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Title: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: MVR S&T on January 28, 2020, 23:55:10
Due to a derailment of a freight train between Southampton Central and Basingstoke all lines are blocked.
What's Going On:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted via Havant. All stations between Winchester and Southampton Central will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 29/01/20.
What We're Doing About It:
Latest Update (Last updated at 23:00): Journeys will be affected tomorrow, please check before you travel. All lines are blocked between Southampton Central and Winchester whilst response teams work to remove the derailed train at Eastleigh station. Trains will continue to be altered and diverted for the rest of the day.
As engineers work to remove a derailed freight train at Eastleigh station, all lines are blocked between Winchester and Southampton Central. All lines will be blocked for the rest of the day and tomorrow.

Looks bad for the track, RAIB are on site too.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: bradshaw on January 29, 2020, 19:20:13
Line not expected to be open before the end of Sunday. From their website

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Due to the derailment of a freight train between Southampton Central and Winchester all lines are blocked. Train services running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted via Havant. All stations between Winchester and Southampton Central will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day 02/02/2020.   


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: grahame on January 29, 2020, 20:58:16
Line not expected to be open before the end of Sunday. From their website

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Due to the derailment of a freight train between Southampton Central and Winchester all lines are blocked. Train services running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted via Havant. All stations between Winchester and Southampton Central will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day 02/02/2020.   

and their longer description - https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/eastleigh-derailment-update

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Eastleigh derailment update

The railway through Eastleigh remains closed and we apologise to passengers for the ongoing disruption.

We now expect the majority of services to run from the morning of Monday 3 February, but continue to do everything possible to open the railway sooner.

We are dealing with a complex situation involving the derailment of six wagons that has taken much longer than was initially expected.

Following the derailment there is extensive damage to the track and our engineers are working around the clock to get the railway back open as quickly and as safely as possible.

To do this we are installing temporary track and will make alterations to the signalling and power supply as the full repair will take more time. Passengers should continue to check before travelling.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: MVR S&T on January 29, 2020, 23:56:10
The temporary track, looks like plain line over the switch and crossing (points) involved, so could be some changes to the stopping, or not at Eastleigh for down trains.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: bradshaw on January 30, 2020, 16:52:01

Network Rail have just posted this blog about the incident.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/stories/eastleigh-derailment-and-other-incidents/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: jdw.wor on January 30, 2020, 22:16:51
Whilst a very laudable piece it is a pity that he did not explain that SWR had nothing to do with the problem and were, in fact, sufferers themselves. I say this as I was at Waterloo today and listened to a lot of ill informed criticism of SWR management from many.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: grahame on January 30, 2020, 22:24:49
Whilst a very laudable piece it is a pity that he did not explain that SWR had nothing to do with the problem and were, in fact, sufferers themselves. I say this as I was at Waterloo today and listened to a lot of ill informed criticism of SWR management from many.

Sadly, taking the flack for the whole rail industry is part of the deal that companies sign up for when they bid for a franchise.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: MVR S&T on January 30, 2020, 22:36:29
If I go in a pub and there is no beer on, I blame the manager, staff on at the time, the fact it was due to the delivery lorry crashing a few days ago, is the reason, but its how the manager/staff deal with me, did they go and source some more beer from another place, do they put it on the signs outside/social medie etc. Do they offer a discounted alternative to keep me happy..


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: JontyMort on January 30, 2020, 23:43:39
If I go in a pub and there is no beer on, I blame the manager, staff on at the time, the fact it was due to the delivery lorry crashing a few days ago, is the reason, but its how the manager/staff deal with me, did they go and source some more beer from another place, do they put it on the signs outside/social medie etc. Do they offer a discounted alternative to keep me happy..


To be fair, the “beer from another place” is diversion via Havant and the Portsmouth Direct. Other things being equal, one might expect the Laverstock Curve to be shorter, but that wouldn’t work with electric stock. My knowledge of the area is sketchy. Is Soton to Havant via Fareham electrified?


