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Title: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 02, 2020, 12:35:58 am
https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/65298/dft-sifts-60-new-rail-plans

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DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Rail

01 May 2020
 
Sixty proposals for railway reopenings in England have been submitted to the ideas funding stream of the DfT’s Restoring Your Railway fund.

The applications will be considered by a panel chaired by rail minister Chris Heaton-Harris. The other members are: Simon Clarke, the minister for regional growth and local government; Sir Peter Hendy, the chair of Network Rail; Jackie Sadek, the chief executive of UK Regeneration; and Isabel Dedring, global transport leader at consultant Arup.

The DfT will write to applicants in May to update them on the progress of their application.

Unsuccessful applicants will receive advice from the Department, to help them develop their application for consideration in a later round.

The deadline for the second round of applications is 22 May to register an interest and 19 June to submit applications.

In recognition that many council staff are pre-occupied with Covid-19 issues, a third round of applications will take place in November.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Kernow Otter on May 03, 2020, 09:34:43 am
Lostwithiel to Fowey is one of the 60.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on May 03, 2020, 10:52:44 am
This is interesting. Even if it only results in one or two ideas being taken forward this time, it could provide a channel for reopenings. It could also, of course, just add an extra layer to the aleady tortuous road to refusal.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on May 03, 2020, 11:54:29 am
This is interesting. Even if it only results in one or two ideas being taken forward this time, it could provide a channel for reopenings. It could also, of course, just add an extra layer to the aleady tortuous road to refusal.
I have to agree. Whether any proposals get taken forward or even, heaven forbid!, be implemented will depend not so much on the need for any of the proposals but on the political and economic situation when the time comes to spend serious money. At current prices new or re-opened railways cost in the order of £20 million to £40 million per mile. Roads can be a bit cheaper, although they take more land, because the expensive bit of the railway - the signalling and control systems - are in the individual vehicles so don't count. The planning and legal palaver is very similar for both modes.

In any case, don't hold your breath. Even if a scheme is selected and funded for development it will take a minimum of five or eight years before the statutory, legal and parliamentary stages are completed. Allowing three years for construction the first schemes won't operational until 2031 or 2032 at the earliest.

That's probably two General Elections away...


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on May 03, 2020, 12:16:36 pm
Not GWR territory, but I really hope Burton-Leicester is in there. A lower-hanging fruit is more difficult to imagine, especially given the appalling congestion on local roads.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on May 06, 2020, 09:32:50 am
Does anyone know if the list will be/has been made public at some point and/or what other schemes in GW-land are on it?
Thanks.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 06, 2020, 01:19:55 pm
Does anyone know if the list will be/has been made public at some point and/or what other schemes in GW-land are on it?
Thanks.

No immediate list, but question has been asked.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 15, 2020, 11:45:50 am
Does anyone know if the list will be/has been made public at some point and/or what other schemes in GW-land are on it?
Thanks.

No immediate list, but question has been asked.

No news yet on the first round ... any intelligence gratefully received. With a 22nd May deadline to register interest for round 2, I hope the applicants in round 1 hear soon so they can either progress the case or register that they will update.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 23, 2020, 02:38:22 pm
Does anyone know if the list will be/has been made public at some point and/or what other schemes in GW-land are on it?
Thanks.

From press release notes from this morning's.   from the DfT ... a list of the ten projects.   I have quoted the full notes to editors as I can't see them anywhere on the web site

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Notes to editors

Parking

· Also under consideration is new guidance for privately owned car parks, such as those outside cinemas, and bike and e-bike rental companies to help them set up ‘park and walk/cycle’ schemes in areas across the UK - helping create more options for greener inner-city travel.

Light rail/buses funding

· Backdated to 12 May, the £283m investment will help increase bus and light rail services in line with social distancing guidelines, with measures to keep staff and passengers safe during the pandemic, including adjustments to vehicles, signage, deep cleaning and the provision of hand sanitiser.

· The light rail funding will support operators in Sheffield, Nottingham, Tyne and Wear, Manchester and the West Midlands.

A66

· The A66 is an important local and regional road, linking the east and west of northern England across the Pennines, from the M6 junction 40 at Penrith to the A1(M) at Scotch Corner.

· Results from the public consultation held last year as well as other important factors including minimising community severance and ensuring environmental protection were used to select the preferred route.

· Following preferred route announcement, Highways England will commence a range of engagement activities including holding focus groups with local stakeholders. In the coming months the project will move into the preliminary design phase which will involve more detailed surveys and refinement of the scheme design in preparation for the statutory public consultation in 2021.

Volunteering Matters

· Volunteering Matters are a key part of the Voluntary and Community Sector Emergency Partnership. This partnership was established in 2017 following the Grenfell fire to assist coordination amongst voluntary and community sector agencies, with DCMS providing a grant of £200,000 to the Partnership in March to support its working in response to COVID-19.

Beeching

· Bids progressing to the next stage come from across the country and include proposals to reinstate the Ivanhoe line in the East Midlands, and the Clitheroe-Hellifield line in the North West, as well as to reopen the Wellington and Cullompton stations in the South West. These rail links will help reconnect towns, ease congestion, regenerate economies and improve accessibility to jobs, homes and education.

· The Transport Secretary has also agreed to give £5m to further develop the plan to reinstate passenger services on the Ashington-Blyth-Tyne Line in Northumberland, in addition to the £1.5m initially pledged.

· Several lines and stations closed under Beeching have already been successfully re-opened. Todmorden Curve in West Yorkshire re-opened in 2015, enabling direct services from Burnley and Accrington to Manchester for the first time in forty years. The nineteen-mile Ebbw Vale branch line in South Wales, closed to passengers in 1962, was reopened in 2008 - with passenger demand exceeding predictions by 450%.

· The list of successful bids for this round is below:

Reopening Meir Railway Station between Stoke-On-Trent and North Staffordshire

Reinstatement of the Barrow Hill line between Sheffield and Chesterfield

Reinstatement of the Ivanhoe line

Reinstatement of branch lines on the Isle of Wight

Reinstatement of the Abbey line between St Albans Abbey and Watford Junction

Reopening of Wellington and Cullompton stations

Reinstatement of the Bury-Heywood-Rochdale lines

Reinstatement of the Clitheroe to Hellifield railway line

Reinstatement of rail access to Devizes via a new station at Lydeway

Reintroduction of passenger rail services on the Waterside line

Craig Owen
Senior External Affairs Manager (Aviation and Maritime), Group Communications


Two in our area ...

