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Title: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 21, 2020, 18:54:12
From International Railway Journal: https://www.railjournal.com/freight/new-british-operator-plans-green-parcels-service/

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BRITISH start-up Varamis Rail is targeting the introduce of a carbon-neutral express parcels service on Britain’s East Coast Main Line.

The objective is to only use 160km/h electric trains and to link the service to an electric road vehicle distribution system for collection and delivery of parcels and light goods. The objective is to offer a fast, reliable service which is safe and secure, has real-time tracking and offers comprehensive supply chain management.

“We want to keep it simple, and we are trying to be as carbon neutral as possible,” Mr Phil Read, Aramis Rail’s managing director, told IRJ.

The company has applied for a train operating licence and is developing a safety case. “We have had constructive discussions with Network Rail and we are talking to a rolling stock leasing company in order to obtain an electric train,” Read says. Varamis Rail will probably use a former passenger train which will be converted for parcels use.

Varamis Rail is looking for suitable terminals in London, Doncaster and Newcastle for the launch service. These could either be existing rail connected depots or passenger stations with direct road access to the platform.

Transit times from London of 2 hours to Doncaster and 3 hours to Newcastle are envisaged. “We want to prove the concept first before we extend the service to Edinburgh and Glasgow,” Read says.

Read says some private investors have already shown interest in the concept, but it is too early to determine how much it will cost to launch.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: broadgage on March 22, 2020, 20:19:33
This sounds an excellent idea, though with most unfortunate timing.

Would they have enough parcels to fill a train ? Not completely full but sufficiently full as to be profitable.
At present the coronavirus is eclipsing all else, but eventually it will pass.
When it does pass, parcels will still need delivering, and carbon emissions of road transport will still be a concern.

I wonder if it would be possible to run a mixed train that conveys several passenger coaches in addition to parcels. There would be a saving in paths and in train crew if compared to running two trains.
If the service was run primarily for parcels as is proposed, then the extra costs of conveying passengers would be modest.
Purchase or lease of suitable stock.
Wages of a guard.
Cost of extra traction current.
No cost for a path, as needed anyway to convey parcels.
No cost for a driver as needed anyway for the parcels service.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: infoman on March 23, 2020, 04:25:09
Maybe start with a Norton Fitzwarren to Minehead service.

Would love to know how many small vans take a small parcel to Minehead from the Taunton direction,as well as in the other direction.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 23, 2020, 09:22:50
This sounds an excellent idea, though with most unfortunate timing.

Yes, but its going to take months, if not years, to set up a track access agreement with NR, so better to start that as soon as you feel you have made a business case for it all.  I welcome new ideas like this, its about time some others did it as well (calling all well known parcel delivery companies and food chain suppliers!).


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: 72c on March 24, 2020, 10:06:07
Did FGW run a parcels service from Pnz to Pad that ceased when the HST's went out service?


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: Celestial on March 24, 2020, 10:37:46
Did FGW run a parcels service from Pnz to Pad that ceased when the HST's went out service?
Didn't they transport fresh fish from Cornwall to London?


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: eightf48544 on March 24, 2020, 10:53:36
Did FGW run a parcels service from Pnz to Pad that ceased when the HST's went out service?
Didn't they transport fresh fish from Cornwall to London?

I think it appeared on a Portillo programme with a fragile highly decorated cake being sent from PNZ to PAD.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on March 24, 2020, 12:19:52
Is this the rebirth of the Red Star parcels service that I remember (without knowing very much about it) from my youth?


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: broadgage on March 24, 2020, 14:58:23
Is this the rebirth of the Red Star parcels service that I remember (without knowing very much about it) from my youth?

Don't think so, red star parcels were sent primarily via existing passenger trains, whereas this is a proposal to run a new service dedicated to carrying parcels.
It would be good to see a return of express parcels by passenger train, but of course new trains have no space "wasted" on a guards van in which such would be carried.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: Celestial on March 24, 2020, 18:10:46
Is this the rebirth of the Red Star parcels service that I remember (without knowing very much about it) from my youth?
but of course new trains have no space "wasted" on a guards van in which such would be carried.
Never an opportunity missed, eh?

Given the explosive growth in parcels traffic over the last few years, it makes environmental sense to create a new rail distribution network that can take the volumes they are no doubt hoping for.  With timings and capacity that suit the parcels company at both ends, and no delays to passenger services as crates are unloaded at intermediate stations (such as Doncaster, named in the report). 