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: Timmer on January 31, 2020, 06:19:29
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Is Soton to Havant via Fareham electrified?
It is yes.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: GBM on January 31, 2020, 07:22:13
Whilst the heading of Notwork Fail press release mentioned 'other incidents', there is no mention of those specifically.
Constant signalling failures plus power problems (I believe?).


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on January 31, 2020, 17:10:15
If I go in a pub and there is no beer on, I blame the manager, staff on at the time, the fact it was due to the delivery lorry crashing a few days ago, is the reason, but its how the manager/staff deal with me, did they go and source some more beer from another place, do they put it on the signs outside/social medie etc. Do they offer a discounted alternative to keep me happy..


To be fair, the “beer from another place” is diversion via Havant and the Portsmouth Direct. Other things being equal, one might expect the Laverstock Curve to be shorter, but that wouldn’t work with electric stock. My knowledge of the area is sketchy. Is Soton to Havant via Fareham electrified?
The Laverstock route will take an hourly XC Bournemouth and significant numbers of freights though, which both need to reach Basingstoke, so effectively shares the load somewhat.  Even if via Romsey and Andover was electrified I expect SWR would still end up with trains going via Havant.

What does make me wonder is why the 2 hourly XC Southampton extensions from Reading couldn’t run as far as Winchester...

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: JontyMort on January 31, 2020, 21:54:31
The Laverstock route will take an hourly XC Bournemouth and significant numbers of freights though, which both need to reach Basingstoke, so effectively shares the load somewhat.  Even if via Romsey and Andover was electrified I expect SWR would still end up with trains going via Havant.

Yes, I had forgotten about XC, and at least they can go via Laverstock.

I remember them putting in that line. It’s always seemed odd that the “curve” is the straightest side of the triangle.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 01, 2020, 15:01:21
The Laverstock route will take an hourly XC Bournemouth and significant numbers of freights though, which both need to reach Basingstoke, so effectively shares the load somewhat.  Even if via Romsey and Andover was electrified I expect SWR would still end up with trains going via Havant.

Yes, I had forgotten about XC, and at least they can go via Laverstock.

I remember them putting in that line. It’s always seemed odd that the “curve” is the straightest side of the triangle.

As a minor side note I was somewhat surprised to see that, (at least according to the signalling maps on the opentraintimes site), there are no signals on the Laverstock “curve”.   Perhaps it wasn’t considered long enough to be able to safely hold long trains, so there was no point in signalling it to do so? 

But then perhaps it’s part of the reasoning that apparently allows drivers to maintain currency over the route without taking a train over it?

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: Timmer on February 01, 2020, 15:11:21
Interesting that buses are still replacing trains between Salisbury and Southampton despite XC trains being diverted on this route.

My guess because it was too late to cancel replacement buses and change staff rosters to run trains between Salisbury and Southampton.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 01, 2020, 15:13:20
Another example of diversions round the Eastleigh blockage, that is quite interesting.

Car carriers to Southampton eastern docks via Reading, Wokingham, Guildford, Havant and Fareham:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/85467/2020-02-01/detailed

As shown these are running onto the “Southern” via the Reading low level underpass. Is that used much by freight normally?

I believe these are possibly the only regular freight services that can run that way round, as much of the route via Havant is only W6 gauge, so any container traffic would be completely ruled out.

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 01, 2020, 15:21:00
Interesting that buses are still replacing trains between Salisbury and Southampton despite XC trains being diverted on this route.

My guess because it was too late to cancel replacement buses and change staff rosters to run trains between Salisbury and Southampton.
That seems probable.  SWR had intended to run Romsey to Romsey stoppers, I suspect that Southampton to Romsey only might be possible with a single unit so there must be another reason that’s not running?  Not enough expected passengers at intermediate stops maybe?

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on February 01, 2020, 17:07:14
Another example of diversions round the Eastleigh blockage, that is quite interesting.

Car carriers to Southampton eastern docks via Reading, Wokingham, Guildford, Havant and Fareham:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/85467/2020-02-01/detailed

As shown these are running onto the “Southern” via the Reading low level underpass. Is that used much by freight normally?