1. Cullompton and Wellington

2. Lydeway (Devizes Parkway)

Two close to our area

3. Waterside line (Southampton to Fawley)

4. Branch lines on the Isle of Wight


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Oxonhutch on May 23, 2020, 04:04:28 pm
'Reinstatement' of the Clitheroe - Hellifield Line is a bit disingenuous, or at least over-egged. There is a extant and used two track railway between those two towns with a Sunday passenger service. Maybe a reinstatement of weekday passenger service - hopefully with reopening of some intermediate stations - long closed.

Reinstatement of the nearby Colne - Skipton route - closed by Barbera Castle, not Richard Beeching - would be a proper and useful reinstatement.

Also 'Reinstatement of the Bury-Heywood-Rochdale lines'. As far as I am aware there is a single track railway on that route right now. And without CoVid, the East Lancashire Railway would be operating trains between between the first two localities.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: jdw.wor on May 23, 2020, 04:47:15 pm
If you think  the claim that a Clitheroe to Hellifield reopening is a little disingenuous, how about Watford to St Albans Abbey which is open and overhead electrified!!
It currently has a bus service because of the virus. Is this the start of there being a reopening inquiry after each time there is a bus replacement service???!! :)


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: RichardB on May 23, 2020, 04:52:53 pm
If you think  the claim that a Clitheroe to Hellifield reopening is a little disingenuous, how about Watford to St Albans Abbey which is open and overhead electrified!!
It currently has a bus service because of the virus. Is this the start of there being a reopening inquiry after each time there is a bus replacement service???!! :)

I'm guessing it's the Bricket Wood passing loop that is being talked about re Watford - St Albans. 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 23, 2020, 06:41:56 pm
If you think  the claim that a Clitheroe to Hellifield reopening is a little disingenuous, how about Watford to St Albans Abbey which is open and overhead electrified!!
It currently has a bus service because of the virus. Is this the start of there being a reopening inquiry after each time there is a bus replacement service???!! :)

I'm guessing it's the Bricket Wood passing loop that is being talked about re Watford - St Albans. 

Probably ... that's what's been talked about.    The line currently runs at train capacity with a service every 45 minutes which is rather too thin and very messy in terms of remembering when it's running - far from clock face.  http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/nrtt20/Table%20061.pdf . I used it a couple of years back ... took the connecting transfer bus from St Albans City to St Albans Abbey - got stuck in traffic and the bus designed to connect didn't.   On a short intermodal journey, a 45 minute wait feels a long time - even when poking round to take some good pictures for a quiz.

30 minute service, trains passing in the middle, sounds sensible and I expect the money is to work out in more detail than has been done so far ...
a) is it sensible
b) how would it be done
c) what would it cost



Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Celestial on May 23, 2020, 06:55:48 pm

30 minute service, trains passing in the middle, sounds sensible and I expect the money is to work out in more detail than has been done so far ...
a) is it sensible
b) how would it be done
c) what would it cost

You'd imagine with such a simple scheme that it wouldn't take too long to work out b) and c). 

How would it be done?  Um, with a passing loop of just the right length, at a convenient place roughly half way along the line.  Only debate would be whether to have it a) at a station, with all the additional costs of a second platform, b) at a station with a Penryn style arrangement or c) in between stations, to keep build costs to a minimum.

How much would it cost?  Well two relatively low speed switches and a bit of track, a simple signalling solution, and any station work depending on the answer above.   Running costs should be relatively easy to work out too.

How much consultancy will that take?     


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on May 23, 2020, 07:21:14 pm
I heard mention of Fleetwood whilst I was reading the paper during that broadcast. I can't see it mentioned anywhere since I started listening properly.

I did hear the minister refer to "post-Covid" spending to stimulate the economy. As not all of the schemes mentioned won't see the money, can I be the first to refer to the selection procedure as some sort of "post-Covid lottery"?


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 23, 2020, 07:45:12 pm
I heard mention of Fleetwood whilst I was reading the paper during that broadcast. I can't see it mentioned anywhere since I started listening properly.

Blyth / Washington, Fleetwood and Peterlee all got a mention outside the award list - I think they are separate and ahead, or different situations where the political can may drown the financial one.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: paul7755 on May 25, 2020, 10:41:52 am
I heard mention of Fleetwood whilst I was reading the paper during that broadcast. I can't see it mentioned anywhere since I started listening properly.

Blyth / Washington, Fleetwood and Peterlee all got a mention outside the award list - I think they are separate and ahead, or different situations where the political can may drown the financial one.
Definitely.  This ten is a new list of ideas in a particular process. It definitely must not be read as the only schemes on the DfT’s radar, I’ve seen this mistake being made in a number of forums.

Paul


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Celestial on May 26, 2020, 10:16:46 am

30 minute service, trains passing in the middle, sounds sensible and I expect the money is to work out in more detail than has been done so far ...
a) is it sensible
b) how would it be done
c) what would it cost

You'd imagine with such a simple scheme that it wouldn't take too long to work out b) and c). 

How would it be done?  Um, with a passing loop of just the right length, at a convenient place roughly half way along the line.  Only debate would be whether to have it a) at a station, with all the additional costs of a second platform, b) at a station with a Penryn style arrangement or c) in between stations, to keep build costs to a minimum.

How much would it cost?  Well two relatively low speed switches and a bit of track, a simple signalling solution, and any station work depending on the answer above.   Running costs should be relatively easy to work out too.

How much consultancy will that take?     
An interesting note from IanVisits which links to a report, which appears to have done all the leg work in terms of the above assessment.

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2020/05/26/funding-to-upgrade-the-railway-between-watford-and-st-albans/

and the report

http://www.abfly.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Abfly-report-v8.pdf

So given the overall pot for all the schemes mentioned was £500k to further investigation, I'm not sure what work needs to be done to progress this scheme, which could be achieved with the funding available. Which makes me suspicious that the whole announcement was a lot of fluff and very little meaningful substance.

(And the answers were a) yes, b) a Penryn passing loop, c) £9m.   )


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: hoover50 on May 27, 2020, 11:43:18 am
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Two in our area ...

1. Cullompton and Wellington

2. Lydeway (Devizes Parkway)


Building a new station at Lydeway (Devizes Parkway) is a stupid idea.

