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Title: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: grahame on February 01, 2020, 04:17:14 pm
From my inbox - from Extinction Rebellion UK

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The truth is out about the climate and ecological emergency and the stakes have never been higher. It’s time for us to come together this year with renewed strength and focus.

Over the past few months we've listened to rebel voices, heard from experts and gathered insights. Next week, the XR UK 2020 Strategy will be released. 

In 2020, we need to do things differently. Expect something bolder, more creative and more innovative than ever before.

But for now, save 23rd May 2020 in your diary. Book time off and think big.

I have posted this for you diaries - whether you want to join in their activities, replan you day to avoid disruptions, or go ahead with a normal day on principle ... the Coffee Shop has brought you the date.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: ChrisB on February 01, 2020, 05:21:26 pm
FA Cup Final isn’t it?


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 02, 2020, 07:22:08 am
Thanks for the heads up, I'll make sure the water cannon is ready in good time!


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on February 02, 2020, 02:24:47 pm
If they hold a "die in" as is traditional at such events, is there not a risk that protestors lying down and pretending to be dead, could be confused with people who have actually died from coronavirus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo (ftp://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 02, 2020, 03:47:04 pm
If they hold a "die in" as is traditional at such events, is there not a risk that protestors lying down and pretending to be dead, could be confused with people who have actually died from coronavirus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo (ftp://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo)
Or spectators who have been overcome by the excitement of the occasion.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 02, 2020, 05:11:30 pm
If they hold a "die in" as is traditional at such events, is there not a risk that protestors lying down and pretending to be dead, could be confused with people who have actually died from coronavirus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo (ftp://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo)
Or spectators who have been overcome by the excitement of the occasion.

Is that a new euphamism for blind drunk?

.)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 02, 2020, 07:59:55 pm
If they hold a "die in" as is traditional at such events, is there not a risk that protestors lying down and pretending to be dead, could be confused with people who have actually died from coronavirus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo (ftp://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZBTs4VPfo)
Or spectators who have been overcome by the excitement of the occasion.

Is that a new euphamism for blind drunk?

.)
It all depends how good the match is.  ;)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: grahame on May 06, 2020, 06:36:04 am
From my inbox - from Extinction Rebellion UK

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But for now, save 23rd May 2020 in your diary. Book time off and think big.

I have posted this for you diaries - whether you want to join in their activities, replan you day to avoid disruptions, or go ahead with a normal day on principle ... the Coffee Shop has brought you the date.

I have removed this date from our diary; events have rather overtaken us.  There's a degree of irony that a different extinction risk has overtaken us since this thread was started ... and some of the climate issues have been helped along - perhaps in a temporary way - due to that immediate "extinction risk".


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Electric train on May 06, 2020, 07:00:02 am
From my inbox - from Extinction Rebellion UK

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But for now, save 23rd May 2020 in your diary. Book time off and think big.

I have posted this for you diaries - whether you want to join in their activities, replan you day to avoid disruptions, or go ahead with a normal day on principle ... the Coffee Shop has brought you the date.

I have removed this date from our diary; events have rather overtaken us.  There's a degree of irony that a different extinction risk has overtaken us since this thread was started ... and some of the climate issues have been helped along - perhaps in a temporary way - due to that immediate "extinction risk".

There would be no messing from the Police this year as the social distancing and large gatherings will remain as emergency powers, hence the Police will have no hesitation in arresting protesters under the emergency powers.   Also whilst in London and other large cities the public have just work around the annoyance there would be little acceptance if a protest got in the current way of life which made difficult due to the Covid 19 measures


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 06, 2020, 07:21:35 am
One of the few positives from the current situation is that we'll be spared the activities of this mob I guess.

Quite enough dying going on without their ridiculous theatricals, and they cause enough disruption to the emergency services at the best of times.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Phantom on May 06, 2020, 01:40:58 pm
One of the few positives from the current situation is that we'll be spared the activities of this mob I guess.

Quite enough dying going on without their ridiculous theatricals, and they cause enough disruption to the emergency services at the best of times.

