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Title: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: infoman on March 24, 2020, 15:53:37
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/coronavirus-government-refund-train-tickets-21737099


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on April 23, 2020, 16:45:12
Still waiting for the refund on my advance tickets booked through GWR for travel at the beginning of April.  My account shows awaiting refund.  No news of any possible refund from SWR for my booked advance ticket for travel mid May


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 23, 2020, 17:14:44
Mine from the end of march hasn't appeared yet either.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Electric train on April 23, 2020, 18:35:56
The teams of staff that normally deal with this have a massive work load, not only advance tickets there is also season ticket refunds.

Also it should be remembered this staff group will be either working from home or the numbers of staff able to work in their offices could be reduced to 25% of the normal desk occupancy to manage the social distancing.

Given the office capacity the ToC's may have deemed the teams that deal with refunds as not key allowing office space available for the people who managing the current services.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 23, 2020, 19:48:11
The teams of staff that normally deal with this have a massive work load, not only advance tickets there is also season ticket refunds.

Also it should be remembered this staff group will be either working from home or the numbers of staff able to work in their offices could be reduced to 25% of the normal desk occupancy to manage the social distancing.

Given the office capacity the ToC's may have deemed the teams that deal with refunds as not key allowing office space available for the people who managing the current services.

That's understandable if it's the case, but why not communicate the reason for delay and give a likely timescale? Manage expectations!

GWR are hopeless when it comes to customer communications and this is another example.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on April 27, 2020, 13:53:31
Today I tried to claim a refund on an advance ticket booked through the SWR site in mid March. Despite guidance to the contrary on the site there is no facility to claim the refund in "My Account". There is an on line form to claim refunds and I duly completed this.  However getting it to submit proved a step too far as I was repeatedly getting error messages - refresh and try again.  I finally resorted to using their standard feedback form and have received an automated acknowledgement. An exercise in making the simple difficult.  Has anyone else experiemced this problem with the SWR site?


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerpatenall on April 27, 2020, 21:19:55
Not SWR, but a similar story on the Avanti site. Am trying to get a refund on a Euston - Machynlleth return. Can not do this on line as the site seems to accept only West Coast stations, not Wales. Currently seeking manual help.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Surrey 455 on April 28, 2020, 08:53:04
Today I tried to claim a refund on an advance ticket booked through the SWR site in mid March. Despite guidance to the contrary on the site there is no facility to claim the refund in "My Account". There is an on line form to claim refunds and I duly completed this.  However getting it to submit proved a step too far as I was repeatedly getting error messages - refresh and try again.  I finally resorted to using their standard feedback form and have received an automated acknowledgement. An exercise in making the simple difficult.  Has anyone else experiemced this problem with the SWR site?

This was tweeted by SWR yesterday (https://twitter.com/SW_Help/status/1254782419846062081), although I am sure it's a repeat of one tweeted in the last week or two.

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We’re working hard to process refunds quickly, but with a large increase in requests this is taking longer than usual.

We’ve increased the capacity at our refund centre, so we can speed up the process and get your refund processed sooner.

Thank you for your patience.

At least one reply states that the online form did not work for them. Most replies are from customers asking where their refunds are though!


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: grahame on April 28, 2020, 09:17:50
Interesting item in The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/apr/28/eurostar-deadline-using-vouchers-refund-coronavirus)

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Why is Eurostar setting a deadline for using its vouchers?

It won’t offer a refund as only one leg of the journey has been cancelled due to coronavirus

I guess National Rail rules don't apply to Eurostar, as their services are International.

As I read it, the person who's written in (and the journalist have investigated) has a trip booked from pre-pandemic days out to France and back a fortnight later.    The outbound service has been cancelled. The return service - weeks later - is still showing as running but Eurostar are not offering a refund if the people travelling wish to cancel that (surely they would if they can't travel out in the first place) but is instead offering vouchers - and vouchers with relatively short timeframes on rebooking (by end of September) and travelling (by end of April next).

Personal view - if a TOC cancels one leg of a ticket with an itinerary, the whole thing should be refundable unless there's a virtually-identical equivalent offered for the lost leg.



Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 28, 2020, 16:49:50
A colleague had a similar problem with flights to France. BA cancelled the outward journey but said that didn't impact the return journey even though they'd cancelled all flights to the city.



Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Surrey 455 on April 28, 2020, 20:07:47
Mark Hopwood has posted a video on Twitter today regarding SWR refunds.

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We’ve received around 23,000 requests for refunds in the last five weeks, of which 5,000 have already been processed.

For those who have requested a refund, please see below an important message from our MD Mark Hopwood

https://twitter.com/SW_Help/status/1255149532507070468

Once you've watched that, there's another video from the refund processing centre if you scroll down.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 01, 2020, 12:26:24
Had an email from GWR telling me my refund hadn't been forgotten.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: bobm on May 01, 2020, 17:43:05
Caledonian Sleeper have updated their refund arrangements.   Prior to yesterday you could apply for a refund on an advance "fixed" ticket for all journeys until the end of May without penalty.

The new policy is

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We continue to keep our refund policy under review during the period of COVD 19 restrictions and understand that the virus may have impacted our guests’ reasons for travel after the end of May. We await further Government guidance on any changes to current restrictions.

However, we do recognise that for some guests plans may have already been impacted.

Any guest who has purchased a Fixed Ticket prior to March 22nd and was planning to attend an event or travel from overseas between 30th May and 31st August 2020, and has now had an element of their trip cancelled, can apply for a refund, with no administration fee

I am not sure how strictly the necessity for an event to be cancelled to qualify would (or indeed could) be checked.

I was due to travel in the first week of June.   I applied this morning and this afternoon had an email telling me the refund will be in my bank next Tuesday.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Celestial on May 01, 2020, 18:31:25
I got a refund for some advance tickets last week around 4 weeks after posting them off.  That doesn't seem an unreasonable time under the current circumstances.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on May 07, 2020, 16:08:46
Still no communication from GWR.  We are now over 6 weeks since the claim which was made through the "My Account" section of their site and 5 weeks since the intended travel date. I have not even received the email apologising for the delay. By contrast my claim to SWR submitted on 27 April has been approved today. I wonder of my problem is the method of submission of the claim and should I contact them to check on its status. Any views?


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 07, 2020, 16:42:25
Still no communication from GWR.  We are now over 6 weeks since the claim which was made through the "My Account" section of their site and 5 weeks since the intended travel date. I have not even received the email apologising for the delay. By contrast my claim to SWR submitted on 27 April has been approved today. I wonder of my problem is the method of submission of the claim and should I contact them to check on its status. Any views?

When GWR "Customer Service" completely fell over a few years back & correspondence just disappeared into a void, after waiting for several months I ended up emailing Herr Hopwood advising him that the next email would be a lot less polite and copied to every newspaper I could think of......literally within hours I had a reply, and a week or so later, unannounced, 2 x complimentary 1st class Anytime return tickets landed on my letterbox - not my usual style but it got results!!!


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on May 07, 2020, 18:08:16
It appears that the error may have been made by me. It appears that you can only claim through "My account" if the tickets have not been collected.  On line claim forms now submitted


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Celestial on May 07, 2020, 19:09:21
It appears that the error may have been made by me. It appears that you can only claim through "My account" if the tickets have not been collected.  On line claim forms now submitted
If you've collected the tickets you also need to post them off,  preferably by signed for delivery. (At least, I had to, but whilst I applied online, I don't think I did it through "my account", so that might be a different process.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on May 07, 2020, 19:19:25
They accept scanned pictures of the tickets but they must be cut in half before scanning


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 10, 2020, 15:35:08
There's now a slightly different link for tickets bought at stations but seems very straightforward.

Just done my annual season ticket and according to the Network Rail calculator that's about £3K back on a £4.4K ticket.

Now I just need to avoid going into work until August to avoid losing money.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 10, 2020, 22:32:34
If you haven't travelled since 17th March, you have until tomorrow to submit your refund claim. That being 56 days later.

