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Title: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on December 23, 2020, 07:22:13 pm
Modern railways reporting Network Rail have taken over the Okehampton Line from it's border at 183M 73CH. This is where the track separates to Barnstaple and Okehampton. It does not say if it goes beyond Okehampton to Meldon.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on December 23, 2020, 11:05:04 pm
Modern railways reporting Network Rail have taken over the Okehampton Line from it's border at 183M 73CH. This is where the track separates to Barnstaple and Okehampton. It does not say if it goes beyond Okehampton to Meldon.

I'm sure (but don't know for certain) that it will be the whole line to Meldon.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on December 24, 2020, 07:14:54 am
Okehampton is the target but Crediton the prize with a half hour service the station with greatest growth potential being only 15-20 mins from Exeter Central.

I have always felt GWR have feared the latent demand and an hourly service could not cope. 158s might have to go in favour of the 165/166.









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Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on December 24, 2020, 12:25:13 pm
Okehampton is the target but Crediton the prize with a half hour service the station with greatest growth potential being only 15-20 mins from Exeter Central.

I have always felt GWR have feared the latent demand and an hourly service could not cope. 158s might have to go in favour of the 165/166.



I agree with you about Crediton having a lot of potential and I know GWR have it firmly in mind.   A lot of houses either built or being built within walking distance of the station.  We'll have to see how things go when we've been able to put Covid largely behind us (through vaccination etc) and what travel patterns emerge when there are no (or minimal) restrictions on travel.   


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on December 24, 2020, 03:08:11 pm
My daughter lives in Crediton, her husband having grown up there, so I am familiar with the layout. The station is on the edge of town, and a bit of a schlep from the majority of houses, schools, and places of work. However, quite a few houses were built practically outside the station a few years ago, between it and the Tesco supermarket. There's a fair number of new houses under construction very close by, which will give it a decent catchment. There is a bus from the further reaches of the town to the station, the number 5, but as that takes only 26 minutes to get to Exeter bus station, it wouldn't really be worth changing to train for Exeter Central. The train certainly seems popular in Crediton, though, and a half-hourly service will make it more so, I am sure.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Timmer on December 25, 2020, 08:48:45 am
I have always felt GWR have feared the latent demand and an hourly service could not cope. 158s might have to go in favour of the 165/166.
Would gladly see the 158s back on the Cardiff-Portsmouth line running on a line they were built for.

Removed stray markup - RS


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Clan Line on December 25, 2020, 08:29:12 pm
Would gladly see the 158s back on the Cardiff-Portsmouth line running on a line they were built for.


Yes please, but 4/5 cars this time !


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 15, 2021, 08:40:35 am
I have read in another place that work on the line to Okehampton has stepped up markedly in the past few days, and will henceforth be full-on. The work so far has been to allow free rein to engineering trains. 14,000 new sleepers are on order, along with enough new rail for the whole line to Coleford Junction.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Jamsdad on January 15, 2021, 11:30:59 am
That is very good news


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 15, 2021, 12:24:17 pm
Here are a couple of photos of the first sleepers  being unloaded at Okehampton station.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837932651_43e1cba4ff_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50837207918_bf7d875922_c.jpg)

These are reproduced with the kind permission of the owner and copyright holder, Mark Fabiano, who is a Colas Rail driver. The pictures were first shared on the North Devon Railways Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/groups/476779799019876?sorting_setting=CHRONOLOGICAL), and all credit to the organisers of that too. It is well worth a look through.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 16, 2021, 11:23:10 am
Looks like two trips between Exeter and Okehampton, then away to Derby.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50840205268_1a0780db9a_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: smokey on January 17, 2021, 03:42:59 pm
Whilst New Rails are a very good thing, why would NR want to renew the Mile off NEW track that was placed down by the New High output train within the last 10 years?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on January 22, 2021, 05:04:42 pm
I'm seeing a suggestion (would be in"rumour mill" if we didn't have an Okehampton thread!) that the track in platform 2 is to be taken up, as the separation between national network trains running into platform 1 from the heritage trains / stock stored in platform 2 does not meet modern H&S Standards.    Can anyone confirm?  How seriously will this effect any heritage operations?

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/okees.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/okeos.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on January 22, 2021, 05:25:48 pm
If NR have taken back ownership of the track then any use by a Heritage railway will need the locomotives and stock to be mainline certificated.
If the Dartmoor stock is not so certificated then they either have to obtain certification at a significant cost or remain physically separated.
Can anyone confirm what their status is?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on January 22, 2021, 08:58:22 pm
If NR have taken back ownership of the track then any use by a Heritage railway will need the locomotives and stock to be mainline certificated.
If the Dartmoor stock is not so certificated then they either have to obtain certification at a significant cost or remain physically separated.
Can anyone confirm what their status is?

I think you're right but generally it's still way too early for any of this, I'm afraid.  As I understand it, Network Rail are still in negotiation with Aggregate Industries about buying the line. 



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on January 22, 2021, 09:30:29 pm
My comment was promoted by the Trackwatch (p106) in the January Modern Railways says that the Okehapton line from th former boundary at 183m 79ch has been  brought back into Network Rail control.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on January 22, 2021, 09:36:24 pm
My comment was promoted by the Trackwatch (p106) in the January Modern Railways says that the Okehapton line from th former boundary at 183m 79ch has been  brought back into Network Rail control.

Yes, I know.  Still not owned by Network Rail though, that's the key. 


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: trainbuff on January 22, 2021, 11:26:32 pm
I heard on a Facebook group that platform 1 stub is to be reconnected (by the old goods shed) to allow Heritage services towards Meldon and platform 2 track to be taken up. Platform 3 is the side with the main buildings, not Platform 1. See:-

((link)) (https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=%2fWPuFHzv&id=8840A31FF5B477AE6F03F462CA3ECF42829A50D1&thid=OIP._WPuFHzvPA9xHTcyER5HcQHaEd&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.railfuture.org.uk%2fdl2442%3fdisplay%26x%3d800%26y%3d482&exph=482&expw=800&q=okehampton+station+platform+3&simid=608001536780600510&ck=DDE228924C0E85E592531C2D71D64565&selectedIndex=5&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0)

As an aside, the track in Platform 2 was extended a few years ago and maybe it is just this extension that does not meet standards. Just a thought



Edit - I have replaced a very long URL which was causing display issues for this post with the word "link" which will click you through to the same place anyway - GrahamE .  It points to a picture in a Railfuture article ((here)) (https://www.railfuture.org.uk/The%20Okehampton%20Line) - and I have mirrored the picture ((here)) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/dl2442.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on January 23, 2021, 07:01:35 am
Network rail are spending an awful lot of money on renewing track if they don't own it.

Will Meldon Quarry reopen? I thought that was only a rumour. Has the heritage line gone bust? I know heritage companies rise like Phoenix from the ashes. As an aside I did not see the Dartmouth Steam Railway on the list of heritage lines to get a grant or loan. South Devon Railway did; probably to put a floor in the toilet.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on January 23, 2021, 07:18:36 am
Network rail are spending an awful lot of money on renewing track if they don't own it.

Will Meldon Quarry reopen? I thought that was only a rumour. Has the heritage line gone bust? I know heritage companies rise like Phoenix from the ashes. As an aside I did not see the Dartmouth Steam Railway on the list of heritage lines to get a grant or loan. South Devon Railway did; probably to put a floor in the toilet.

Network Rail haven't actually done that much work on the line yet - an awful lot of study work to establish what needs to be done to bring it up to scratch and some track work to allow test trains to run.  The test trains have been followed by delivery trains and, as we are seeing, a lot of materials have been and are being delivered.  Clearly Network Rail are confident of doing the deal with Aggregate Industries and that the Government will fund most if not all of the infrastructure work identified.  Absolute worse case, all the materials could be taken away again.

No-one knows yet re Meldon Quarry and yes, the heritage line did go bust (or rather its American parent did and took the Dartmoor Railway with it).


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on January 23, 2021, 05:36:17 pm
With the track laid at St Ives and tamping taking place, maybe some of the workforce will move to Okehampton? Three months to do the work before the timetable change.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on January 23, 2021, 10:39:04 pm
With the track laid at St Ives and tamping taking place, maybe some of the workforce will move to Okehampton? Three months to do the work before the timetable change.

Have to say, I'm not expecting a Summer Sunday service this year or an early introduction of the full daily service.  It's ten years since the last stone trains and the line needs a good bit of work before any year round regular daily service can be introduced.

It'll be worth the wait.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 24, 2021, 01:02:54 am
A mile and a half of track at St Ives is taking 5 weeks. Okehampton will take longer - is it 14,000 sleepers at Okehampton against 3,600 at St Ives?

