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Title: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Conner on April 05, 2008, 17:18:14
Pictures from my recent trip to the Swanage Railway can be found here:http://connersgallery.fotopic.net/c1487592.html (http://connersgallery.fotopic.net/c1487592.html).
This includes my new avatar, it is certainly a better way to travel.  :D


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on April 05, 2008, 19:04:46
Welcome back!

Can't you just imagine D6515 on a rake of 6 Mark IIs from Portsmouth Harbour - or Weymouth - to Bristol and Cardiff on Summer Saturdays.    But I don't suppose there are any MkIIs available for such a service, are there? ;)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on January 25, 2009, 19:02:40
Not Great Western, but UK Railtours are running a through train London to Swanage on 1 April (first since 1972).  Provisional timings are Victoria dep 0855, return Waterloo 2030. Probably only of interest to those who can get to London easily mid week although I have manage to get advance fares from Chippenham. Details and bookings via Past Time.  http://www.pst-timerail.co.uk/index.php/news.html (http://www.past-timerail.co.uk/index.php/news.html)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on January 25, 2009, 20:36:43
If ever there was a line that needs reconnecting to the main rail network in terms of running a through service then this would be high up on the list as anyone who has been stuck in traffic going in or coming out of Swanage in the summer can testify!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: John R on January 26, 2009, 00:01:21
Good luck to them. Having spent a week in Swanage a couple of years ago, it's a lovely railway, and has developed really well over the last 20 years. Of all the railways that could successfully connect to the national network, the Swanage probably has most to gain if it can pull it off.

Barry Doe was very critical of preserved railways not trying to connect to the main line or provide a scheduled service recently. I have a lost of respect for Barry, but I was surprised at his comments. The fact is, whether it is the regulations surrounding the connection with the main line (as in the WSR), or the cost and commitment involved in providing a regular scheduled service, it is a huge commitment for any preserved railway.     


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: MarkRanger on February 12, 2009, 13:34:34
I do agree that the Swanage line could gain so much from a connection.

I see also that one through train is now four! http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news503.htm

'Nuff said??

Mark


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on February 12, 2009, 17:42:34
Great to see an extra three through trains are running this spring.

Though I share the excitement of the Chairman at the possibility of daily Wareham-Swanage services returning in 2013, why do we have to wait so long for these things to happen when they are needed now?


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 30, 2009, 20:57:55
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The first passenger train since 1972 is set to run on an historic steam-powered railway in Dorset next week.
The special train - called the Purbeck Pioneer - will depart from London's Victoria Station on Wednesday.
It is 37 years since the last British Rail passenger train ran on the Swanage Railway between Wareham, Corfe Castle and Swanage on 1 January 1972.

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7969743.stm


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on March 30, 2009, 21:57:42
And I will be on it!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 30, 2009, 22:17:54
Brilliant, rogerw - lucky you!

Any possibility of a photo or two?

Best wishes, Chris  ;)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on March 31, 2009, 13:03:18
If I remember my camera. I've got a 0530 start!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on April 02, 2009, 18:04:50
An excellent day all round.  Much public and media interest
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/7975915.stm
Thanks must go to the Swanage Railway, Network Rail and John Farrow of UK Railtours for making it happen
Will post some pictures later


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on April 02, 2009, 21:39:53
Some pictures from the day


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Lee on November 24, 2009, 19:58:51
From the Bournemouth Echo: (http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/4757831.First_Swanage_to_London_train_since_1966/)

Quote from: Bournemouth Echo
First Swanage to London train since 1966

Swanage Railway enthusiasts will be turning back the clock on Saturday with the first steam train between the Dorset town and central London for more than 40 years.

The trip from Swanage, through Corfe Castle and into Waterloo station has not been completed by steam train since 1966, the year England^s football team lifted the World Cup.

But for the army of Swanage Railway supporters, Saturday^s five-hour journey will be no less of a victory than the nation^s Wembley triumph 43 years ago.

Swanage Railway Trust chairman Steve Doughty said: ^It will be a very historic and emotional day for everyone involved in the Swanage Railway.^

For many volunteers, the trip marks the end of a personal journey that started back in 1976, when a group of steam enthusiasts formed Swanage Railway from scratch.

Mr Doughty said: ^m absolutely delighted that the day has now arrived when the residents of Swanage and the Isle of Purbeck can once again travel to London and back by train.^

The Capital Christmas Express, pulling 11 coaches, is scheduled to depart Swanage station at 8am, with the 1940s-built Southern Railway Battle of Britain class Bulleid Pacific express steam locomotive No 34067 Tangmere leading the way.

Saturday^s journey is a one-off, run by the Railway Touring Company based at King^s Lynn in Norfolk.

But talks are continuing behind the scenes to get the 10-mile branch line between Wareham, Corfe Castle and Swanage linked up with the national network.

Mr Doughty explained: ^This is yet another important step forward for our project and further consolidates the Swanage Railway^s link to the national network, which has been the aim of several generations of volunteers since British Rail closed the line from Wareham in January 1972.

He added: ^Everyone on the Swanage Railway is very grateful to Network Rail and train operator West Coast Railways for its help in running this train over the three miles of line between Furzebrook and the main line at Wareham, which is currently closed to regular passenger trains.^


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2010, 17:42:47
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/8619942.stm):

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Swanage steam and diesel railway in Dorset is holding a rescue exercise for the county's emergency services.
The training for police, ambulance and fire crews and Swanage Railway staff will involve carrying out a rescue in an area which is challenging to reach.
The mock train crash is taking place about a mile north west of Corfe Castle on 17 April.
Swanage Railway's steam train services on the day of the exercise will not be affected and will be running as normal.
Alan Greatbatch, exercise organiser and volunteer, said: "The safety of the public is always the Swanage Railway's primary concern. We have to plan and rehearse for the very unlikely, such as the scenario in this emergency exercise where a cyclist collides with a train on a level crossing."
Volunteers will be playing the casualties, a cyclist and the passengers on the train. They will all be made up with realistic injuries.
The organisers have requested that the public do not try to attend the exercise as any space will be required by the emergency services.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 31, 2010, 15:11:53
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-10810290):

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Swanage railway reconnection to network to go ahead

A Dorset town will be re-connected to the national rail network, restoring a link broken almost 40 years ago.

The Swanage Railway Trust had to raise ^3m so Network Rail can connect the Swanage line to the main network for the first time since 1972.

Purbeck District Council announced its support on Thursday a week after Dorset County Council gave its backing.

The funding is needed for re-signalling of the Wareham to Swanage branch line at Worgret Junction.

Once the work is completed regular passenger train services will resume from Wareham to Corfe Castle and Swanage.

The line is currently maintained by the Swanage Railway Trust which runs regular steam train trips between Norden and Swanage.

Councillor Beryl Ezzard, Purbeck's housing and social issues spokesperson, said: "The proposal helps to underpin one of the targets set out under the council's priority of helping all people access services locally. It has been a long journey to get to this point, but we can now progress to once again linking the district by rail, which will have enormous benefits for residents, commuters and visitors, and relieve congestion in the district."

Dorset County Council will now confirm to Network Rail that the reconnection will be included in the Purbeck Transportation Strategy.

The strategy was set up to improve movement around the district, taking traffic away from the congested A351 by using alternative forms of transport, a spokesman from the district council said.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Cruithne3753 on August 01, 2010, 13:21:08
Hmm, interesting... been considering a quick weekend excursion down Swanage way, the weak link in the journey being Wareham-Norden... either wait how long for a bus, or it's an hour's trudge with a good weight on my back.  Other than that, it's finding a good place to camp for the night with maybe just a couple of days notice.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on August 01, 2010, 14:35:44
Hmm, interesting... been considering a quick weekend excursion down Swanage way, the weak link in the journey being Wareham-Norden... either wait how long for a bus, or it's an hour's trudge with a good weight on my back.  Other than that, it's finding a good place to camp for the night with maybe just a couple of days notice.

Look also at the bus to Swanage via the Sandbanks Ferry - still a bus ride, but a fun one!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: John R on August 01, 2010, 19:49:52
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2480068/Passengers-escape-injuries-as-open-topped-bus-overturns-in-Dorset.html

Sometimes more exciting than you might wish it to be.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on August 01, 2010, 22:53:44
wow that could have been horrific


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: JayMac on August 04, 2010, 19:50:53
From the Dorset Echo (http://www.thisisdorset.net/news/tidnews/8311010.Rail_fans_chuffed_at___3million_boost_for_Swanage_link/?ref=rss):

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Train enthusiasts are chuffed after scooping ^3million to link Swanage Railway to the main line. They hope it will be full steam ahead for the project after Dorset and Purbeck councils together pledged cash for vital main line re-signalling work by Network Rail. The works will keep hopes alive for a permanent year-round train service to run from the main line at Wareham to Corfe Castle and Swanage.

Swanage Railway Trust chairman Steve Doughty said: ^We are absolutely delighted at this important once in a generation opportunity and long-term commitment to the development of public transport in Dorset. It keeps the door open for an all-year-round community train service and so deliver one of the Swanage Railway^s original goals from 1972, when the last daily service ran. We still have a long way to go but this is the most important step.^

Purbeck District Council approved the upgrade of the connection of the Swanage Railway to the national rail network as part of its Purbeck Transportation Strategy at a meeting in Wareham. Dorset County Council also voted to support the project. Up to ^3million across three years will come from a transport development fund which property developers pay into ^ the money being collected by Purbeck District Council and spent by Dorset County Council as the transport authority for the Isle of Purbeck.

Network Rail plans to re-signal the main London to Weymouth line between Poole and Wool during 2012.  If Worgret Junction is re-signalled at the same time it will cost ^3million. If the junction is re-signalled at a later date, it could cost up to ^10million.

The next step is for the Swanage Railway to take responsibility for the three and a half miles of Network Rail single line between Worgret Junction, Furzebrook and Motala which is the start of the Swanage Railway tracks to Corfe Castle and Swanage. Once acquired, the Swanage Railway would upgrade the three and a half miles of single line to the standards required for a regular service to Wareham.



Hack School Lesson #27: Whenever writing a positive story about steams trains be sure to describe those involved as "chuffed". Also phrases such as "full steam ahead" (although nautical in origin) and "back on track" should be included.

Should the story be less positive then phrases such as "off the rails" and "end of the line" should be used.  :P ;D


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: readytostart on August 04, 2010, 22:16:37
And if it needs re-thinking, then 'All change!'


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: JayMac on August 04, 2010, 22:31:45
And of course, if writing a news story about a rail project that has failed, then it must be described as having "hit the buffers".


