharp left and then got into some spectacular engineering.   Rather the same was as the LSWR (or whatever it was called at that time) did as it came to Dorchester.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bradshaw on December 02, 2019, 02:11:32 pm
The Southampton and Dorchester was the original name. It ran that way as the promotor, Castlemain, intended it to run on to Exeter. The LSWR with an interest in the central route would not play ball.
The curve towards Weymouth opened with the WS&WR in 1857.
At one point Castlemain decided to ally himself with the GWR but an agreement between them and L&SWR returned it to the latter’s fold.
I spent some time researching the WS&WR and there are some interesting stories to be told.

It is also worth spending time looking at the railways in Portland, especially the mineral ones.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 02, 2019, 07:57:44 pm
I got some 8mm cine film of a steamer shunting at Easton and then the descent down the incline with huge blocks of Portland stone. If ever I get round to it I'll have it digitised and post it on YouTube along with other clips of railway interest.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2019, 04:05:59 am
On the third day of advent my photographer brought to me this colourised postcard ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_03.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 03, 2019, 07:57:25 am
Yatton



Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 03, 2019, 08:00:04 am
Yatton ?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 03, 2019, 08:03:51 am
Yatton ?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2019, 08:07:21 am
Yatton

Yatton ?

Yatton ?

Yes, yes, YES  ;D

Astounding to see what looks like a major line off towards Clevedon (one that should never have been lost, but will never come back?) and love the pointwork. Interesting to see all the staff on these old photos putting "being in the picture" ahead of safety ...


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2019, 08:41:27 am
I spent some time researching the WS&WR and there are some interesting stories to be told.

Noticably missing from the bookshelves (and also from the back catalogues) is volume on the WS&WR - and I'm making that comment with regard to the section north of Westbury up to the original GWR main line from London to Bristol.   When I retire (ha, ha - writing from a train near Carmyle on my way to IT work) I'll have to tap a few resources and put pen to paper - or is it finger to keyboard these days. Are you game to help?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 03, 2019, 09:42:27 am
Yatton

Yatton ?

Yatton ?

Yes, yes, YES  ;D

Astounding to see what looks like a major line off towards Clevedon (one that should never have been lost, but will never come back?) and love the pointwork. Interesting to see all the staff on these old photos putting "being in the picture" ahead of safety ...
Wow! So... busy! The line towards Clevedon is the one branching off to the left? And the tracks on the right lead to the Strawberry Line? And the area that is now drop off in front of the station was once all tracks...


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bradshaw on December 03, 2019, 10:04:31 am
Grahame
The text has been ready for many years. I did offer it to a couple of publishers but was declined. One reason was I stopped after the system grew to its maximum size and secondly I focussed on researching the Hemp and Flax industries of West Dorset and South Somerset, which has occupied the last two decades!
If you would like to have a look at the text I am happy to send you a copy by email. I managed to find a whole stock of original letters regarding the promotion of the line.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 03, 2019, 10:26:00 am
Astounding to see what looks like a major line off towards Clevedon (one that should never have been lost, but will never come back?)...

Quite so.

It's interesting to compare Clevedon with Penarth; both are genteel Victorian seaside towns of around 20,000 people; both are on the Bristol channel and have attractive piers, and both are a short distance from a large city. But whilst Clevedon folk have to rely on an hourly, hour long bus ride to get to their local city centre, Penarth folk can do it in 12 mins on their quarter-hourly train service. To be fair Clevedon to Bristol is about three times the distance, but I think it is fair to assume that a train could make the journey in about 30 minutes.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: johnneyw on December 03, 2019, 12:15:02 pm
Is the gabled building with chimneys to the left of the station the Firebox pub (or whatever it's called now)? I've had a much needed pre train pint there a few years back after a walk along the Strawberry Line to Winscombe and back one sunny September day. I picked up a container of cider from the Thatcher's shop in Sandford on the way back which started to feel a bit heavy in my rucksack by the time I was half way back.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: johnneyw on December 03, 2019, 12:33:56 pm
Astounding to see what looks like a major line off towards Clevedon (one that should never have been lost, but will never come back?)...