From SWR on Twitter (https://twitter.com/SW_Help/status/1259060685864079360)
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Thank you for not travelling. If you have train tickets you’re not using:

We’ve 2x the time you can claim a refund to 8 weeks for unused tickets
Monday 11 is the last day to backdate your claim to 17 March for season tickets

and the link to National Rail Enquiries (https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/coronavirus_refunds.aspx?utm_source=nre&utm_medium=carousel&utm_campaign=Refund) backs that up so presumably applies to all TOC's
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Season Tickets can be refunded at any time and train companies calculate how much is refunded by how much value is left on your ticket. They do this by deducting the value of any other tickets you could have travelled with in the same time until you stopped using your Season Ticket. This refund can be backdated up to 56 days from when it is submitted, to the last date it was used (or to 17 March 2020, whichever is later) if you were unable to travel due to the government’s guidance about only travelling if essential during the pandemic.
If you were unable to travel due to illness immediately before the government’s guidance was given in March, you can apply for this to be backdated further with evidence of the period you were ill.
To see how much you could get back from your Season Ticket, try the Season Ticket Refund Calculator below. For more information, including if you require a refund due to sickness that prevented you from using a Season Ticket, see the Season Ticket Conditions page.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on June 11, 2020, 14:24:10
Anyone know what GWR's response time is currently on refunds. Put two claims in on 7th May but no response as yet


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Surrey 455 on June 11, 2020, 19:30:40
Anyone know what GWR's response time is currently on refunds. Put two claims in on 7th May but no response as yet

27 days on average apparently.
https://www.gwr.com/help-and-support/refunds-and-compensation/unused-ticket-refunds

Are GWR refunds handled by the same team as SWR? If so, this may be of interest -

From South Western Railway (https://www.southwesternrailway.com/contact-and-help/refunds-and-compensation/coronavirus-refund-update)
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We have received around 35,000 refund requests in total, and we have processed around 29,000 of them. This means, around 83% of requests have been processed, with around 6,000 currently outstanding.

We have been processing the requests according to date of application, with different teams working on different ticket types.
  • Smartcard refund requests – processed up to 12 May application date
  • Car park refund requests – processed up to 13 May application date
  • Paper ticket refund requests – processed up to 25 May application date
  • Website ticket refund requests – all processed

Please bear in mind that once your refund has been processed, it often takes three to five days for your bank to process our transaction.

We anticipate that we will process all outstanding refund requests by mid to late June. If you are a Smartcard holder, please refer to the below table to find out when you might be able to expect your refund.

There are now around 1,900 refund requests for which we’re waiting on further information from customers. If you think your request has been missed, please check your email and voicemail, and respond to us, so we can process your request as soon as possible.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 11, 2020, 21:18:52
Anyone know what GWR's response time is currently on refunds. Put two claims in on 7th May but no response as yet

Season ticket on the 10th May and nothing yet. My advance ticket took 35 days so guess they're still working through the backlog.

I did get an email along the lines of still processing just before the advance ticket refund so I don't know if the acknowledgements go out as someone reaches your request?

I'd still like a bit more communication as more than £3K owed and I've had to buy a couple of on the day tickets which seems the worst of both worlds.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: brcw2 on June 12, 2020, 08:55:59
Season ticket on the 10th May and nothing yet. My advance ticket took 35 days so guess they're still working through the backlog.

I did get an email along the lines of still processing just before the advance ticket refund so I don't know if the acknowledgements go out as someone reaches your request?

I'd still like a bit more communication as more than £3K owed and I've had to buy a couple of on the day tickets which seems the worst of both worlds.

My season ticket request went in on 20th April, and nothing yet apart from the 'still processing' email.  Agreed that more communication would be good - even info about the numbers of claims received and handled so far would give some context and some sense of progress.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: grahame on June 12, 2020, 09:30:39
I think we have the basis for a question here for "Meet the Manager" next Thursday - though individual case detail should probably be followed through outside the forum's public areas.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on June 20, 2020, 13:08:50
to update things I received an email today from GWR telling me that my refund will be with me shortly. That's without chasing


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 20, 2020, 19:47:17
to update things I received an email today from GWR telling me that my refund will be with me shortly. That's without chasing

Same here.


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: Sixty3Closure on June 26, 2020, 10:36:24
And arrived in my bank account this morning  :)


Title: Re: refunds on all advance tickets?
Post by: rogerw on June 26, 2020, 10:48:32
mine was on my credit card on Monday. Fast work once the decision was made.



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