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on August 05, 2010, 12:10:36
Project announced - 'green lighted' -  >:(
Project then 'has brakes applied'
Project then 'given red light', or 'off the rails'...

Reminder for BBC journalists though.

Last year there were about three 'first trains' to or from Swanage via Wareham reported by the BBC. For these to have taken place, the Swanage Railway used its existing connection, so it isn't being 'reconnected'. It is being resignalled for normal use...

Paul 


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: inspector_blakey on August 09, 2010, 21:43:29
Now, you won't find a bigger supporter of the railway preservation movement than me, and I don't wish to sound too cynical, but I really have to question whether this is an optimal use of Purbeck District Council's money. To use that dread phrase, "in the current economic climate" if I was a council tax payer in that area I would have serious reservations about whether splashing GBP 3m on what is essentially a vanity project for the Swanage Railway represents a good use of money that I suspect could be more usefully spent elsewhere. After all, the Swanage railway is going to remain essentially a tourist operation, since if it was given over to provide any serious attempt at forming part of a public transport system that would jeopardize its whole character.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: autotank on August 10, 2010, 12:10:32
I agree with you, but questions should also be asked of NR. How can a price tage of ^3 million be justified for what surely is a fairly basic junction upgrade. OK a new crossover probably needs to be installed, but it only needs to be a 15-25mph one. I think NR should spend some time at a few heritage railways to learn how to do projects more cost effectively! Some of the costs associated with the modern railway are truly eye watering and I can rarely see any justification.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: MrC on August 10, 2010, 13:27:50
How can a price tage of ^3 million be justified for what surely is a fairly basic junction upgrade.
I'm guessing it's not just a basic junction upgrade. The whole line between Parkstone and Moreton is being resignalled and will be controlled by Bournemouth ASC. So all the logic in the ASC has to be a fair bit more involved to handle the boundary between an axle counter area and a traditional absolute block area. This all has to be tested to destruction by Siemens (presumably as I think they provided the original kit for Bournemouth). There may also be added complications for having to double-block Swanage trains (depending on what derogations, if any, they get - eg TPWS, OTMR). Depending on the layout there may need to be reversible working which might not otherwise be needed. Then there's the possibility that NR might have had plans for Worgret Jcn to be plain lined as without the Swanage connection there's no real reason for anything to go down there any more.
OK a new crossover probably needs to be installed, but it only needs to be a 15-25mph one. I think NR should spend some time at a few heritage railways to learn how to do projects more cost effectively! Some of the costs associated with the modern railway are truly eye watering and I can rarely see any justification.
Is there definitely going to be a new crossover (see above - there's already a crossover each side of Wareham station)? The speed of the crossover doesn't really come into it. Plus there's a /huge/ difference between what's acceptable on heritage railways and what happens on main lines nowadays.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: autotank on August 10, 2010, 15:42:55
I've heard that if the ^3m was not raised then NR would be obliged to maintain the current arrangements when re-signalling. Therefore the junction must be retained it's just a question of if it is upgraded to regular passenger carrying standard or occasional freight use. Therefore some infrastructure needs to be maintained at the junction, and the additional cost of upgrading I find really hard to believe would cost ^3m - given the large amount of resource already commited to the Dorset resignalling the additional cost of the junction work surely can't be that much.

Out of interest how much did the WSR junction upgrade cost a few years ago?


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: MrC on August 11, 2010, 08:11:10
Therefore the junction must be retained it's just a question of if it is upgraded to regular passenger carrying standard or occasional freight use.
If they retained the existing Jcn then they'd just need to keep a ground frame (either locally or remotely unlocked) and a position light signal or two somewhere all of which would be vastly simpler than a fully signalled automated link to an AB area. There really is a huge difference. Think about how the system is going to have to prove a route for a Swanage train, or a non-Swanage train, plus any potential conflicting movements. How will it interface with Wareham foot crossing? The ASC is set up so that a signaller can set up a route from an entry point to an exit point and then basically sit back and watch. Adding the Swanage, especially if they're having to cater for routes from Swanage past Wareham (eg to the proposed Holton Heath park & ride, or to Poole, or outside the ASC area, or in the Weymouth direction) means adding a whole new layer of complexity in train routing, the logic and software to handle it and the testing needed to get certified. That's where the real costs are, not in nuts and bolts at junctions - although also bear in mind that for the fully signalled option the NR system would have to extend for some way onto the branch.

I, like you, don't like the cost of this but I can see where some of it is coming from.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 01, 2012, 14:38:30
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-16370302):

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Swanage Railway closure anniversary marked by signalman

A retired Network Rail signalman is to return to a Dorset railway to mark the 40th anniversary of its closure.

The last British Rail train from Swanage to Corfe Castle and Wareham ran on New Year's Day in 1972.

Since the closure, Swanage Railway has been rebuilt from scratch by volunteers and ran its first passenger train in 2009.

Bob Richards, the signalman on the last journey in 1972, will be joined by former passengers for the anniversary.

Those passengers include Peter Sills and his father Frederick Sills, from Wareham, as well as Malcolm Munro, from Wool.

Peter Sills and Mr Munro will bring along their last British Rail train tickets from 1972, which cost 25p and 50p respectively.

Mr Sills, volunteer chairman of the Swanage Railway Company, said: "When I rode on that last train as a 14-year-old with my father in 1972, I never ever thought the railway would come back - especially when the tracks were ripped up for scrap during the summer of 1972."

Mr Richards said: "It will be a strange feeling to stand on Corfe Castle station exactly 40 years to the day since I signalled the last British Rail train from Swanage to Corfe Castle and Wareham on that dark and very cold night back in January, 1972.

"It was a very sad day indeed and no-one thought the railway would ever come back."


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on February 11, 2012, 07:06:02
From The Dorset Echo http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/9516625.Purbeck_rail_link_a_step_nearer/?ref=ms
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A dream to run regular trains from a Dorset branch onto the main line is one step closer to reality.
 
Oil giant BP says it will pay for a crucial ^500,000 level crossing on the Swanage Railway.
 
The crossing near Norden is required before regular trains can run between Swanage and the railway network at Wareham - currently they only run to Norden.
 
The donation from BP comes after it sold its majority shareholding in the Wytch Farm oilfield in Purbeck to Perenco.
 
The other major improvement needed before trains can run to Wareham is a ^3 million re-signalling project at Worgret Junction near the main line which is due to be completed by May next year.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 16, 2012, 20:29:16
From the Dorset Echo (http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/9709059.Minister_to_open_signal_box/):
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Minister to open signal box

Transport minister Theresa Villiers will make tracks to a Dorset heritage railway to officially open a new signal box. She will visit the Swanage Railway tomorrow for the ceremony at Corfe Castle before travelling on a steam train down the relaid Purbeck line.

The signal box will enable regular trains to travel onto the main line towards Wareham, a dream of Swanage Railway volunteers since the line was rebuilt. It will be connected to Network Rail^s signalling centre once the ^33million Poole to Wool re-signalling scheme is complete next year.

The signal box was built at Corfe Castle station in 2008 costing ^48,000. It was made to look like an original Victorian box which had stood on the same site and won a heritage award.

Corfe Castle signal box project manager Mike Whitwam said: ^We^re delighted the Minister of State for Transport has accepted our invitation to open the new Corfe Castle signal box. It^s a tremendous honour and an acknowledgement of the signal box^s importance as part of the re-instatement of regular passenger trains between Swanage and Wareham.^


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: JayMac on March 30, 2013, 20:03:04
From the BBC (http://):

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A modern passenger train has travelled on a Dorset heritage railway line for the first time in more than 40 years.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/66677000/jpg/_66677271_0001corfecastleandrewpmwrightapmw_1746.jpg)

The SouthWest Trains diesel train travelled on the Swanage Railway to highlight work to reinstate the Swanage to Wareham passenger service.

The volunteer-run line recently won a ^1.47m government Coastal Communities Fund grant to upgrade the track.

It closed in 1972 after the Beeching Report. Chairman Peter Sills described the new work as "Beeching in reverse".

Invited guests travelled on the train from Bournemouth on the main network, on to Wareham and Swanage.

Phil Dominey of SouthWest Trains said it was a "historic journey", coming 50 years after the Beeching report which led to the closure of many UK rail lines including services in Dorset.

The line was rebuilt as a steam railway tourist attraction in the 1980s and 90s.

The passenger service, connecting the line to the national rail network, is expected to begin in spring 2015. It is thought it could create up to 50 jobs in the area.

Worth pointing out that this line was not ear-marked for closure in Beeching's The Reshaping of British Railways report. It was Barbara Castle in late 1967 who signed off on the closure plans after the line failed to meet the criteria for subsidy for a social need. The line struggled on for another 4 years whilst arguments about the social need and the ability of replacement bus services to cope, raged. It finally closed to passengers in January 1972.

Another example of a closure for which Beeching is unfairly blamed.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Electric train on March 30, 2013, 21:19:37
Another example of a closure for which Beeching is unfairly blamed.

Quite true, Beeching did set out the formula which BRB and DoT continued to use for a decade or more to close lines and stations .......... it's all history now the great thing is that there is some reversals


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on March 30, 2013, 22:06:58
From the BBC:

A modern passenger train has travelled on a Dorset heritage railway line for the first time in more than 40 years since last December...

Quote adjusted...

Paul


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ROGace on March 31, 2013, 14:10:34
not quite true,

a virgin cross country voyager went down the line some years ago...http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news159.htm

i m very pleased in the SWT trial and that i am sure one day regular London services will start again

roger, dorset.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: CLPGMS on March 31, 2013, 15:41:40
I think that I am correct in saying that the visit of SouthWest Train's Class 159 was the first occasion when one of the normal train operating companies has operated over the Swanage branch carrying passengers.  No doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong.

There have been visits by TOCs before (e.g. the Virgin Voyager and a SWT Class 158) but, as far as I am aware, they have only carried railway staff, not members of the general public.   I understand that the trip on 26th March was for invited guests, members of the Purbeck  Community Rail Partnership and for Swanage Railway staff.

Swanage has become a popular destination in recent years for charter trains (both steam and diesel) operated by heritage stock.  2013 could see a change, with FGW planning a HST charter there from Worcester on 28th September.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ChrisB on April 01, 2013, 17:22:28
Hmmm, the CLPG is planning that charter....


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: swrural on April 01, 2013, 19:34:19
not quite true,

a virgin cross country voyager went down the line some years ago...http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news159.htm

i m very pleased in the SWT trial and that i am sure one day regular London services will start again

roger, dorset.

I hope you are right Roger, (at least as far as Bournemouth if not Southampton or Waterloo) but the vibes I am getting from publications is that the smart 159 is but a delusion.  AIUI, they want to run a smelly old 1950s dmu just as far as Wareham, where you will have to change and wait for the Weymouth to turn up.