A far better solution would be to reinstate the branch line into Devizes town centre and extend the Bedwyn trains to terminate there.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Robin Summerhill on May 27, 2020, 11:49:20 am

Building a new station at Lydeway (Devizes Parkway) is a stupid idea.

A far better solution would be to reinstate the branch line into Devizes town centre and extend the Bedwyn trains to terminate there.

Which is cheaper and far more likely to happen?


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Celestial on May 27, 2020, 12:42:19 pm

Building a new station at Lydeway (Devizes Parkway) is a stupid idea.

A far better solution would be to reinstate the branch line into Devizes town centre and extend the Bedwyn trains to terminate there.

Which is cheaper and far more likely to happen?
Well it isn't a highly marginal constituency with an imminent general election, so I'm inclined to agree with you. Rebuilding a branch line for a town with a population of around 12,000 would appear to offer a poor benefit cost ratio, in comparison to other potential projects which might get support from senior government officials, such as Bishop Auckland to Barnard Castle. 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: ellendune on May 27, 2020, 01:31:44 pm
Well it isn't a highly marginal constituency with an imminent general election, so I'm inclined to agree with you. Rebuilding a branch line for a town with a population of around 12,000 would appear to offer a poor benefit cost ratio, in comparison to other potential projects which might get support from senior government officials, such as Bishop Auckland to Barnard Castle. 

Much safer for people with eyesight problems than driving to Barnards Castle.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 27, 2020, 03:33:18 pm

Building a new station at Lydeway (Devizes Parkway) is a stupid idea.

A far better solution would be to reinstate the branch line into Devizes town centre and extend the Bedwyn trains to terminate there.

Which is cheaper and far more likely to happen?

Devizes Parkway (Lydeway) v branch into Devizes

The capital cost of a branch into Devizes - £75 million to £90 million; new station at Lydeway - £15 million.  Five times as expensive into Devizes - would it bring five or six times the benefit?   I really doubt in, which means it would have a far less positive benefit cost ratio.

Questions to be answered if you look for a re-opened branch into Devizes

Where would you place Devizes Station?
a) Outskirts of town (Marshall Road)
b) Pans Lane
c) Behind Long Street
d) Station Road
Even to Marshall Road, you have considerable engineering
Inward of Marshall Road, the trackbed is obliterated under houses
Inward of Long Street, you would need to re-open Devizes Tunnel
At the main line (east) end, significant track needed beyond Lydeway to bring Devizes branch down to main line level
- Sure, they call all be overcome but not cheap

What services would use it? / How would it work?
You suggest extending the Bedwyns. Yes, but that would preclude them from extending to Westbury.
By extending the Bedwyns, you would be providing a long distance stopper to Reading (and that might be right)
Would you cater for Devizes westward traffic - to Westbury, the West Country, Bath and Bristol?
Devizes urban is around 15,000; Devizes AREA around 30,000. Would you provide parking at the Town Station?

Some Lydeway elements which would not apply to Town stations

Initial 2 hourly service by trains already passing the site
Those exisiting service are semi-fast - not the Bedwyn stoppers
Good options for travelling west as well as east
Picks up rural catchment without need to travel into / park in Devizes

I would agree that Lydeway is not perfect
- few people will walk there; perhaps some will cycle (but unless you go inwards of Pan's Lane, much the same applies to a Devizes branch)
- If you're headed for Bath / Bristol it will feel preverse from the town to start off heading east

Lydeway strikes me as probably right for a significant catchment that's fairly well spread;  had it been built while I lived in Easterton it would have been my local station rather than seeing the trains hurtling past on their way between Pewsey many miles to the east and Westbury many miles to the West.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: eightonedee on May 27, 2020, 06:44:42 pm
This is interesting - as someone who normally travels into Devizes from the northeast and leaves to the west (i.e. passing through by road on the A361) I do not know this side of town. If the parkway station is built on the south east side at Lydeway, it would be sensible to "grow" Devizes in this direction, as (in the absence of other planning constraints unknown to me) this would become a more sustainable location for residential development. And more people on this side of town should make any connecting bus service more sustainable, too.

Of course, if you currently live on the south east side of town you may not agree......


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 27, 2020, 08:18:40 pm
This is interesting - as someone who normally travels into Devizes from the northeast and leaves to the west (i.e. passing through by road on the A361) I do not know this side of town. If the parkway station is built on the south east side at Lydeway, it would be sensible to "grow" Devizes in this direction, as (in the absence of other planning constraints unknown to me) this would become a more sustainable location for residential development. And more people on this side of town should make any connecting bus service more sustainable, too.

Of course, if you currently live on the south east side of town you may not agree......

That is a natural side of the town to grow on ... to the west, north west and north east, leaving Devizes you soon hit steep hills - Dunkirk Hill, Caen Hill and the gully on the way to Potterne, with the old road / lane dropping to Drews Pond. Much more sensible to extend the town to the north east (that's the A361 but it runs into a bank of industry) and south east (the A342 via Lydeway).    The 270 bus should run every hour in a loop from Devizes via The Lavington, Urchfont and Lydeway back into Devizes already, alternate directions, so you already have a bus past the station lane.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: CyclingSid on May 28, 2020, 07:19:02 am
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I would agree that Lydeway is not perfect
- few people will walk there; perhaps some will cycle (but unless you go inwards of Pan's Lane, much the same applies to a Devizes branch)

So if you make it Lydeway, can you make the old track a cycle route to it. Probably the cheapest part of the many millions.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 28, 2020, 07:25:37 am
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I would agree that Lydeway is not perfect
- few people will walk there; perhaps some will cycle (but unless you go inwards of Pan's Lane, much the same applies to a Devizes branch)

So if you make it Lydeway, can you make the old track a cycle route to it. Probably the cheapest part of the many millions.

Utterly sensible provided it's dual use for walkers too.  The A342 (road Devizes past Lydeway) is fast and has a significant rise and fall.  Not sure if / how much has been filled in where the back lane / village street in Stert crossed over railway which was in a cutting. 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: chuffed on May 28, 2020, 07:41:45 am
A Devizes Central ? who says you don't get surprises livin' in Devizes..might have to Adge my bets ! ::)


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 28, 2020, 10:34:33 am
A Devizes Parkway could be the nudge needed to get the hourly Paddington to Bedwyn service extended to Westbury giving both it, and Pewsey, a boost.  It would also make westbound journeys from Hungerford, Kinrbury and Bedwyn much more attractive.  So, several winners if it happens - not just for Devizes itself.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: RichardB on May 28, 2020, 02:29:56 pm
A Devizes Parkway could be the nudge needed to get the hourly Paddington to Bedwyn service extended to Westbury giving both it, and Pewsey, a boost.  It would also make westbound journeys from Hungerford, Kinrbury and Bedwyn much more attractive.  So, several winners if it happens - not just for Devizes itself.

