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Title: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on February 18, 2020, 17:08:16
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Cancellations to services between Salisbury and Romsey
Due to a landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines towards Romsey are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or revised. Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Replacement Road Transport is in operation.
CrossCountry and South Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
Great Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

Tweet from BBC South Today’s Paul Clifton:
https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1229806827589820416?s=21
Includes a couple of pictures.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on February 18, 2020, 17:21:37
Latest on this from Network Rail Wessex Twitter Feed including more pics:
https://twitter.com/networkrailwssx/status/1229803513389211655?s=21

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It's been confirmed that there is significant damage to the embankment, with substantial repair work needed to re-open one of the two lines. We are now working on a plan to use the other line.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: RA on February 18, 2020, 19:59:47
The location is just the Romsey side of Milford curve, where the line runs out on an embankment at the start of the climb up to Alderbury. There was a defect reported a month or two ago where the Up Dean line was reported to be slightly out of alignment. Earthwork engineers attended and reported issues with the embankment. A 20 mph ESR was put in place on the up line. A full inspection has been impossible as the field at the foot of the up side of the embankment has been flooded since before the initial defect was reported. Following another driver reporting further voiding today, it has been found that the embankment has deteriorated further, resulting in the line being closed completely. This will likely take a long time to repair owing to the flooding at the foot of the embankment.

I have heard that the Down Dean line will be assessed for opening to traffic as a matter of priority for multiple units only with locomotive movements prohibited. This will allow Single Line Working to be implemented between Laverstock South Junction crossover and the East Grimstead ground frame and crossover.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: phile on February 18, 2020, 22:06:44
March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 18, 2020, 22:12:17
March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service can’t operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they don’t it’ll seem as if they’re giving up just a bit too easily...

Paul


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: phile on February 18, 2020, 22:37:19
March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service can’t operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they don’t it’ll seem as if they’re giving up just a bit too easily...

Paul

Could be that the unit will be the wrong side being based at Salisburry


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 18, 2020, 23:27:54
March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service can’t operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they don’t it’ll seem as if they’re giving up just a bit too easily...

Paul

Could be that the unit will be the wrong side being based at Salisburry
Not exactly marooned, it’s only a few months ago they were stabled at Fratton overnight, and they do maintain DMU driver route knowledge Basingstoke to Salisbury via Southampton.

I still think they close down too easily.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 19, 2020, 08:04:38
March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service can’t operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they don’t it’ll seem as if they’re giving up just a bit too easily...

Paul

Could be that the unit will be the wrong side being based at Salisburry
Not exactly marooned, it’s only a few months ago they were stabled at Fratton overnight, and they do maintain DMU driver route knowledge Basingstoke to Salisbury via Southampton.

I still think they close down too easily.

Real Time Trains (for Chandler's Ford) is far from clear - see attachment.  I rather suspect that industry systems have not yet been fully updated.

The "Romsey 6" usually (if it has a usual, what with strikes and embankment slippages - always first to go) starts very earl and finishes very late. An early 4 car service (2 x 158) from Salisbury before the first GWR trains could, perhaps, provide 2 units for a Romsey to Redbridge shuttle in normal timings extended to Totton for a layover in the yard there?   Suggesting an extension to Marchwood (tongue in cheek) would I'm sure not happen because people would start to use it and it would be a major headache as to how they could continue to be served once the trains could go back to Salisbury.  We will, I'm sure, be told that Marchwood couldn't be done because of health and safety, absence from the fares system, lack of route knowledge, not in the budget, no consulation, etc.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 19, 2020, 10:28:56
"Informed sources"

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GWR Portsmouth-Cardiff Trains calling all stations Southampton Central-Salisbury.  Thanks go out to GWR.

Hopefully SWR will run Romsey-Romsey circular via Eastleigh so that Chandlers Ford Swaythling and St Denys get served too.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: SandTEngineer on February 19, 2020, 10:46:27
"Informed sources"

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GWR Portsmouth-Cardiff Trains calling all stations Southampton Central-Salisbury.  Thanks go out to GWR.

Hopefully SWR will run Romsey-Romsey circular via Eastleigh so that Chandlers Ford Swaythling and St Denys get served too.