And closer to home, imagine trying to load up a train with parcels at the same time as hordes of passengers are joining at Paddington.  And think of all those services which didn't have many or any parcels in them running around with wasted space.

But still, the good ol' days were always the best, weren't they? A fraction of the current services; Travellers Fare; even the strikes were better in those halcyon days, with Sid Weighell and Ray Buckton running the unions. 



Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 24, 2020, 19:55:20
I hope to see this service or something similar running in a few years.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 24, 2020, 20:20:43
Yes, as I said earlier, its something we should all be encouraging, not trying to put obstacles in the way.  They will have enough hoops to jump through as it is, to get it all up and running.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: Celestial on March 24, 2020, 21:08:11
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2020/03/exclusive-a-qa-with-varamis-rails-managing-director-ahead-of-new-parcel-rail-service.html

The attached link with a Q&A on the subject includes a further link to a short video presentation, which is also linked here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcfq57sBFY8

I really hope it succeeds.



Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: stuving on March 24, 2020, 22:47:58
Third time lucky? We had GB Railfreight (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=19560.0), and then Intermodality (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17959.0) - so all three seem to be separate business proposals. Incidentally, Varamis the company is only a year old, and listed its business field as "Urban and suburban passenger railway transportation by underground, metro and similar systems". The hangover cure is a separate business, I think.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 25, 2020, 13:15:51
More info here: https://orion.railopsgroup.co.uk/


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: stuving on March 25, 2020, 13:50:13
More info here: https://orion.railopsgroup.co.uk/

Is Orion (a subsidiary of Rail Operations Group) yet another separate contender - number four?


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 25, 2020, 14:33:53
More info here: https://orion.railopsgroup.co.uk/

Is Orion (a subsidiary of Rail Operations Group) yet another separate contender - number four?

Yes, I believe so.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: stuving on March 26, 2020, 20:23:19
Not exactly parcels, but ...

You may have seen the news that a TGV was used today to transport 20 COVID-19 patients from Strasbourg to other places where hospitals still have ICU capacity (Le Mans, Angers, Nantes, La-Roche-sur-Yon). While described as a "first in Europe", obviously it was nothing of the kind - certainly if you look back as far as WW1; probably much more recently. In addition,SNCF have always run stripped-out carriages for those on stretchers and other wheeled sickbeds to Lourdes, and reportedly now have a TGV to do likewise.

This was in any case more of an improvisation that an adaptation. Four stretchers were lodged across the backs of four facing second-class seats in a lower saloon, and tied down with straps. Oxygen bottles and all the support machinery, including ventilators, were put on the floor or seats underneath.  The advantage compared to road or helicopter ambulances is mainly extra space for staff and ease of access to the patient - the only comparable method is the French army's medevac aircraft, an A330 with four IC beds in it, which was used for similar transfers a few days ago.

The value of the operation was related to way the outbreak was been so heavily concentrated in Alsace and nearby, with very few in the west so far. But everyone expects that to change quite soon, of course. Here, while it's not yet clear, it looks as if London will reach ICU saturation first.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: nickswift99 on March 27, 2020, 13:50:22
The NRM has an interesting article about the last British ambulance train which ran until 1994. https://blog.railwaymuseum.org.uk/commander-of-last-british-ambulance-train-speaks-at-nrm-railways-and-warfare-conference/ (https://blog.railwaymuseum.org.uk/commander-of-last-british-ambulance-train-speaks-at-nrm-railways-and-warfare-conference/)


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: Surrey 455 on April 28, 2020, 09:05:02
I came across this on Twitter yesterday from GB Railfreight (https://twitter.com/GBRailfreight/status/1254742115944476674)
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We've successfully trialled using former commuter trains for the express delivery of parcels Package

The trial showed how the service could play a role in helping with the logistical challenge of delivering vital supplies to UK hospitals.

The accompanying photos aren't very exciting, they show one of those high sided cages in a former London Midland train with the seats still in place!


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: stuving on February 22, 2021, 22:37:55
Orion have had a converted train doing the rounds to have its picture took for several months. It looks very ... blue. From Orion's pages on the ROG site (https://orion.railopsgroup.co.uk/news/):
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(https://orion.railopsgroup.co.uk/static/d192eb770abfbba2038b916587a25f0a/14b42/61f2ef97135252beeec2597e022424e28804c89a-931x524.jpg)
The First of Many
18 November 2020

Well here it is...the first of many.

Orion leading the way with specially converted multiple units for the High-Speed Logistics sector.

Here's 319373 on show in the Princess Royal Distribution Centre in north London.

