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Title: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: infoman on April 28, 2020, 07:32:15
the Tank story,this coming May.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: CyclingSid on April 28, 2020, 07:50:41
Oooos gonna pay?


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2020, 13:58:04
Oooos gonna pay?

We're getting there...

(http://www.thomasthetankshop.com/wmsimages/3121Twisted%20Tin%20Moneybank.jpg)


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2020, 05:48:15
And from The Mirror (https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/tv-film-news/thomas-tank-engine-75-facts-21942463)

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Thomas the Tank Engine: 75 facts about the lovable locomotive on his 75th anniversary

To mark Thomas the Tank Engine’s 75th anniversary, Prince Harry is introducing a new story about the impish train.

To celebrate, here are 75 facts about the lovable locomotive.

1. Thomas was created by Rev Wilbert Awdry when his son Christopher was suffering from measles and asked him for stories.

2. In Christmas that same year, Awdry made a toy tank engine called Thomas, for Christopher.

[etc]

76. The Awdry family owned Melksham House from late Victorian times until 1920 when it was bought by the Avon India Rubber Company for the leisure use of their employees.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: infoman on April 29, 2020, 06:36:59
Locally we all agree that the idea for Thomas was generated by the Rev watching from his home in Box.

Although I was watching a preservation railway programme some where in Central Wales,a few weeks ago.

Presenter, Matt Baker? saying THEIR railway gave the idea to the Rev to write the books.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2020, 06:57:50
Locally we all agree that the idea for Thomas was generated by the Rev watching from his home in Box.

I would agree with Box, and so would the local historian sitting beside me (no social distancing - part of same household unit).


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: infoman on April 29, 2020, 07:16:26
Well Box has the blue plaque,so no dispute.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2020, 08:31:21
Well Box has the blue plaque,so no dispute.

Sadly, you cannot 100% trust every blue plaque you see ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gsplaque.jpg)


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: Western Pathfinder on April 29, 2020, 08:37:01
Very good Grahame,using your lockdown time wisely ✅


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2020, 08:42:01
Very good Grahame,using your lockdown time wisely ✅

All about efficiency - a couple of minutes at http://www.corington.co.uk/projects/blueplaque/


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: bobm on April 29, 2020, 10:34:35
Well Box has the blue plaque,so no dispute.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/awd1.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/awd2.jpg)


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: eightf48544 on April 29, 2020, 11:05:45
A bit pedantic.  If he was watching trains at Box why is Thomas remarkably similar to a LBSC E2 0-6-0T.

As for James has anyone worked out the prototype? Wikipedia gives: 

James the Red Engine is a mixed-traffic L&YR Class 28 'Mogul' 2-6-0 tender engine. But the 28s were 0-6-0s.



Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: Oxonhutch on April 29, 2020, 11:12:02
But there really is a Bishop of Sodor and Man (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_of_Sodor_and_Man).


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: grahame on April 29, 2020, 11:27:44
A bit pedantic.  If he was watching trains at Box why is Thomas remarkably similar to a LBSC E2 0-6-0T.

As for James has anyone worked out the prototype? Wikipedia gives: 

James the Red Engine is a mixed-traffic L&YR Class 28 'Mogul' 2-6-0 tender engine. But the 28s were 0-6-0s.


Hmmm ... from my limited reading of the Rev Awdry's books, I've drawn an impression of a whole load of engines, each of different design and with different foibles, and as such I would draw a closer parallel with a heritage railway than any main line prototype.  The timeline is probably wrong, but perhaps holidays were taken at Horsted Keynes, or near to one of the Col. Stevens lines.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: rogerw on April 29, 2020, 11:36:26
One of the books was certainly based on the Talyllyn railway


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: ellendune on April 29, 2020, 11:43:57
A bit pedantic.  If he was watching trains at Box why is Thomas remarkably similar to a LBSC E2 0-6-0T.

As for James has anyone worked out the prototype? Wikipedia gives: 

James the Red Engine is a mixed-traffic L&YR Class 28 'Mogul' 2-6-0 tender engine. But the 28s were 0-6-0s.


Hmmm ... from my limited reading of the Rev Awdry's books, I've drawn an impression of a whole load of engines, each of different design and with different foibles, and as such I would draw a closer parallel with a heritage railway than any main line prototype.  The timeline is probably wrong, but perhaps holidays were taken at Horsted Keynes, or near to one of the Col. Stevens lines.

He went to school in Hawkhust in Kent and later in Wiltshire.  He then lived in Birmingham, Cambridgeshire and Norfolk, before retiring to Gloucestershire. So quite apart form holidays he would have seen plenty of different engines.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: Merthyr Imp on April 29, 2020, 22:22:44
A bit pedantic.  If he was watching trains at Box why is Thomas remarkably similar to a LBSC E2 0-6-0T.

As for James has anyone worked out the prototype? Wikipedia gives: 

James the Red Engine is a mixed-traffic L&YR Class 28 'Mogul' 2-6-0 tender engine. But the 28s were 0-6-0s.

It was the artist who illustrated the Railway Series books who drew Thomas as an E2 0-6-0T. The author only gives a very general description of him in the text.

According to the book 'The Island of Sodor, Its people, history and railways' by The Rev W. Awdry and G. Awdry' (and they ought to know), James is a L&YR Class 28 0-6-0, but as this class 'had a tendency to be nose-heavy especially when...driven at speed the designer George Hughes, in an effort to counteract this defect, built the engine we now know as James with 5' 6" coupled wheels, and a pony truck in front. The design did not entirely produce the improvement hoped for, and after the Grouping the LMS sold this engine to the North Western Railway [i.e. the main line railway of Sodor] who have now corrected most of the faults in the design, including the wooden brake blocks'.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: eightf48544 on April 30, 2020, 11:53:25
According to the book 'The Island of Sodor, Its people, history and railways' by The Rev W. Awdry and G. Awdry' (and they ought to know), James is a L&YR Class 28 0-6-0, but as this class 'had a tendency to be nose-heavy especially when...driven at speed the designer George Hughes, in an effort to counteract this defect, built the engine we now know as James with 5' 6" coupled wheels, and a pony truck in front. The design did not entirely produce the improvement hoped for, and after the Grouping the LMS sold this engine to the North Western Railway [i.e. the main line railway of Sodor] who have now corrected most of the faults in the design, including the wooden brake blocks'.

Sounds a bit Irish to me.


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: Oxonhutch on April 30, 2020, 12:42:05
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Sounds a bit Irish to me.

More like the Morecambe Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodor_(fictional_island)) gas field has come onshore. Didn't see that in the books.



Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: grahame on May 12, 2023, 06:57:58
12th May 1945 - First "Thomas the Tank Engine" book published - (link) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_in_The_Railway_Series#Thomas_the_Tank_Engine)


Title: Re: Prince Harry to read Thomas
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 12, 2023, 16:31:02
I had lunch at the Rattlebone, in Sherston, today. Just sayin’!



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