But there is a will to do it at last.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on January 28, 2021, 01:57:38 pm
Another trainload of sleepers to Okehampton from Westbury on Realtime trains 6G72 last night disappears after Crediton. 1200 tons.

66723 + 66039 to Fairwater Yard. Anybody know where that is?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 28, 2021, 02:07:45 pm
Another trainload of sleepers to Okehampton from Westbury on Realtime trains 6G72 last night disappears after Crediton. 1200 tons.

66723 + 66039 to Fairwater Yard. Anybody know where that is?

Close to Taunton station, I believe.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: eXPassenger on January 28, 2021, 05:34:45 pm
Another trainload of sleepers to Okehampton from Westbury on Realtime trains 6G72 last night disappears after Crediton. 1200 tons.

66723 + 66039 to Fairwater Yard. Anybody know where that is?

Between Taunton and Norton Fitzwarren.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: smokey on February 07, 2021, 12:17:56 pm
Whilst the St Ives branch has been closed for 5 weeks, there has been more than track renewal work taking place.

There was a lot of manual work on the St Ives relaying as site access was a problem, and I believe the track work was all but done about 2 weeks ago.

A little historic note about the St Ives branch, opened 1st June 1877 it was Dual gauge from St Erth (called St Ives Road until branch opened) to Lelant Wharf and Broad gauge only beyond Lelant to St Ives.
The last line to be built to Brunel's Broad Gauge!

Approaching Carbis bay from St Erth there is a steep cutting that opens out at the St Ives end.
This was due to the line being built by many Cornish Miners who followed a rich Tin stream and went off course.
Gold (well Tin) in them there Hills.  ;D


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on February 07, 2021, 12:53:00 pm
I don't suppose they will but if they could lay the new track beside the old using the old track as the work platform for the heavy lifting which would make track replacement quicker and left the old track insitu then double tracking in future would be easier.

On the district line a few years ago they used the adjacent BR tracks to replace the Westbound underground track at Elm Park,
 Dagenham Heathway, and at West Ham were the tracks are the minimum distance apart.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Jamsdad on February 07, 2021, 12:59:07 pm
That sounds remarkably sensible!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on February 07, 2021, 02:28:57 pm
Whilst the St Ives branch has been closed for 5 weeks, there has been more than track renewal work taking place.

There was a lot of manual work on the St Ives relaying as site access was a problem, and I believe the track work was all but done about 2 weeks ago.

A little historic note about the St Ives branch, opened 1st June 1877 it was Dual gauge from St Erth (called St Ives Road until branch opened) to Lelant Wharf and Broad gauge only beyond Lelant to St Ives.
The last line to be built to Brunel's Broad Gauge!

Approaching Carbis bay from St Erth there is a steep cutting that opens out at the St Ives end.
This was due to the line being built by many Cornish Miners who followed a rich Tin stream and went off course.
Gold (well Tin) in them there Hills.  ;D

Fascinating bit of history there, if  slightly off-thread, many thanks! I like the idea of killing two birds with one stone. A small point - we former tin miners refer to it as a "lode". Whatever you called it, tin deposits could be very rich. Most commercial mining starts with a concentration of cassiterite of 1%, but there were some much more concentrated sources in Cornwall. It made perfect sense to follow them wherever they occured.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on February 22, 2021, 08:22:53 pm
6C97 Westbury to Okehampton delivering rail Sunday night 21 February. Returned Monday morning. Designated 800 tons.

Another load Thursday 25 February although not allocated a code. Designated 1400 tons.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on February 26, 2021, 06:50:41 am
616Q was it's designation

Comes back today at 1700hrs at Crediton to Westbury.

Also Modern Railways March issue still reporting a passenger service start up during the May timetable even if late summer with eight trains Mon-Sat and six on Sunday. It's a start.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on February 26, 2021, 07:38:32 am
616Q was it's designation

Comes back today at 1700hrs at Crediton to Westbury.

Also Modern Railways March issue still reporting a passenger service start up during the May timetable even if late summer with eight trains Mon-Sat and six on Sunday. It's a start.

It's all good to see.  Just a reminder of course that the Government still hasn't announced what it will fund re Okehampton i.e. level of service and how much engineering work.  Everyone's very confident but until we get the announcement, we won't know for sure what is happening.

What Modern Railways have seen is that the service has been included in the working timetable which begins in May.  This is simply so it is in the system.  From what I am picking up, I wouldn't expect the service to begin in anything we might think of as "Summer" but hopefully the announcement is not far away now, it'll be positive and we'll then know much more.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: red cuillen on February 26, 2021, 02:03:38 pm
Taken this morning by a friend of mine


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on February 26, 2021, 06:03:18 pm
Those trains look only a cigarette paper apart.

The station looks well kept by the volunteers. Lets hope they keep responsibilty and the buffet is used well when we can use it.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on February 26, 2021, 06:38:46 pm
Those trains look only a cigarette paper apart.


They are, as you say, adequately separated. :)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 01, 2021, 03:59:03 pm
Engineering work to upgrade track closes the whole line between St David's and Barnstaple 10 April and 18 April with trains to Crediton operating from 14 April.

it does say they are extending the platform at Eggesford as well.

It has to be something to do with Okehampton. Maybe using the existing track to renew the old.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: paul7575 on March 01, 2021, 05:26:22 pm
Possibly would have been better explained as:
Between Sat 10th and Sunday 18th April.
Engineering work taking place from Saturday to Tuesday between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple and from Saturday to Friday between Crediton and Barnstable, closing all lines.
From Saturday to Tuesday, buses will replace trains between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple.
From Wednesday to Sunday, buses will replace trains between Crediton and Barnstaple.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: PhilWakely on March 03, 2021, 12:47:19 pm
I'm not sure whether this is the correct thread for this snippet, but I notice that Okehampton services from May 17th have appeared in RTT

See here (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/OKE/2021-05-17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)


[Mods, please move this if it more appropriate elsewhere]


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: GBM on March 03, 2021, 04:10:47 pm

See here (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/OKE/2021-05-17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)

Interesting Unadvertised Ordinary Passenger
Crew training perhaps


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: PhilWakely on March 03, 2021, 04:27:58 pm

See here (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/OKE/2021-05-17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)

Interesting Unadvertised Ordinary Passenger
Crew training perhaps

Class 2, so should be revenue earning services.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 03, 2021, 04:33:45 pm
See my post from 26 Feb above.  The services are in the timetable in readiness for introduction at a future date subject to the Government announcement, resulting engineering work etc.

The Budget today has some positive news.  I've been looking at the Budget document online and there's this -

"2.132 Investments in local railways and stations – The government will invest £59 million towards the construction of five new stations in the West Midlands, cutting journey times from Willenhall, Darlaston and south-west Birmingham into the city centre. This Budget will also unlock more than £40 million of funding to reinstate passenger services on the OkehamptonExeter line, subject to final approval of costs and contracts. These investments will provide good quality transport links between communities, and improve employment opportunities across these areas."
 
Page 61   https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/966161/Budget_2021_Web_accessible.pdf

All good news.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: The Tall Controller on March 03, 2021, 08:55:53 pm

See here (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/OKE/2021-05-17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)

Interesting Unadvertised Ordinary Passenger
Crew training perhaps

Class 2, so should be revenue earning services.

These are what Train Planners call 'Q paths'. They may not be required but they're there in system and can be used at short-notice.

For example, there is an unadvertised Q path for the Night Riviera to go via the Southern route on Sundays. It is hardly ever needed but its there for when it is. The same principle applies for these Okehampton trains in that they're there and ready for when services can start.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: infoman on March 04, 2021, 06:57:32 pm
BBC Spotlight local news said 40 million pounds had been awarded to get train services re-instated at Okehampton.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: onthecushions on March 04, 2021, 09:13:11 pm

There are some buying opportunities also:

https://rmslocotec.com/for-sale

I fancy the 4BIG buffet but would Mrs OTC?

OTC


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on March 04, 2021, 09:17:05 pm

There are some buying opportunities also:

https://rmslocotec.com/for-sale

I fancy the 4BIG buffet but would Mrs OTC?

OTC

All four pages of rolling stock in one URL ... and archived for posterity ...
I am getting lost in the complexity of organisations ... but lots of rolling stock including two thumpers up for sale.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/dfsall.pdf


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 05, 2021, 11:09:20 am

See here (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/OKE/2021-05-17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)

Interesting Unadvertised Ordinary Passenger
Crew training perhaps


Class 2, so should be revenue earning services.

These are what Train Planners call 'Q paths'. They may not be required but they're there in system and can be used at short-notice.