Another thought is that it could be the catalyst for getting the two hourly semi-fast Paddington - Taunton/Exeter services up to hourly.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on May 28, 2020, 02:36:53 pm
A Devizes Parkway could be the nudge needed to get the hourly Paddington to Bedwyn service extended to Westbury giving both it, and Pewsey, a boost.  It would also make westbound journeys from Hungerford, Kinrbury and Bedwyn much more attractive.  So, several winners if it happens - not just for Devizes itself.

Another thought is that it could be the catalyst for getting the two hourly semi-fast Paddington - Taunton/Exeter services up to hourly.

I totally agree, RichardB.  More than just clicking the "like" button.

Corollary. Would this hourly semi-fast also be the service provision for Wellington and Cullompton in due course (though we need to be careful not to link the cases to ensure that neither brings down the other if it fails).


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 01, 2020, 10:29:34 am
Reports from various sources that among the latest proposals submitted to the government are the reopening of the line to Wadebridge from Bodmin and an upgrade of the Newquay branch.


http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/calls-from-england-and-wales-to-restore-beeching-lines

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/50-rail-schemes-bid-for-beeching-cut-restoration-fund-01-07-2020/

https://www.railnews.co.uk/news/2020/06/30-dft-receives-50-bids-for.html


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: infoman on July 01, 2020, 01:00:39 pm
Ref the Newquay branch instead of an upgrade, increase in speed/s newer rolling stock, extra coaches? which would  a fortune

Maybe ask the residents of the Newquay area what time would suit them best to have an early morning departure from Newquay.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 01, 2020, 01:55:48 pm
Maybe ask the residents of the Newquay area what time would suit them best to have an early morning departure from Newquay.

An earlier departure from Newquay is part of the DA3 (Direct Award 3) deal.  07:12 from Newquay, starting next week by the looks of things?  Offers a just gone 9am arrival at Plymouth, Exeter for just gone 10am, and Paddington by 12:30.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 01, 2020, 04:47:05 pm
Reopening Ashburton to Buckfastleigh is also among the proposals, apparently.

Frustratingly, I can't find any details (on any)...





Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on July 01, 2020, 05:59:53 pm
Reopening Ashburton to Buckfastleigh is also among the proposals, apparently.

Frustratingly, I can't find any details (on any)...


I thought the section between Ahburton and Buckfastleigh became part of the enlarged A38, which would add a degree of difficulty to the reopening.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 01, 2020, 06:31:34 pm
Reopening Ashburton to Buckfastleigh is also among the proposals, apparently.

Frustratingly, I can't find any details (on any)...


I thought the section between Ahburton and Buckfastleigh became part of the enlarged A38, which would add a degree of difficulty to the reopening.
A stretch of it did. I have a vague memory of going to the Dart Valley Railway as a kid just before the line was severed at Buckfastleigh. Some argue there's space alongside the road to relay track which could rejoin the original formation nearer Ashburton. Looking at Google maps, it doesn't look very feasible to me, with a couple of junctions off the A38 adding to the 'fun'. A lot of expense for little economic gain - and it's an established heritage line.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 01, 2020, 07:25:33 pm
This came up on the forum a few years ago when the old Ashburton train station featured in a local masterplan:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=15323.msg220080#msg220080

Friends of Ashburton Station have a website which doesn't appear to have been updated for a while, and a more active Facebook page which talks about some of these issues:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/ashburtonstation





Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: johnneyw on July 02, 2020, 12:03:30 pm
Reopening Ashburton to Buckfastleigh is also among the proposals, apparently.

Frustratingly, I can't find any details (on any)...


I thought the section between Ahburton and Buckfastleigh became part of the enlarged A38, which would add a degree of difficulty to the reopening.

I have heard somewhere that part of the A38 enlargement plans included passive provision for the line to reach Ashburton again (even if by some deviation) and that this was provided by a stretch of widened embankment by the road. If so, it does seem to represent passive provision at it's lowest, token level.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Kernow Otter on July 03, 2020, 07:02:08 am
Lostwithiel to Fowey was not successful this round.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 11, 2020, 08:16:16 am
Does anyone know if the list will be/has been made public at some point and/or what other schemes in GW-land are on it?
Thanks.

No immediate list, but question has been asked.

From Business Live (https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/18-railway-lines-axed-beeching-18574426)

Listing the second batch ... and not sure what the definition of "South West" is.   I suspect it does not include Wiltshire, nor the Southampton area, where I am pretty sure of a couple of applications.

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The 18 South West bids

Ashburton and Buckfastleigh Junction Railway
Bristol West Capacity Enhancement
Charfield Station
Cirencester Community Rail Project
Goodrington and Churston Stations
Improvements at Pilning station and reinstating the footbridge to platform 2
Increased service provision Bodmin General – Bodmin Parkway
Light railway extension to the Barnstaple Branch (Chivenor Braunton) “TawLink”
Mid Cornwall Metro
New Station for Langport and Somerton Area
Primrose Line
Project Wareham – Complete the link
Radstock railway reinstatement
Reinstatement of Bodmin – Wadebridge railway and associated works
Restoring secondary services on the Great Western Main line
Shepton Mallet (Mendip Vale)
St Anne's Park station
Transforming the Newquay Line

List sorted into alphabetic order to avoid any hint of meaningful categorisation.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 11, 2020, 08:37:44 am
Further link from Rail Business Daily (https://www.railbusinessdaily.com/the-50-bids-made-to-the-second-round-of-restoring-your-railway-ideas-fund/)

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This funding is split into 3 categories to ensure we can support different projects at different phases of development. The 3 categories are:
* the Ideas Fund, to restore rail services (other than rail station creation or restoration)
* accelerating existing proposals, to increase development of a previously submitted rail proposals
* proposals for new or restored rail stations