Quite so.

It's interesting to compare Clevedon with Penarth; both are genteel Victorian seaside towns of around 20,000 people; both are on the Bristol channel and have attractive piers, and both are a short distance from a large city. But whilst Clevedon folk have to rely on an hourly, hour long bus ride to get to their local city centre, Penarth folk can do it in 12 mins on their quarter-hourly train service. To be fair Clevedon to Bristol is about three times the distance, but I think it is fair to assume that a train could make the journey in about 30 minutes.

Online maps/overhead photos show that all but a very short stretch of the formation at the Yatton end is still there (the built over part is a short bit of road) while the Clevedon end now stops at the towns southern limits, rather like the Thornbury branch now does. Perhaps a future candidate for a light rail/tram link?

I don't know how many Clevedon people currently opt to get to Bristol by train from Yatton but I recall that the bus service between the station and Clevedon is not all that frequent.

Edit: The M5 also provides a diagonal barrier halfway along which would be an additional challenge.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2019, 05:50:01 pm
Grahame
The text has been ready for many years. I did offer it to a couple of publishers but was declined. One reason was I stopped after the system grew to its maximum size and secondly I focussed on researching the Hemp and Flax industries of West Dorset and South Somerset, which has occupied the last two decades!
If you would like to have a look at the text I am happy to send you a copy by email. I managed to find a whole stock of original letters regarding the promotion of the line.

Would LOVE to have a look.  My knowledge tens to date from the rundowns of the Beeching era onwards, so there might be a fit ... I will message you, but don't expect mcc action this week or next.  Programming is Scotland this week ... 2 days training, a house move, an election, a Santa wrapping party and a key bus meeting next week!


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 03, 2019, 07:56:13 pm
Astounding to see what looks like a major line off towards Clevedon (one that should never have been lost, but will never come back?)...

Quite so.

It's interesting to compare Clevedon with Penarth; both are genteel Victorian seaside towns of around 20,000 people; both are on the Bristol channel and have attractive piers, and both are a short distance from a large city. But whilst Clevedon folk have to rely on an hourly, hour long bus ride to get to their local city centre, Penarth folk can do it in 12 mins on their quarter-hourly train service. To be fair Clevedon to Bristol is about three times the distance, but I think it is fair to assume that a train could make the journey in about 30 minutes.

Online maps/overhead photos show that all but a very short stretch of the formation at the Yatton end is still there (the built over part is a short bit of road) while the Clevedon end now stops at the towns southern limits, rather like the Thornbury branch now does. Perhaps a future candidate for a light rail/tram link?

I don't know how many Clevedon people currently opt to get to Bristol by train from Yatton but I recall that the bus service between the station and Clevedon is not all that frequent.

Edit: The M5 also provides a diagonal barrier halfway along which would be an additional challenge.

Something that came up in a documentary about CrossRail struck a chord for me: At some point during the construction, people started to realise that they weren't building a tunnel with a railway in it; what they were actually doing was building a railway which just happened to be in a tunnel.

According to this benchmark (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/762006/CCS207_CCS1118018748-001_Benchmarking_tunnelling_costs_and_production_rates_in_the_UK_Web_Accessible.pdf), you ought to be able to dig a 5.5m diameter tunnel for about £40 million/km.

Getting a railway across the M5 ought to be fairly straightforward. Getting through the dozens of streets of houses either side of Southern Way would be much more of a challenge... unless you had a tunnelling machine, in which case suddenly it looks almost trivial; 1km of tunnel would get you under the Kenn and far enough to pop out somewhere near the Rugby Club; before you knew it you'd be at Station Road. It's do-able, with a modicum of political will.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: eXPassenger on December 03, 2019, 11:00:14 pm
Just bear in mind that the tunnel would be in peat and under the high water mark.  A lot of pumping would be required.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 04, 2019, 12:38:20 am
And another curved platform

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_04.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: ellendune on December 04, 2019, 09:42:48 am
Just bear in mind that the tunnel would be in peat and under the high water mark.  A lot of pumping would be required.