For example, there is an unadvertised Q path for the Night Riviera to go via the Southern route on Sundays. It is hardly ever needed but its there for when it is. The same principle applies for these Okehampton trains in that they're there and ready for when services can start.

These train paths seemed to have dropped to 2 trains in the morning and 2 in the evening. This could be a good sign for a May start with a covid service and the 8 trains following lockdown.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: phile on March 05, 2021, 03:19:21 pm

Go back to sleep and wake up when the trains appear in Journey Planning Systems and not what is in Real Time Trains (RTT) where editing is taking place   




Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms 08:35


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on March 05, 2021, 07:36:40 pm
This Budget will also unlock more than £40 million of funding to reinstate passenger services on the OkehamptonExeter line, subject to final approval of costs and contracts. These investments will provide good quality transport links between communities, and improve employment opportunities across these areas."
 
Page 61   https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/966161/Budget_2021_Web_accessible.pdf

All good news.

Presumably, this includes all the money so far spent and/or earmarked for restoration of services.

These train paths seemed to have dropped to 2 trains in the morning and 2 in the evening. This could be a good sign for a May start with a covid service and the 8 trains following lockdown.

This is really going to annoy certain people in Another Place, who took to social media to complain bitterly that the original listing was woefully inadequate. I did point out that it is traditional to wait until services actually begin before fulminating, but to little avail.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on March 05, 2021, 07:53:05 pm
A heads up for anyone keen to hear Network Rail's presentation of what should happen in the run-up to opening.

The website for https://www.okehampton.gov.uk/?fbclid=IwAR3P_iHi2ncfgSXWY-DDQxuZcFeaJ7dVVBxJGCOpJiOiCVMLtm_CfowL7FE]Okehampton Town Council[/url] lists the forthcoming Annual Town Assembly, to be held virtually on Monday 22 March 2021 at 7pm. The notice says:

Quote
Annual Town Assembly - Monday 22nd March 2021, 7pm
This is a public meeting that is open to all Okehampton Town residents. 

Representatives from Network Rail will be in attendance and making a presentation about the reopening of the passenger rail service from Okehampton to Exeter.

The Agenda for the meeting which is being held virtually because of the ongoing pandemic restrictions, and details of how you can attend will be available from here or by contacting the office on 01837 53179 or townclerk@okehampton.gov.uk.

If any Okehampton Town resident reading this would like to watch and report back to us, I am sure we will all be very interested. You never know - they may even allow guests.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 05, 2021, 10:40:54 pm

See here (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/OKE/2021-05-17/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)

Interesting Unadvertised Ordinary Passenger
Crew training perhaps


Class 2, so should be revenue earning services.

These are what Train Planners call 'Q paths'. They may not be required but they're there in system and can be used at short-notice.

For example, there is an unadvertised Q path for the Night Riviera to go via the Southern route on Sundays. It is hardly ever needed but its there for when it is. The same principle applies for these Okehampton trains in that they're there and ready for when services can start.

These train paths seemed to have dropped to 2 trains in the morning and 2 in the evening. This could be a good sign for a May start with a covid service and the 8 trains following lockdown.

There is no chance whatsoever of a May start.  As I said in a previous post, I don't see services starting in anything we would call "Summer" but I certainly see them starting in 2021.  Ignore anything that might appear in Real Time Trains until we have a definite start date.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 05, 2021, 10:46:22 pm
A heads up for anyone keen to hear Network Rail's presentation of what should happen in the run-up to opening.

The website for https://www.okehampton.gov.uk/?fbclid=IwAR3P_iHi2ncfgSXWY-DDQxuZcFeaJ7dVVBxJGCOpJiOiCVMLtm_CfowL7FE]Okehampton Town Council[/url] lists the forthcoming Annual Town Assembly, to be held virtually on Monday 22 March 2021 at 7pm. The notice says:

Quote
Annual Town Assembly - Monday 22nd March 2021, 7pm
This is a public meeting that is open to all Okehampton Town residents. 

Representatives from Network Rail will be in attendance and making a presentation about the reopening of the passenger rail service from Okehampton to Exeter.

The Agenda for the meeting which is being held virtually because of the ongoing pandemic restrictions, and details of how you can attend will be available from here or by contacting the office on 01837 53179 or townclerk@okehampton.gov.uk.

If any Okehampton Town resident reading this would like to watch and report back to us, I am sure we will all be very interested. You never know - they may even allow guests.

It's a public meeting so I see no problem with anyone, anywhere attending though, of course, only Okehampton residents will be allowed to ask questions.   Here's the agenda with Zoom link https://www.okehampton.gov.uk/data/uploads/2032_74043058.pdf




Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 05, 2021, 11:07:46 pm
This Budget will also unlock more than £40 million of funding to reinstate passenger services on the OkehamptonExeter line, subject to final approval of costs and contracts. These investments will provide good quality transport links between communities, and improve employment opportunities across these areas."
 
Page 61   https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/966161/Budget_2021_Web_accessible.pdf

All good news.

Presumably, this includes all the money so far spent and/or earmarked for restoration of services.

No, money was allocated in Great Western Railway´s (GWR) Direct Award (started last April) to take forward the Okehampton plan and there has been more money provided for the work necessary to allow test and delivery trains.  Deliveries of materials have been strictly on the basis that they would be taken away again if approval was not forthcoming.  Don't think it will be too much longer (touch wood) until things become much clearer.


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronyms - 08:45


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 07, 2021, 09:34:07 am
Don't know many builders that supply the materials before they know if they are getting paid.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 07, 2021, 12:35:24 pm
Don't know many builders that supply the materials before they know if they are getting paid.

It's not a case of that.  Network Rail have clearly bought the materials - if it came to it (and let's face it, right now this really doesn't look like it is going to happen), they would be moved for use elsewhere.



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 11, 2021, 10:50:15 pm
Delivered another trainload of ballast Tuesday night, returned Wednesday morning.

Sale or return!!!  picture from facebook.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51027321552_16a05e8601_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kK7mW5)Empty Ballast train coming from Okehampton. 10 March 2021 (https://flic.kr/p/2kK7mW5) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: paul7575 on March 12, 2021, 10:31:26 pm
Don't know many builders that supply the materials before they know if they are getting paid.

It's not a case of that.  Network Rail have clearly bought the materials - if it came to it (and let's face it, right now this really doesn't look like it is going to happen), they would be moved for use elsewhere.


I think it’s also relevant that Network Rail (NR) continually buy ballast in vast quantities and maintain their own stockpiles at various locations around the country known as “virtual quarries”, so I suspect the delivery of ballast for a specific job just becomes an internal paper transfer.  It might just be a consumable item, depending on the amount needed for particular job.



Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms - 08:46


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 17, 2021, 10:47:54 pm
Two engineering trains, one last night, one tonight taking more sleepers up to Okehampton or a site between.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 19, 2021, 12:03:25 am
And it's now official.  The Dartmoor Line between Exeter and Okehampton will reopen to regular, year round trains before the end of the year.

Initially it will be a two hourly service but sometime in 2022, a full hourly service will be introduced.

We at the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership were asked to put together the project website on behalf of all the partners.  It has just now gone live and there is much more information there   https://dartmoorline.com/

You can expect much media coverage throughout Friday and beyond and a lot of social media too from Network Rail, GWR, ourselves (@dcrailpart) and many others.

A fabulous day!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 19, 2021, 12:32:40 am
There's a good video about the reopening here on this Devon Live piece

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/dartmoor-rail-line-return-year-5194035


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on March 19, 2021, 06:09:29 am
What fantastic news to wake up to this morning. Congratulations to all involved in this long-standing campaign. I hope that it will prove a resounding success and give more impetus to further developments in the region, notably reopening to Tavistock.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: infoman on March 19, 2021, 08:07:43 am
BBC spotlight local news are reporting the latest news,should be on again on the lunch time and evening news.

BBC breakfast news on friday(thats today) is reporting LIVE LIVE LIVE from Okehampton.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on March 19, 2021, 08:08:34 am
GWR release
https://gwr-newsroom.prgloo.com/news/devon-communities-to-be-better-connected-as-railway-line-set-to-reopen-for-first-time-in-50-years
NR Twitter feed
https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1372827518122782721?s=21


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 19, 2021, 08:42:40 am
Live on BBC breakfast as I type this.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on March 19, 2021, 09:09:06 am
From https://dartmoorline.com/
Running every two hours at first but plans for hourly service with infrastructure upgrades.
Will it be a passing loop or making the two single line back to double track as far as the junction?
Quote
2022 timetable
Additional infrastructure work will take place on the route to enable GWR to increase the service to hourly during 2022. More details will be published on this website when available. 