May be a bit difficult.  Remember that Eastleigh station is still partially OOU due to the freight derailment there.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 19, 2020, 11:31:22
There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because it’s there. 

A few weeks back, before the Eastleigh problems, SWR had a weekend of planned Romsey to Romsey circulars, with GWR running hourly Romsey Portsmouth at the same time.  Maybe though, it’s been realised Millbrook and Redbridge  aren’t actually going to overwhelm the Cardiff trains...

Just seems a very negative way of doing things...



Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on February 19, 2020, 16:33:34

https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/18246205.commuters-face-two-months-travel-disruption-landslide-hits-romsey-salisbury-railway/?ref=rss


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 19, 2020, 21:49:51
There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because it’s there. 

I wasn't sure about turning at Romsey from the Redbridge direction - both in terms of track layout, and whether it would get in the way of something else during its layover.  That's why I went for a known resource to suggest to put the train in to turn it.  Marchwood add-on was deliberately a naughty suggestion.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 19, 2020, 22:04:56
There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because it’s there. 

I wasn't sure about turning at Romsey from the Redbridge direction - both in terms of track layout, and whether it would get in the way of something else during its layover.  That's why I went for a known resource to suggest to put the train in to turn it.  Marchwood add-on was deliberately a naughty suggestion.
Although the route through Chandlers Ford is mostly single, the junctions at either end are conventional double track, so a train from Chandlers Ford arrives at Romsey into the same platform as one from Redbridge, ie Salisbury bound side.

Before the line reopened, I’d assumed that trains from Chandlers Ford would run wrong road into the southbound platform at Romsey, as this would cause less crossing conflicts, but I guess it isn’t a (passenger) signalled move off the branch.

Paul


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2020, 05:21:52
Not even single line working today, it would seem.  Perhaps the problem is worse that thought?

Cardiff - Portsmouth running Cardiff - Salisbury and Romsey - Portsmouth, with buses (GWR and SWR joint) between. 

GWR extras cut back (to Westbury for the most part?),  tickets valid for travel "any reasonable route" on SWR and Reading - Southampton Central on Cross Country.  Presumably any reasonable GWR train too.

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Cancellations to services between Salisbury and Romsey
Due to an earlier landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on February 20, 2020, 06:32:02
For Southampton onwards travel is permitted via Reading.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: bradshaw on February 20, 2020, 08:48:21

From SWR Journey Check this morning

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Engineers have been on site at the landslip and have confirmed there is significant damage to the embankment, with substantial repair work needed. It is expected that it will take up to 2 months to fully repair the railway. We are not currently able to run trains on this route. 


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2020, 08:57:37
National Rail (https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/today.aspx) - updated at 03:10 this morning (20.02.2020) but I suspect not current for replacement trains, as my understanding is a Romsey to Romsey loop ("Romsey 0" not "Romsey 6"?) and GWR calling at Dean and Mottisfont.  Three Rivers CRP and SWR working together on this.

And as I write, looks like both lines closed - whether the problem has spread, or whether that's just for investigation / work to be done remains to be seen.

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Description

A landslip has damaged part of the railway between Salisbury and Romsey resulting in only one of the two lines being open for trains to run. As a consequence of this, fewer trains are able to run and some intermediate stations will not have a train service.
This is expected to continue until Tuesday 31 March.

How is this affecting the train service?
Trains will not call at Dean, Mottisfont & Dunbridge, Redbridge, Millbrook and Chandlers Ford.
Replacement buses will operate as follows:
Salisbury - Southampton in both directions via Redbridge and Millbrook
Romsey - Southampton in both directions via Chandlers Ford and Eastleigh

Alternative travel options:
Great Western Railway customers may use:
CrossCountry between Southampton Central and Reading
South Western Railway via any reasonable route

South Western Railway customers may use:
Great Western Railway via any reasonable route
Southern between Clapham Junction and Gatwick Airport

What's happened?
Engineers have been on site at the landslip and have confirmed there is significant damage to the embankment, with substantial repair work needed. It is expected that it will take up to 2 months to fully repair the railway.

Check before you travel:
You can check your journey using the National Rail Enquiries real-time Journey Planner
You can find the location of your bus replacement by checking station signs or by searching for your station on our station information pages

Twitter:
If you would like to follow this incident on Twitter, please use #Dean


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 20, 2020, 12:00:38
Suggestion in other forums that GWR had found the single line working wasn’t reliable enough, or took too long or something.