A tunnel in peat near to buildings!  Might as well demolish the buildings to start with!


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Reginald25 on December 04, 2019, 09:52:43 am
Guess. Swindon Town.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 04, 2019, 11:09:14 am
Can I guess that tomorrow's is Taunton?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: stuving on December 04, 2019, 12:19:39 pm
Guess. Swindon Town.

In Graham's absence (undergoing gainful employment, I believe) can I offer this from BBC Wiltshire ten years ago (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/wiltshire/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8160000/8160696.stm):
Quote
Swindon's other railway station
By Neil Lover
Railway Historian
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46092000/jpg/_46092129_picture7.jpg)
Swindon Station in Old Town existed for just 80 years

Many years ago, Swindon's Old Town used to have its very own railway station.

People familiar with Old Town will know the site where the station once stood is now Signal Way industrial estate, and the old track that lead to it is now a cycle path spanning Old Town.

The station existed for just 80 years to fare-paying passengers.
...


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 04, 2019, 06:01:27 pm
Yes, Swindon Town today.  And it probably won't be Taunton tomorrow.

Running North - South through Wessex were a number of lines
The Didcot Newbury and Southampton (DN&S)
The Midland and South West Junction (M&SWJ)
The Wiltshire Somerset and Weymouth  (WS&W)
Bath - Westbury - Salisbury - Southampton (does it have a name?)
The Somerset and Dorset (S&D)

The mid 20th century wasn't kind to them - by 1970 only the Bath to Southampton line was left, with traffic from the south coast to the Midlands and North running via Reading to the east, or traffic destined for the far south west coast via Taunton and Exeter.  Part of the WS&W remained open to passenger trains, though threatened under the Serpel report, and part lost its scheduled passenger services apart from one train each way on Summer Saturdays - good to see that's made something of a comeback, though still broken at Westbury as a through route for passengers.

Seeing a separate thread spinning off for Yatton to Clevedon ... not beyond the bounds of sanity. But I don't seen any case in the forseeable future for the M&SWJ between Hays Lane and Ludgershall, through Swindon Town station.

In Graham's absence (undergoing gainful employment, I believe) ...

Yes, writing Ruby code this week. Great fun. Working with micro-framework for a web appliaction that I'm choosing to call "monorail" as it's very much cut down from Ruby on Rails.   The place I'm working isn't a part of the UK that many people want or need to stay, so I'm sitting writing this waiting for the train back to my digs up the line.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Rob on the hill on December 04, 2019, 07:26:52 pm
This is how the site of Swindon Town station looks like now:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5494161,-1.7749864,3a,75y,296.5h,87.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV2ojL346-60wtfmbE1U3zg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

http://swindonsotherrailway.co.uk/

The building that was the M&SWJR head office still stands today.



Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 05, 2019, 05:14:49 am
No, not Taunton ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_05.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: PhilWakely on December 05, 2019, 05:18:11 am
Somewhere on the Ffestiniog ?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Reginald25 on December 05, 2019, 06:43:24 am
Ravenglass and Eskdale?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 05, 2019, 07:00:26 am
Is there a Bath connection with today's picture ?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: ellendune on December 05, 2019, 07:46:06 am
Somewhere on the Ffestiniog ?

Yes I would say that it is just south of Tan y Grisiau by the power station.  The photo is perhaps not what it seems at first as the train appears to be using gravity which the old Ffestiniog did long before the reservoir was built. I would suggest that this is some sort of reenactment as the power station is in the picture.  Incidentally it could not now run all the way by gravity now because there is now a summit on the deviation round the reservoir.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 05, 2019, 08:46:47 am
Somewhere on the Ffestiniog ?