I believe these are possibly the only regular freight services that can run that way round, as much of the route via Havant is only W6 gauge, so any container traffic would be completely ruled out.

Paul

I've seen a few goods workings, but usually going to/from London when the Reading-Acton line is blocked, and I don't recall any going via Guildford. But nothing too big and heavy, as it is indeed all W6 (or selectively W6A).

In fact I've not heard any of those passing today or yesterday, but then modern wagons running at 30 mph wouldn't be noisy, and by the time it's all cleared the PSR the loco would be well down the line.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: bradshaw on February 01, 2020, 18:33:27
This link shows that the down fast has been reinstated as plain line. So no trains can access it from the down platform lines

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1223650039333081089?s=21


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 01, 2020, 21:16:33
This link shows that the down fast has been reinstated as plain line. So no trains can access it from the down platform lines

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1223650039333081089?s=21
Real time trains is now showing Monday’s timetable, Romsey to Salisbury via Southampton and Waterloo to Poole trains will not call, their up direction equivalents will of course operate normally.

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: grahame on February 01, 2020, 21:23:15
This link shows that the down fast has been reinstated as plain line. So no trains can access it from the down platform lines

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1223650039333081089?s=21
Real time trains is now showing Monday’s timetable, Romsey to Salisbury via Southampton and Waterloo to Poole trains will not call, their up direction equivalents will of course operate normally.

Paul

Doubleback easement in place?


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on February 01, 2020, 22:43:40
This link shows that the down fast has been reinstated as plain line. So no trains can access it from the down platform lines

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1223650039333081089?s=21
Real time trains is now showing Monday’s timetable, Romsey to Salisbury via Southampton and Waterloo to Poole trains will not call, their up direction equivalents will of course operate normally.

Paul

Doubleback easement in place?

But trains turning left via Hedge End will still call, of course. Which is covered by the SWR Journeycheck page (though the update has left this page a bit of a mess). I think they could make this a bit clearer, though, and perhaps will before Monday:
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Latest Update (Last updated at 21:00) Next update at 07:00
Temporary repairs to the railway through Eastleigh continue, to enable a partial resumption of services through the station from Monday morning, but as a result, not all services will be able to call at the station. The following pattern of services applies from Monday morning until further notice:
1. Any train that heads towards Southampton from the Basingstoke direction will not be able to call at Eastleigh. Trains will be able to call at Eastleigh in the London bound direction from Southampton ONLY. Customers travelling to Eastleigh from the London / Basingstoke / Winchester direction will need to travel on a Portsmouth Harbour / Portsmouth and Southsea via Basingstoke service or alternatively to Southampton Airport Parkway and return back on a northbound service. This may entail an approx. 30 minute maximum wait at Southampton Airport Parkway but should be an average of 5-10 minutes.
a. Trains from Romsey to Salisbury via Chandlers Ford will be unable to call at Eastleigh
b. Services from Waterloo to Poole will be unable to call at Eastleigh
2. There will be some additional peak time services that will also be unable to call at Eastleigh or may have to be cancelled throughout.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: JontyMort on February 02, 2020, 17:35:58

But trains turning left via Hedge End will still call, of course. Which is covered by the SWR Journeycheck page (though the update has left this page a bit of a mess). I think they could make this a bit clearer, though, and perhaps will before Monday.


It is clear, surely, in referring to trains to Southampton not calling, and also saying that anyone coming from London/Basingstoke will need to travel on a Portsmouth service.

Presumably the Portsmouths turn off the main line north of Eastleigh station and use the eastern side of the island platform?


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 02, 2020, 18:12:54
Presumably the Portsmouths turn off the main line north of Eastleigh station and use the eastern side of the island platform?
Under normal circumstances, trains towards Fareham and Portsmouth via Botley would use P3, and from those stations would usually use P2,  although both platforms can be used in either direction.  However there is a train length limitation on P3 in the up direction only, because there’s a set of points giving access to the yard in the down direction.  I think an 8 car train can probably fit at the up direction signal.