I’d have thought it more likely the embankment failure is worse than they thought, unlikely to just neatly affect one side after all...

Paul



Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: fullspeedahead on February 20, 2020, 21:13:41
There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because it’s there. 

A few weeks back, before the Eastleigh problems, SWR had a weekend of planned Romsey to Romsey circulars, with GWR running hourly Romsey Portsmouth at the same time.  Maybe though, it’s been realised Millbrook and Redbridge  aren’t actually going to overwhelm the Cardiff trains...

Just seems a very negative way of doing things...



I think a lot of people are saying this. With the Eastleigh works drawing to a close soon, seems incredible that there will not even be a Romsey "0" until the end of March. Then again, nothing about SWR shocks anyone any more.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on February 21, 2020, 06:27:51
Latest:

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Due to a landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 31/03/20.

Customer Advice
Due to a landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines are blocked. Engineers have been on site at the landslip and have confirmed there is significant damage to the embankment, with substantial repair work needed. It is expected that it will take up to 2 months to fully repair the railway. We are not currently able to run trains between Salisbury and Romsey.

An amended train service will operate. Cardiff Central-Portsmouth Harbour services will terminate/start at Salisbury. Road replacement transport will operate between Salisbury & Romsey/Southampton Central in both directions to connect with the train service either side of the closure.

CrossCountry are conveying passengers between Southampton Central and Reading in both directions until further notice.
South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Salisbury and Southampton Central via Basingstoke in both directions until further notice.
South Western Railway are conveying passengers between Salisbury and Portsmouth Harbour via Basingstoke in both directions until further notice.
Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Romsey and Salisbury in both directions until further notice.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 21, 2020, 16:22:14
There’s talk elsewhere of an SWR Romsey circular service from next week, hopefully coinciding with the Eastleigh track repairs allowing calls there again.  Believe it when I see it...

Paul



Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: froome on February 22, 2020, 08:09:12
For Southampton onwards travel is permitted via Reading.

Is this still the case?

I've just checked the NR website and this says GWR customers may use South-Western services on any reasonable route, but does not make any mention of Cross Country services.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 22, 2020, 10:02:14
For Southampton onwards travel is permitted via Reading.

Is this still the case?

I've just checked the NR website and this says GWR customers may use South-Western services on any reasonable route, but does not make any mention of Cross Country services.
They may have altered the options for the weekend since the earlier list on NRES because XC aren’t running to Southampton now because of the Eastleigh block.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 22, 2020, 19:35:19
Romsey to Romsey SWR services are now showing in RTT for Monday, calling at Eastleigh in both directions, so maybe they are assuming some progress over the weekend.

Also shows certain GWR through services (but with many calls “unadvertised”) so it might still be subject to change.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 24, 2020, 14:23:15
As one door opens, another one slams shut.

I bet no one was assuming that the reinstatement of a Romsey circular (as my previous post) would coincide with GWR cancelling the Portsmouth to Romsey leg...   ???

Paul


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 24, 2020, 14:39:39
Somewhat unclear to me as to what's running and what's not. 

"The Brightons" seem to be running but diverted on departure from Brighton to Portsmouth Harbour instead of Bristol and Great Malvern, which in effect turns them into peak hour relief services for commuter traffic into Brighton and back out - extra diesel trains in what is otherwise a service run entirely with third rail electrics.  Perhaps a 319 awaiting conversion or a 769 not yet passed to run on diesel could release a 158 back from Fratton to help with shortages in "The West" fleet?


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on February 24, 2020, 14:42:07
As one door opens, another one slams shut.

I bet no one was assuming that the reinstatement of a Romsey circular (as my previous post) would coincide with GWR cancelling the Portsmouth to Romsey leg...   ???

Paul
Hmmmm I bet that will go down well with those used to 'fast' services between Southampton and Portsmouth now having to use SWR stoppers.

So what will GWR traincrew based at Fratton be doing for the next two months?


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on February 24, 2020, 14:52:46
Somewhat unclear to me as to what's running and what's not. 