Yes I would say that it is just south of Tan y Grisiau by the power station.  The photo is perhaps not what it seems at first as the train appears to be using gravity which the old Ffestiniog did long before the reservoir was built. I would suggest that this is some sort of reenactment as the power station is in the picture.  Incidentally it could not now run all the way by gravity now because there is now a summit on the deviation round the reservoir.

There seem to be a surprising number of modern re-enactments - a whole page about it at
https://www.festipedia.org.uk/wiki/Gravity_slate_trains

But as you say, the deviation means they can't run all the way (since gravity does not work uphill) and this must have been a special re-enactment as the usual run is downhill form Ddault


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bradshaw on December 05, 2019, 09:24:53 am
Pedant alert
Gravity still works when things travel uphill, just acting to decelerate rather than accelerate.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: johnneyw on December 05, 2019, 11:46:27 am
Somewhere on the Ffestiniog ?

Yes I would say that it is just south of Tan y Grisiau by the power station.  The photo is perhaps not what it seems at first as the train appears to be using gravity which the old Ffestiniog did long before the reservoir was built. I would suggest that this is some sort of reenactment as the power station is in the picture.  Incidentally it could not now run all the way by gravity now because there is now a summit on the deviation round the reservoir.

The Ffestiniog gravity train was featured and re-enacted on a recent episode of Steam Train Britain. Apparently it's run a few times each year as an attraction/demonstration for the line's customers but only in a viewing capacity. The braking requirements are show to be quite complex requiring a chief brakesman (is that a word?) at the front with a number of additional operatives with brake handles on other wagons. The chap at the front uses hand signals to indicate how many of them need to apply their brakes at any given time.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Western Pathfinder on December 05, 2019, 01:39:03 pm
Not wishing to derail this at all however!
Just in case you're not feeling festive yet try this https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=cD3QlR98--A&ebc=ANyPxKpKc7X_Z2L-l5uzLzec3t22CesBXHbguCI5tiJ21ixY-cCM9sEtjZnC19ydCS3uikduBicApwhqhsYfdRa6vU6q6mIHIA.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: rogerw on December 05, 2019, 04:16:14 pm
Very good, although some of those horns are a bit out of tune  ;D


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: JontyMort on December 05, 2019, 05:45:36 pm
Pedant alert
Gravity still works when things travel uphill, just acting to decelerate rather than accelerate.

Double pedant alert... it's the Festiniog ('cos that's what its Act of Parliament said), which admittedly runs to Blaenau Ffestiniog.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 06, 2019, 06:16:55 am
The trouble with slammers - people detraining before the train has come to a halt

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_06.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 06, 2019, 07:08:28 am
A soldier under arrest for being AWL and being taken back to Aldershot by the MP makes his bid for freedom.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: CyclingSid on December 06, 2019, 07:37:38 am
I can remember a colleague using the "fish train" to get back to camp. The Sargeant Major walked round him on parade, but presumably couldn't think of an appropriate comment. [Supporter of the late lamented Apostrophe Preservation Society]


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: ellendune on December 06, 2019, 08:02:40 am
I don't think those trains ran to Taunton. 


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 06, 2019, 10:17:40 am
The trouble with slammers - people detraining before the train has come to a halt

Most morning peak arrivals into Waterloo were empty by the time the train stopped.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 06, 2019, 11:20:46 am
Groombridge.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: rogerpatenall on December 06, 2019, 11:37:04 am
First thought was Eridge.

By the way, I first watched the Horn Concerto above with the sound off. I thought "wa'sit all about?". Then I realised. Dense? Moi?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bradshaw on December 06, 2019, 02:49:01 pm
The 99 head code is for London Bridge to Uckfield via Hever, if Central Section but Brighton to Bristol if Western Section


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 06, 2019, 04:17:31 pm
Groombridge and Eridge both seem more likely than what I was told ... but please don't read too much into the head code as it may not be "genuine".