One significant limitation caused by P2 being out of use is that the route towards Eastleigh east yard for freights from Southampton is lost, there’s no other crossover from up fast to either down line.  So as well as problems for northbound freights whose destination is the yard, they also won’t be able to cross over through freight trains to recess in the yard during the peaks.   I suspect the only real alternative access is with some sort of shunt up near Allbrook, the running junction at the up end of the yard...

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: Timmer on February 03, 2020, 21:19:56
Video update from Mark Hopwood:
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-for-improving-your-journeys


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: eightf48544 on February 06, 2020, 12:05:40
Heared rumours that the points which were damaged and are now plainlined contain non standard parts which will have to be specialy manufactured.

Be interesting to see if it were the track, wagons or both  to blame, i understand that it occured at a relatively low speed.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: Timmer on February 06, 2020, 13:09:38
Paul Clifton reporting that Network Rail are taking responsibility for the derailment:
https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1225403560751484929

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Network Rail Wessex accepts full responsibility for failure of a bolt on a set of points, causing gauge spread and a freight train falling off the track. Closed the
main line for 6 days last week.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: eightf48544 on February 06, 2020, 14:27:36
Good job it was low speed.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on February 06, 2020, 17:42:50
Network rail have now put out their official description of what happened (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-releases-cause-of-freight-train-derailment-at-eastleigh):
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The main railway line reopened through Eastleigh on Monday following the derailment of a freight train at the station and six days of emergency repair works.

Initial findings by Network Rail have found the cause of the incident to be an infrastructure fault, when a small number of fastenings gave way. This led to track spread - meaning that the two rails were no longer the correct distance apart.

This particular type of fastening is only used in a limited number of locations. Since the incident, Network Rail has conducted enhanced precautionary inspections of all similar fastenings across the Wessex route, with no additional areas of concern identified through this work.

During the incident teams worked around the clock to reopen the railway. Hydraulic jacks and cranes were used to lift the wagons back on to the track before they were removed from site.

The derailed train caused extensive damage to several sets of points, which allow trains to cross from one track to another. These had to be removed completely and a new set will be built off site to a bespoke design, this is expected to be delivered over coming weeks.

In the meantime, over 160 metres of temporary track has been laid to allow the reopening of the railway, however, without the critical points in place, not all trains can call at Eastleigh station. Passengers using Eastleigh station are advised to check www.southwesternrailway.com  before travelling.
Not exactly a mea culpa.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 06, 2020, 18:16:40
Further down the linked article the following appears (my bolding):

“We now understand the cause of the derailment. A small number of
fastenings holding the track to the rail gave way causing
track spread and the two rails were pushed apart.”

I thought track and rail were synonymous?  ???  Can anyone expand on what he might mean?

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on February 06, 2020, 19:03:57
Further down the linked article the following appears (my bolding):

“We now understand the cause of the derailment. A small number of
fastenings holding the track to the rail gave way causing
track spread and the two rails were pushed apart.”

I thought track and rail were synonymous?  ???  Can anyone expand on what he might mean?

Paul

It was explained on TV as being a bolt (though it must have been several) holding a chair to a sleeper.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: bradshaw on February 06, 2020, 19:59:17
This is a photo taken from one of NR Wessex’s Twitter feed. It shows some of the fixings at the site
(https://twitter.com/networkrailwssx/status/1224221638654406657?s=21)


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on February 06, 2020, 20:37:37
This is a photo taken from one of NR Wessex’s Twitter feed. It shows some of the fixings at the site
(https://twitter.com/networkrailwssx/status/1224221638654406657?s=21)

I take that to be damage caused by the derailed wagons, which must be "downstream" of the original derailment site where, we are now told, there was gauge spread due to missing or broken chair bolts.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: SandTEngineer on February 06, 2020, 20:37:46
Interesting to note that NR were aware of the gauge spread on those points as you can see at least three gauge tiebars and the identifying X painted on the sleepers: https://t.co/WT6UZQzkUw?amp=1