I don't see that being a draw for Swanage area commuters but who knows how many masochists there are in Purbeck?

I actually hope I am wrong about this.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on April 01, 2013, 20:19:34
All the current evidence is that the recent SWT visits are nothing whatsoever to do with a future through service, but about SWT hiring the line for a few days to trial the 158/159 units with modified gearboxes away from NR infrastructure and its normal traffic.

The recent info on the Swanage Railway website is still all about using overhauled Mk1 DMUs shuttling to/from Wareham only.

As I see it, commercial through fares are going to be the big problem - the pence per mile fare on the typical heritage line is far more than the equivalent on the national network; and the $64,000 question is how a heritage line can guarantee a reliable commuter service all year round using volunteer staff. 

I'd expect regular travellers would want the sort of discount for a weekly season they get from SWT as well - 60% off or whatever...

Paul


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: MrC on April 01, 2013, 20:23:10
I hope you are right Roger, (at least as far as Bournemouth if not Southampton or Waterloo) but the vibes I am getting from publications is that the smart 159 is but a delusion.  AIUI, they want to run a smelly old 1950s dmu just as far as Wareham, where you will have to change and wait for the Weymouth to turn up.

That's pretty well on the money and yes the current 158/159 route clearance and traincrew route learning is primarily for off-NR metals gearbox testing. The Swanage Railway and their partners currently intend to run a couple of diesel mechanicals on a Swanage - Wareham shuttle at least in the first year or two. Whether the practicalities (ie TIN insurance, full time traincrew/signalling/p-way/station employees with all the relevant competencies maintained, 24x7 unit NR certified availability, etc, etc) of providing a better service mean that they (or someone else) provide a better service longer term is anyone's guess. It's always possible the SR or Dorset County Council (who own the line after all) could run the DMMUs as a heritage trip to Wareham during the off-peaks, and contract out a proper peak time commuter service as far as say Bournemouth to someone else better placed to do so. But that's all a long way in the future.

Personally I wouldn't sacrifice the commuter comforts of a modern car for a rattly old DMMU however well maintained AND having to change at Wareham. I can also see that the challenges and demands of providing a full-blown commuter service on a heritage line like the SR may not be what some of the volunteers there actually want!!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on April 01, 2013, 22:39:34
Figures I've seen suggest a 40 to 50% loss of traffic if you require people to change trains, so a Swanage to Wareham (change for anywhere else) isn't going to loose "everyone".   But - if you ran that train through to Waterloo, you have a round trip time of 6 hours, so for a train every 2 hours you'll need 4 sets.  And they'll be diesel, running 5 hours out of six on 3rd rail track (unless you electrify to Swanage?).   Now - they could possibly replace / be extensions of other services so you don't end up with overprovision east of Poole or Bournemouth, but chances are that the easy way to do it would be to extend the trains that terminate at Poole at the moment; it would actually be much quicker to make a 10 minute connection at Wareham.

I'm not saying these are insummountable problems - or that the service needs to go through to London.  I don't have the details / options / figures.  I have considered TransWilts to London and compared the lines.   Swanage is quite a small town by comparison to Melksham or Trowbridge, but it's much more attractive to tourists at the moment. That element brings its own issues of seasonality, and at Swanage there's no traffic going beyond to other destinations.  But "Change at Swindon" works for us / our figures, as does "even a 142, please", and no reason why similar would not work for Swanage if the demand is enough.

Now ... if someone would build a big shed for preserved 3rd rail electrics on the land to the South of Brockenhurst station and run that line using them ... sorry - going off topic here.   But I do note that Lymington has the possibility of electric to Southampton or London but it doesn't happen, so what chance electric Swanage to Southampton or London?

Yes - I am aware of the interesting health and safety issues of running steam locos with volunteers and having a rail carry 660v alongside the other two!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ROGace on April 02, 2013, 09:48:40
yes in the near term the SR with PurbeckDC and DorsetCC funding intend to run the heritage DMU's only as far as W'ham.
The SR has always wanted Wareham to be included and are right behind it.

sadly the costs involved for the track and more-so the signal upgrades are much higher than they needed to have been because the Bay platform the Swanage train will have to use is on the north side of the station which means now it will have to cross the Down and Up lines on arrival and departure into Wareham.
the south-side Bay platform is still there but sadly now flanks the station car park.

the councils down here really want this to be a viable alternative (they did fund a lot of this) to the car as for those of you who live or commute in this area (and know the roads) then you know that a train may be come an attractive alternative to some if not many in time.

The DCC now has very limited funds to assist supporting subs to rural transport; buses rail etc so this really needs to work.
the early bus in the morning peak (the X53) bus for commuters to go from Weymouth via Wareham to Poole to get to work has recently been shelved by First Bus so things here are a bit grim with no doubt more cuts to come.

The 2012 Olympics offered a shed-load of cash to upgrade transport infrastructure in this area and the Weymouth A354 new link road was built rather than upgrading any rail infrastructure between B'mth and Weymouth. (as you may know the 750 DC third rail is woefully short of juice meaning longer or extra electric trains on many sections means blowing a large fuse lol)
Trials before the Olympics with 2 x class 444 joined together saw the train down to a crawl at Upwey.

Third rail to Swanage will never happen and from what appears on the cards is no more cash now for 3rd rail electricity power supply upgrades on B'mth-Weymouth.
Under the wires is mooted in the long term.


Going back to the thought of through trains into Swanage from London or the North is a very viable future option and like Newquay now, may be summer only.


we have seen the growth on the Heart of Wessex line from Weymouth.
But through trains to Weymouth from the North stopped years ago in Virgin XC days and have not been re-instated.

FGW never ran a through HST from Paddington to Weymouth but many of us would prefer that down here than to SWT's offerings to Waterloo.
I am surprised they never have.  journey times would be little different.

anyway, it always great to chat on here!
Regards.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: CLPGMS on April 02, 2013, 10:46:17
From what I can see from a photograph (attached) in the latest issue of the "Swanage Railway Magazine", Network Rail has installed a crossover at the London end of Wareham station.  This should enable trains from Swanage to terminate at the up platform and then to move out of the way into a siding on the down side to allow a train from Weymouth to provide a same platform connection to Bournemouth/London.  In the reverse direction, after departure of a London-Weymouth train from Wareham, the unit can emerge from the siding and provide a same platform connection to Swanage.

This is my own interpretation of the situation as I have not seen any reference to reinstating a bay platform at Wareham.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ROGace on April 02, 2013, 10:54:58
thank you for that PIC, most interesting...

the south side bay cannot be re-instated because the car park is there now.

so it may seem the re-statement of the north side bay will not be needed as the trains will run in on the up
platform  then cross over and departure will be from the down?

cheers Rog



Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: John R on April 02, 2013, 11:57:20
Bear in mind that for the first couple of years a service on 50 days a year, rising to 90 is envisaged. So this rules out commuter traffic straight away. I am guessing that the emphasis will be on providing a link for holidaymakers and weekenders, eg with trains on Friday through to Sunday in the peak summer months, and maybe a token service at other times of the year.

However, if success is dependent on holiday traffic, then that makes marketing the service more tricky, as effectively you need to sell it across the country. This can only work if owners of accommodation in Purbeck assist by making it clear in their marketing that a rail option is available. And for them to do that there needs to be certainty as to the service well in advance, for which the 2015 start date will be helpful.

I'm reminded of the ill fated Bristol to Minehead service a few years ago which suffered from being launched too late to capture any meaningful business. I'm sure that won't have been lost on those involved with this project.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: swrural on April 02, 2013, 14:15:09
Clearly the object initially is just to provide a park and ride 50 days per year whereby instead of parking at the present preserved railway facility at Norden, another option is that one parks at one's home station and 'rails' to Swanage.  That could be very good for all rail companies, actually, so a 'good thing',  but to describe that in terms of 'commuters', as the press did, was ridiculous.

On the enthusiasm of the local county council for sustainable transport, I have to admit a bias against it, as I contested the A354 Weymouth road carving through the ancient Ridgeway, to the bitter end.  Its attitude to the alternative sustainable options was just to say they were not relevant, without providing any evidence, as we opponents did.  However, the local MP got it through (and then promptly lost his seat anyway so that was a waste of time; still they gave him a peerage to compensate).  Traffic now just queues a bit further up the road.   :(

Swanage is very similar to both Weymouth and Torquay; there is just one way in and one way out (effectively, I know about Sandbanks and the ferry) so all three locations are tailor-made, as it were, for a sustainable commuter provision.

Doesn't look as though that will happen soon, if the people to operate it to Swanage will be solely hobby enthusiasts who will only turn out on a Saturday afternoon in summer and not at 0650 on a freezing morning in November, now does it?  I hope I am misinformed or have got the wrong end of the stick though.   

:(   


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ROGace on April 03, 2013, 15:28:28
read somewhere in past 2 days that FGW are running an HST excursion into Swanage this summer or late summer

am i deluded or is this the case lol

any info gratefully rec'vd thanks!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on April 03, 2013, 15:53:18
See previous posts 34 & 35 of this thread.

It is pointed out there that it is the Cotswold Line Promotion Group (CLPG) http://www.clpg.org.uk that are planning the charter - although no doubt FGW will be providing the stock, that is not quite the same as it being an FGW excursion, theoretically the CLPG could use anyone's HST...

Same set up as when the CLPG organised a charter to Portsmouth Harbour a couple of years ago.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ROGace on April 03, 2013, 15:58:51
cheers Paul   Thx VM!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on April 04, 2013, 10:10:50
CLPG has arranged many charter train excursions over its 35 years or so existence always with regular TOCs and prior to privatisation, BR. Recent excursions (the aim is to run one annually) run along the CL and then to the destination. These have always been popular amongst members and booking when it first opens is confined to existing members only but after a while booking is opened up to the public for any remaining seats. For the record, all recent excursions have been arranged with FGW using an HST and have been as follows: 2012, York; 2011, Portsmouth; 2010, Minehead; 2009, Paignton. Further in the past excursions have been arranged with other TOCs including to Chester, Barmouth, Matlock & Weymouth. For 2013 an excursion has been arranged for Swanage and it is believed that that this may be the first time that an HST will have travelled to Swanage although there are rumours that another TOC may run an HST earlier in the summer. These excursions are often complicated to arrange involving NR, other TOCs (for train crew with line experience that FGW crew do not have outside their normal teritory) and in the case of Swanage, with the Swanage railway itself. This all leads to fairly high costs although CLPG runs these excursions as a non-profitmaking operation as it is viewed as a promotional activity for CLPG members. For details see clpg.org.uk


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: MrC on April 04, 2013, 23:00:32
so it may seem the re-statement of the north side bay will not be needed as the trains will run in on the up
platform  then cross over and departure will be from the down?