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: stuving on March 19, 2021, 09:24:16 am
From https://dartmoorline.com/
Running every two hours at first but plans for hourly service with infrastructure upgrades.
Will it be a passing loop or making the two single line back to double track as far as the junction?
Quote
2022 timetable
Additional infrastructure work will take place on the route to enable GWR to increase the service to hourly during 2022. More details will be published on this website when available. 

Network Rail briefly announced the decision on line on Tuesday, and today have a longer piece (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/devon-communities-to-be-better-connected-as-railway-line-set-to-reopen-for-first-time-in-50-years/) with the mandatory quotes from usual suspects. On the technical side, that says:
Quote
Since the beginning of 2020, working in partnership with Great Western Railway (GWR), Network Rail has been carrying out detailed investigations to understand what infrastructure and railway control system improvements are needed to bring the Dartmoor Line up to the required standards to enable GWR to operate trains safely.

Now that the green light has been received and investigations have been completed, Network Rail engineers will start immediately to undertake a range of works including drainage, fencing and earthworks, and will lay over 11 miles of track, replace 24,000 concrete sleepers and install nearly 29,000 tonnes of ballast before running test trains on the track ahead of fully reopening the railway to passengers.

As part of these upgrades, improvements are also going to be made to Okehampton station including installing a ticket vending machine, Help Point, public address system, information screens, CCTV and free WiFi. A ‘Pay & Display' car park will also be introduced with dedicated disabled bays, and the station building and platform will be fully accessible.

They provide a link to the Dartmoor Line site (http://www.dartmoorline.com/) for more details, and that has the following answer to the above question:
Quote
Why is the line not being given an hourly train service from Day 1?

To bring the Dartmoor Line back into full operational use as quickly and safely as possible, a substantial amount of work needs to be carried out to the existing infrastructure.

Network Rail are focused on assessing and renewing the track, bridges and drainage to allow the line to re-open in 2021 with one train every two hours in service. Further work to upgrade the infrastructure will enable the line speed to be increased, permitting an hourly passenger service to start by summer 2022.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on March 19, 2021, 09:38:52 am

BBC breakfast news on friday(thats today) is reporting LIVE LIVE LIVE from Okehampton.

Darn, I missed it! Absolutely excellent news, though.


From https://dartmoorline.com/
Running every two hours at first but plans for hourly service with infrastructure upgrades.
Will it be a passing loop or making the two single line back to double track as far as the junction?
Quote
2022 timetable
Additional infrastructure work will take place on the route to enable GWR to increase the service to hourly during 2022. More details will be published on this website when available. 

Once the line is up to standard, I would imagine a train could get from Crediton to Okehampton and back comfortably within the hour, even with a gap to fit into the current Barnstaple service. A passing loop would future proof it, but that isn't the NR way.

I would think the next campaign will be to reopen North Tawton station.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 19, 2021, 10:11:16 am
Fantastic news! More!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 19, 2021, 11:09:23 am
I can't see North Tawton, Bow, reopening as they are just too far from the villages. Yeoford has more development potential.

It will be important to transfer the trailing crossover from Crediton to Coleford Junction and should not cost a fortune.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on March 19, 2021, 11:22:24 am
I can't see North Tawton, Bow, reopening as they are just too far from the villages. Yeoford has more development potential.

I may have missed it in all the flow of publicity - but will the trains be stopping at Sampford Courtney?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 19, 2021, 11:33:59 am
I was wondering about that too... it is certainly a possibility! https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/SMC/details.html


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 19, 2021, 11:54:25 am
I can't see North Tawton, Bow, reopening as they are just too far from the villages. Yeoford has more development potential.

I may have missed it in all the flow of publicity - but will the trains be stopping at Sampford Courtney?

Answer is on www.dartmoorline.com - in short, no, they won't. 


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on March 19, 2021, 12:18:10 pm
I can't see North Tawton, Bow, reopening as they are just too far from the villages. Yeoford has more development potential.

I may have missed it in all the flow of publicity - but will the trains be stopping at Sampford Courtney?

Answer is on www.dartmoorline.com - in short, no, they won't. 

Thanks ... FAQ says "Selected services will also stop at [snip] Newton St Cyres" and that's in addition to the stations shown on the map ... by lack of mention that rules out others. I'm sure the intermediate decisions all make sense.



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 19, 2021, 12:20:25 pm
It also says "Other stations on the route (such as Sampford Courtenay) are not planned to open under the current scheme."  That's in the 'Stations' section on the main website.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on March 19, 2021, 03:25:20 pm
The opening of a new station at Okehampton East will make Sampford Courtenay even less viable, I'd have thought.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on March 19, 2021, 03:30:26 pm
It's good that this has been given the go ahead, I'd hope that those pursuing funding, will not pause, but open a case now for the reopening of other stations in addition to the new Okehampton Parkway one. Given the timescales that these projects have any delay would be unwelcome. I trust that the extant platforms at intermediate stations will be included in the relayed track design being proposed so that reopening is not compromised by any re-alignment in the relaying now to be undertaken.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 19, 2021, 05:12:44 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51052761092_3fda6c6d01_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kMmKdQ)East Okehampton masterplan (https://flic.kr/p/2kMmKdQ) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr

The Parkway station is planned between employment land and near to housing land both having some development. Any stations between here and Crediton would increase journey times for little gain.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on March 19, 2021, 05:15:41 pm
The opening of a new station at Okehampton East will make Sampford Courtney even less viable, I'd have thought.

So would I. Sampford Courtenay isn't at all big. There's a lot of new housing appearing around Okehampton, though, so the eastern station would make sense. The current Okehampton station will be a transport hub, hopefully with a bus to meet every train. It's a bit of a schlep from the town centre.

Edit: As REVUpminster posted while I was typing.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 20, 2021, 11:32:16 pm
Here's ITV Westcountry's piece from Friday.

https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2021-03-19/dartmoor-rail-service-to-return-after-almost-50-years-thanks-to-405m-scheme?fbclid=IwAR3bH6XDYK0BM3ae4jAcyVTk2s3ZttDio-CgBJDzP_Fyg2JFmMCIdF1vdnc


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Jamsdad on March 21, 2021, 01:03:18 pm
The Parkway station is likely to be a big hit with people driving in from N Cornwall and W Devon, and Exeter commuters. Driving in the Exeter at rush hour is terrible.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 21, 2021, 06:43:01 pm
The Parkway station is likely to be a big hit with people driving in from N Cornwall and W Devon, and Exeter commuters. Driving in the Exeter at rush hour is terrible.

I agree but the existing station will be good too - plenty of parking, more than 100 spaces.  Parkway station will be a really good addition when it comes (and I'd say it is "when" rather than "if")


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on March 22, 2021, 07:49:25 am
I have the feeling that this is going to be popular, with full early services from Day One.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 24, 2021, 09:43:02 am
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50999016220_35e4ba8b19_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kGBhK7)Okehampton station 26 February 2021 (https://flic.kr/p/2kGBhK7) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr

On another site the coaches in platform 2 have been moved to renew the track in platform 3 and check the gauge between tracks is up to modern standards.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51068298277_50f901f6d2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kNJnTk)Okehampton Car park 21 March 2021 (https://flic.kr/p/2kNJnTk) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr

A "few" sleepers in the car park. It does look like the four foot is just that!!



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Southernman on March 24, 2021, 03:12:57 pm
As one of my colleagues commented, its interesting (and great) that concrete sleepers are being used and not steel. Perhaps shows that the possibility of extending to Meldon (for the quarry) or Tavistock (and Plymouth) are being considered. I understand steel is used where traffic is less heavy and slower. Good to see the relaying is being done to a high standard.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 24, 2021, 04:06:02 pm
To a certain extent that is indeed the case - steel won’t be used on high speed and intensive routes, but the choice also comes down to the cost of steel vs concrete at the time which can fluctuate AIUI.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on March 26, 2021, 09:06:07 am
From another site. All the heritage stock has been moved to the quarry sidings by class 08 and class 31 locomotives. Both engines pulled the 11 carriages from platform 2.

The class 31 and a general utility van placed for removal by road.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on March 26, 2021, 11:50:15 am
Is it known yet whether or not track will be relaid on both through platforms at Okehampton, and points for a (passing) loop installed or does the plan consist of a single stub with a connection to a separate Okehampton-Meldon section?



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on March 26, 2021, 12:05:12 pm
Is it known yet whether or not track will be relaid on both through platforms at Okehampton, and points for a (passing) loop installed or does the plan consist of a single stub with a connection to a separate Okehampton-Meldon section?