"The Brightons" seem to be running but diverted on departure from Brighton to Portsmouth Harbour instead of Bristol and Great Malvern, which in effect turns them into peak hour relief services for commuter traffic into Brighton and back out - extra diesel trains in what is otherwise a service run entirely with third rail electrics.  Perhaps a 319 awaiting conversion or a 769 not yet passed to run on diesel could release a 158 back from Fratton to help with shortages in "The West" fleet?
Very odd, especially as Southern are running Brighton <> Portsmouth as per their normal timings anyway.   I believe the early Portsmouth to Brighton is considered an important part of morning peak capacity into Brighton, but it’s really only there because of a positioning move from Fratton.  As I’ve said in earlier discussions, capacity into Brighton really ought to be Southerns problem to sort out, GWR should be seen as a welcome bonus.

Paul


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 24, 2020, 15:32:59
Very odd, especially as Southern are running Brighton <> Portsmouth as per their normal timings anyway.   I believe the early Portsmouth to Brighton is considered an important part of morning peak capacity into Brighton, but it’s really only there because of a positioning move from Fratton.  As I’ve said in earlier discussions, capacity into Brighton really ought to be Southerns problem to sort out, GWR should be seen as a welcome bonus.

Paul

I've understood it to be important in to Brighton in the morning as peak capacity provision, then out to Bristol as a through train, south to west.  I've also understood it to be important to franchise revenue calculations, allowing the Great Western franchise to get a share of the Portsmouth, Chichester, Worthing to Hove and Brighton revenue. What are the rules for revenue distribution when a TOC doesn't run its service?


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on February 24, 2020, 20:45:52
My wife is planning to travel from Warminster to Ryde St Johns Rd. She has an Advance Single from Warminster to Portsmouth Harbour.   At the moment "South Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice".
She wishes to leave Warminster 2 hours earlier than her booked train, and go via Basingstoke to Portsmouth Harbour, to get to the Island at approx the same time as originally planned. Can anyone offer any thoughts/advice as to whether her advance ticket would/might be accepted on an earlier start from Warminster with GWR (to Salisbury) ? I can find nothing online that mentions the use of "odd" tickets like this.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 25, 2020, 11:54:52
I asked GWR ... "Advanced tickets to Portsmouth, booked before Salisbury Landslip. Need to arrive at Portsmouth at originally scheduled time. Can I catch an earlier train?  Journeycheck says SWR accepting all reasonable routes but does not say that for GWR.

@GWRHelp, 25.2.2020, 11:50 to @MelkshamRUG
"Hello, yes ticket acceptance is in place so you may travel earlier than booked - Bradley"


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on February 25, 2020, 13:23:38
I asked GWR ... "Advanced tickets to Portsmouth, booked before Salisbury Landslip. Need to arrive at Portsmouth at originally scheduled time. Can I catch an earlier train?  Journeycheck says SWR accepting all reasonable routes but does not say that for GWR.

@GWRHelp, 25.2.2020, 11:50 to @MelkshamRUG
"Hello, yes ticket acceptance is in place so you may travel earlier than booked - Bradley"

Grahame, very many thanks for that. That was going to be my next move if no one else was aware of anything online about use of Advance tickets - as there was over the past two "stormy" weekends.  Wife will be pleased  :) :)


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 25, 2020, 23:08:41
I asked GWR ... "Advanced tickets to Portsmouth, booked before Salisbury Landslip. Need to arrive at Portsmouth at originally scheduled time. Can I catch an earlier train?  Journeycheck says SWR accepting all reasonable routes but does not say that for GWR.

@GWRHelp, 25.2.2020, 11:50 to @MelkshamRUG
"Hello, yes ticket acceptance is in place so you may travel earlier than booked - Bradley"

Grahame, very many thanks for that. That was going to be my next move if no one else was aware of anything online about use of Advance tickets - as there was over the past two "stormy" weekends.  Wife will be pleased  :) :)

Funny how answers flow in ... further confirmation from another source that GWR *are* accepting tickets flexibly - that's their instruction just like the "any reasonable route/train" of SWR. Just didn't make it to the simplified version on JourneyCheck to reassure the customers!


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Trowres on February 26, 2020, 00:27:06
Although "via Basingstoke" for Southampton has been mentioned specifically in online advice, there's been nothing about via Woking for Portsmouth.