The re-instatement of the up side bay wasn't required because the London end crossover has been reversed and moved to allow access to the down side sidings from both platforms rather than just from the down platform in the old layout. Swanage trains will be able to terminate and start back from either the up or down platforms (or terminate in either and then shunt to the sidings and back into either platform). There's quite a bit of flexibility in the new layout - eg down trains can now terminate and start back from the up platform (rather than the down as now) and down trains can be routed around a train held in the down platform.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 13, 2013, 17:11:02
Details of the UKRailtours excursion, The Purbeck Adventurer, to Swanage are available on their website (http://www.ukrailtours.com/tourshow.asp?tourtype=excursion_trains&tourfile=130629_THE_PURBECK_ADVENTURER.txt).


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Brucey on April 13, 2013, 18:43:32
^39.50 in Standard Class, from Waterloo, Woking or Basingstoke.  Very reasonably priced.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2013, 00:34:52
From the Dorset Echo (http://www.thisisdorset.net/news/10812726._/?):

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On the right track: Swanage Railway receives tourism award for ^significantly boosting^ visitors to the area

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AWARD: Richard Jones of Swanage Railway

The Swanage Railway has received an award for boosting tourism. It was praised for ^significantly increasing^ the number of visitors to Poole and the surrounding area at the 2013 Poole Tourism Awards.

Railway manager Richard Jones said: ^We pride ourselves on giving our visitors an enjoyable, friendly and memorable day out and this award is recognition of the Swanage Railway^s important contribution in increasing the numbers of visitors to the area. As well as offering a return steam train trip over five-and-a-half miles of line through the beautiful Isle of Purbeck ^ from the castle to the coast ^ there is the ball clay mine museum next to Norden station as well as the goods shed museum, exhibition coach and cinema coach at Corfe Castle station.^

Earlier this year Swanage Railway scooped a bronze award in the Green Tourism Business Scheme.

The Swanage Railway, which already has 400 regular volunteers, is happy to welcome new members.

Mr Jones, who stressed full training would be given, added: ^Our dedicated staff, both volunteer and paid, work very hard, day in and day out, to run the Swanage Railway^s train services, and it is a major commitment for our people because we run daily from the end of March to the end of October and then during weekends for the rest of the year. So the first passenger train of the day can run at 10am, a driver fireman and cleaner will have been up since 6am raising steam in the locomotive and preparing the day^s train service. While we have local volunteers, others travel from further afield such as London, the West Country and The Midlands.^

Contact volunteer coordinator Mike Whitwam on 01929 475 212 or email volunteer@swanagerailwaytrust.org.uk for further information.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: CLPGMS on November 16, 2013, 12:08:42
Photos of another historic visit to the Swanage Railway - http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news898.htm


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 25, 2014, 12:06:14
This article has been published on the Swanage Railway website: http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/project-manager-starts-work-to-help-swanage-railway-deliver-historic-trial-trains-to-wareham

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PROJECT MANAGER STARTS WORK TO HELP SWANAGE RAILWAY DELIVER HISTORIC TRIAL TRAINS TO WAREHAM

Published: April 22, 2014

An experienced project manager ^ who also used to control trains running from Hampshire and Surrey into London's busy Waterloo station ^ has started work on helping the Swanage Railway deliver an historic trial train service to Wareham.

Thanks to a ^1.47 million Coastal Communities Government grant, the trial train service from Swanage and Corfe Castle to the main line at Wareham is due to begin in September, 2015, and operate on 140 selected days over two years.

Holding a degree in railway operational management from Glasgow University, 52-year old Frank Roberts ^ who lives in Swanage ^ has been a volunteer manager on the Swanage Railway in his spare time for 31 years, specialising in building and developing the line's telephone system.

During his working life to date, Frank served for 25 years in the Royal Corps of Signals around the world ^ again specialising in communications ^ before starting a successful career with South West Trains.

That saw him part of a team delivering a ^6.8 million ticket vending machine project, then managing 12 stations in the Staines and Windsor area ^ including Olympic preparations at Eton Dorney ^ and finally being a route controller from Farnborough and Guildford into London's Waterloo station.

A member of both the Institute of Directors and the Institution of Railway Operators, Frank said: "I am immensely proud that I have the opportunity build a team to deliver an historic and pioneering two-year trial train service from Swanage and Corfe Castle to the main line at Wareham.

"I hope that I can use three decades of experience to ensure that the dream of rebuilding the Swanage Railway to Wareham that will make those two generations of people who have gone before us very proud indeed.

"There is a very heavy workload to get through ^ including some three miles of substantial track upgrade work, the construction of a level crossing at Norden and the refurbishment of two diesel multiple unit trains to main line standards," he added.

~As a Swanage Railway volunteer, Frank spent 22 years building and developing the heritage railway's lineside telecommunications system for signalling systems and telephones ^ as well as developing and managing the line's Herston Halt on the outskirts of Swanage since 1997.

Frank explained: ^The historic project to re-instate a train service to Wareham is really accelerating and while there is a lot of work to do, the implementation of many years of challenging planning is about to pay dividends."

Passionate about the seaside town where he has made his home, Frank had the honour of carrying the Olympic flame through a part of Swanage ahead of the Games during 2012.

Swanage Railway Company chairman Peter Sills said: " As well as improving access to the heart of Purbeck for tourists ^ and improving rail links out of Purbeck to Poole and Bournemouth for residents ^ it's estimated that a restored train service between Swanage, Corfe Castle and Wareham will create 40 new jobs indirectly and ten new jobs directly.

"The Swanage Railway has been campaigning to bring back regular trains to Wareham since 1972 ^ when British Rail controversially axed the service ^ and their re-introduction will give an important transport, tourism and employment boost to Purbeck as well as taking more cars off the road between Swanage, Corfe Castle, Wareham, Poole and Bournemouth.

"Connecting with the South West Trains service between London and Weymouth at Wareham, the re-connected rail link will become much easier for people to use public transport and so improve employment opportunities for Purbeck residents and increase the number of tourists," added Mr Sills.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Btline on April 25, 2014, 16:58:28
Why is this taking so long? Would they need to share NR tracks? is there not a dedicated platform at Wareham?


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on April 25, 2014, 17:02:18
There is no independent track between the junction and Wareham Station.   I think I read somewhere that Swanage branch DMUs will use one of the normal platforms at Wareham bi-directionally.

Paul


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Btline on April 25, 2014, 17:12:06
There is no independent track between the junction and Wareham Station.   I think I read somewhere that Swanage branch DMUs will use one of the normal platforms at Wareham bi-directionally.

Paul

Ah - that's a shame. Hopefully another track could be laid in the future if there is space. (unlikely I know)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on April 25, 2014, 17:35:52
Found a summary of everything they still need to do, I think it's fair to say that there's nothing much to do with Network Rail holding the project up - assuming the area re-signalling is completed on time (that should be done within the next few weeks according to posters up at SWT stations). 

ISTM that there are still significant infrastructure improvements needed on the branch, not least a level crossing re-instatement to modern standards.

http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/project-wareham

Paul



Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: phile on April 25, 2014, 17:51:56
Should this nothave  been on the Wider Picture Board as it is not an FGW matter.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 25, 2014, 18:09:18
A fair point, phile - I've therefore taken the opportunity to move and merge a couple of topics here, where we tend to discuss the various heritage lines in the West.  ;)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on April 25, 2014, 20:06:44
If anyone is interested there is a special train running from Salisbury to Swanage on Thursday 8th May in aid of the Swanage lifeboat appeal.  Details http://www.ukrailtours.com/tourshow.asp?tourtype=excursion_trains&tourfile=140508_THE_SWANAGE_LIFEBOATMAN.txt  I shall be on board, catching 0753 from Trowbridge to connect.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: phile on April 25, 2014, 21:03:32
A fair point, phile - I've therefore taken the opportunity to move and merge a couple of topics here, where we tend to discuss the various heritage lines in the West.  ;)
Thanks Chris.
Phil


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 09, 2014, 22:53:35
An update, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-29129122):

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Line lease boosts Swanage - Wareham rail reconnection

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It is hoped passenger services will return to the Swanage line

Efforts to restore a Dorset passenger train service for the first time in 40 years have taken a step forward.

Dorset County Council has leased three miles (4.8km) of track near Wareham to the Swanage Railway heritage line to connect it to the mainline network.

Work to restore sleepers, repair bridges, fences and embankments is due to take place over the next year.

Swanage Railway chairman Gavin Johns called the lease an "important milestone".

The council had acquired the stretch of trackbed between Worgret Junction to Motala from Network Rail.

The Dorset line from Swanage to Wareham was closed by British Rail and ripped up in seven weeks in 1972.

A 5.5-mile (8.8km) stretch from Swanage to Norden was rebuilt as a steam train heritage line and is run by volunteers as a tourist attraction.

It has had a long-term ambition to reconnect the line from Swanage and Corfe Castle at Wareham.

Mr Johns said: "[The 99-year lease] provides a sound long-term basis on which to plan the Swanage Railway's growth and development."


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 10, 2014, 09:01:44
Quote

A 5.5-mile (8.8km) stretch from Swanage to Norden...

Being a bit picky here, but I reckon it's over 6 miles from Norden P&R to Swanage. 5.5 miles would however get you to Corfe Castle...


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: CLPGMS on September 10, 2014, 09:26:41
More on this at http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/historic-lease-signed-to-enable-trial-passenger-train-service-linking-swanage-and-corfe-castle-with-wareham


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 16, 2014, 19:11:03
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-29633017):

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Swanage to Wareham rail reconnection works begin

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Work has started to reconnect a Dorset heritage railway with the mainline network to allow passenger services to run for the first time in four decades.

The boundary between Swanage Railway and the old Network Rail line was removed earlier, marking the start of a year-long restoration project.

Railway company chairman Peter Sills described it as a "momentous" event. It follows the lease of a three-mile (4.8km) stretch of track from Dorset County Council.

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The line from Swanage to Wareham was closed by British Rail in 1972.

Swanage Railway volunteers rebuilt a 5.5-mile (8.8km) stretch from Swanage to Norden over 30 years and opened it as a tourist attraction.

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Their long-term ambition is to reconnect the 10-mile stretch between Swanage, Corfe Castle and Wareham.

Trial services are planned for 50 days towards the end of 2015 and 90 days in 2016. It is hoped a year-round service will follow.