The list of bids to the second round of the ‘Ideas Fund’ are:

the North West are:
the South Fylde Line Passing Loop
Kenyon Junction Station
reopening Golborne Railway Station
reinstatement of Bolton-Radcliffe / Bolton-Bury
reinstating Beeston Castle and Tarporley railway station
reopening of Midge Hall Station
re-doubling of the Mid Cheshire Line between Stockport and Altrincham and associated station reopening’s
the Stockport to Ashton Line
the Glazebrook Junction to Skelton Junction
the East Didsbury to Stockport
the North East are:
Consett – Newcastle Connection
Ferryhill Restoration

the East are:
reopening of the Wymondham-Dereham line
King’s Lynn to Hunstanton Railway

Yorkshire and Humber, are:
the reinstatement of the Beverley to York rail line
the restoration of a daily train service on the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway
the Upper Wensleydale Railway
restoring Passenger Rail to the Sheaf Valley
restoring a South Humber Link
the South Yorkshire Joint Railway
a new station at Waverley

the Midlands are:
reopening the Stratford upon Avon to Honeybourne-Worcester/Oxford (SWO) Railway Line
increasing stopping services at Radcliffe-on-Trent and Bottesford stations on the Poacher line between Grantham and Nottingham
increasing services to Nottingham and Leicester, via Syston and Loughborough from Melton Mowbray
reconnecting Ashfield Communities through the Maid Marian Line

South West are:
the Shepton Mallet (Mendip Vale)
the Radstock railway reinstatement
St Anne’s Park station
Primrose Line
transforming the Newquay Line
Mid-Cornwall Metro
the restoring of secondary services on the Great Western Main line
Goodrington and Churston Stations
a new station for Langport and Somerton area
Charfield Station
reinstatement of Bodmin to Wadebridge railway and associated works
increasing service provision Bodmin General – Bodmin Parkway
Ashburton and Buckfastleigh Junction Railway
Bristol West Capacity Enhancement
Light railway extension to the Barnstaple Branch (Chivenor Braunton) “TawLink”
the Cirencester Community Rail Project
Project Wareham – Complete the link
improvement of railway services at Pilning station, as well as reinstating the footbridge to platform 2

the South East are:
The Arundel Chord
the re-opening of Camberwell Station, London SE5
the unlocking of capacity and services through Bramley (Hants)
the Chinnor Railway Aston Rowant extension
the Carshalton Beeches step-free access

Wales are:
the Magor and Undy Walkway Station
restoring services on the Anglesey Central Railway between Gaerwen and Amlych

I searched for "the restoring of secondary services on the Great Western Main line"  and came to http://corshamrailwaystation.org

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Wiltshire Council has made a submission (sponsored by Michelle Donelan MP) to the 2nd tranche of the Department for Transport’s (DfT’s) Restoring Your Railway Ideas Fund. An expression of interest on restoring secondary train services to the Great Western Main Line was submitted on 22 May and the full submission (for appropriate initial study work to be undertaken) was sent on 19 June 2020.

As well as improving connectivity between Bristol to Oxford (and potentially further east) this would help realise new stations at Corsham and Royal Wootton Bassett / Swindon West. It would also potentially help realise new stations at Swindon East, Grove (Oxfordshire), Saltford and St Anne’s Park (West of England).

It is anticipated that the DfT will make an announcement on the submission in 6 – 8 weeks.

We will keep this page updated with any progress.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: ellendune on July 11, 2020, 08:58:36 am
Reinstatement of Bury or Radcliffe to Bolton is going to be tricky - several major incursions onto the routes.



Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: CyclingSid on July 12, 2020, 07:49:14 am
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the unlocking of capacity and services through Bramley (Hants)

Went through Bramley (Hants) yesterday. Both Basingstoke ends of the platforms closed off and preparation for building work. Are they going to install a bridge and lifts? With the level crossing the other end of the platforms it would not have struck me as the greatest priority (but I don't know the rules/guidelines).


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: stuving on July 12, 2020, 10:40:33 am
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the unlocking of capacity and services through Bramley (Hants)

Went through Bramley (Hants) yesterday. Both Basingstoke ends of the platforms closed off and preparation for building work. Are they going to install a bridge and lifts? With the level crossing the other end of the platforms it would not have struck me as the greatest priority (but I don't know the rules/guidelines).

No. Platform extensions for the introduction of 769s.

Bramley is one of those places with a very active (very) local council, so it even has an up-to-date village webs site (https://www.bramleypc.co.uk/en/)! This includes NR's notice of this work (https://www.bramleypc.co.uk/en/information-and-updates/local-news/news-from-around-the-parish/940-engineering-work-bramley-station-platform-extension), saying it should have finished by now (but it does have a Covid-19 caveat). It also has a piece (undated, and as far as I can see unlinked to) about the level crossing (https://www.bramleypc.co.uk/en/village-directory/65), explaining that NR don't rate it as needing closure or even a PRM-compliant replacement. In any case there isn't room for those huge ramps, so it's a cheapo bridge (£850,000) with steps or nothing. Since that would only benefit fit and impatient pedestrians, it was concluded it was probably not worth the trouble.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Robin Summerhill on July 12, 2020, 01:14:56 pm
...so it's a cheapo bridge (£850,000) with steps or nothing.

Is this an oxymoron?

Bearing in mind that the labour and material costs to build a couple of 5-bed detachd houses would be less than that,  I would be very interested to see the Bills of Qantities to see what materials are going into it. There must be some gold-plating somewhere...

Either that or something serious needs to be done about NR's costs, which ultimately we are all paying for.



Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Hal on July 13, 2020, 09:31:00 am
Oxford Mail reports today that reopening Wantage Road station is on the shortlist for consideration as part of this scheme.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on July 13, 2020, 11:26:07 am
Oxford Mail reports today that reopening Wantage Road station is on the shortlist for consideration as part of this scheme.

Good news. This was suggested in the "Connecting Communities" report of 2009.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: paul7755 on July 13, 2020, 07:11:50 pm
Surely this isn’t a “shortlist” yet, with the 50 items intended to be severely trimmed by DfT & NR?   ???

Paul


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 15, 2020, 09:58:59 am
Does anyone know if the list will be/has been made public at some point and/or what other schemes in GW-land are on it?
Thanks.

No immediate list, but question has been asked.

From Business Live (https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/18-railway-lines-axed-beeching-18574426)

Listing the second batch ... and not sure what the definition of "South West" is.   I suspect it does not include Wiltshire, nor the Southampton area, where I am pretty sure of a couple of applications.