The National Rail journey planer is behaving oddly for via Woking journeys - it provides a "via Salisbury" fare for Portsmouth-Trowbridge via Salisbury if the Woking-Trowbridge leg is a through train, but not if a change at Salisbury is required. This appears contrary to the description of the via Salisbury fare:
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Valid only for travel via (changing trains or passing through) Salisbury



Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on February 27, 2020, 18:37:10
Doesn't help, does it ?

https://www.romseyadvertiser.co.uk/news/18259134.commuters-warned-delays-car-crashes-romsey-redbridge/


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on February 27, 2020, 18:47:25
It appears freight is still operating between Salisbury and Romsey:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H43990/2020-02-26/detailed

Happy to be corrected if this is not the case.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on February 27, 2020, 18:59:29
It appears freight is still operating between Salisbury and Romsey:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/H43990/2020-02-26/detailed

Happy to be corrected if this is not the case.

Interesting.

Meanwhile GWR report
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Cancellations to services between Salisbury and Romsey
Due to a landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations have been cancelled or suspended between Salisbury and Romsey. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 31/03/20.

and National Rail report
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A landslip has damaged part of the railway between Salisbury and Romsey resulting in all lines being closed. From an initial inspection, Network Rail engineers have observed that the embankment has slipped, leaving the track unsupported over approximately 20 metres, making it unsafe to run trains.
We don't expect the line to reopen before Thursday 30 April as extensive repairs will be required to reopen the line.

National Rail are not even saying 30th April is an estimate - they're saying it's the earliest.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 02, 2020, 16:43:37
Further to my posts above re my wife's trip to the IoW.

For reasons best known to herself (!) she rang National Rail Enquiries and was told that as she had an Advance ticket then she MUST travel on the nominated train. We went to WMN station to put her on the 1113 (now only to SAL anyway) be find that the train was cancelled ! 
I suggested that we wait for the next train heading roughly in that direction, the SWR 1148 to WAT. When the train arrived we explained what had happened to the guard and asked if she could ride on that train to BSK and change there for PHM.  Yes, that was perfectly acceptable. She, later, gets on the (SWR) train at BSK to PMH, the guard on that train then inspects her (Advance) ticket and makes no comment until my wife asks if she can return on the same route - and she is told - No !
As I had already told her that her return (Advance booked) train from PMH didn't actually exist any more she then wondered how she would ever get home - without buying a new expensive ticket. As she had a while to wait for the ferry she went to the booking office at PMH, shows them her Advance return ticket and asks if she can return via BSK and is cheerfully told - Yes, until 30th April  !

Left hand not knowing what the right is doing ..............or even what the left is doing ?


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on March 02, 2020, 19:15:54
For reasons best known to herself (!) she rang National Rail Enquiries and was told that as she had an Advance ticket then she MUST travel on the nominated train. ...

As a "read the [right web page / rules page] to me" service, National Rail Enquiries usually does a reasonable job. And, let's face it, it can be darned hard for the punter to find the right page sometimes.  As such it's a useful service for the majority of people who call in.  Sadly, where questions get to be more challenging - where even an informed [potential] customer is having trouble working something out, the National Rail team seems to have the same trouble - and often (one feels) without even the benefit of knowing the local geography.

At times of disruption such as we're seeing at Salisbury, if you do what you think is logical and the best way to get to where you need to be in the circumstances, and in good faith, you're hardly likely to get into trouble.  The staff involved will for the most part be sympathetic and understanding, and in the unlikely event of them taking exception and taking it further, the PR machine will decide that it's better to keep the customer happy. If they feel you're "trying it on", sure, they'll be robust in persuing the matter.

If you look back through the forum, you'll find a couple of shocking pieces of advise I've had on fares from National Rail - in one case a recommendation that would have cost me nearly £600 in extra fares. What they really need, and lack as far as I'm aware, is a line in their script that says "I don't know - I will pass you on to our Guru on this topic" ... and of course they actually need to have that Guru to pass on to!


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: eightonedee on March 02, 2020, 19:35:19
They could always sub contract the work out to BNM!


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Timmer on March 02, 2020, 20:58:41
They could always sub contract the work out to BNM!
Be a full time job!