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Earlier, a section of old track at Motala, near Furzebrook, which once marked the boundary between the heritage line and Network Rail, was replaced. Previously, any unauthorised trains crossing from one section to the other would have derailed.

Two gates across the track and a shelter hut have also been removed.

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Tony Udell, a Swanage Railway volunteer for more than 30 years, said: "Although I hoped this moment would come, I was less sure about whether I would be alive to see it."

Mr Sills said the removal of the boundary was the culmination of many years of hard work. "In the long term, it will enable people, once again, to take a day trip from Swanage to London," he said.

Further upgrade work will include replacing 1,700 sleepers and repairing bridges, fences and embankments.

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Title: Swanage to Wareham rail line reconnection works delayed
Post by: ChrisB on February 09, 2015, 10:56:53
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-31161637)

Not quite "Animals ON the line, but nearly....

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Work to reconnect a Dorset heritage railway with the mainline to allow passenger services to run for the first time in four decades has been delayed.

Trials had been planned between Swanage and Wareham for 50 days from September and 90 days in 2016.

Swanage Railway said they would now take place early next year and in 2017.

However, it added the first train had travelled on the line under a new signalling system, which it described as a "major milestone".

Rail Minister Claire Perry MP was among the invited guests who made the return journey from Wareham to Corfe Castle.

Work is also under way to replace 1,700 wooden sleepers, clear embankments, as well as repair bridges, fences and drains.

Gavin Johns, chairman of the volunteer-led Swanage Railway Trust, said issues including ownership of the line and nearby hibernating animals had led to the delays.

"As a result of the animals our work has to be carried out during the spring and summer months," he said.

The line from Swanage to Wareham was closed by British Rail and ripped up in seven weeks in 1972.

Swanage Railway volunteers rebuilt a 5.5-mile (8.8km) stretch from Swanage to Norden over 30 years and opened it as a tourist attraction.

Their long-term ambition is to reconnect the 10-mile stretch between Swanage, Corfe Castle and Wareham.

Mike Lovell, Purbeck Community Rail Partnership chairman, said: "Although further investment is still needed to reinstate a regular service, the completion of the signalling is a huge step towards a trial community service that will enable people from Corfe Castle and Swanage to travel by train to anywhere in the country."


Title: Re: Swanage to Wareham rail line reconnection works delayed
Post by: phile on February 09, 2015, 16:17:06
Suggest this thread should be on "The Wider Picture" thread as it is not connected with FGW.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 09, 2015, 19:50:41
A fair point, phile - I've therefore moved and merged that topic here, where we have already discussed the Swanage to Wareham link.  ;)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2015, 06:38:10
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-34986104

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Passenger trains are set to run between a Dorset coastal resort and the mainline rail network for the first time in four decades.
The Swanage Railway heritage line said June 2016 was its target date for trial services between Swanage and Wareham.
The original rail line connecting the town was ripped up in 1972, before a 5.5-mile (8.8km) stretch was restored by volunteers as a tourist attraction.
A new ^500,000 level crossing has been installed as part of the work.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Oberon on December 03, 2015, 17:55:07
How can a level crossing coast half a million quid, do they ever put these sorts of jobs out to competitive tender? It sounds as if they don't..


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 04, 2015, 00:53:32
The proposed disabled access ramp up to platform 1 at Nailsea & Backwell station could be created at a cost of ^1 million, apparently: see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=8366.0.  ::) :o


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: TonyK on December 07, 2015, 21:37:35
From  the Daily Echo (http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14127035.Swanage_to_Wareham_railway_line_to_reopen_after_40_years_next_summer/):
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Swanage to Wareham railway line to reopen after 40 years next summer

(http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/4526868/)The new Norden Gates level crossing and nearby new road-rail interchange from late November. Credit: Andrew P.M. Wright

(http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/resources/images/4526870/)(L-R) Mark Woolley and Schweizer engineers at the Norden Gates level crossing. Credit: Andrew P.M. Wright

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New level crossing. Credit: Andrew P.M. Wright

Jade Grassby / 06:20 Monday 7 December 2015 / News

A RAIL line between Swanage and Wareham is scheduled for a passenger trial in summer 2016.

For the first time in four decades, passenger trains are set to run between the two towns.

The Swanage Railway said June 2016 was its target date for trial services. It is currently undertaking a major project to upgrade the section of railway line between Norden and its boundary with Network Rail near Worgret Junction to enable the reintroduction of a regular passenger train service between Swanage and Wareham.

The original rail line connecting the areas was ripped up by British Rail in 1972. A few years later, the first Swanage Railway train ran for a few hundred yards before eventually running between Swanage, Corfe Castle and Norden in 1995.

The two-year trial service starting in 2016 will see diesel trains run by the Swanage Railway connecting with scheduled services by South West Trains at Wareham, on the Weymouth to London Waterloo line.

Project director Mark Woolley, who has been a volunteer on the heritage railway for 30 years, said: ^The new Norden Gates full-barrier level crossing ^ and the nearby relocated road-rail interchange ^ are key elements of Project Wareham and the running of regular passenger trains from Swanage and Corfe Castle to Wareham would not be possible without them.^

In 2013, a government grant of ^1.4m was given to the Swanage Railway to upgrade the track and infrastructure between Norden and Worgret, as well as pay for the upgrade of the diesel trains.

A completely new signalling system has been installed to control Worgret Junction where the Purbeck Line joins the London to Weymouth main line, funded by a ^3.2m grant from Dorset County Council and Purbeck District Council.

And the new manually-controlled barrier level crossing on the Wytch Farm access road at Norden and a park and ride access road near Corfe Castle has been funded by BP and Perenco.

^The previous set-up was an open-level crossing with flagmen required to oversee the movement of trains ^ engineering trains, empty carriage stock movements and excursion trains from the main line ^ which was unacceptable in the long-term,^ Mr Woolley added.
     
Work has also been carried out to replace 1,700 wooden sleepers with concrete ones, repair bridges and clear embankments, fences and drains.

An earlier trial date of spring 2016 was put back following delays in the work caused by nearby hibernating animals and issues over ownership of the line.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ChrisB on January 06, 2016, 09:38:33
Oops, bit off that date-wise - now Spring 2017.

From Swanage Railway website (http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/major-line-upgrade-almost-complete-and-challenge-of-restoring-heritage-diesel-trains-for-main-line-running)

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MAJOR LINE UPGRADE ALMOST COMPLETE AND CHALLENGE OF RESTORING HERITAGE DIESEL TRAINS FOR MAIN LINE RUNNING

 Published: January 5, 2016

Story and pictures by Andrew P.M. Wright                                                                                             Swanage Railway official photographer and press officer

An ambitious and historic project to restore and upgrade three miles of former Network Rail line, as well as install a hi-tech level crossing with associated signalling and build a road-rail interchange facility, is almost complete ^ so passenger trains can again run to Wareham.

The start of the trial service from Swanage and Corfe Castle is due to start during the first quarter of 2017 ^ instead of June, 2016 ^ because of the need to replace, rather than restore, non-standard specialist equipment on two ex-British Railways 1960s heritage diesel trains being upgraded to exacting main line standards.

It was in September, 2014, that the Swanage Railway took on the lease of three miles of former Network Rail line ^ from a mile west of Norden station to a quarter of a mile south of Worgret Junction near Wareham ^ to give tracks, bridges and embankments a major upgrade ahead of the trial train service.

The restoration work has seen 1,200 wooden track sleepers replaced, half a mile of track laid, a quarter-mile-long embankment given a major upgrade, undergrowth and drainage cleared along six miles of embankments as well as the installation of a new set of track points at Furzebrook.

A new state of the art level crossing has been installed on the access road to the Wytch Farm oil field and Norden station while 2,235 cubic metres of earth has been excavated ^ and a new siding laid ^ so a new road-rail interchange could be built to enable the creation of the Norden Gates level crossing.

Swanage Railway Company Project Wareham director Mark Woolley said: "The historic transformation has been remarkable and I'd like to pay tribute to everyone ^ on the ground and behind the scenes in planning and logistics ^ for all their hard work which will see the ambitious upgrade of our three-mile extension completed by the end of March, 2016.

"It has been a major undertaking ^ the laying of half a mile of track, the replacement of 1,200 wooden sleepers, the major upgrade of a quarter-mile long embankment, the installation of a state of the art level crossing and associated signalling at Norden as well as the creation of the new road-rail interchange at Norden for the transfer of locomotives and carriages.

"The start of the trial passenger service to Wareham during the first quarter of 2017 ^ instead of June this year ^ is because of the need to replace, rather than restore, non-standard equipment on our two ex-British Railways 1960s heritage diesel trains being upgraded to exacting main line standards.

"Detailed technical examination has concluded that new non-standard axles and wheel bearings ^ known as wheel-sets ^ need to be manufactured by specialist contractors in the United States, South Africa and England. We estimate the completed trains will be tested and delivered to the Swanage Railway during the Autumn of 2016.

"We're very grateful for the assistance of our specialist contractors who have been very helpful in progressing the detailed examination and manufacturing work needed on our two diesel trains so they can carry passengers to Wareham," added Mr Woolley, a Swanage Railway volunteer for 33 years.

The Swanage Railway has been given a grant of ^1.86 million from the Government's Coastal Communities Fund to introduce a trial passenger train service from Swanage to the main line at Wareham. It is planned to run the service on 50 selected days during 2017 and 90 selected days during 2018.

The grant covers the restoration of the former Network Rail line as well as the restoration and upgrade, to main line standards, of the two ex-British Railways diesel trains ^ a one-coach Class 121 'Bubble Car' and a three-coach Class 117 unit ^ which are known as diesel multiple units or DMUs for short.

The Purbeck Community Rail Partnership, of which the Swanage Railway is a member, has been working since 1997 to re-establish a passenger train service between Swanage, Corfe Castle and the main line at Wareham.

The public can donate money to the Swanage Railway's Project Wareham Sponsor a Sleeper appeal.

So far, the fund-raising initiative has raised more than ^15,000 to help replace sleepers on the three miles of former Network Rail line between Motala and bridge No. 2, a quarter of a mile south of Worgret Junction which is just over a mile west of Wareham on the London to Weymouth main line.

Just visit the appeals page of www.swanagerailwaytrust.org.uk at www.swanagerailwaytrust.org.uk/index.php/appeals.

Because the Swanage Railway Trust is a registered charity, donations by taxpayers are subject to Gift Aid top-up.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ellendune on October 07, 2016, 08:41:19
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-37564421) this morning
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Swanage Railway: Official opening for Norden level crossing
A level crossing allowing passenger trains to run between a heritage line and the mainline network for the first time in 40 years has been opened.
The £500,000 crossing, near Norden Station, completes the upgrade of the Swanage Railway to link to the main line to Wareham, Dorset.
It was officially opened by High Sheriff of Dorset Sir Philip Williams.
Swanage Railway Trust chairman Gavin Johns said it had been a "hugely complex infrastructure project".
The work marks the completion of the 18-month restoration and upgrade of the three miles of former Network Rail line, to within a quarter of a mile of Worgret Junction and the main line to Wareham.

