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Title: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: grahame on March 28, 2020, 00:36:00
From the Glasgow Times (https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18341042.glasgow-spt-subway-temporarily-axes-inner-circle-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/)

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GLASGOW's Subway system will reduce to one circle only as of tomorrow.

In response to the Government advice regarding the coronavirus, the Outer Circle service, operating clockwise from Govan, will stop at all stations.

Meanwhile the Inner Circle service has been temporarily scrapped.

A statement from SPT reads: "Moving to this revised operating model reduces the number of train drivers we need, reduces our maintenance requirements, and allows us to concentrate cleaning efforts.

"It builds better resilience into the Subway team protecting our staff in stations, drivers, maintenance team and cleaners while still ensuring we can run services for those who need to travel at this time."


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: infoman on March 28, 2020, 07:27:16
Not knowing much about the Glasgow metro,where are/were the termination/starting  stops?


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: plymothian on March 28, 2020, 07:31:46
The Glasgow subway is and only ever was a circular underground railway, with 2 tunnels running in opposite directions.

Govan is where the depot is located, so could be considered the start/end as trains come into/go out of service there or pause  briefly to change drivers.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: grahame on March 28, 2020, 07:33:55
Not knowing much about the Glasgow metro,where are/were the termination/starting  stops?

It's not terminal - it runs in a loop of 15 stations over 10.5 km. Opened in late Victorian times, it's been modernised several times since, but still has a tiny gauge profile (track 4 foot) which makes London's deep level tubes feel huge. Map and stations listed (in alphabetic order!) at http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/maps-stations/


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: martyjon on March 28, 2020, 09:12:07
It is a lovely system, your first impressions is that this is a modern system as all the stations have been refurbished in recent times and the booking hall at The Enoch Centre is a credit to the Transport Authority.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: bradshaw on March 28, 2020, 09:51:20
Originally it was a cable hauled system with ‘gripper cars’, converted to electrical operation in 1935.
I used to use it in 1964/5 while living near Glasgow.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: plymothian on March 28, 2020, 10:52:13
Unfortunately, it doesn't go anywhere useful.  It misses most people attractors by a whisker - Central, Queen Street, Kevingrove and nowhere near the SECC, Riverside Museum or People's Palace.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: smokey on March 28, 2020, 13:00:30
The "Clockwork Orange" is worth a visit if you're in Glasgow.

The Trains are very small inside noticeably smaller than the smallest London tube trains.

Last time I went on the Glasgow Subway I'd got a couple of hours to kill before catching the Cally Beds "up" to London so went right round first clockwise then Anti-Clockwise.

Concerned, if the trains are only running Clockwise the spring will break  ;D ;D


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: Oxonhutch on March 29, 2020, 09:56:17
Video 125 have reproduced 1974 film footage (https://www.video125.com/collections/tube-train-videos/products/old-glasgow-subway) of the Clockwork Orange. Their video preview gives a good flavour of the pre-1980 modification. It lost its cable haulage in 1935.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: Phantom on March 29, 2020, 18:41:30
My first reaction was what a pain if you only used to travel one or two stops, and now had to travel all the way around in the other direction.
But then looking at this link it is surprising how small the circle the line covers is
http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/maps-stations/


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: stuving on March 29, 2020, 18:47:31
My first reaction was what a pain if you only used to travel one or two stops, and now had to travel all the way around in the other direction.
But then looking at this link it is surprising how small the circle the line covers is
http://www.spt.co.uk/subway/maps-stations/

Indeed, the greatest diameter is only just over two miles. That's not quite easy walking distance, but most trips are shorter.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: infoman on March 30, 2020, 07:16:18
In my neck of the woods,the person in charge wants an Underground system for Bristol.

For those who know the geography of Bristol,what I would like to see in my ideal World.

It would be a underground in the most densely part/s of Bristol.

So it would run from City centre up towards the top of Blackboy hill.

Then across to Redland road Glouster Road and into the City centre and in a contionous loop.

I don't want a system that starts from the centre,and is packed then thins right out, and very few passengers are left at the terminus.


Title: Re: All subway trains to run clockwise in Glasgow
Post by: grahame on March 30, 2020, 07:26:44
I don't want a system that starts from the centre,and is packed then thins right out, and very few passengers are left at the terminus.

The holy grail of the public transport planner.  Rather sadly, it's rarely possible to achieve this due to the layout of pre-existing cities, and where you can achieve some sort of circle line, it tends to be as 'just' an element in a complete public transport system - witness Glasgow, witness London.

Alternatives include lines that head from one centre to another to that one downward load triangle overlays with another upward load triangle (try Bristol to Bath), and services with some stopping short - try Central London to Bounds Green, Arnos Grove and Cockfosters.



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