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: SandTEngineer on February 10, 2020, 10:26:42
RAIB Investigation announced: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/freight-train-derailment-at-eastleigh?utm_source=5564eb3b-e575-4c28-aa70-c16ca59187fb&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate

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Freight train derailment at Eastleigh, Hampshire, 28 January 2020

Published 10 February 2020
From: Rail Accident Investigation Branch

At around 11:31 hrs on 28 January 2020, a freight train derailed on a set of points just south of Eastleigh station. The train was travelling at about 12 mph (19 km/h) at the time, and was running from the down slow line, through a crossover which led to the down fast line. The locomotive became partly derailed and then re-railed itself, and some of the wheels on four of the following five wagons also became derailed, causing significant damage to the track in the process. The driver stopped the train before the remaining 25 wagons reached the damaged track. Nobody was injured, but the track and signalling equipment was severely damaged and there was extensive disruption to services on the south western main line for the following six days.

The RAIB’s preliminary examination found that a series of rail fastenings, intended to maintain the correct distance between the rails, had broken. Initial evidence suggests that some of these were already broken before the derailment. Consequently, as the freight train passed over the points, the rails moved apart and the train wheels dropped into the space between the rails.

Our investigation will identify the sequence of events which led to the incident. It will also consider:

the design and installation of the rail fastenings

the industry’s response to previous problems identified with the fastenings during their service life

any underlying factors


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: SandTEngineer on February 25, 2020, 14:30:55
Some photographs of the track replacement work, on the Cornwall Railway Society website, down the page here: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on February 25, 2020, 19:12:02
Some photographs of the track replacement work, on the Cornwall Railway Society website, down the page here: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc
For anyone who hasn’t picked up on it from other forums, they’ve actually only repaired half the defect, the route from P3, (the Portsmouth loop), to the down main is still not available.   AFAICT that doesn’t lose too much functionality, but it still isn’t 100%.   

Probably another short notice weekend closure still to be decided...

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on March 04, 2021, 23:21:06
RAIB published their report into this incident today (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/report-022021-freight-train-derailment-at-eastleigh).

The cause was fractures in the "shoulders" that hold the track fastening clips, which were not picked up during inspections mainly because the breaks were out of sight inside the sleeper, and the shoulders still in place. The track inspection trains would have detected the resulting deflection, except for the fact that they didn't travel over this crossover: there are bound to be some bits of trackwork left untraversed. Not easy, PW inspection, is it?

One unusual feature was that PW staff were inspecting track right next to this location at the time, and:
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25 The train had reached 12 mph (19 km/h) as it arrived at the crossover. The front bogie of the locomotive passed over the switch rails5 (figure 5) of 450A points without incident. As the locomotive passed over the closure rails,6 the lateral forces it exerted (see paragraph 78) caused the rails to spread apart, and the failure of additional fastenings (figure 5). This caused all of the locomotive’s wheels to drop into the now-widened gap between the rails and to derail. One of the fastenings flew out as it failed and almost struck one of the infrastructure maintenance staff.

Was that a "learning point" for someone?


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on March 08, 2022, 20:10:20
There's been another of those big ol' engines (59205) come off the track in Eastleight Yard. I heard about it on the BBC local news at lunchtime, where they also said it wasn't affecting passenger services (hence I thought not worth a new thread). Someone was on hand to take some pictures (https://youtu.be/ZIL7PizCHWs), I think from the road bridge and the station (so the train is in the LHS sidings). 


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: stuving on March 14, 2022, 12:41:54
I know it wasn't in the way of much, but taking five or six days is still on the leisurely side. I guess that's mainly because they rerailied the loco on the next track across (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sparrowhawk7/51938227250/). All the wagons bar one still being worked on are moved too, and you can see the track they were on is a bit wobbly. That's presumably why it was not suitable for rerailing onto.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on March 14, 2022, 13:30:48
I suppose given the location there was absolutely no urgency required? 