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 06, 2019, 05:44:47 pm
... and at least we know which end has first class! A step up on the current arrangement  :D

If I had to hazard a guess being a film shot - Longmoor Military Railway - somewhere


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bignosemac on December 06, 2019, 05:57:07 pm
Pedant alert
Gravity still works when things travel uphill, just acting to decelerate rather than accelerate.

Double pedant alert... it's the Festiniog ('cos that's what its Act of Parliament said), which admittedly runs to Blaenau Ffestiniog.

Triple pedant alert. Festiniog Railway Company is the owning company. However the railway trades as Ffestiniog Railway/Rheilffordd Ffestiniog.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: bradshaw on December 06, 2019, 06:14:00 pm
First Class was in the centre coach. The inverted black triangle was painted on two and three car multiple-units in order to provide an early visual indication to station staff that there was no brake van at the other end of the unit.  The four and six car demus had brake vans at each end.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Merthyr Imp on December 06, 2019, 10:18:57 pm
... and at least we know which end has first class! A step up on the current arrangement  :D

If I had to hazard a guess being a film shot - Longmoor Military Railway - somewhere

Yes - it's 'The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery'. Liss station?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: stuving on December 06, 2019, 10:36:35 pm
... and at least we know which end has first class! A step up on the current arrangement  :D

If I had to hazard a guess being a film shot - Longmoor Military Railway - somewhere

Yes - it's 'The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery'. Liss station?

Here's a reference site on tha (https://www.reelstreets.com/films/great-st-trinians-train-robbery-the/)t - and it says:
Quote
(https://www.reelstreets.com/wp-content/uploads/Films/the_great_st._trinians_train_robbe/gst014.jpg)
The film's Nutcombe station. Chris Churcher advises that this shot was taken on the former Longmoor Downs Station on the Longmoor Military Railway. It was the largest station on the LMR and is now sadly underneath the main A3 road. In addition, he says that the Hampshire three car DMU is about to depart south towards Greatham and Woolmer. (RL)

Add: having peered at those two pictures for a bit, the signal "post" does look identically similar. Groombridge looked very similar, but without quite being the full cigarsworth.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: JontyMort on December 06, 2019, 11:42:11 pm


Thanks for adding another backwater to my knowledge.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 07, 2019, 06:43:15 am
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_07.jpg)


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 07, 2019, 08:50:13 am
It's definitely Sodor - I'd say Tidmouth Sheds.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 07, 2019, 11:05:03 am
If it is where I think it is - and not a million miles from #5 - the photo was taken from a railway bridge that was bombed during the war having been mistaken for a large London terminus - or so the tale goes.


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: martyjon on December 08, 2019, 07:16:11 am
Is today's piccy running late, no mention on Journey Check !


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2019, 08:20:47 am
Is today's piccy running late, no mention on Journey Check !

It's outside JouneyCheck's scope - delayed by congestion behind yesterday's picture that has not yet been identified:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_07.jpg)

for today, waiting for a path to "Current Day's picture" is

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_08.jpg)



Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 08, 2019, 08:32:55 am
Yesterday's picture (top) Longmoor Yard on said LMR. Now partially the newly aligned A3 but the corresponding road over bridge a private (military?) road and not therefore on Google Streetmaps for present-day view. 1948 map and slider (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.113333333333337&lat=51.0735&lon=-0.8607&layers=10&b=1) on NLS


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: ellendune on December 08, 2019, 08:38:14 am
Is today's picture Windsor & Eton Central?