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Left hand not knowing what the right is doing ..............or even what the left is doing ?
[sigh]Sadly yes and at times can end up with passengers paying way more than they should due to confusing and misleading information; something the railway at times seems to specialise in.

Graham is absolutely right when he mentions even an informed customer can have trouble working something out, what hope does an infrequent traveller have; especially when they are given incorrect advice?





Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on March 04, 2020, 18:03:49
Network Rail has announced an interim fix that will enable the railway between Salisbury and Romsey to reopen to passenger trains by the end of March.

From Network Rail (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/salisbury-and-romsey-line-expected-to-reopen-at-the-end-of-march-following-landslip)

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Team of engineers have been assessing the damage after a landslip on a railway embankment close to Salisbury on 18 February. Following an extended period of above average rainfall and significant flooding of the adjacent field, the railway embankment slipped, leaving the track unsupported over approximately 20 metres. This caused the track to dip and it has not been possible to run services.

Since the incident, detailed ground investigations and topographic surveys have been carried out to understand how best to repair the line. The task has been made more challenging by significant flooding of the field at the foot of the embankment meaning heavy machinery is unable to reach the landslip to carry out the long-term fix.

Engineers have come up with an interim solution. They will use specialist equipment to install 160 metres of 13 metre deep steel sheets which will be driven into each side of the embankment.  Teams will then drill under the track and tie both sides together with steel rods to support the embankment.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 04, 2020, 19:18:21
Network Rail has announced an interim fix that will enable the railway between Salisbury and Romsey to reopen to passenger trains by the end of March.

Clever !


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 05, 2020, 18:52:00
Just to finish off my wife's trip to/from the IoW.

No problems with her GWR Advance ticket.............but the train from Basingstoke to Salisbury was a 2 car 158 - to use a Corbynism..."rammed". She had to stand to Andover, managed to grab a seat there at the changeover. Mid afternoon on a (wet) weekday - poor show.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: bradshaw on March 05, 2020, 21:48:55
There was a 11.38 Bristol to Portsmouth ecs, a Cl 158, the 3N78, which was sent to replace the turbo which returned the other day.
Curiously, it seems to have travelled via Dean according to RTT, passing there at 13.27.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/98689/2020-03-05/detailed


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on March 06, 2020, 07:21:18
There was a 11.38 Bristol to Portsmouth ecs, a Cl 158, the 3N78, which was sent to replace the turbo which returned the other day.
Curiously, it seems to have travelled via Dean according to RTT, passing there at 13.27.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/98689/2020-03-05/detailed


Looks to be open (but with trains taking much longer than normal between points) for none-passengers trains. As well as the empty passenger trains, various (12) stone trains and frieghtliners yesterday all showing intermediate times - this is from Real Time Trains at Dean.

Quote
VAR pass Botley Aggregate Sdgs.  FRGT ZZ Merehead Quarry 0535 (Q)
VAR pass Eastleigh Aggregate Sdgs.  FRGT ZZ Merehead Quarry 0535 (Q)
VAR pass Westbury Down T.C.  1 755J ZZ Fareham A.R.C. Sidings 0619 0724½
VAR pass Whatley Quarry F Liner Hh 1 757J ZZ Southampton Up Yard 0649 0758½
VAR pass Merehead Quarry (Fhh) FRGT ZZ Chichester Recp.  0725 (Q)
VAR pass Westbury Down T.C.  1 0O41 ZZ Eastleigh East Yard 1124½ 1121¼
VAR pass Fareham A.R.C. Sidings 2 787J ZZ Whatley Quarry 1249½ 1344½
VST pass Bristol Temple Meads 1 3N78 GW Portsmouth Harbour 1320½ 1327¾
VAR pass Southampton Up Yard 2 790J ZZ Whatley Quarry F Liner Hh 1358 1404¾
VAR pass Southampton M.C.T.  2 063A ZZ Lawley Street F.L.T.  1416 1422¼
VAR pass Eastleigh East Yard 2 0V41 ZZ Westbury Down T.C.  1538½ 1517
VAR pass Wentloog (Freightliners) 1 487D ZZ Southampton M.C.T.  1654 1621¾
VAR pass Westbury Down T.C.  1 6O31 ZZ Eastleigh East Yard 1826½ 1826¼
VAR pass Wentloog (Freightliners) 1 441E ZZ Southampton M.C.T.  1930 1924
VAR pass Eastleigh East Yard 2 6V31 ZZ Westbury Down T.C.  2102 2111½
VAR pass Westbury Down T.C.  FRGT ZZ Botley Aggregate Sdgs.  2204½ (Q)
STP pass Eastleigh East Yard 632M ZZ Romsey 2342 N/R
STP 2325½ Cancel Salisbury West End - 640M ZZ Laverstock South Jn 2349½