Shame the police didn't take that attitude with the protests in Glastonbury over the past few weeks.
Took until the third day of protests and lots more media coverage before the police stopped standing by watching and started arresting and moving people on


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 06, 2020, 06:04:19 pm
...the public have just work around the annoyance...

...or joined the protests!


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Phantom on May 07, 2020, 01:30:39 pm
These kind of groups will benefit from the current lockdown

It will give them a way of changing the way they demonstrate etc without losing face
They were clearly falling foul of public backing over their recent protests


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 23, 2021, 06:38:08 pm
Any thoughts on what XR might get up to in the next couple of weeks of action?


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 23, 2021, 08:31:25 pm
Any thoughts on what XR might get up to in the next couple of weeks of action?

Having seen the state of some of those parading around London today, I'd hope bathing is factored into it at some point soon.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 23, 2021, 11:41:03 pm
Any thoughts on what XR might get up to in the next couple of weeks of action?

Having seen the state of some of those parading around London today, I'd hope bathing is factored into it at some point soon.

Only with rainwater, either cold or heated with solar energy.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284276480275?hash=item423032d913:g:wHgAAOSw-91g-Wfx (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284276480275?hash=item423032d913:g:wHgAAOSw-91g-Wfx)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on August 24, 2021, 10:30:05 am
Any thoughts on what XR might get up to in the next couple of weeks of action?

Just another round of alienating ordinary people and putting them off the climate change discussion. For the XR leadership, the true objective is to destabilise the justice system, and therefore society in general, by a programme of civil disobedience that overfills the prisons. It isn't working in Belarus or Hong Kong.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 24, 2021, 02:24:38 pm
There does seem to be growing support for extinction rebellion, despite the disruption.
The scale of the recent flooding in Europe, and the number of major forest fires worldwide are arguably concentrating public opinion on climate change.

There is a general view that "direct action" is the way to achieve major change, this may or may not be true, but is widely believed.

A comparison frequently made is with the now much reduced fur trade. Was this achieved by peaceful and democratic means ? No it was not, fire bombs in shops selling fur coats did the job.

Most people whom I know are concerned by climate change and believe that something should be done. Far fewer are willing to make significant changes to THEIR OWN life styles.
Joining a protest is far easier than giving up flying and driving, and reducing home energy use.



Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Reading General on August 24, 2021, 03:55:11 pm
I think the point is that government action is required, the time for pointing fingers at individuals is over. Take domestic plastic use for example, if companies and retailers didn’t have the option of that packaging then we wouldn’t have to sort through it at home. Or travel, if we had money spent on other options of transport then we wouldn’t drive cars. Because of the policies of the past 40 years many of the other ways of doing things aren’t available anymore. This country as a whole just isn’t willing to admit it was a mistake….. yet!

This government’s current thinking is that the decision should be by the individual rather than changes in policies. It’s still treated like the debate of climate change happening or not is ongoing. By disruption, Extinction Rebellion keep this point in the government, industry’s and the public’s eye. If they didn’t then we would get complacent again and sit around waiting for electric cars to become affordable believing that’s all we have to do. People will not change if the option isn’t available. The disruption is negligible in comparison to the disruptive world that our children and grandchildren may experience when they grow old, and the disruption is well advertised so you can either join in or avoid it. I would personally encourage joining in, even if this is simply accepting what a group of people want to do to campaign make our lives better. You may not like their tactics but nobody joining extinction rebellion is obliged to join in with civil disobedience.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: ChrisB on August 24, 2021, 05:34:44 pm
I think the point is - most accept that they have a right to demonstrate, but not for a fortnight. Maybe a day in each city, but a fortnight screwing up Londoners right to go about their business also is over the top.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 24, 2021, 05:36:31 pm
Not just government action on a national scale, it won't really be effective unless it's on a global scale.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Timmer on August 24, 2021, 05:40:50 pm
I think the point is - most accept that they have a right to demonstrate, but not for a fortnight. Maybe a day in each city, but a fortnight screwing up Londoners right to go about their business also is over the top.
I really don’t see how p*****g people off is going to change people’s attitude towards climate change. I think it has the opposite effect.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Reading General on August 24, 2021, 06:25:45 pm
Not just government action on a national scale, it won't really be effective unless it's on a global scale.