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2019, 09:04:53 am
Yesterday's picture (top) Longmoor Yard on said LMR. Now partially the newly aligned A3 but the corresponding road over bridge a private (military?) road and not therefore on Google Streetmaps for present-day view. 1948 map and slider (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.113333333333337&lat=51.0735&lon=-0.8607&layers=10&b=1) on NLS

Very much condensed summary of the Longmoor Military railway from data at WikiPedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longmoor_Military_Railway)

Quote
The Longmoor Military Railway (LMR) was a British military railway in Hampshire, built by the Royal Engineers in order to train soldiers on railway construction and operations.  Activities date from 1903 when an 18 in (457 mm) gauge tramway was laid to assist in removing 68 large corrugated iron huts from Longmoor Military Camp Camp to Bordon.

The railway was relaid to 4 ft 8 1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge in 1905–1907 and was initially known as the Woolmer Instructional Military Railway. It was renamed the Longmoor Military Railway in 1935. The Liss extension was opened in 1933. An additional loop ran eastwards from Longmoor camp via a station at Hopkins Bridge to Whitehill Junction, completed in 1942. This provided circular running to the line, allowing for improved training without the need to turn trains at the terminals.

As a training railway, it was often being constructed/deconstructed. The layout would often change, and at one time housed a machine which could lay 1,500 yards (1,400 m) of track a day. At its peak, the railway ran to over 70 miles (110 km) of operational laid track and sidings.

With a declining military role for railways both in Britain and the rest of the world, it was inevitable that the significance of the facilities offered by the LMR would be reduced in later years. Longmoor Military Railway closed down with a ceremonial last day of operation on 31 October 1969, though for another two years some locomotives and stock remained on site, and there were occasional movements.

Edit - quote updated to add a little more detail


Title: Re: Advent Quiz - 2019
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 08, 2019, 09:21:40 am
Sunday Photograph = Birmingham Snow Hill


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Post by: bradshaw on December 08, 2019, 09:53:03 am
Sunday perhaps Birmingham Moor Street


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Post by: martyjon on December 08, 2019, 01:20:43 pm
Newcastle or Hull ?


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Post by: grahame on December 08, 2019, 01:53:33 pm
Sunday Photograph = Birmingham Snow Hill

Yes - Birmingham Snow Hill, not long before it closed;  I think at that time the only trains left were to Wolverhampton (Low Level) and towards Kidderminster - both very sparse services that have since been lost, re-instated, and have grown.


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Post by: grahame on December 09, 2019, 05:32:17 am
I expect this one will go in the blink of an eye!

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_09.jpg)


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Post by: Red Squirrel on December 09, 2019, 06:51:20 am
The early bird catches the Barnstaple..!


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Post by: johnneyw on December 09, 2019, 12:03:05 pm
Did the Tarka Line to Barnstaple in 2017. Not much to see now of the railway bridge but a chap in the local museum pointed out to us where it ran. IIRC, the bankside abutment(s) may still be in evidence.


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Post by: grahame on December 10, 2019, 01:08:49 am

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_10.jpg)


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Post by: Oxonhutch on December 10, 2019, 07:40:34 am
Cardiff Bute Road I believe


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Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 10, 2019, 09:08:05 am
I've no idea where it is but it appears to be the antidote to colourisation, so to speak. Isn't fashion confusingly restless!


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Post by: johnneyw on December 10, 2019, 12:39:38 pm
Cardiff Bay old station building. I believe it's currently being renovated/repurposed and the line is due to be extended a couple of hundred metres closer to the bay itself.


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Post by: grahame on December 11, 2019, 05:08:01 am
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_11.jpg)


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Post by: Oxonhutch on December 11, 2019, 05:55:49 am
That was a useful footbridge. Pity it has gone.


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Post by: JontyMort on December 11, 2019, 07:22:08 am


Those car flats look as if they're going through the Severn Tunnel to avoid the ferry. Pilning?


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Post by: Merthyr Imp on December 11, 2019, 08:59:45 am
I'll say Patchway.


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Post by: SandTEngineer on December 11, 2019, 09:46:33 am
Pilning.