Track won't be relaid on both platforms and there won't be points for a passing loop either, I'm afraid.  Only the single line into the operational platform is needed for the passenger service.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on March 27, 2021, 08:21:05 am
Thanks, Richard B. Well, it's a start, and the most important thing is to get the service up and running.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on April 13, 2021, 03:47:48 pm
Progress on the trackwork, specifically at North Tawton, highlighted on the project website -

https://dartmoorline.com/2021/04/new-track-on-north-tawton-bridge/


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on April 14, 2021, 06:39:55 am
No double tracking there in far future !! Are they trying to make a station halt? Need those limited clearance signs.

Still the line speed must be greatly enhanced.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on April 18, 2021, 09:22:29 am
There is a detailed report in the May issue of Modern Railways, p76-80. It gives some of the post 1994 background before detailing the improvements that are being made. The one engine in steam principle of signalling is being retained thus reducing costs and five new GSM-R radio masts are being built to improve radio reception.
It seems that the aim is a December opening for the two hourly service. The hourly service will need the renewal of Greenslade bridge over which there is currently a 20 mph restriction. The aim is for a 27.5 minute time from Crediton to Okehampton, with two minutes less on the return. The hourly service will be two minutes less in journey time. Line speeds increase to 55mph from Coleford Jct, 70mph at Bow, back to 55 mph through Sampford Courtenay, followed by 65mph and the 40 mph into Okehampton.
Much more detail in the article


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on April 18, 2021, 11:40:04 pm
New Track Construction train arrived tonight and a second train with more sleepers?

One train returns to Westbury tomorrow.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on April 21, 2021, 09:44:34 am
Track laying has begun, this from Network Rail Western Twitter feed

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1384788507944685568?s=21


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on April 23, 2021, 04:19:10 pm
Network Rail update on Twitter

Quote
  the first stage consisting of 2.6km of railway line has now been renewed along the Dartmoor Line. There are 3 further sections to do over the coming weeks.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on April 24, 2021, 12:33:23 am
Network Rail update on Twitter

Quote
  the first stage consisting of 2.6km of railway line has now been renewed along the Dartmoor Line. There are 3 further sections to do over the coming weeks.


1.6 miles.  Fabulous stuff.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on April 27, 2021, 01:42:42 pm
They’re looking for a new logo for the Dartmor Line, closing date May 23

https://dartmoorline.com/2021/04/design-the-dartmoor-logo/


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Celestial on April 27, 2021, 05:00:37 pm
They’re looking for a new logo for the Dartmor Line, closing date May 23

https://dartmoorline.com/2021/04/design-the-dartmoor-logo/

How about a prison?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2021, 06:05:15 pm
They’re looking for a new logo for the Dartmor Line, closing date May 23

https://dartmoorline.com/2021/04/design-the-dartmoor-logo/

How about a prison?

Come, come ... it needs to be attractive.   I put "scenes of Dartmoor" into Google and came up with some stunning pictures though the absence  of graphic artist or local knowledge in me suggests I let others take it further ...


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: johnneyw on April 27, 2021, 11:44:02 pm
The magnificent Haytor might be a great symbol with it's double peaks, visible from miles around.... I've seen it from many parts of Torbay.  Okay, it's a few miles from Okehampton but a suitable Dartmoor icon surely?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on April 28, 2021, 07:15:34 am
The new D1 and D2 timetables are advertising already the Dartmoor Line reopening before the end of the year.
Maybe before the December timetable as they are in the May timetable passively provisioned.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on April 28, 2021, 09:19:54 am
Three themes emerge from the other logos.
The Tamar Valley line has a railway structure: Calstock viaduct. Meldon viaduct would seem the obvious equivalent.... but the line doesn't cross it (yet) and there would be no explicit connection between the name and the logo in the case of meldon whereas Calstock viaduct does actually span the Tamar Valley.
The Riviera line has a palm tree. A symbolic tor or two, as johnneyw suggests, would work well, I think.   
The Avocet and Tarka lines have animals and a Dartmoor pony would be the obvious choice if an animal were chosen.




Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Jamsdad on April 28, 2021, 10:47:08 am
As it is in reality the Okehampton branch, the best icon would be Okehampton Castle. You dont get to see much of Dartmoor from the train!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: eightonedee on April 28, 2021, 10:51:32 am
The ruins of Okehampton Castle look like they could form the basis of a strong image.

Whoops - Jamsdad just beat me to it!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: johnneyw on April 28, 2021, 01:29:31 pm
The Avocet and Tarka lines have animals and a Dartmoor pony would be the obvious choice if an animal were chosen.

Or the Hound of the Baskerville's?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Marlburian on May 02, 2021, 11:58:31 am
There's an article in the "Home" section of today's Sunday Times about the line's re-opening "making this corner of the southwest of England a more practical proposition for buyers hunting for a dreamy combination of spectacular scenery and accessibility".

It includes details of properties for sale costing between £700k and £2.95m.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: CyclingSid on May 03, 2021, 09:55:14 am
Not sure where the staff for the trains will live. All to familiar problem in the South and South West where people to provide local services, of any kind, are priced out of the market.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Lee on May 03, 2021, 10:33:24 am
Not sure where the staff for the trains will live. All to familiar problem in the South and South West where people to provide local services, of any kind, are priced out of the market.

Indeed - I am fortunate where I am in Brittany that I live in a nice house, in the centre of a nice rural town, that is in the middle of some wonderful countryside, and not a million miles away from some world-beating coast, with public transport connections available to get me most places where I need to go relatively straightforwardly.

I suspect that I would be unable to afford to buy what I have here if I tried to purchase in an equivalent area of the UK.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on May 08, 2021, 08:03:39 am
Article in the Cornwall Railways site, news section today, with description of work being carried out

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on May 12, 2021, 05:24:15 pm
Another update from Network Rail Western via Twitter

Quote
We are really pleased to announce that Wales and Western have set a new record for our region and installed around 11 miles of new track in just under 4 weeks on the Dartmoor Line as part of the Governments restoring your Railway initiative

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1392501759403253761?s=21


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: chuffed on May 12, 2021, 07:48:13 pm
And how long has it taken to even think about relaying 3.5 miles of track on the Portishead line  ?
At least 1040 weeks by my reckoning !


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on May 12, 2021, 08:02:09 pm
And how long has it taken to even think about relaying 3.5 miles of track on the Portishead line  ?
At least 1040 weeks by my reckoning !

In fairness, Okehampton was a long time in the planning. Once Portishead gets the nod, it won't take long. It does not have the advantage Okehampton had in being able to deliver rail and sleepers by rail, though. I don't think the existing track would be risked.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on May 13, 2021, 07:35:04 am
There was a few second on Spotlight yesterday to say the track relaying had been completed.

This line must open before December. After all passenger trains, if not for covid, would have run last summer on Sundays even if at a lower speed.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on May 13, 2021, 08:12:34 am
Further pictures on the Cornwall Railway Society website this morning.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on May 13, 2021, 04:10:31 pm
There was a few second on Spotlight yesterday to say the track relaying had been completed.

This line must open before December. After all passenger trains, if not for covid, would have run last summer on Sundays even if at a lower speed.

There is apparently a lot more work to be done. As for last summer, you are assuming that the track would have been passed fit for passenger traffic again. Some of those sleeps looked decidedly dodgy.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on May 13, 2021, 05:12:32 pm
True but would it have deteriorated that much in a year when you consider the weight of the freight trains carrying the sleepers compared to a 150. I think reported here or elsewhere a proving train went to Okehampton before all the freight. A derailed freight could have been a disaster. Maybe a proving train went first every summer Sunday before to check the track as a passenger crash would have been a bigger disaster.

As for the signalling improvements that's really down to manpower thrown at it.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: infoman on May 15, 2021, 04:22:37 pm
BBC local news for south west england showing pictures of the ballast and track being laid at Okehampton.

BBC local news is available for 24 hours only on the i-player thingy


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on May 15, 2021, 09:30:08 pm
BBC local news for south west england showing pictures of the ballast and track being laid at Okehampton.

BBC local news is available for 24 hours only on the i-player thingy

Just watched it - thanks! It's at https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000w8dx/spotlight-evening-news-15052021

and is available until 1615 on 15 May 2021.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: MVR S&T on May 15, 2021, 09:57:12 pm
BBC local news for south west england showing pictures of the ballast and track being laid at Okehampton.

BBC local news is available for 24 hours only on the i-player thingy

Just watched it - thanks! It's at https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000w8dx/spotlight-evening-news-15052021

and is available until 1615 on 15 May 2021.
Till 16th May.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on May 16, 2021, 01:51:53 pm

Till 16th May.