This comes from Modern Railways back in August:
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The train is the first of an initial fleet of three units that Orion, a sister company of empty stock mover Rail Operations Group, is planning to introduce into service early next year. The other two units are being converted into parcels Class 769s, with the addition of diesel engines at the Brush plant in Loughborough.

The plan is that the units will operate as eight-car trains shuttling between the port at London Gateway and Liverpool Street station in central London. The ‘319’ will run in tandem with a Class 769 sister unit, with the latter acting as a tractor unit on the unelectrified Gateway branch.

At Liverpool Street, the trains will use platforms 9 and 10, which have road access, with electric bikes and electric vans shuttling the parcels to city centre destinations to add to the operation’s green credentials

Oh dear.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 25, 2021, 12:32:09
An update on this interesting idea:

https://www.railjournal.com/freight/rail-operations-uk-to-launch-orion-logistics-service-in-april/


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: paul7575 on February 25, 2021, 13:42:58
An update on this interesting idea:

https://www.railjournal.com/freight/rail-operations-uk-to-launch-orion-logistics-service-in-april/

Much confused reporting there, I reckon “London to Liverpool” seems to be the originally reported London Gateway (shipping terminal) to Liverpool Street, reading between the lines.  Either the journalist has misinterpreted, or it’s been badly edited...

Paul


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: grahame on July 08, 2021, 06:46:35
On show yesterday at Euston Station - see Network Rail Press Release (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/passenger-trains-converted-to-deliver-parcels-to-city-centre-stations)

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Passenger trains converted to deliver parcels to city centres

High-speed parcel deliveries will soon be made by rail to satisfy a growing demand for faster freight.

Network Rail and distribution firm Orion have today (Wednesday 7 July) showed how the concept works at Euston station.

Former passenger trains are being converted to take goods directly into city centre stations.

As well as online retail, the flexible freight operation could transport other light goods needed in super-fast time by businesses.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: stuving on January 19, 2023, 18:09:03
News of the Varamis proposed service appeared nearly three years ago, but it has hardly been heard of since. Well, it seems it started full operation last week! And the trains it is using are the ones Eversholt converted to be operated by "Swift Express". So maybe that was a pretend customer all along, while they were talking to more than one contender to do it. From Global Railway Review (http://From Global Railway Review):
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Network Rail and Varamis Rail have teamed up to launch a new zero carbon freight service which will run between Scotland and the Midlands.

Network Rail and Varamis Rail, the UK’s newest train operator, have worked together to launch an innovative, zero carbon freight service.  The service will run between Scotland and the Midlands, Monday to Friday. Targeted at express parcels and third-party delivery companies, it will primarily deal with next day delivery of consumer goods.

Industry partners, Eversholt Rail, have converted a number of fully electric 4-car trains formerly used in passenger service to enable them to carry freight while Network Rail provided the necessary operating licenses, contracts, and train paths for the service to operate. This followed trial operations of the service, which commenced in October 2022, to test the robustness and practicality of the service, and enabled logistics companies to test the service.
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The new service, which launched on the 9 January 2023, is fully electric, supporting Network Rail and the rest of the rail industry as an environmentally friendly alternative to road haulage. It gives access to urban rail stations located within the heart of city centres and is expected to benefit the rail industry in the future as an example of best practice.

More on the trains from Railway technology last October (https://www.railway-technology.com/news/eversholt-varamis-swift-express-train/).
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Eversholt Rail has pledged for the conversion of four further Class 321 Swift Express Freight trains.

Expected to be completed by the end of this year, the work will be conducted by Gemini and Wolverton.

Eversholt Rail will negotiate with multiple operators regarding these trains and sign lease agreements in the coming months.


Title: Re: New Railway Parcels Service
Post by: grahame on January 21, 2023, 00:49:06
From The Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/electric-zeroemission-freight-train-service-varamis-rail-b1054402.html)

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The UK’s first electric-only rail freight operator has started moving parcels between Scotland and the Midlands.

Varamis Rail is using fully electric former passenger trains converted to carry freight in response to the growing demand for next-day deliveries of goods bought online.

The majority of freight trains on Britain’s railways are still powered by diesel, with an average speed of around 24mph.

Varamis Rail said its trains can reach 100mph, with journeys between Mossend freight terminal, near Glasgow, and Birmingham International scheduled to take just under five hours.

Right to highlight the majority of freight still being diesel hauled. 

Comparing the average speed of a diesel train with the top speed of an electric is misleading. And comparing the speed of a specialist lightweight operation with general freight including quarry stone is also naughty.



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