Trial passenger services to reconnect Swanage with the mainline at Wareham are due to start in June next year.
The new level crossing, which complies with Department for Transport standards, features computer-controlled safety systems and full barriers.
It also has a wooden signal box based on the branch line signal box at Lyme Regis station in west Dorset.
The original rail line was closed by British Rail and ripped up in 1972.
The volunteer-led Swanage Railway Trust originally rebuilt a 5.5-mile (8.8km) stretch from Swanage to Norden over 30 years and have been running it as a tourist attraction since the late 1990s.

About 1,500 sleepers have been replaced and an eroding embankment has been repaired during the restoration of the line from Norden to Wareham.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on May 24, 2017, 14:54:24
From the BBC - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-40011037

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Regular passenger trains will reconnect a Dorset seaside resort with the mainline for the first time in four decades in June, a heritage railway has announced.

Timetabled trials between Swanage and Wareham were originally expected to begin in 2015 but faced delays.

Swanage Railway said it now plans to run its first diesel-hauled passenger train to Wareham on 13 June.

The original rail line was closed by British Rail and ripped up in 1972.

The special first train will mark the start of a two-year trial using diesel trains on 60 selected days this summer - with four trains a day in each direction between Wareham, Corfe Castle and Swanage.

And the Dorset Echo (http://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/15305535.A_DREAM_REALISED__Public_train_service_from_Swanage_to_Wareham_starts_on_June_13/) gives more details:

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People wishing to travel on this service are advised that tickets have to be purchased in advance from the Swanage Railway website - tickets are only being sold for the service by the Swanage Railway.

Main line train operator West Coast Railways is supplying two diesel locomotives and train crews to operate the trial service.

With a diesel locomotive at each end, the four-carriage trains will run four times a day – in each direction – between Wareham, Norden, Corfe Castle and Swanage with the ten mile journey taking 45 minutes. Train times and fares for the Wareham service can be viewed on the Swanage Railway website.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ChrisB on May 24, 2017, 15:06:16
From the Swanage Railway (http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/public-train-service-to-link-swanage-corfe-castle-with-the-main-line-at-wareham-for-the-first-time-since-1972) website


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PUBLIC TRAIN SERVICE TO LINK SWANAGE & CORFE CASTLE WITH THE MAIN LINE AT WAREHAM FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1972

 Published: May 24, 2017

Story and Photographs by Andrew P.M. Wright                                                                                         Swanage Railway official photographer and press officer

History is to be made next month with the return of a public diesel train service from Swanage and Corfe Castle to the main line at Wareham – for the first time in 45 years.

The volunteer-led Swanage Railway plans to run its first diesel-hauled passenger train into Wareham station on Tuesday, 13 June, 2017.

That will be the achievement of a long-held aim by determined railway campaigners dating back to 1972 when the Purbeck branch line was controversially closed and demolished by British Rail.

The special first train will mark the start of a two-year trial public service using diesel trains operating on 60 selected days during this summer – with four trains a day in each direction between Wareham, Corfe Castle and Swanage.

Visitors from London, and stations across the country, will be able to visit Swanage and Corfe Castle by train while the service will enable tourists in campsites around Wareham to visit Corfe Castle and Swanage by rail.

To avoid disappointment, and guarantee a seat, passengers should book their tickets on-line via the Swanage Railway at www.swanagerailway.co.uk.

Limited parking at Wareham station – especially on weekdays – means that passengers are advised to travel to the station by public transport.

Swanage Railway Company chairman Trevor Parsons said: "This is the culmination of a far-sighted investment by our stakeholders of £5.5 million to re-connect Swanage and Corfe Castle with the main line at Wareham.

"We're working very closely with our partners at Network Rail and South West Trains to finalise arrangements for what is a complex operation.

"The trial public service will be historic because it has been the Swanage Railway's ambition to return passenger trains to Wareham for more than 40 years – with several generations of volunteers working to achieve this," added the Swanage Railway volunteer signalman and train guard.

After the last public British Rail train ran to Corfe Castle and Swanage in January, 1972, – leaving a three-mile stub from the main line to Furzebrook for clay and later Wytch Farm oil field trains – few people thought that passenger trains from Swanage and Corfe Castle would ever return to Wareham.

It took seven short weeks to demolish Purbeck's 87-year old rail link to the main line at Wareham but 40 long years for the Swanage Railway to rebuild it.

Swanage Railway Trust chairman Gavin Johns explained: "This is the culmination of a huge amount of hard work by our dedicated volunteers and the support of our valued stakeholders.

"It shows just what can be achieved thanks to a strong vision, determination and working together in partnership.

"My thanks go to the Purbeck Community Rail Partnership, the Government's Coastal Communities Fund for its £1.8 million grant, Purbeck District Council, Dorset County Council, Network Rail, South West Trains and the Department for Transport for their help in reaching this historic milestone for Swanage and the Isle of Purbeck," he added.

To enable a public train service to run from Wareham to Corfe Castle and Swanage, Purbeck District Council and Dorset County Council together made a strategic investment of £3.2 million – the money coming from a transport development fund paid into by housing developers across Purbeck.

That £3.2 million enabled Network Rail to upgrade the track at Worgret Junction – a mile west of Wareham where the line from Swanage joins the main line – and also install new signalling equipment at Wareham and Worgret Junction.

The investment also paid for Swanage Railway signalling equipment between Wareham station, Worgret Junction and Corfe Castle signal box.

The trial public service of four return trains a day between Wareham, Corfe Castle and Swanage will operate on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays until Sunday, 3 September, 2017, inclusive.

On the first day of the public service – Tuesday, 13 June, 2017 – the first public train will be the 2.23pm from Swanage that will form the 3.15pm train from Wareham.

The last train of the day will be the 4.23pm from Swanage and the 5.15pm from Wareham.

The first two trains from Swanage to Wareham and return on that day will be for Swanage Railway guests, stakeholders, volunteers, staff and supporters.

Main line train operator West Coast Railways is supplying two diesel locomotives and train crews to operate the Swanage Railway's trial train service between Swanage, Corfe Castle and Wareham on 60 selected days during the summer.

With a diesel locomotive at each end, the four-carriage trains will run four times a day – in each direction – between Wareham, Norden, Corfe Castle and Swanage with the ten mile journey taking 45 minutes.

Train times and fares for the Wareham service can be viewed at http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/wareham-timetableandfares (http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/wareham-timetableandfares)

To enable regular passenger trains to again run to Wareham, three miles of former Network Rail line – from south of Worgret Junction to half a mile east of Furzebrook –has been restored and upgraded over a two-year period.

 That challenging work has seen 1,200 wooden track sleepers replaced, half a mile of new track laid, a quarter-mile-long embankment upgraded as well as undergrowth and drainage ditches cleared along three miles of railway line.

Linking the Swanage Railway with the national railway system, a unique and trail-blazing signalling system has been installed, tested and commissioned between Corfe Castle and Wareham in what was a four-year project.

Thanks to a £500,000 legacy donation from BP, the Swanage Railway has built a new level crossing west of Norden station – on the access road to Perenco's Wytch Farm oilfield – so that regular passenger trains can run to Wareham.

Tickets will be £15 for an adult or senior citizen day-return between Swanage and Wareham and £9 for an adult or senior citizen single.

Children, aged 5 to 15, will be £10 for a return and £6 for a single. Swanage Railway Purbeck resident's discount card holders will receive a 33 per cent discount while National Railcards will not be accepted.

The Swanage Railway's Project Wareham director Mark Woolley said: "Our two 1960s-built heritage diesel trains, which together make up four carriages, will be used for the second year of the trial service to Wareham.

"They are being refurbished and upgraded to main line standards which is challenging and specialist work because of the age of the heritage diesel units, their design as well as modern health and safety standards," added Mr Woolley, a dedicated Swanage Railway volunteer since the mid-1980s.

Passengers on the new Wareham service should book seats in advance via the Swanage Railway website at www.swanagerailway.co.uk.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ChrisB on May 24, 2017, 15:19:39
and....booked on the 1515 on the 13th. Plenty of tickets left.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 24, 2017, 20:19:07
Will these journeys appear on planners such as National Rail, Traveline, Google Maps etc?


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ChrisB on May 25, 2017, 09:47:21
I doubt it....


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: John R on May 25, 2017, 23:09:05
Good to see it happen at last, although I am slightly concerned that the fare of £15 will discourage all bar those doing it for the novelty value (either enthusiasts or those relatively local). That won't be a sustainable business model beyond 2017, though I accept that the uncertainty over the start date has meant that marketing the service in advance has been difficult.

Having visited the railway in 1982/3, when there was just a short section of track in the station area, the achievements are very impressive. Not only does it become only the second preserved railway to have regular running over Network Rail tracks (something other railways have not managed, despite seemingly starting from a much better position), but it also runs one of the most frequent services at peak periods, (that provides a local transport need as well as being a tourist attraction).  Although I note that the unique evening service in the summer doesn't appear to run any more.

Anyway, good luck to them, and I hope it's a success.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on June 13, 2017, 16:46:00
Congratulations to "the Swanage team" ... as my feed throws up pictures of the first regular passenger trains to Swanage since 1972.

According to British Heritage Railways (http://www.british-heritage-railways.co.uk/swanage.html)

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The line was not mentioned in Dr Beeching’s report.

but according to The Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4599772/Train-rumbles-life-time-45-years.html)

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Resort was effectively cut off from the mainline after  Dr Richard Beeching recommended it be axed
.

Whoever and however it closed, it was only after considerable protest, and the track was torn up with what seemed like unseemly haste, perhaps to ensure its stayed closed.  Thank goodness after it didn't and after all these years I can take a train from my local station to Swanage.

Regaining a service is incredibly hard - but may pale into insignificance when the work of maintaining it, 50 days a year initially, is taken into account. Wishing all those people involved the very best; I'm going to find a personal day some time this summer to see how it's bedding in and offer one tiny drop into the ocean of passenger numbers they deserve.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: John R on June 13, 2017, 16:56:49
Although Exmouth to Exeter was in the report, and we can see how valuable a line that is today.  I suspect the Swanage branch would be similarly successful if it had remained open.