I think there’s quite a wide fan of parallel sidings there that possibly meant they could operate fairly normally around the problem, so I’d be assuming they didn’t work 24/7 on this problem?

Paul


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: RichT54 on March 15, 2022, 09:05:37
Is this another freight derailment at/near Eastleigh today?

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Disruption between Fareham and Eastleigh

What's going on
Due to a low speed derailment in a depot between Fareham and Eastleigh the line towards Eastleigh is blocked. Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


What We're Doing About It
We have been informed of a low speed derailment of a freight train within a depot between Fareham and Eastleigh. This means that the line towards Eastleigh is blocked and trains are unable to call at Botley and Hedge End when travelling towards London. From approximately 09:30 trains will also not call at Botley and Hedge End when travelling towards Portsmouth.

Until further notice the following alterations will be necessary:
Trains from Fareham to Eastleigh will be diverted via Southampton Central and may not call at some other stations
From approximately 09:30 trains from Eastleigh to Fareham will be diverted via Southampton Central

To assist you with your journey your ticket will be accepted, at no extra cost to yourself, on the following services:
Xelabus routes X4 and X9 in the affected area

We have arranged replacement buses to run on the following routes:
Fareham - Eastleigh in both directions (ETA 08:30)

For further information or onward travel advice please speak to a member of staff or use a station help point.

We are very sorry for any delay that this may cause to your journey.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on March 15, 2022, 10:50:33
Is this another freight derailment at/near Eastleigh today?

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Disruption between Fareham and Eastleigh

What's going on
Due to a low speed derailment in a depot between Fareham and Eastleigh the line towards Eastleigh is blocked. Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


What We're Doing About It
We have been informed of a low speed derailment of a freight train within a depot between Fareham and Eastleigh. This means that the line towards Eastleigh is blocked and trains are unable to call at Botley and Hedge End when travelling towards London. From approximately 09:30 trains will also not call at Botley and Hedge End when travelling towards Portsmouth.

Until further notice the following alterations will be necessary:
Trains from Fareham to Eastleigh will be diverted via Southampton Central and may not call at some other stations
From approximately 09:30 trains from Eastleigh to Fareham will be diverted via Southampton Central

To assist you with your journey your ticket will be accepted, at no extra cost to yourself, on the following services:
Xelabus routes X4 and X9 in the affected area

We have arranged replacement buses to run on the following routes:
Fareham - Eastleigh in both directions (ETA 08:30)

For further information or onward travel advice please speak to a member of staff or use a station help point.

We are very sorry for any delay that this may cause to your journey.

From the description I think that’s the south loop exit from the traction depot, that feeds in on the up side alongside the very south end of the works, just before the double track Botley line is singled for the approach to the junction.  (Over simplified in the 1980s, IMHO.)


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: bradshaw on March 15, 2022, 11:11:31
Photo from NR Wessex on Twitter, looks like it might have fallen foul of the trap point (circled)

https://twitter.com/networkrailwssx/status/1503663668986265603?s=21


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on March 15, 2022, 12:12:36
Following the Twitter link there’s now a photo of the loco, and I agree it’s leaving south yard - the works is visible on the left. 

So that casts some doubt on the original report, it’s not the traction depot entry/exit, although that might have been the eventual destination.  I also can’t fathom why the effect on the Botley line was then different for up and down traffic…

Then NRES reckons up and down trains are being diverted via Southampton Central, but I doubt that’s correct, as the times being reported on RTT don’t allow for that to have happened.

When the Botley line is blocked they usually reverse the trains at a shunt signal on the lines just south of St Denys alongside the river.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: bradshaw on March 15, 2022, 12:47:06
Possibly closed because of damage to the signalling for that direction, later closed for recovery of loco.


Title: Re: Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.
Post by: paul7575 on March 15, 2022, 14:45:47
Possibly closed because of damage to the signalling for that direction, later closed for recovery of loco.
Still seems odd, as it’s reduced to a single line at that point why would a signal problem only manifest itself in one direction?  In fact would use of catch points normally damage the signalling, or just set it to red?



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