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The 18 South West bids

Ashburton and Buckfastleigh Junction Railway
Bristol West Capacity Enhancement
Charfield Station
Cirencester Community Rail Project
Goodrington and Churston Stations
Improvements at Pilning station and reinstating the footbridge to platform 2
Increased service provision Bodmin General – Bodmin Parkway
Light railway extension to the Barnstaple Branch (Chivenor Braunton) “TawLink”
Mid Cornwall Metro
New Station for Langport and Somerton Area
Primrose Line
Project Wareham – Complete the link
Radstock railway reinstatement
Reinstatement of Bodmin – Wadebridge railway and associated works
Restoring secondary services on the Great Western Main line
Shepton Mallet (Mendip Vale)
St Anne's Park station
Transforming the Newquay Line

List sorted into alphabetic order to avoid any hint of meaningful categorisation.

Apart from the unclear "restoring secondary services on the GWML", there are a couple of other titles that aren't very informative. Does anyone know what the "Mid Cornwall metro" proposal is about or what the Newquay line transformation project contains?


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Celestial on July 15, 2020, 10:57:50 am

Apart from the unclear "restoring secondary services on the GWML", there are a couple of other titles that aaren't very informative. Does anyone know what the "Mid Cornwall metro" proposal is about or what the Newquay line transformation project contains?
Metro seems to be becoming a misused term to big up a local transport network that is nothing like one.  To me, a Metro is a very frequent metropolitan area (clue is in the name) rapid transport network with stops every couple of minutes. Turn up and go should be the norm.

As an example, we have the South Wales Metro, which is probably just about believable as a term, given the frequencies and type of vehicle involved. But then as a sop to North Wales, there has to be a North Wales Metro, which unless I'm mistaken will be nothing more than a normal decent (hopefully) train service.

The Mid Cornwall Metro I'm guessing will fall into the latter category, though I'll admit I know no more than that about it.

 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 15, 2020, 11:36:54 am

Apart from the unclear "restoring secondary services on the GWML", there are a couple of other titles that aaren't very informative. Does anyone know what the "Mid Cornwall metro" proposal is about or what the Newquay line transformation project contains?
Metro seems to be becoming a misused term to big up a local transport network that is nothing like one.  To me, a Metro is a very frequent metropolitan area (clue is in the name) rapid transport network with stops every couple of minutes. Turn up and go should be the norm.

As an example, we have the South Wales Metro, which is probably just about believable as a term, given the frequencies and type of vehicle involved. But then as a sop to North Wales, there has to be a North Wales Metro, which unless I'm mistaken will be nothing more than a normal decent (hopefully) train service.

The Mid Cornwall Metro I'm guessing will fall into the latter category, though I'll admit I know no more than that about it.

 

Yes! With the improved frequency of mainline services already in place, and the Falmouth branch pretty much at max. capacity, I am struggling to imagine what  a Mid Cornwall metro could mean. I wonder if it might be an alternative proposal to 'transform' Newquay line services.



Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Lee on July 15, 2020, 04:02:50 pm


"Tell me, it is your proposal, isn't it?"

"You've been working on it for 7 years."

"For the last time, what is the Mid Cornwall Metro??"

"I don't know! Nobody Knows!!"


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 16, 2020, 10:06:43 am

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Yes! With the improved frequency of mainline services already in place, and the Falmouth branch pretty much at max. capacity, I am struggling to imagine what  a Mid Cornwall metro could mean. I wonder if it might be an alternative proposal to 'transform' Newquay line services.


Burngullow to St Dennis Junction, train service every 30 minute from Falmouth Docks to Newquay with a St Austell reversal and new stations at Probus, Grampound Road, Burngullow and Treliscoe?


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2020, 11:38:18 am
Metro seems to be becoming a misused term to big up a local transport network that is nothing like one.  To me, a Metro is a very frequent metropolitan area (clue is in the name) rapid transport network with stops every couple of minutes. Turn up and go should be the norm.

Nowhere is the term more misused than in Bristol, with MetroBust. It acquired the name when the previous BRT brand, for Bust Rapid Transit, got too toxic. Someone will have to come up with a new branding. The idea of adding "Plus" to the end was killed off by Jobcentre Plus - I worked there, and never spotted the difference. "Mega" has gone to the cheap coaches run by Stagecoach. "Super" is right out.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 16, 2020, 12:15:05 pm
Don't get me started. Oh, sorry, you did...

[rant]
At least these other non-metropolitan metros contain the name of the place they serve. MetroBus could be anywhere in the world; indeed if you google it you'll find systems with this name in Australia and the USA as well as others in the U.K. Why? Because Bristol's neighbours will not allow the word 'Bristol' to be used in connection with any system which extends beyond the limited boundaries of the city.

Accepting thus that the name 'Greater Bristol Metro' is an impossibility, you might think that the local rail initiative for this region would be called MetroRail. That would seem like a logical companion to MetroBus, wouldn't it? Quite. Hence MetroWest, which could be anywhere or anything.
[/rant]


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: RichardB on July 16, 2020, 01:41:04 pm
"Mid Cornwall Metro" is about linking Newquay, St Austell, Truro and Falmouth.  Cornwall Council also want to look at what's next for the Falmouth line.  It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.

The Newquay proposals are about the capacity improvements needed to increase frequency on the existing line with an hourly service being the ultimate objective - reinstating a second platform at Newquay in the mix. 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 16, 2020, 01:53:14 pm
"Mid Cornwall Metro" is about linking Newquay, St Austell, Truro and Falmouth.  Cornwall Council also want to look at what's next for the Falmouth line.  It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.

The Newquay proposals are about the capacity improvements needed to increase frequency on the existing line with an hourly service being the ultimate objective - reinstating a second platform at Newquay in the mix. 

Many thanks, Richard - they saying "Google is your friend" came to mind for researching this one, but in this instance I found it not to be my friend (or if it was my friend, it was of the silent, secret-keeping type).

The elements being further evaluated or proposed for further evaluation look and sound utterly logical.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: CyclingSid on July 17, 2020, 07:00:12 am
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Because Bristol's neighbours will not allow the word 'Bristol' to be used in connection with any system which extends beyond the limited boundaries of the city.

Substitute "Reading" and it sounds like the same harmonious relations between Reading and its neighbours.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: eightonedee on July 17, 2020, 11:10:59 am
Or (all too often) almost any local authority area and its neighbours, especially when the local authority in question is a large town or city.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on July 17, 2020, 02:23:52 pm
Or (all too often) almost any local authority area and its neighbours, especially when the local authority in question is a large town or city.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, ends today's special topic: "Why didn't Bristol get trams back?"