Of course. That’s why Extinction Rebellion is an international organisation, but here we can only lobby our own government to change their policies. If they change, this will of course will have a knock on effect to other countries as like it or not we are still an influence on the world, although I’m not sure why. Much like it’s time to stop pointing the finger at individuals and their carbon footprint (an idea created by an oil company), it’s also time to stop blaming the rest of the world for the reason not to adapt your own country.

Traffic is just as disruptive to me if we are down to an individual level, it p***es me off  in it and passing it on foot or bicycle, but I realise there is a bigger picture that others are a factor of, including myself. Additionally, disruption comes in many positive and negative forms. The Reading festival is disruption for a few days and I avoid the town, it doesn’t mean I want to see an end to it being put on (although I personally feel this year isn’t necessary for obvious reasons). Football every other Saturday could be disruptive for those not at the game but would they want to see the end of it (possibly if they’re a Headington United, Aldersh*t or Swinedon fan). The point is not to change an individuals mind on climate change as it’s already a factor involved in our lives, the point is continued pressure on the government to change for the better. If some don’t like the disruption of Extinction Rebellion lobby your MP to change the government’s outlook on climate change.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: grahame on August 24, 2021, 10:09:10 pm
I think the point is - most accept that they have a right to demonstrate, but not for a fortnight. Maybe a day in each city, but a fortnight screwing up Londoners right to go about their business also is over the top.
I really don’t see how p*****g people off is going to change people’s attitude towards climate change. I think it has the opposite effect.

Thought. Extinction Rebellion have a nightmare choice to make. Climate change is so fundamental that the issue needs almost beating into people. In practice, though, it can't be beaten in and has to be taken as far as it can be before it turns negative.  So where is that line that takes a campaign that's a good and heavily pressed one into an irritant that has negative effect when repeated yet AGAIN.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 24, 2021, 10:37:46 pm
The best XR stunt in my view was the floating of a partially submerged house down the Thames.

The worst in my view was climbing on top of an underground train. Electric public transport should be encouraged.

The best statement in my view in the current protest
"SOME PEOPLE OBJECT TO ROAD CLOSURES,
SOME PEOPLE IN GERMANY DONT HAVE ROADS"
With a picture of a town in Germany, including the roads destroyed by flooding.

Cant find a link to it.
 
Wording above is reliant on my memory and might not be totally accurate, but certainly similar.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 25, 2021, 10:04:03 am
I think the point is - most accept that they have a right to demonstrate, but not for a fortnight. Maybe a day in each city, but a fortnight screwing up Londoners right to go about their business also is over the top.
I really don’t see how p*****g people off is going to change people’s attitude towards climate change. I think it has the opposite effect.

Thought. Extinction Rebellion have a nightmare choice to make. Climate change is so fundamental that the issue needs almost beating into people. In practice, though, it can't be beaten in and has to be taken as far as it can be before it turns negative.  So where is that line that takes a campaign that's a good and heavily pressed one into an irritant that has negative effect when repeated yet AGAIN.

Oh dear. Nightmare choices indeed.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/outrage-after-extinction-rebellion-founder-reveals-what-car-she-drives/


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Reading General on August 25, 2021, 10:30:08 am
This is pointing fingers at individuals similar to further up the thread and avoiding discussing changes in policy. We all contribute in some way to damaging the climate, it cannot be avoided because of circumstances. It’s not anyone’s fault, it’s a world we have been brought into. By suggesting somebody is not practicing what they preach is completely missing the point. It’s simply media diversion and point scoring to highlight the ‘you’re not changing so why should I’ debate that has rattled on for decades delaying what we know is happening, because people are under the impression it will take away privilege. This is something we are all in together, not a select few who can afford to be green if they choose to. The subject of climate change by now should not be political. We should be debating how to change, not deciding who’s doing the right or wrong thing. This is attempting to divide and pit the public against each other, which is what the media do best in this country.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Timmer on August 25, 2021, 10:54:41 am
Thought. Extinction Rebellion have a nightmare choice to make. Climate change is so fundamental that the issue needs almost beating into people. In practice, though, it can't be beaten in and has to be taken as far as it can be before it turns negative.  So where is that line that takes a campaign that's a good and heavily pressed one into an irritant that has negative effect when repeated yet AGAIN.
With Covid and Afghanistan dominating the headlines, the timing hasn’t been great if they are looking for the kind of publicity similar to what they received in 2019. Yes I know these things take months of planning so how would you know what events are in the news. Though it was kind of obvious that Covid would still be.