Having first wandered round the station in 1982 when there was just a couple of hundred years of track, I never imagined that they would achieve this. It's a fantastic achievement, and I too am looking forward to travelling on the service in a couple of weeks time.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Adelante_CCT on June 13, 2017, 17:01:42
Couple of hundred years of track, that's quite a lot  :)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: trainer on June 13, 2017, 18:13:17
On the list of lines recommended for closure by Beeching (http://www.britishrailways.info/BEECHING%20CLOSURES.htm) the Swanage branch is not mentioned. Most of the sources I have looked at, including the BBC, simply refer to it being closed by British Rail(ways).

It seems that perhaps on this occasion the Daily Mail is not quite the organ of accuracy it might lay claim to.  ::)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ChrisB on June 13, 2017, 18:59:11
and....booked on the 1515 on the 13th. Plenty of tickets left.

Not quite full either, just one or two seats left. This morning's however, were well stuffed, according to the crew on board.

The fare is only £2.50 more than the max fare from Swanage to Norden, the usual end of the line, I don't think could charge any less?
However, its £9 just for the Wareham-Norden section....


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: ellendune on June 13, 2017, 23:04:01
It seems that perhaps on this occasion the Daily Mail is not quite the organ of accuracy it might lay claim to.  ::)

Shock horror - You mean Wikipedia might actually be right then?


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 13, 2017, 23:08:16
... or it may be less wrong than the Daily Mail.  :P



Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: John R on June 14, 2017, 07:37:48
and....booked on the 1515 on the 13th. Plenty of tickets left.

Not quite full either, just one or two seats left. This morning's however, were well stuffed, according to the crew on board.

The fare is only £2.50 more than the max fare from Swanage to Norden, the usual end of the line, I don't think could charge any less?
However, its £9 just for the Wareham-Norden section....
Pricing the service is tricky.  You don't want to undercut the heritage service, but if you don't it becomes difficult to attract regular passengers who aren't just using it to  go for the ride.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on July 25, 2017, 01:56:21
From the Bourenmouth Echo (http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/districts/purbeck/15431297.Steam_locomotives_collide_in_Swanage/)

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STEAM locomotives have been replaced by diesel trains on the Swanage Railway, after two locomotives collided.

Since Monday, diesel services have run on the heritage line, as staff work to resume a steam-hauled passenger service as soon as possible.

No-one was injured in the incident, which took place in an area not open to the public between the signal box and the engine shed at Swanage station during shunting operations shortly after 9am on Monday July 24.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) and the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) regulator have been informed of the incident.


Title: Swanage Railway - collision
Post by: bradshaw on July 25, 2017, 09:40:25
Not good news further south

http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/diesel-trains-replace-steam-after-two-locomotives-collide


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 04, 2017, 23:06:23
From the Bourenmouth Echo (http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/districts/purbeck/15431297.Steam_locomotives_collide_in_Swanage/)
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The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) and the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) regulator have been informed of the incident.

Quite rightly.  The RAIB and / or the ORR can now decide what, if any, action is appropriate.



Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Trowres on September 05, 2017, 22:00:13
Travelled on the penultimate day of this year's trial service, using the 11:15 from Wareham.

Very close to all seats taken on the 4-TC unit. The main line railway seemed to have done very well out of this service, with people having travelled long distances. The heritage service was half-steam, half diesel for much of the day, with a second steam loco taking over later in the afternoon.

Starting as they did from rock-bottom, I have to commend the perseverance of the Swanage team and their progress so far. I hope this year's trial has been sufficiently successful to point the way to a more established arrangement.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on September 06, 2017, 11:32:04
Managed to travel on it a couple of weeks ago, using the service at around 1pm. Not so well used but busy. It was the Cl 37 and SR's cl 33. We returned to Corfe for lunch and were able to look round the old signal box in the station. Now disconnected it can still be operated and, when open, has a very knowledgeable guide. It also contains the sb diagrams from Dorchester Jnc and Weymouth.
We were told that the collision, a head on one, resulted in the suspension of a driver and signaller. One result was the withdrawal of Manston for it 10 year overhaul, I understand it has bent frames. When we were there, two weeks ago, the Std tank had is pony truck out, with the use of an hired-in crane. Also the T9 was brought it as cover but needs a retube. With the M7 nearing its 10 year overhaul it was only used at weekends, leaving the U as the steam loco. 34072 is nearing completion and next year they will have 34053.
They have done remarkably well over the past years, with the cooperation of the County Council and other bodies. Next year the Wareham service is due to run for 90 days, after which a long term plan will be developed. However it will be interesting to get an idea of its success this year.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on January 29, 2018, 23:12:02
https://www.wessexfm.com/news/dorset-news/2489680/train-service-delayed-for-a-year/

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Train enthusiasts hoping to get on board Swanage Railway's new train service to Wareham will have to wait a little bit longer.

The project to restore two former 1960's diesel trains so they're able to run on the main line is taking longer than expected.

Some special diesel and steam trains may run on the line between Swanage and Wareham later this year.
The full service is now estimated to be up and running by Easter 2019.

[continues]



Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on January 30, 2018, 08:57:07
A number posting on Twitter last night suggested that it would be a good place to trial Vivarail’s D train. That or SWR lend a unit, if spare!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on January 30, 2018, 10:06:49
A number posting on Twitter last night suggested that it would be a good place to trial Vivarail’s D train. That or SWR lend a unit, if spare!


I don't think that SWR are likely to have a spare unit - they're rare as hen's teeth.  But at first glance, there could be some sense with a D train.  Of course, second glance might reveal poor economic case, dilution of effort to their own project for 2019, or that a D train would foul the third rail - truly ironic for something converted from electric in the first place, but it could have unused dangley bits left in the wrong place!


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Fourbee on January 30, 2018, 16:41:58
What happened to the old Chiltern bubblecar? Presumably that had TPWS, door locking etc...

I saw a piece on the local TV about this - I remember seeing a unit without any bogies underneath it in the works. There were some mutterings about the delay being unfortunate considering £5.5m being invested from other stakeholders, but I forgot the rest of the details.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on January 30, 2018, 17:14:34
Using ancient Mk1 DMUs is a sure sign to me that they aren’t really sure if they operating a heritage attraction or a proper commercial railway suitable for regular commuter travel. 

In hindsight these overhauls could be money wasted, given the number of modern DMUs shortly to be made available, eg from the Anglia full fleet replacement.

If it is intended eventually to be a permanent part of the local public transport offering, supported by the county council, shouldn’t it be operated by fully DDA compatible rolling stock?

Paul


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Rhydgaled on February 02, 2018, 21:02:46
Using ancient Mk1 DMUs is a sure sign to me that they aren’t really sure if they operating a heritage attraction or a proper commercial railway suitable for regular commuter travel. 

In hindsight these overhauls could be money wasted, given the number of modern DMUs shortly to be made available, eg from the Anglia full fleet replacement.

If it is intended eventually to be a permanent part of the local public transport offering, supported by the county council, shouldn’t it be operated by fully DDA compatible rolling stock?

Paul
If the next East Midlands and Wales & Borders franchise operators are to be compliant with the DDA/TSI-PRM/RVAR rules they will probably be needing the relatively modern DMUs Greater Anglia are supposed to be releasing to replace their class 153s (my hope is that Wales will get the 156s (plus the five ScotRail are expected to release) and East Midlands will get the 170s). I suppose after 2020 there are suggestions that the West Midlands franchise might release some 170s that could be available for something like this, but that's a way off yet. Class 153s released from Northern (and others) or mark 3 coaches (themselves not fully accessible due to the slam doors) are likely the only alternative to 'heritage' stock available before 2020.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on May 07, 2019, 10:56:59
From The BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-48185140)

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Re-opening of Purbeck rail line services pushed back

Plans to resume regular passenger rail services on a line which was closed for 45 years have been further delayed.

Swanage Railway received £5.5m, mostly of public funds, to link its heritage line in Dorset to the national network and restart regular services.

But the diesel train it planned to use remains in a workshop where it has been undergoing repairs for five years.

The railway said the "protracted overhaul" had been hampered by supply problems but was nearing completion.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: jamestheredengine on May 07, 2019, 11:54:28
One wonders whether it's really worth their while repairing whatever clapped-out "heritage" diesel unit they're proposing using. For that much money, they could have bought six class 139s, which would actually have been reliable (so they could donate four to other branch-line reopenings...).


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on May 07, 2019, 12:44:14
One wonders whether it's really worth their while repairing whatever clapped-out "heritage" diesel unit they're proposing using. For that much money, they could have bought six class 139s, which would actually have been reliable (so they could donate four to other branch-line reopenings...).

Class 139, Wareham to Norden or Corfe Castle - issues to address:
1. Need to be isolated from main line when in passenger use (not suitable to share with heavy rail)
2. Need a capacity of rather more than the 25 to 30 seats I think they have
3. With the flywheel power, do they have the range necessary or flexibility to shunt?


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on May 07, 2019, 13:52:11
Yet, RTT has the SWR service starting on Saturday May 25th. Waterloo to Corfe Castle, then Corfe Castle to Poole and back before returning to Waterloo.
 In addition, there is listed are WR shuttles from Swanage to Wareham on Saturdays, again starting on the 25th.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CFC/2019/05/25/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: MVR S&T on May 07, 2019, 19:29:39
Also have the delivery run for the Diesel Gala on Wednesday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R04635/2019/05/08/advanced



Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Surrey 455 on May 07, 2019, 22:04:52
Yet, RTT has the SWR service starting on Saturday May 25th. Waterloo to Corfe Castle, then Corfe Castle to Poole and back before returning to Waterloo.
 In addition, there is listed are WR shuttles from Swanage to Wareham on Saturdays, again starting on the 25th.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/CFC/2019/05/25/0600-2000?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

Woah! Corfe Castle to / from Waterloo. That's a 5 hour journey!

If I wanted to get to Corfe from London on that day I would probably do:

Train
0835 Waterloo
1048 Wareham

Then Breezer 40 bus
1104 Wareham station
1119 Corfe Castle East St

2hrs 44 min.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on May 08, 2019, 03:37:45
Woah! Corfe Castle to / from Waterloo. That's a 5 hour journey!

If I wanted to get to Corfe from London on that day I would probably do:

Train
0835 Waterloo
1048 Wareham

Then Breezer 40 bus
1104 Wareham station
1119 Corfe Castle East St

2hrs 44 min.


I would join you on the 08:35 ... change at Waerham onto the 11:17 departure to Corfe Castle, arriving there at 11:35.  More to do with th slightly rare train journey being worth a quarter hour delay than anything against the bus.