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on July 17, 2020, 09:00:03 pm
At least these other non-metropolitan metros contain the name of the place they serve. MetroBus could be anywhere in the world; indeed if you google it you'll find systems with this name in Australia and the USA as well as others in the U.K.

I saw this one in Buenos Aires.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50123616691_064e2d8136_c.jpg)

The busway is a dual carriageway in the middle of a road that adds another 8 lanes.  We walked alongside for quite a while, without seeing more than one or two buses. I had assumed that 9 July was an important day in the Argentine calendar, but maybe that's when the bus runs, and I was there in a February. Apparently, there are plans for a real metro. Also, it seemed to follow the route of the railway into General Belgrano station.



Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 18, 2020, 01:04:52 am
Hadn't occurred to me until now that it's a bit eccentric to name a ship after a general. I mean, you wouldn't have a Nelson Tank or a bomber called a Guderian...


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: onthecushions on July 18, 2020, 08:02:48 am

Racking the memory, I think there were WW1 battleships named "Iron Duke" and "Marlborough". There were WW2 aircraft classes named "Wellesley" and "Wellington" and "Anson", also "Hampden".

Doubt if it scared the Germans, although the "Whitley" might have if they'd been to that area of Reading.

OTC


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Lee on July 18, 2020, 08:33:00 am

Racking the memory, I think there were WW1 battleships named "Iron Duke" and "Marlborough". There were WW2 aircraft classes named "Wellesley" and "Wellington" and "Anson", also "Hampden".

Doubt if it scared the Germans, although the "Whitley" might have if they'd been to that area of Reading.

OTC

I had to re-read that "Whitley" quote - I thought for a moment that you were referring to Da North Melksham Massive...


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 18, 2020, 02:53:11 pm
"Mid Cornwall Metro" is about linking Newquay, St Austell, Truro and Falmouth.  Cornwall Council also want to look at what's next for the Falmouth line.  It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.

The Newquay proposals are about the capacity improvements needed to increase frequency on the existing line with an hourly service being the ultimate objective - reinstating a second platform at Newquay in the mix. 
Thanks Richard. I scoured, Google, too, but could find no information. An integrated 'coast-to-coast' service linking the towns mentioned - and not to forget Penryn - would make a lot of sense, especially in summer.
Do you have any idea of the lines of thought concerning 'what's next' for the Falmouth line?

 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: onthecushions on July 18, 2020, 07:40:52 pm

It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.


This must represent the most extreme case of lack of enterprise and ambition, when compared with the other 59 bids.

OTC


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Bmblbzzz on July 18, 2020, 08:00:36 pm
...

Accepting thus that the name 'Greater Bristol Metro' is an impossibility, ...
They could have called it "WecaBus" but that sounds a bit too much like "wicker man".


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: stuving on July 18, 2020, 08:02:18 pm
...

Accepting thus that the name 'Greater Bristol Metro' is an impossibility, ...
They could have called it "WecaBus" but that sounds a bit too much like "wicker man".

Sounds more like "WeakerBus" to me.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: johnneyw on July 18, 2020, 08:14:59 pm
...

Accepting thus that the name 'Greater Bristol Metro' is an impossibility, ...
They could have called it "WecaBus" but that sounds a bit too much like "wicker man".

Sounds more like "WeakerBus" to me.

That sounds about right then!


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: TonyK on July 18, 2020, 09:06:51 pm
Hadn't occurred to me until now that it's a bit eccentric to name a ship after a general. I mean, you wouldn't have a Nelson Tank or a bomber called a Guderian...

My personal favourite is on the other side of the Andes, where the current maritime bearer of the name of founding father Bernardo O'Higgins is a submarine.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 19, 2020, 09:04:53 am

It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.


This must represent the most extreme case of lack of enterprise and ambition, when compared with the other 59 bids.

OTC

It could also be a very clever, sensible move - bidding within a core case rather than adding elements that would be nice but perhaps with "good" rather than "excellent" cases.  Keep it as a smaller, realistic and sharper project and avoid mission creep, avoid having elements on the periphery that can derail the whole project, and avoid justifications which make the whole thing look overoptimistic.  Just make sure that the plan does not rule out a station at Burngullow (or whatever it is) in the future.

I'm looking at sad examples of mission creep ... "it could have been built by now if we had gone with the original plans" and adding in elements ... "how has the price gone from £5 million to £18 million" and if the funders on this project are re-assured there's less chance of such things cropping up, there's more chance they will choose it.   This outside runner just could be a surprise that crosses the finishing line in one of the promotion places.



Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: onthecushions on July 19, 2020, 10:41:36 am

I hope that you are right.

I understand that "Burngullow" refers to a long standing (this is the West Country) proposal to relay c3km of line from St Dennis to the former St Dennis Jn to allow a direct Newquay  - St Austell service, rather than just the main line connection at Par. Student access to Cornwall College is an issue. A hobbyhorse of mine is that local schemes benefit more people than prestige projects which produce headlines and sound-bites.

There look to be less worthy schemes with higher priority.

OTC


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 19, 2020, 11:22:26 am

There look to be less worthy schemes with higher priority.


In railways, as in all other aspects of life, you don't get what you deserve - you get what you can negotiate!


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: RichardB on July 19, 2020, 11:49:41 am

I hope that you are right.

I understand that "Burngullow" refers to a long standing (this is the West Country) proposal to relay c3km of line from St Dennis to the former St Dennis Jn to allow a direct Newquay  - St Austell service, rather than just the main line connection at Par. Student access to Cornwall College is an issue. A hobbyhorse of mine is that local schemes benefit more people than prestige projects which produce headlines and sound-bites.

There look to be less worthy schemes with higher priority.

OTC


Yes, you're right.  That's what I mean by "Burngullow".   The aim now is to see what needs to be done to provide an attractive service on the branch line to Par and via Par to St Austell etc.  As I understand it (don't shoot the messenger!), the Burngullow - Parkandillack route would essentially need rebuilding to make it fit for passenger trains.  It's not just a case of rebuilding the missing bit. 


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: RichardB on July 19, 2020, 11:52:24 am
"Mid Cornwall Metro" is about linking Newquay, St Austell, Truro and Falmouth.  Cornwall Council also want to look at what's next for the Falmouth line.  It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.