The police appear to be a bit more proactive this time around moving the protests on even though the current laws mean that they have to police the protests with one hand tied behind their back. Outside of London, many probably won’t even know protests are taking place.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: ChrisB on August 25, 2021, 11:05:18 am
This is something we are all in together, not a select few who can afford to be green if they choose to. The subject of climate change by now should not be political. We should be debating how to change, not deciding who’s doing the right or wrong thing. This is attempting to divide and pit the public against each other, which is what the media do best in this country.

Can't agree more with this - shame XR aren't doing more in that direction.

Outside of London, many probably won’t even know protests are taking place.

Quite. If XR want to make their point heard, better get around the country then, rather than concentrate in just one conurbation. Along with idiotic protests like climbing on elecric public transport, they aren't doing themselves any favours in getting the public onside.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 25, 2021, 11:18:20 am
It is regrettable that they drive a diesel car and even more regrettable that they flew 11,000 miles for a holiday. Like many, they claim not to be able to afford an electric car. Would NOT taking the the holiday have paid for an EV ?

And yes, wider policies ARE more important than pointing the finger at one person, but founders of XR should perhaps set an example.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 26, 2021, 04:02:19 am
About 200 people arrested so far at extinction rebellion protests.
Giant pink table removed. Small pink structure erected at Oxford circus.
It all looks rather low key so far, but of course something more spectacular may be planned for the holiday weekend.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on August 26, 2021, 08:23:17 pm
I didn't realise that anything was still happening.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 27, 2021, 04:18:23 am
I didn't realise that anything was still happening.

Nothing much IS happening at present. Not sure if the protest has petered out, or if they are planning something else for the holiday weekend.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Phantom on August 27, 2021, 10:30:39 am
I didn't realise that anything was still happening.

Nothing much IS happening at present. Not sure if the protest has petered out, or if they are planning something else for the holiday weekend.

Shame yesterday they took their demonstration to the fountains outside Buckingham Palace, red dye in the fountains and red paint over the monuments....... yet again they have crossed the line


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on August 27, 2021, 11:39:47 am
Shame yesterday they took their demonstration to the fountains outside Buckingham Palace, red dye in the fountains and red paint over the monuments....... yet again they have crossed the line

I think it possible that the almost total lack of coverage of the various antics has forced them to acts of wanton vandalism against public property in a desperate attempt to get some attention. The news agenda is pretty full at the moment.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Witham Bobby on August 27, 2021, 11:47:07 am
Tom Slater at Spiked puts it all rather well ...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/08/26/extinction-rebellion-doesnt-care-what-you-think/?utm_source=Today+on+spiked&utm_campaign=959182004d-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2021_08_26_03_42&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b6dc1b7df1-959182004d-99427646



Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 27, 2021, 12:05:36 pm
Shame yesterday they took their demonstration to the fountains outside Buckingham Palace, red dye in the fountains and red paint over the monuments....... yet again they have crossed the line

I think it possible that the almost total lack of coverage of the various antics has forced them to acts of wanton vandalism against public property in a desperate attempt to get some attention. The news agenda is pretty full at the moment.

Was not aware of the protest outside Buckingham palace, due to the lack of reporting of same.
And yes I agree that they are looking a bit desperate to get some attention.

This time of year was known as the "silly season" when not much happens and the papers contained only gossip and odd reports about two headed snakes, and dogs giving birth to kittens.
This year however Afghanistan  has provided real news and crowded out most of the froth.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on August 27, 2021, 08:35:00 pm
There is a report in my paper today - slightly more than I first realised, on page 10. Afghanistan occupies the first 7 pages. Other items of greater importance followed, including a photograph of a vintage tractor collection, news of a lack of blood collection tubes, and a report of a vital medical study into whether size matters. Climate change then got two reports, one about the XR folks being upset about the royals mistreating animals, and one about climate change being more of a worry than it was last year, but not among younger people so much.