Darn - have I lost another day? :)

I love the shots of this huge machine, which with sleeper trucks must be a few hundred metres long and north of a thousand tonnes heavy, all being directed by a man walking backwards using a pad with with a couple of buttons.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on May 19, 2021, 08:50:42 am
More from Rail Advent here (https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/05/network-rail-finishes-installing-11-miles-of-track-on-dartmoor-extension-as-milestone-reached.html?fbclid=IwAR0cuTR8ZiZQ7wKf--z0UvMg3WNRMnioR3HFRcqCCk3A900Z6GLDfY3R9Zc), with a video embedded, showing the track laying gizmo.



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: eightonedee on May 19, 2021, 10:59:17 am
Can they now train it to install OHL gantries and wires?  ;D


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on June 01, 2021, 06:12:44 pm
Went to Okehampton today. doesn't open to 11am for platform 1 and 2 for the small museum, bookshop, and some refreshments. Free parking. Platform 3 out of bounds. Only toilets I could see were portaloos by the bicycle hire

The platforms are in remarkably good condition. Picture show limit of works is just across the road bridge. Tracks still require tamping. Old concrete sleepers were removed as well as wooden ones. There are metal sleepers in the bay. Lot of removed material to take away, by train?, to get the car park back.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218418363_f8302ceaf2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m2ZMmF)Okehampton Station looking east 1 June 2021.JPG from platform 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2m2ZMmF) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51218204851_bc6f362454_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m2YFTr)Okehampton Station looking west 1 June 2021. platform 2 (https://flic.kr/p/2m2YFTr) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51217492787_0ff595c8a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m2V3dt)Okehampton Station looking east 1 June 2021.JPG old concrete sleepers (https://flic.kr/p/2m2V3dt) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51219275465_f1fa6dfb8f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m35b9i)Okehampton Station looking west 1 June 2021 (https://flic.kr/p/2m35b9i) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on June 02, 2021, 03:21:11 pm
Went to Okehampton today. doesn't open to 11am for platform 1 and 2 for the small museum, bookshop, and some refreshments.

Very nice pictures, REVUpminster.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Oxonhutch on June 02, 2021, 03:40:36 pm
Very nice pictures, REVUpminster.

Indeed, I very much agree. But the last one causes me some confusion: I thought from further up this thread that only one line remains in use. If so, why the extra signal on the other line?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: paul7575 on June 02, 2021, 04:28:57 pm
AIUI the two lines combine at a set of points just out of shot west of the station, so movements towards Meldon Quarry can still be made from either platform 2 or 3, so both need the fixed stop boards?

But there’s no route east out of P2.

Paul


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on July 02, 2021, 03:15:30 pm
Network Rail have completed acquisition of Okehampton line from Aggregate Industries and the northern half of the station from Devon County Council, who retain the southern half and will maintain the footbridge linking them.
There is also a piece in todays news on the Cornwall Railway Society website

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-commences-ownership-of-dartmoor-line-and-okehampton-station



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on July 02, 2021, 04:09:19 pm
From another site some pictures that update mine.
Scrap train removing old track to Westbury on the 23 June 2021.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51285846094_ddc90f24c8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m8XngL)Okehampton scrap train (https://flic.kr/p/2m8XngL) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51285295833_0729641a95_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2m8UxGv)scrap train 23 June 2021 (https://flic.kr/p/2m8UxGv) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on July 30, 2021, 04:27:46 pm

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Network Rail is inviting the local community to attend an information event next week to find out more about forthcoming improvements to the level crossings along the Dartmoor Line.

Network Rail is holding a drop-in event next Wednesday 4 August at Bow Village Hall from 3.30pm until 7pm, where people will be able to find out more about these upgrades.

Work also due to start on GSM-R masts in August as planning permission has come through.

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/dartmoor-line-level-crossing-upgrade-information-event


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on July 30, 2021, 04:48:00 pm

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Network Rail is inviting the local community to attend an information event next week to find out more about forthcoming improvements to the level crossings along the Dartmoor Line.

Network Rail is holding a drop-in event next Wednesday 4 August at Bow Village Hall from 3.30pm until 7pm, where people will be able to find out more about these upgrades.

Work also due to start on GSM-R masts in August as planning permission has come through.

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/dartmoor-line-level-crossing-upgrade-information-event

Quote
For those unable to make the drop-in event in person, there will also be a virtual event on Thursday 5 August between 5pm and 6pm which can be joined via the following URL - https://tinyurl.com/28x2f27y.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on July 30, 2021, 06:15:29 pm
Bow is one station that will never reopen unless something ever comes of a possible government policy of allowing building within 1 km of a station even if green belt/field.

Once a year we go to St Bartholomew's church which is stranded a mile outside the town and the station is a further away.
No shops except a garden centre and a coop and they are not in the town. Chocolate box it is not.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on July 30, 2021, 06:17:01 pm
I think the reference here is to level crossings, not stations ???


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: infoman on August 04, 2021, 07:42:17 pm
BBC spotlight local news for the South west had a news item about the foot crossings on the line.

Available on the i-player catch up thingy till approx 18:00pm on thursday


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on August 06, 2021, 07:23:16 am
I might be shot down in flames but I heard a whisper that the line will open 12/13 September.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on August 06, 2021, 08:29:14 am
I might be shot down in flames but I heard a whisper that the line will open 12/13 September.

Take it from me, it won't be opening to passengers as soon as that.

There will probably be trains running though - driver training.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on September 05, 2021, 09:37:17 am
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2021-12-12/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt

Okehampton trains on realtime from timetable change.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Pb_devon on September 06, 2021, 07:36:07 am
The first train arrival at Exeter at 10am isn’t going to attract commuters!
Or is this just a draft and there will be something earlier?
Perhaps RichardB would comment (thanks).


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2021, 07:55:32 am
As previously mentioned many times, you can’t rely on RTT until the timetables are finally signed off by NR. Until then, always subject & likely to be changed.

If a peak timetable to be offered, I suggest it’ll need more than a single train to avoid major overcrowding? Is that possible?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on September 06, 2021, 08:31:52 am
The first train arrival at Exeter at 10am isn’t going to attract commuters!
Or is this just a draft and there will be something earlier?
Perhaps RichardB would comment (thanks).

12 Dec is a Sunday this year, the usual day of the week for TT changes, click forward on RTT to Monday you'll see the full service then.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on September 06, 2021, 09:10:47 am
As previously mentioned many times, you can’t rely on RTT until the timetables are finally signed off by NR. Until then, always subject & likely to be changed.

If a peak timetable to be offered, I suggest it’ll need more than a single train to avoid major overcrowding? Is that possible?

Spot on re RTT, ChrisB.  The timetable appearing now is simply a placeholder but it does make public the planned new service when it does start (as long as that is 12 Dec or after).  As has been said, the commitment is to open in 2021.  I'm not picking up anything that suggests this isn't achievable.

The line will continue to be one train working past Crediton but track etc improvements will allow the hourly service from sometime next year.  Expect 4 coach trains at busy times. 



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2021, 09:36:08 am
There was hope that it may well be possibke to lauch prior to Dec 12….and not heard anything to say yet that isn’t going to he possible either. Of course, nothing will be posted to RTT until nearer actual launch date - which will first need to be confirmed by NR and secondly by the TOC once they have driver training well under way.

With a good wind, I reckon there may be a soft launch prior if only to reduce the number of train enthusiasts wanting to travel on the first day & overwhelming the offered service (which they will, given half a chance)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: phile on September 06, 2021, 09:56:28 am
Just looked at RTT now and first arrival at Exeter (Central) is 0805.   Regarding Timetable dates, the September one is an additional one due to COVID changes so is not starting on a Sunday like the two proper ones in May and December for which systems are set up. 


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: The Tall Controller on September 06, 2021, 10:51:31 am
As this ties in with the start of the December timetable, it could be a similar situation to May when the timetable was uploaded to RTT and then swiftly removed.

There's still no confirmation of an official start date so I wouldn't take this information as any form of revelation.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on September 06, 2021, 11:20:26 am
As this ties in with the start of the December timetable, it could be a similar situation to May when the timetable was uploaded to RTT and then swiftly removed.

As a reference in case that happens again - Monday to Friday, 1st full week it's shown:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/oke_202112_mf_draft.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on September 06, 2021, 01:02:03 pm
Perhaps they could tweak it so it is at least clockface during the middle part of the day.   Much easier to market.  Much easier to remember.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on September 06, 2021, 01:49:18 pm
Perhaps they could tweak it so it is at least clockface during the middle part of the day.   Much easier to market.  Much easier to remember.