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Post by: Witham Bobby on December 11, 2019, 11:25:50 am
What a great picture  :D

Semaphores, signalbox, carflats, cars and 6-cars worth of Swindon Cross-Country DMU heading to Cardiff.  A Birmingham (Snow Hill) to Cardiff General via Honeybourne service, I'd like to think.

Made my morning much more cheerful, to see this


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Post by: rogerw on December 11, 2019, 12:46:51 pm
What a great picture  :D

Semaphores, signalbox, carflats, cars and 6-cars worth of Swindon Cross-Country DMU heading to Cardiff.  A Birmingham (Snow Hill) to Cardiff General via Honeybourne service, I'd like to think.

Made my morning much more cheerful, to see this

That service would have been routed via Chepstow.


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Post by: bradshaw on December 11, 2019, 01:36:37 pm
Wikipedia has the same photo and gives the dat as 1961


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Post by: grahame on December 12, 2019, 03:17:38 am
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_12.jpg)


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Post by: JontyMort on December 12, 2019, 07:08:41 am
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_12.jpg)

It looks Midland-ish. Island platform. Trent?


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Post by: eightf48544 on December 12, 2019, 11:22:05 am
Same compamy but Normanton


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Post by: JontyMort on December 12, 2019, 11:25:23 am
Same compamy but Normanton

That roof is very distinctive Midland. Kettering survives in similar form, IIRC.


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Post by: bradshaw on December 12, 2019, 12:45:46 pm
Trent Railway Station


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Post by: Red Squirrel on December 12, 2019, 03:14:18 pm
Trent Railway Station

The only station named after a river, according to the internet.


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Post by: stuving on December 12, 2019, 03:24:52 pm
Trent Railway Station

The only station named after a river, according to the internet.

Really? And Swale?


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Post by: Jamsdad on December 12, 2019, 03:27:24 pm
Don't forget the River Frome!


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Post by: grahame on December 12, 2019, 03:36:27 pm
Trent Railway Station

The only station named after a river, according to the internet.

"Can you trust the Internet" asks the station at Dovey Junction


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Post by: SandTEngineer on December 12, 2019, 03:37:40 pm
Trent Railway Station

The only station named after a river, according to the internet.

"Can you trust the Internet" asks the station at Dovey Junction

....or Falmouth....


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Post by: Bmblbzzz on December 12, 2019, 03:49:28 pm
Bradford-on-Avon?


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Post by: stuving on December 12, 2019, 04:03:26 pm
There must be loads of stations that were named for a town that shares its name with a river, usually, one that runs right next to or through it - Frome's one, or Annan was the example I thought of.

I'm sure there will be a couple of cases where the town shares its name with a river coincidentally - in which case it may be nowhere near it. Wye would be one, I think.

But Swale struck me as being named after the river itself. After all, there's ***-all else there. Unless you want to split hairs (as opposed to rivers) and won't allow the Swale as a proper river...

PS: Of course there's still the other Swale which is certainly a proper river but miles away.


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Post by: bradshaw on December 12, 2019, 04:16:34 pm
It seems to have been in the middle of nowhere as this article on the station mentions.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/history/stunning-old-railway-station-didnt-560047


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Post by: Red Squirrel on December 12, 2019, 04:25:54 pm
There must be loads of stations that were named for a town that shares its name with a river, usually, one that runs right next to or through it - Frome's one, or Annan was the example I thought of.

I'm sure there will be a couple of cases where the town shares its name with a river coincidentally - in which case it may be nowhere near it. Wye would be one, I think.

But Swale struck me as being named after the river itself. After all, there's ***-all else there. Unless you want to split hairs (as opposed to rivers) and won't allow the Swale as a proper river...

PS: Of course there's still the other Swale which is certainly a proper river but miles away.


I think I will split hairs. Someone has the stand up for the poor old internet. The Swale in question is, as I think you were about to admit, a tidal channel and not a river.

Took me ages to work out what the three asterisks stood for; c**f has five letters, and b****r six...