The Newquay proposals are about the capacity improvements needed to increase frequency on the existing line with an hourly service being the ultimate objective - reinstating a second platform at Newquay in the mix. 
Thanks Richard. I scoured, Google, too, but could find no information. An integrated 'coast-to-coast' service linking the towns mentioned - and not to forget Penryn - would make a lot of sense, especially in summer.
Do you have any idea of the lines of thought concerning 'what's next' for the Falmouth line?

 

Absolutely, Andy.  On the Falmouth line, it's looking at, for example, what would be needed to go to a more frequent service still (e.g. maybe a loop at Perranwell) and whether a potential new park and ride station at Ponsanooth would be feasible.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: Andy on July 20, 2020, 03:19:42 pm
Thank you, Richard.  That is very interesting.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: MVR S&T on July 25, 2020, 05:56:32 pm
There is to be a pasenger train to run to Fawley:
SWR operated Fawley Branch train this coming Tuesday 28th.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q10000/2020-07-28/detailed

from : https://www.47soton.co.uk/

A VIP/press special perhaps.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 28, 2020, 11:06:11 am
There is to be a pasenger train to run to Fawley:
SWR operated Fawley Branch train this coming Tuesday 28th.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q10000/2020-07-28/detailed

from : https://www.47soton.co.uk/

A VIP/press special perhaps.

I did a little research ... got enigmatic answers which suggest that it was a test of some sort that was not supposed to have got any prior public attention.   This morning described as a "test train" within https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1288032452355727361/photo/1

With open data sources, it's kinda hard to run secret trains now.  Has also put an end to "Mystex"


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 28, 2020, 11:44:24 am
I wish the Fawley reintroduction luck. 

No immediate need to get excited though as it's nearly six years since Chiltern ran a VIP special over the Cowley branch in Oxford with a lot of talk since, but no construction work on the stations or a committed start date yet.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: stuving on July 28, 2020, 01:41:40 pm
There is to be a pasenger train to run to Fawley:
SWR operated Fawley Branch train this coming Tuesday 28th.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Q10000/2020-07-28/detailed

from : https://www.47soton.co.uk/

A VIP/press special perhaps.

I did a little research ... got enigmatic answers which suggest that it was a test of some sort that was not supposed to have got any prior public attention.   This morning described as a "test train" within https://twitter.com/PaulCliftonBBC/status/1288032452355727361/photo/1

With open data sources, it's kinda hard to run secret trains now.  Has also put an end to "Mystex"

There was a brief item on this on the local TV news at lunchtime - just sound bites from Peter Hendy and Mark Hopwood. No doubt Paul Clifton's longer piece will be on South Today tonight.


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 28, 2020, 02:20:03 pm
There was a brief item on this on the local TV news at lunchtime - just sound bites from Peter Hendy and Mark Hopwood. No doubt Paul Clifton's longer piece will be on South Today tonight.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/fawley20200728.jpg)


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: grahame on July 28, 2020, 06:38:01 pm
Press Release from SWR (https://www.southwesternrailway.com/other/news-and-media/news/2020/july/swr-runs-fawley-explorer-to-investigate-reopening-of-historic-branch-line)

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(http://www.wellho.net/pix/fawley_20200728_special.jpg)
Today, South Western Railway ran a special ‘fact-finding’ train, to investigate the potential re-opening of the Fawley branch line in Hampshire, after more than 50 years since regular passenger services ceased.

The special service follows a successful submission to the Department for Transport’s ‘Restoring your Railway Fund’ by Hampshire County Council. This funding will allow Hampshire County Council to carry out a feasibility study into reopening the line for passenger services once more.

The service became possible through cooperation between South Western Railway and Network Rail, who had to cut back undergrowth, test condition of the track, and prepare the train crew.

Boarding the train was Rail Minister, Chris Heaton-Harris; Network Rail Chair, Sir Peter Hendy; and representatives from Hampshire County Council and Southampton City Council.

Also joining the train was Nick Farthing, Chair of Three Rivers Community Rail Partnership, who have long campaigned for the opening of the line.

Whilst there is still work to be done before passenger services can resume, the national focus in expanding the rail network by utilising disused lines, provides hope that a return of services for this part of Hampshire maybe a step-closer to reality, helping to reconnect communities and promote public transport.

Rail Minister Chris Heaton-Harris said: “It is almost precisely 95 years since the line between Southampton and Fawley opened. Yet, due to the Beeching cuts, the last time passengers were able to travel this line England were lifting the Jules Rimet.

“While we can’t guarantee sporting supremacy again, we’ve been absolutely clear that we are determined to reconnect communities and level up infrastructure across the country. Taking steps towards restoring passenger journeys on lines like this demonstrates that commitment.

“The progress towards developing a business case for this restoration is testament to the energy and enthusiasm of local campaigners, and I share the passion they and other communities have to reopen and restore local lines.” 

Mark Hopwood, Managing Director of South Western Railway said: “Branch lines are vital to connect local communities, with many now out of use. Exploring the possibility of reopening disused lines for rail passengers is vital for us to reconnect our communities again.”

Network Rail Chair Sir Peter Hendy said: “Railways have a huge role to play in building environmentally-sustainable economic and social development and places like Marchwood, where the railway is still in place, are perfect examples of where we can help local communities grow. It’s great to see a passenger train down this line again and this has been a really useful event for our partners to understand what we might have to do to bring trains back permanently.”

Councillor Rob Humby, Deputy Leader of Hampshire County Council and Executive Member for Economy, Transport and Environment, said: “Hampshire County Council was very pleased that our bid to the Department for Transport’s restoring Your railways Fund was successful and we now look forward to working with the Department for Transport, Network Rail and stakeholders to review the evidence and undertake a business case for re-introducing passenger rail services on the Waterside line.”


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: RichardB on July 28, 2020, 11:38:24 pm
Quite a coup this!


Title: Re: DfT sifts 60 new rail plans
Post by: CyclingSid on August 05, 2020, 09:46:19 am
NFNPA approves Fawley Waterside https://www.newforestnpa.gov.uk/news/new-forest-national-park-authority-approves-fawley-waterside-development/ (https://www.newforestnpa.gov.uk/news/new-forest-national-park-authority-approves-fawley-waterside-development/)
"new community including 1,500 homes, 96,500 square metres of new commercial, civic and employment space, with a canal and dock and a boat stack."
"The development will be served by a new access off the B3053."
No mention of a rail link, missed opportunity or lack of communication?



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