Also have the delivery run for the Diesel Gala on Wednesday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R04635/2019/05/08/advanced


From the Dorset Echo (https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/17622442.trains-arriving-for-swanage-railways-diesel-gala-and-dorset-beer-festival/)

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Visiting trains are rolling in for the Swanage Railway’s Diesel Gala and Dorset Beer Festival this weekend.

Now in its fourteenth year and featuring an intensive three-train service, popular annual event takes place from Friday, May 10 to Sunday, May 12.

The Dorset Beer Festival is being staged next to the heritage railway at the Bankes Arms Hotel, Corfe Castle.

Heritage diesel trains will be running from 9am until 11.30pm on the Friday and Saturday and from 9am until 7pm on the Sunday – with ‘Beerex’ buffet coach trains operating on the Friday and Saturday evenings.

Among the visiting locos are Class 25 No. D7535 (No. 25 185) courtesy of South Devon Diesel Traction Limited and Class 26 No. 26 007 – courtesy of Victor Korzeniewicz – which will be staying on the Swanage Railway until early September.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Clan Line on May 08, 2019, 13:35:26
Also have the delivery run for the Diesel Gala on Wednesday.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R04635/2019/05/08/advanced


Approaching Warminster this morning:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/fzammo.jpg)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on May 08, 2019, 19:22:07
Fares for the SWR service to Corfe Castle now on line.  £14 this year from Gillingham, up from £10 last year.  Still a good bargain for an unusual day out.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on May 17, 2019, 11:32:01
17th May 2019
For the last three days there has been no service to Norden due to a problem with a set of points. Diesel service between Swanage and Corfe Castle only


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on May 17, 2019, 20:36:30
17th May 2019
For the last three days there has been no service to Norden due to a problem with a set of points. Diesel service between Swanage and Corfe Castle only
They will be keen to get that sorted before the upcoming Bank Holiday and half term week.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on May 25, 2019, 08:55:50
Journey Check shows that due to lack of train crew all the SWR services to Corfe are cancelled today 25 May 2019.
The service will only run to Yeovil Jct.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Lee on May 25, 2019, 10:24:22
First day of the season for this service - No SWR trains to Corfe. Probably not the best outcome PR-wise.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bobm on May 25, 2019, 11:05:28
SWR have just tweeted that the 15:12 from Wareham to Corfe will now run as well as the return service to London Waterloo.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Lee on May 25, 2019, 11:10:07
Excellent - Good to know SWR watch the forum too  ;D


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: rogerw on May 25, 2019, 13:00:36
The return service is not very useful as the likely passengers never got there in the first place with the outward service cancelled


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on May 26, 2019, 13:55:46
Weekend problems continue with a failure of the steam engine this morning


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on July 27, 2019, 07:19:23

Once again today, 27th of July
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06:35 London Waterloo to Corfe Castle Swanage R due 11:35 will be terminated at Salisbury.
It will no longer call at Tisbury, Gillingham Dorset, Templecombe, Sherborne, Yeovil Junction, Yeovil Pen Mill, Maiden Newton, Dorchester West, Upwey, Weymouth, Dorchester South, Moreton Dorset, Wool, Wareham and Corfe Castle Swanage R.
This is due to a member of traincrew being unavailable.
   
Surely it is these services that should be protected if they wish to build up trade.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on July 27, 2019, 07:21:48
Which just goes to show you cannot rely on it for a day out. Better to end the service it’s not reliable. Sad and I feel for Swanage Railway.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on July 27, 2019, 07:49:18
According to Swanage Railway Twitter they are awaiting clarification and are hoping it will run Weymouth to Corfe and back

https://twitter.com/swanrailway/status/1155005374505861120?s=21


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on July 27, 2019, 08:14:08
Now confirmed by Swanage Railway as operating from Weymouth to Corfe and back

https://twitter.com/swanrailway/status/1155012173095215104?s=21

Ran as 5Z11 from Salisbury via Romsey to Weymouth and then 1Z11 to Corfe Castle


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: CyclingSid on July 27, 2019, 19:25:53
Must admit looking at SWR Journeycheck on Saturday  mornings recently I have been surprised to see the Corfe service more than once. Is there not enough in it for SWR?

Having said that I have just been up Reading - Waterloo this morning. Short form 5 car on an Ascot day, not intolerable to Ascot. But by the time we got to Twickenham the crowding was approaching mid-week morning peak levels. Staff said that SWR are not keeping up with maintenance, and some sets going out of contract shortly.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: grahame on July 28, 2019, 15:07:55
Which just goes to show you cannot rely on it for a day out. Better to end the service it’s not reliable. Sad and I feel for Swanage Railway.

A rather sad review from Gareth David at https://railwayworld.net/2019/07/28/swr-cancels-its-seaside-special-again/ ... it starts ...

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Just three weeks after my previous failed attempt to sample the summer Saturday SWR service to Weymouth and Corfe Castle (6 July), it is profoundly disappointing to have suffered a similar experience again on Saturday (27 July)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 01, 2020, 13:27:31
Well, some better news: https://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/detail/award-for-signalling-scheme-enabling-trains-to-run-on-the-national-railway-network-to-wareham


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: bradshaw on March 04, 2020, 19:27:25
ORR proposes to give the Swanage Railway an operating licence.

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The passenger licence will authorise the applicant to be the operator of trains being used on a network for the purpose of carrying passengers by railway in Great Britain, subject to all legal requirements being fulfilled by the applicant.   
It calls for comments by the end of the month.

https://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/42577/swanage-railway-company-limited-passenger-licence.pdf


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: RichT54 on March 18, 2022, 14:31:06
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WAREHAM TRIAL TRAIN SERVICE POSTPONED TO SUMMER 2023

Dedicated Swanage Railway volunteers have postponed their planned trial diesel train service to the main line at Wareham until the summer of 2023 because of challenging trading conditions and economic uncertainty.

It had been hoped to operate the 90-selected day trial public service – using restored 1950s British Railways heritage diesel multiple units upgraded for main line running – during the summer of 2022.

Delays in completing the Swanage Railway’s submission to the Government’s Office of Rail and Road (ORR) to obtain permission to run the trains, the option of bringing in a contractor to operate the trains being uneconomic and main line passenger numbers having not returned to pre-Covid levels – have prompted the postponement decision.

Swanage Railway chairman Gavin Johns said: “We can only run trains to Wareham when the conditions are commercially viable and it’s important that we operate the trial as economically as possible and when commercial conditions are at their best.

“We will continue with our main line train operating licence application to the Office of Rail and Road as quickly as practicable.

"The Swanage Railway's business is still recovering from Covid, which badly affected customer and staff confidence, against a background of challenging trading conditions and economic uncertainty.

“Trading conditions during 2022 are very unpredictable because they are being heavily affected by significant prices rises being borne by our customers and our business – such as the increased cost of coal – as well as the tragedy unfolding in the Ukraine.

“Concentrating on providing viable heritage train services between Norden, Corfe Castle, Harman’s Cross and Swanage remains the Swanage Railway’s first priority.

“The current challenging economic reality has affected our plans for operating a trial 90-selected day trial train service from Swanage and Corfe Castle to the main line at Wareham during 2022 and we are working to deliver that service during 2023, trading and economic conditions permitting.

“The business case does not currently exist to place external contracts to provide the trial train service to Wareham but we remain fully committed to securing all necessary consents and commencing services with a view to operating to Wareham during 2023. This is the most pragmatic way to proceed,” added Mr Johns who is a volunteer Swanage Railway signalman.

A 60-selected day trial train service from Swanage and Corfe Castle to Wareham operated during the summer of 2017 using heritage diesel locomotives and carriages hired in as well as the contracting of a main line train company to operate the trains.

Gavin Johns explained: “The extensive work required to put in an application to the Office for Road and Rail (ORR) for operating trains to Wareham has been very detailed and has taken longer than expected – it has probably been the most challenging project in the 45-year history of the Swanage Railway.

“Trading conditions and economic uncertainties permitting, we plan to run a 90-selected day trial train service to the main line Wareham during 2023.

“I would like to thank everyone who has worked so hard on the Wareham project which has been a Swanage Railway ambition since British Rail closed the branch line to Corfe Castle and Swanage in January, 1972,” he added.

The two 1950s former British Railways heritage diesel multiple unit trains that the Swanage Railway has refurbished and upgraded, for running on to the main line at Wareham, are a three-carriage Class 117 and a one-carriage Class 121 ‘Bubble Car’.



https://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/view/wareham-trial-train-service-postponed-to-summer-2023 (https://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/news/view/wareham-trial-train-service-postponed-to-summer-2023)


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on March 18, 2022, 17:04:09
Disappointing but totally understandable.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: JayMac on March 18, 2022, 19:53:12
I wonder whether we'll see any SWR through services this Summer.

My prediction is, "DfT says no."


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on March 18, 2022, 20:24:20
I wonder whether we'll see any SWR through services this Summer.

My prediction is, "DfT says no."
And your prediction would be a correct one as the Saturday Waterloo-Weymouth via Salisbury service that provided the unit that ran to Corfe Castle was on the list of services withdrawn along with Bristol to Waterloo. Apologies I don’t have a link to this.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: TonyK on March 19, 2022, 10:19:11
Disappointing but totally understandable.

I agree. A cautious but measured approach seems much more likely to succeed than gambling.


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: paul7575 on March 19, 2022, 13:22:52
I wonder whether we'll see any SWR through services this Summer.

My prediction is, "DfT says no."
And your prediction would be a correct one as the Saturday Waterloo-Weymouth via Salisbury service that provided the unit that ran to Corfe Castle was on the list of services withdrawn along with Bristol to Waterloo. Apologies I don’t have a link to this.
There’s a paragraph about the summer Saturday “rail tour” in the SWR Dec 2022 consultation:

“SWR has previously trialled a Special Saturday Service from Salisbury to Weymouth via Yeovil, providing one train in each direction on Saturdays during the summer peak season.
Due to the disproportionate cost of running these services that could not be sustained by the revenue they generated, there are no plans to reintroduce this special service in the future.”
From this:
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/timetables/~/media/527b019ecca54d708c71c6a9600f0bca.ashx


Title: Re: Swanage Railway - return of passenger services and reopening to Wareham
Post by: Timmer on March 19, 2022, 13:40:16

There’s a paragraph about the summer Saturday “rail tour” in the SWR Dec 2022 consultation:

“SWR has previously trialled a Special Saturday Service from Salisbury to Weymouth via Yeovil, providing one train in each direction on Saturdays during the summer peak season.
Due to the disproportionate cost of running these services that could not be sustained by the revenue they generated, there are no plans to reintroduce this special service in the future.”
From this:
https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey/timetables/~/media/527b019ecca54d708c71c6a9600f0bca.ashx
Yes, that’s where I saw it. Thanks Paul.



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