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Post by: stuving on December 12, 2019, 04:44:10 pm
Then there are the stations that were built in the middle of nowhere, or in the gaps between places, and had to be named, often fancifully. Later a place coagulated around the station and took on its name. Some of those were named for watercourses - Ravensbourne and Stamford Brook come to mind.

Of course we'll now get objections from all those shop stewards of the hair-splitters' union who've invented an adjustable fixed strict lower bound for riverhood.


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Post by: JontyMort on December 12, 2019, 04:55:20 pm
It seems to have been in the middle of nowhere as this article on the station mentions.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/history/stunning-old-railway-station-didnt-560047

It was. It was east (i.e. the Nottingham side) of the triangular junction, but there was an express loop which allowed trains to/from Derby from/to London to call at Trent.

It was still quite a spotters paradise in its final days. If you had a pair of binoculars you could bag the numbers on the Leicester-Derby side of the triangle- everything else was clear from the platform.

My father - doubtless in common with other Nottinghamians - used to say "well, I'll go to Trent" as the mock expression of surprise. My mother hated the place. I suspect she often changed there when returning from leave to go back to London nursing in the mid-to-late '40s, with endless delays to Midland trains from Manchester, Leeds, and Carlisle.

A bit like Reading this afternoon, in fact.


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Post by: Red Squirrel on December 12, 2019, 05:58:08 pm
Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs!

Talking more generally of names, how did Junction Road Junction get its name?


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Post by: Oxonhutch on December 12, 2019, 06:41:58 pm
Then there are the stations that were built in the middle of nowhere, or in the gaps between places, and had to be named, often fancifully. Later a place coagulated around the station and took on its name.

Indeed. Llandudno Junction is now a town.


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Post by: grahame on December 13, 2019, 01:35:16 am
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_13.jpg)


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Post by: Oxonhutch on December 13, 2019, 05:53:29 am
Now featuring even older motive power.


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Post by: ellendune on December 13, 2019, 07:16:34 am
Ongar


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Post by: CyclingSid on December 13, 2019, 07:25:30 am
There was also the situation that stations ended up a long way from the town (or anywhere useful) because the local landed gentry didn't want their view spoilt or the dirt from steam engines etc.


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Post by: eightf48544 on December 13, 2019, 11:00:39 am
Apologies for going back to Trent in steam days there several signal boxes very close together.

There was allegededly a train from Derby via the then Sawley Jn, Sheets Stores Jn and Trent Station South Jn  which termianted at Trent and returned using using  the long gone link from  Trent Sation North Jn back to Sawley Jn. Due to the short blocks Line Clear was offered on as soon as line clear was received from the previous box. Thus when Trent Station North belled Sawley Jn the train  had to be refused as it was still crossing the junction.


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Post by: JontyMort on December 13, 2019, 09:39:01 pm
Apologies for going back to Trent in steam days there several signal boxes very close together.

There was allegededly a train from Derby via the then Sawley Jn, Sheets Stores Jn and Trent Station South Jn  which termianted at Trent and returned using using  the long gone link from  Trent Sation North Jn back to Sawley Jn. Due to the short blocks Line Clear was offered on as soon as line clear was received from the previous box. Thus when Trent Station North belled Sawley Jn the train  had to be refused as it was still crossing the junction.

The line from Sawley Junction was originally the Derby-Nottingham side of the triangular junction (before the station existed). Later this was chopped at the Nottingham end and looped round to the south to enter Trent from the north-east, thus producing the phenomenon you describe that trains from Derby to Trent (and vv) could arrive/depart Trent on either platform.

The modern legacy of this is that the Derby-Nottingham chord was moved south to accommodate the loop, tightening the layout and producing the current very restrictive (10 mph?) speed at Trent Sheet Stores Junction.


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Post by: grahame on December 14, 2019, 12:25:56 am
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/x19_14.jpg)


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Post by: old original on December 14, 2019, 01:01:39 am
Waterloo International.....



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