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: bradshaw on March 06, 2020, 08:17:20
Looking at RTT, the freight services were running as early as Feb 28, the limit of backward searching.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 12, 2020, 20:15:12
Update:

https://twitter.com/NetworkRailWssx/status/1237792275763204096?s=20


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: eightf48544 on March 13, 2020, 11:23:14
NR yellow banana seen going both ways at Lockerley train Train ID 142M. 1513 Salisbury to Salisbury reverse Southampton, Timed for 125!


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on March 13, 2020, 18:45:00
It says somewhere they’re going to do some initial piling from track level.

A job that the electrification HOPS train can do at last?   ???

Paul


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 13, 2020, 20:16:41
It says somewhere they’re going to do some initial piling from track level.

A job that the electrification HOPS train can do at last?   ???

Paul

Nein.........wrong sort of embankment !


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: stuving on March 13, 2020, 21:16:19
It says somewhere they’re going to do some initial piling from track level.

A job that the electrification HOPS train can do at last?   ???

Paul

Nein.........wrong sort of embankment !

Wrong sort of piles, surely? I don't imagine it has the right attachment for driving sheet piles.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 13, 2020, 21:29:24
Sheet !


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: paul7575 on March 14, 2020, 11:47:03
It says somewhere they’re going to do some initial piling from track level.

A job that the electrification HOPS train can do at last?   ???

Paul

Nein.........wrong sort of embankment !

Wrong sort of piles, surely? I don't imagine it has the right attachment for driving sheet piles.
I’d have thought that was a straightforward change of attachment, the underlying technology isn’t really unique to rail after all...


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 17, 2020, 15:07:51
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/18311649.network-rail-works-salisbury-causing-chaos-destruction/


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Celestial on March 17, 2020, 19:11:23
https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/18311649.network-rail-works-salisbury-causing-chaos-destruction/
I'm surprised they didn't mention horseshoe newts and greater crested bats as well, as they seem to be attracted to bulldozers like moths to a light.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 24, 2020, 18:19:45
Another rail forum reports that the line should be open again on Thursday.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: Clan Line on March 25, 2020, 21:16:33
No....not tomorrow after all !

https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/18334597.emergency-works-rail-line-hit-landslip-salisbury-romsey-will-reopen-key-workers-freight-saturday/


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: CyclingSid on March 26, 2020, 07:33:56
I presume the Gazette & Herald is another organisation set to American spelling. 20 meters, voltmeters, multimeters? I presume metres.


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: ellendune on March 26, 2020, 08:15:01
I presume the Gazette & Herald is another organisation set to American spelling. 20 meters, voltmeters, multimeters? I presume metres.

After all isn't Wiltshire mainly populated by Americans? ;D


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: grahame on March 26, 2020, 08:22:05
After all isn't Wiltshire mainly populated by Americans? ;D

A survey of immediate family I'm holed up with suggests not quite. Only 50% of us hold a USA passport.  But those of us who live in such company are bilingual - we know how to speak and write to get a clear message across, and what wording to use if we want to be ... oh, never mind - nothing to do with the landslip!


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: stuving on March 26, 2020, 08:59:51
I presume the Gazette & Herald is another organisation set to American spelling. 20 meters, voltmeters, multimeters? I presume metres.

Nothing specifically American about voltmeter or multimeter - and inserting metre doesn't quite give the correct French version either, as it needs an accent (and ampèremètre needs two).


Title: Re: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey
Post by: MVR S&T on March 26, 2020, 20:36:16
An update and photo from Network rail.
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/successful-emergency-landslip-repair-on-target-to-reopen-vital-line-between-salisbury-and-romsey-three-days-ahead-of-schedule



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