If the plan was to hit the front pages, it has failed. Bit disappointing.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Rhydgaled on August 29, 2021, 11:33:50 am
It is regrettable that they drive a diesel car and even more regrettable that they flew 11,000 miles for a holiday. Like many, they claim not to be able to afford an electric car. Would NOT taking the the holiday have paid for an EV ?

And yes, wider policies ARE more important than pointing the finger at one person, but founders of XR should perhaps set an example.

Diesel cars are more fuel-efficient than petrol are they not, so a diesel is a lower-CO2 choice than an equivalent petrol vehicle? Note that I said 'equivalent' - a heavy diesel SUV is probably going to get through more fuel than a lightweight petrol family car. Yes the particulates and NOX from diesel vehicles kill people, but in terms of climate change does the increased NOX (which I believe are greenhouse gasses) from a diesel outweigh the reduced CO2?

Flying on holiday though? That I cannot defend, prominent members of XR really should be setting an example by not flying.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on August 29, 2021, 04:26:45 pm
Diesel cars are indeed preferable to petrol on global warming grounds. A liter of petrol or a liter of diesel emit about the same carbon dioxide when burnt.
But diesel engines are more efficient, so the liter of diesel fuel will take the vehicle a greater distance.

Diesel engines do unfortunately emit more fine particles and other pollutants, these are of negligible GLOBAL significance but can have serious local health effects.

Both should whenever possible be replaced by cycling, walking or electric vehicles for local journeys and by trains for greater distances.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on September 24, 2021, 12:46:06 pm
This sort of thing is becoming popular,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58676610 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58676610)

Whilst not claiming to be XR, this lot are in my view very similar.
Last week they repeatedly blocked motorways, and a court injunction was granted to deter repetition of such tactics. So now blocking port of Dover.



Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 24, 2021, 12:58:35 pm
I read elsewhere that Insulate Britain was started by one of the founders of XR.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on September 24, 2021, 01:03:13 pm
I read elsewhere that Insulate Britain was started by one of the founders of XR.

Was not aware of that but it certainly sounds probable in view of the similarities.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 01:26:07 pm
I read elsewhere that Insulate Britain was started by one of the founders of XR.

Was not aware of that but it certainly sounds probable in view of the similarities.

One is a retired Bristol GP, whose name eludes me for the moment. I'm glad she never had any of my vital organs in her hands, but you never know, do you? They split from XR because they didn't think it was aggressive enough in its methods. One of their plans is to have lots of their members in prison in time for COP26, and I am very much in favour of that, even if s lot of them do look rather elderly. I think they would enjoy their time behind bars, especially if they are still glued to the bit of M25 that was chiselled up to get them away quickly.

I am very much in favour of insulation, too, and have rather a lot of it myself. I also put loads in my previous home, all of which was extremely cheap at B&Q or Wickes. I believe there are already plenty of schemes to help those who can't do the work themselves, so I am not sure what the fuss is all about.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: ChrisB on September 24, 2021, 01:40:59 pm
Frankly, there are more pressing actions needed that will cut emmissions far sooner & quicker than insulation. I wonder why they chose this action?


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on September 24, 2021, 03:49:23 pm
Frankly, there are more pressing actions needed that will cut emmissions far sooner & quicker than insulation. I wonder why they chose this action?

Are there ? Insulation of existing structures is often said to be one of quickest and  easiest options to reduce carbon emissions.
And opposed by almost no one.

Other options are in general more expensive, slower to implement, and subject to the NIMBY factor.



Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 03:51:50 pm
Speaking of action, meet consequence. From the Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/james-brown-extinction-rebellion-southwark-crown-court-northern-ireland-london-city-airport-b957137.html):
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Climate protesters warned of ‘serious consequences’ as ex-Paralympian jailed
James Brown superglued himself to the top of a plane on behalf of the Extinction Rebellion group.