No reason why the GBTT can't be 07:20, 09:20, 11:20, 13:20, 15:20, 18:20 and 20:20 from Okehampton.  Not going to get into delay / repay margins even if the train leaves 5 minutes after boarding as arrivals will still be on time. Turn around on the 11:18 arrival probably mean that a WTT of 11:20 would be out (and little point in changing the WTTs if they give an issue at Crediton.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on September 06, 2021, 04:35:36 pm
Regarding train enthusiasts on the first train. Maybe something over the weekend 2nd 3rd October?

https://dartmoorline.com/news/

Also 30/75 speed restriction sign has appeared on the branch.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on September 06, 2021, 05:23:17 pm
There are always many wanting to take the first/any train on the first day in official service - as well as that probable happening


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on September 06, 2021, 07:58:06 pm
Regarding train enthusiasts on the first train. Maybe something over the weekend 2nd 3rd October?

https://dartmoorline.com/news/

Also 30/75 speed restriction sign has appeared on the branch.

I can tell you for certain it won't be that early. 


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Pb_devon on September 07, 2021, 07:58:06 am
The first train arrival at Exeter at 10am isn’t going to attract commuters!
Or is this just a draft and there will be something earlier?
Perhaps RichardB would comment (thanks).

12 Dec is a Sunday this year, the usual day of the week for TT changes, click forward on RTT to Monday you'll see the full service then.
Apologies, I failed to look at the calendar ☹️


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: plymothian on September 07, 2021, 09:04:21 am
Perhaps they could tweak it so it is at least clockface during the middle part of the day.   Much easier to market.  Much easier to remember.

No reason why the GBTT can't be 07:20, 09:20, 11:20, 13:20, 15:20, 18:20 and 20:20 from Okehampton.  Not going to get into delay / repay margins even if the train leaves 5 minutes after boarding as arrivals will still be on time. Turn around on the 11:18 arrival probably mean that a WTT of 11:20 would be out (and little point in changing the WTTs if they give an issue at Crediton.

You're looking at the wrong column, the departures from Okehampton are are on the right and are x20, xx24 and xx25, the xx24s are more likely to have a GBTT departure of xx25 giving a clockface timetable.
The times on the left are the arrival times at Okehampton, not the departure time from Exeter.

What's strange is the last row arrival with no associated departure.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on September 07, 2021, 09:17:26 am
Perhaps they could tweak it so it is at least clockface during the middle part of the day.   Much easier to market.  Much easier to remember.

No reason why the GBTT can't be 07:20, 09:20, 11:20, 13:20, 15:20, 18:20 and 20:20 from Okehampton.  Not going to get into delay / repay margins even if the train leaves 5 minutes after boarding as arrivals will still be on time. Turn around on the 11:18 arrival probably mean that a WTT of 11:20 would be out (and little point in changing the WTTs if they give an issue at Crediton.

You're looking at the wrong column, the departures from Okehampton are are on the right and are x20, xx24 and xx25, the xx24s are more likely to have a GBTT departure of xx25 giving a clockface timetable.
The times on the left are the arrival times at Okehampton, not the departure time from Exeter.

What's strange is the last row arrival with no associated departure.

Pantomime time - oh no I'm not  ;D ;D

I proposed a GBTT departure of :20 - it has to be before or the same as the WTT departure - otherwise the train could leave before the timetable says.  A :25 GBTT would get people who arrived to the station just a minute or two before the published time just a little miffed as they saw the tail lights disappear even though it was just :23 on the clock.

Probably can't put them uniformly back to :25 WTT and GBTT without changing the hard work already done slotting them in once they get back to Crediton and Cowley Bridge.     Can't put them WTT universally to leave at :20 because there's not enough turn-around time in the hours that the arrival is :18.

Yes - I noticed the last arrival has no corresponding departure too.  Probably an ECS not yet in the timetabe?  I can't imagine the first arrival in the morning coupling up to another unit stabled overnight for what will be the peak train.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on September 07, 2021, 10:50:21 pm
2E58 is the return to Exeter at 2219.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51433710997_7eb5456b45_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mn2dmD)okehampton service (https://flic.kr/p/2mn2dmD) by Robert (https://www.flickr.com/photos/revupminster/), on Flickr


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on September 09, 2021, 08:12:55 am
From Cornwall Railway Society website this morning
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GW608  - CREDITON TO COLEFORD (MELDON LINE) CREDITON TO OKEHAMPTON SINGLE  LINE

The  line  of  route  GW608  has  been  extended  to  include  the  former  Dartmoor  Railway  from  former  Coleford  Junction  (183m  69ch) to  Meldon  Quarry  (Okehampton)  and  operated  by  Network  Rail  (infrastructure  manager).

Delete  all  references  to  line  of  route GW609. The  single  line  between  Crediton  and  former  Coleford  Junction  will  continue  to  be  known  as  the  Up/Down  Okehampton  line.   Beyond  former  Coleford  Junction,  and  to  Meldon  Quarry,  the  line  will  be  known  as  the  Up/Down  Dartmoor  single  line.    From Crediton,  the  down  direction  is  now  Okehampton. Until  further  notice  the  end  of  the  single  line  will  be  a  stop  board  (CN102)  at  the  Meldon  Quarry  end  of  Okehampton  (197m  28ch). A  fixed  distant  signal  (CN100)  will  be  provided  510  metres  on  approach  to  the  stop  board.

Method  of  working
The  One-train  working  regulations  applies  between  Crediton  (facing  points  23A)  and  Okehampton.    A  train-staff  labelled  “Crediton–  Okehampton”  has  been  provided  and  normally  kept  in  Crediton  signal  box. The  start  of  one-train  working  will  be  indicated  by  a  line  side  sign,  just  the  Meldon  side  of  facing  points  23A  (approximately  177m 30ch). The  section  signal  leading  onto  the  single  line  at  Crediton  will  be  CN4.    In  the  other  direction,  the  home  signal  will  be  CN3.

Speeds
Until  further  notice  a  temporary  speed  restriction  (TSR)  of  55  miles  per  hour  (mph)  applies  to  passenger  trains  (loaded  or  empty) and  light  locomotives  between  Crediton  (facing  points  23A)  and  195m  00ch.    A  30mph  TSR  applies  to  all  other  trains. A  differential  permissible  speed  of  30/45  mph  will  apply  between  195m  00ch  and  a  25mph  permissible  speed  which  starts  at  the Crediton  end  of  Okehampton. There  are  instances  of  a  lower  speed  TSR  inside  the  higher  (55  mph)  TSR.    Termination  indicator(s)  is  not  placed  at  the  end  of the  lower  speed  TSR,  instead  a  55mph  speed  indicator  will  be  placed  showing  the  higher  speed  TSR. See  also  Section  A  of  this  notice  concerning  lower  speed  TSR(s)  which  apply.

Level  Crossing
The  following  footpath  (FP)  and  user  worked  (UWC)  level  crossings  have  been  upgraded  to  Overlay  Miniature  Stop  Light  (OMSL) type,  with  red  (do  not  cross)  and  green  (safe  to  cross)  warning  lights  (R/G),  telephones  and  signs  giving  instructions  to  users: 184m  00ch  -  Penstone  FP 187m  04ch  -  Common  Moor  No.1  UWC 185m  41ch  -  Two  Moors  Way  FP 186m  15ch  -  Landsend  UWC 188m  03ch  -  Buttisland  UWC 194m  66ch  -  Corscombe  UWC New  whistle  (W)  board  shave  been  provided  on  either  side  of  Park  No.2  LC  (179m  54ch)  on  the  Okehampton  and  North  Devon single  lines.

Okehampton
A  single  platform  (situated  on  the  up  side  of  the  single  line)  capable  of  accommodating  4  x  23m  long  vehicles  has  been  provided at  Okehampton.

Automatic  Warning  System  (AWS)
A  permanent  AWS  magnet  has  been  provided  150  metres  on  approach  to  the  distant  signal  (CN100)  outside  Okehampton.    The magnet  is  not  suppressed  for  up  direction  movements  and  a  cancelling  indicator  will  be  provided. Telecommunications Until  further  notice,  the  GSM-R  area  remains  as  published  in  the  Sectional  Appendix  (start/end  183m  79ch).

See  local instructions  in  Section  D  of  this  notice  concerning  duties  of  the  guard  in  lieu  of  train  radio  coverage  on  the  single  line.
   

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/latest-input--news--old-pictures-etc


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on September 17, 2021, 11:11:43 am
Crew training diagrams in the timetable from 20 September 2021. Exeter depot to Okehampton then a few trips between Yeoford and Okehampton before back to Exeter. Repeats again during afternoon.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on September 18, 2021, 10:17:39 am
Times now showing on RealTimeTrains for the training runs

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/oke2009.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: johnneyw on September 19, 2021, 12:19:57 pm
Network Rail have issued a warning about the public accessing the line with test train activity due to ramp up next week.