(https://static.standard.co.uk/2021/09/24/12/5532212b544077c535e9942f3f160767Y29udGVudHNlYXJjaGFwaSwxNjMyNTY5NjU2-2.46245909.jpg?width=990&auto=webp&quality=75&crop=968%3A645%2Csmart)
Paralympian James Brown lying top of a British Airways plane at City Airport, London (Extinction Rebellion/PA) / PA Media
By Henry Vaughan


A judge has warned protesters who disrupt people’s lives they “will face serious consequences” as he jailed a former Paralympic athlete who superglued himself to the roof of a British Airways plane.

Judge Gregory Perrins said Extinction Rebellion activist James Brown 56, who has been registered blind since birth, “cynically used” his disability and put his “own life at risk” to carry out the stunt at London City Airport on October 10 2019.

The double gold medallist, from Exeter, climbed on to the plane, which was destined for Amsterdam, before gluing his right hand to the aircraft and wedging his mobile phone in the door to prevent it from closing.

Northern Ireland-born Brown, who represented Great Britain in cycling and athletics before going on to represent Ireland in cross-country skiing, livestreamed the protest until he was removed after an hour.

Southwark Crown Court heard a total of 337 passengers had their flights cancelled, missing birthday celebrations, important business meetings and family events, with the disruption costing the airline around £40,000.
(Continues at source)

Whilst I am sure that Mr Brown acted out of a deeply held personal conviction, I find it sad that he has fallen for the hype and acted in this way. It is most unlikely to have achieved anything, except possibly a strengthening of police powers, and I wonder if he had considered the damage it will do to his career. I work with disabled people, and have a certificate of my past prison sentences (or lack of) from the Disclosure and Barring Service of the Home Office. He is going to find it hard to pay BA's costs without a job.

Frankly, there are more pressing actions needed that will cut emmissions far sooner & quicker than insulation. I wonder why they chose this action?

Are there ? Insulation of existing structures is often said to be one of quickest and  easiest options to reduce carbon emissions.
And opposed by almost no one.

Other options are in general more expensive, slower to implement, and subject to the NIMBY factor.

A very accurate point. I personally have lots of insulation in my house. I wouldn't be without it. I urge anybody who doesn't have enough to nip down to a DIY store, buy some, and throw it in the attic. A shame you didn't do it when it was being subsidised, but you'll still get your money back soon enough. A shame too that you didn't do it before the Green Homes Grant scheme closed in March - I don't recall XR or anybody shouting about it during protests prior to then.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 24, 2021, 04:05:18 pm
Careful Tony, knowing Broadgage's attitude to aviation, you might be giving him ideas!  ;)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 04:11:26 pm
Careful Tony, knowing Broadgage's attitude to aviation, you might be giving him ideas!  ;)

That worries me, but only slightly. He's a sensible sort. Just don't let him know that I flew to Jersey and back recently. On an A320, not an Embraer ERJ-190 like the one Mr Brown stuck himself to. Apparently, Airbuses have a less adhesive finish. You would expect the Brazilians to be smoother.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Lee on September 24, 2021, 04:20:06 pm
Speaking of action, meet consequence. From the Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/james-brown-extinction-rebellion-southwark-crown-court-northern-ireland-london-city-airport-b957137.html):
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Climate protesters warned of ‘serious consequences’ as ex-Paralympian jailed
James Brown superglued himself to the top of a plane on behalf of the Extinction Rebellion group.


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Paralympian James Brown lying top of a British Airways plane at City Airport, London (Extinction Rebellion/PA) / PA Media
By Henry Vaughan


A judge has warned protesters who disrupt people’s lives they “will face serious consequences” as he jailed a former Paralympic athlete who superglued himself to the roof of a British Airways plane.

Judge Gregory Perrins said Extinction Rebellion activist James Brown 56, who has been registered blind since birth, “cynically used” his disability and put his “own life at risk” to carry out the stunt at London City Airport on October 10 2019.

The double gold medallist, from Exeter, climbed on to the plane, which was destined for Amsterdam, before gluing his right hand to the aircraft and wedging his mobile phone in the door to prevent it from closing.

Northern Ireland-born Brown, who represented Great Britain in cycling and athletics before going on to represent Ireland in cross-country skiing, livestreamed the protest until he was removed after an hour.


So are you saying that James Brown managed to get up (get on up) but had to stay on the scene?


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on September 24, 2021, 04:34:19 pm
Careful Tony, knowing Broadgage's attitude to aviation, you might be giving him ideas!  ;)

I have no intention of climbing atop an aircraft.
I have SOME sympathy with those who do, but have no intention of joining in. Too old, too fat, too stiff, and also reasonably law abiding.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on September 24, 2021, 06:57:51 pm

I have no intention of climbing atop an aircraft.
I have SOME sympathy with those who do, but have no intention of joining in. Too old, too fat, too stiff, and also reasonably law abiding.


And besides, there aren't many A380s around just now.

(Sorry!)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: eightonedee on September 24, 2021, 10:17:11 pm
My scepticism about these groups doing anything to promote the measures needed to mitigate climate change grows.

Lots of headlines and news time about disruption and stunts that do nothing to reduce carbon emissions.

In the meantime no-one can find newsroom time to hold Grant Shapps to account for not announcing an accelerated campaign to electrify the too large proportion of the UK rail system that remains unelectrified to follow up BoJo's sermons on climate change.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on September 25, 2021, 11:02:04 am
In the meantime no-one can find newsroom time to hold Grant Shapps to account for not announcing an accelerated campaign to electrify the too large proportion of the UK rail system that remains unelectrified to follow up BoJo's sermons on climate change.

I suppose one could say that doing so with our current generating (no pun intended) equipment would mean that we would be swapping diesel for gas. It would still be a lot better overall, though, and a step in the right direction.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on September 25, 2021, 07:59:11 pm
UK electricity whether for railway or other purposes already contains significant renewably generated power. Not just wind but also solar and hydroelectric power.
The year round average is variously reported as being from 40% to 50%.
This percentage is liable to increase for two reasons, firstly growing concerns about climate change, and secondly the current high price of natural gas is shifting the economic argument away from gas and towards renewables.

Diesel fuel by contrast is about 95% fossil fuel, and doubts exist as to the environmental merits of the other 5%.

So railway electrification is a good thing now, and will get still better.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: TonyK on September 26, 2021, 07:21:17 pm
UK electricity whether for railway or other purposes already contains significant renewably generated power. Not just wind but also solar and hydroelectric power.
The year round average is variously reported as being from 40% to 50%.
This percentage is liable to increase for two reasons, firstly growing concerns about climate change, and secondly the current high price of natural gas is shifting the economic argument away from gas and towards renewables.

Diesel fuel by contrast is about 95% fossil fuel, and doubts exist as to the environmental merits of the other 5%.

So railway electrification is a good thing now, and will get still better.

I might question the figures, but I can't question the merits of electrifying the whole rail network.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: broadgage on September 30, 2021, 11:02:02 am
Motorway protests continue, by "insulate Britain" an offshoot of XR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58721909 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58721909)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion UK - May 2020
Post by: Lee on October 13, 2021, 12:32:58 pm
Motorway protests continue, by "insulate Britain" an offshoot of XR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58721909 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-58721909)

And taking an interesting new twist...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/insulate-britain-m25-protester-married-153959335.html

Quote from: Yahoo News
Insulate Britain: M25 protester is married to Transport for London boss

An Insulate Britain protester who had to be removed by police from the roof of a DLR train was revealed on Tuesday to be the wife of a Transport for London boss.

Cathy Eastburn, 54, has also been arrested several times for blocking the M25 and is reportedly one of Britain’s most prolific climate activists.

Her husband Ben Plowden, 58, was a director in TfL’s surface transport team and previously a leading environmental campaigner with the charity Living Streets. In 2019, she was twice arrested taking part in Extinction Rebellion protests, including an incident when she glued herself to a DLR train, The Sun reported.

Last month she was involved in similar stunts on the M25 and at Heathrow for Insulate Britain.

Mr Plowden has spent the past 20 years as a TfL director and most recently has been overseeing plans to adapt its buildings to changing work practices resulting from the pandemic.

TfL said on Tuesday that he was leaving the organisation at the end of the month. His departure is said to be unrelated to the revelations about his wife.

A TfL spokeswoman said: “We do not comment on the activities of the families of our staff.”

The High Court was on Tuesday set to review injunctions issued over the past fortnight preventing protesters targeting the M25, TfL red routes and the Port of Dover.



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