This from Devon Live:

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/safety-warning-issued-trains-begin-5935548


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on October 10, 2021, 04:23:18 pm
Heresay, but seems reasonable, so I'll post it, NR and GWR to announce formally start of service in December 'this coming week - Week beginning 11 Oct 2021', Advertising and promotion to start  shortly after. We'll see.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on October 10, 2021, 10:35:44 pm
Heresay, but seems reasonable, so I'll post it, NR and GWR to announce formally start of service in December 'this coming week - Week beginning 11 Oct 2021', Advertising and promotion to start  shortly after. We'll see.

I read "heresy" first time around. It may be hearsay, but it looks very likely.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on October 12, 2021, 09:21:00 am
GWR just tweeted that the line opens for passenger service on Saturday November 20 & that a day return from EXD will be no more than £8

No don’t all rush at once!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on October 12, 2021, 10:03:12 am
Network Rail Western announce opening from 20th of November!

Quote
   The Dartmoor Line - arriving Saturday 20 November 2021


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Pb_devon on October 12, 2021, 11:12:42 am
Details, timetable & fares on the line’s website: https://dartmoorline.com/



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 12, 2021, 11:34:00 am
Excellent.  We’ll done to all involved and I’m sure it’ll be a great success and I’m looking forward to a trip on it next year.

Let’s hope it leads to other similar ‘quick win’ sensible reopenings in the future.  Let’s also hope GWR can provide a crew and train to operate it reliably!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Lee on October 12, 2021, 12:00:55 pm
Excellent.  We’ll done to all involved and I’m sure it’ll be a great success and I’m looking forward to a trip on it next year.

Let’s hope it leads to other similar ‘quick win’ sensible reopenings in the future.  Let’s also hope GWR can provide a crew and train to operate it reliably!

What would be the embodiment of a "slow lose" silly future reopening, in your opinion?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 12, 2021, 12:14:01 pm
What would be the embodiment of a "slow lose" silly future reopening, in your opinion?

Aberystwyth to Carmarthen and The Windsor Link are two that immediately spring to mind.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: infoman on October 12, 2021, 01:47:35 pm
BBC Spotlight local news for the South West of England has a feature on the opening of the Okehampton section of the line
at 13:30pm on tuesday, the item is available for 24 hours only.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 12, 2021, 02:03:16 pm
What would be the embodiment of a "slow lose" silly future reopening, in your opinion?

Aberystwyth to Carmarthen and The Windsor Link are two that immediately spring to mind.


Actually, I shouldn’t really include the second as it’s not a reopening, so I’ll substitute it with Bourne End to High Wycombe.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: jamestheredengine on October 12, 2021, 07:31:32 pm
What would be the embodiment of a "slow lose" silly future reopening, in your opinion?

Aberystwyth to Carmarthen and The Windsor Link are two that immediately spring to mind.

I was surprised that that didn't come top in the Welsh Government's oddly named Swansea Bay and West Wales "Metro" consultation (https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/consultations/2021-10/swansea-bay-and-west-wales-metro-summary-of-responses_0.pdf). Instead the top option was reattaching Aberdare/Hirwaun to the Vale of Neath – spendy, but altogether more useful.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 12, 2021, 10:18:04 pm
BBC Spotlight local news for the South West of England has a feature on the opening of the Okehampton section of the line
at 13:30pm on tuesday, the item is available for 24 hours only.

...or if you missed that, you can read about it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58876411


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on October 12, 2021, 10:22:16 pm
BBC Spotlight local news for the South West of England has a feature on the opening of the Okehampton section of the line
at 13:30pm on tuesday, the item is available for 24 hours only.

...or if you missed that, you can read about it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58876411

I haven't watched the lunchtime Spotlight but the evening programme started with a long feature too https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0010m0g/spotlight-evening-news-12102021


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Jamsdad on October 12, 2021, 11:15:43 pm
 I am looking forward to being on that first train! I was on the last train in 1972 before closure, so there is a nice symmetry  for me.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: PhilWakely on October 13, 2021, 05:52:29 am
I am looking forward to being on that first train! I was on the last train in 1972 before closure, so there is a nice symmetry  for me.

You may need to get in quick with the number of likely high profile free loaders on that first train  ;) Capacity may be severely limited.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Timmer on October 13, 2021, 07:36:46 am
You may need to get in quick with the number of likely high profile free loaders on that first train  ;) Capacity may be severely limited.
You can be sure it will be one service that won’t be cancelled due to shortage of train crew!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Mark A on October 13, 2021, 10:45:13 am
Can IEPs be used to Okehampton? Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere...


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Lee on October 13, 2021, 11:27:05 am
Can IEPs be used to Okehampton? Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere...

I don't know the answer, but I am certainly ready to be entertained by the discussion.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ChrisB on October 13, 2021, 11:39:04 am
I suspect that they’re not guage-checked


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: stuving on October 13, 2021, 11:40:32 am
Can IEPs be used to Okehampton? Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere...

I don't know the answer, but I am certainly ready to be entertained by the discussion.

It's not listed as part of the the "Great Western IEP Network" in (deep breath) Appendix A to Part C of Schedule 1 of the Great Western IEP Network Train Availability and Reliability Agreement (TARA). That's not really a surprise, given its date (2014) - and in any case only requires that the train is suitable for the route. Gauge clearance is a separate issue; the same list includes Reading-Waterloo via Wokingham, and I'm pretty sure that's never been gauge (or anything else) cleared.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 13, 2021, 12:36:09 pm
Can IEPs be used to Okehampton? Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere...

As Stuving says, no.  But more to do with them not being needed to operate over that route than any fundamental reason (probably).


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on October 13, 2021, 12:49:02 pm
I hope that the first train is at least 4-car. I'm thinking of joining it myself, but it looks like I'm already at the back of quite a lengthy queue.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Timmer on October 13, 2021, 03:50:06 pm
Timetable now available:
https://www.gwr.com/~/media/gwr/pdfs/plan-journey/timetables/2021/october/d2-nov.pdf?la=en


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on October 13, 2021, 09:02:26 pm
Looking at the timetables, even with the two hourly initial Okehampton service, Crediton now receives a very impressive service as a result of the combination of Tarka and Dartmoor Line Services.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: trainbuff on October 13, 2021, 09:29:08 pm
I suspect that they’re not guage-checked

Indeed. But HST's are gauge cleared so a 2 + 4 might be a sensible idea if another 4 coach train cannot be confirmed. OkeRAil CIC hired one to got to Paddington.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on October 13, 2021, 09:37:37 pm
Not wishing to put the knockers on it but surely gauge clearance on all stock will need rechecking due to the replacement of track along the entire length. The line to NR is essentially a whole new piece of engineering so the laying down of the new wouldn't necessarily be in the precise same location as the former 'heritage' track.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on October 14, 2021, 09:54:08 am
Not wishing to put the knockers on it but surely gauge clearance on all stock will need rechecking due to the replacement of track along the entire length. The line to NR is essentially a whole new piece of engineering so the laying down of the new wouldn't necessarily be in the precise same location as the former 'heritage' track.
Hmm! In view of all the modern planning, measuring and control techniques now available, is it likely that Network Rail installed so much new track in the 'wrong' place?

And, if necessary, it shouldn't take long to check the track positioning with relation to any critical points - a laser scanner on the front of a train ought to be able to get up and back within the hour. Add a day for evaluation - and Bob's your Uncle!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on October 14, 2021, 05:57:47 pm
Not suggesting it's in the wrong place, just thinking that the former Heritage line was essentially lifted and new track laid from Okehampton to the Tarka line, there's no reason why this should have followed the precise path of the former line, given it was effectively a guided re-lay that wasn't needed, moreso with former intermediate halts being omitted. Hence my suggestion that re-gauging might be needed for all rolling stock.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on October 14, 2021, 11:07:10 pm

Hmm! In view of all the modern planning, measuring and control techniques now available, is it likely that Network Rail installed so much new track in the 'wrong' place?


Somebody had to spot it. I'm sure it said "Portishead" on the discarded wrappers.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on October 15, 2021, 07:49:13 am
150 and a 158 (yesterday) have been there on the training run.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: johnneyw on November 11, 2021, 11:10:17 pm
A16 year old has won the competition to design the Dartmoor Line logo.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/teenager-designs-dartmoor-rail-line-6188382


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bignosemac on November 12, 2021, 02:03:15 pm
A16 year old has won the competition to design the Dartmoor Line logo.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/teenager-designs-dartmoor-rail-line-6188382

(https://i.ibb.co/3CKnhbY/0-JS250197793.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on November 13, 2021, 08:22:19 pm
A16 year old has won the competition to design the Dartmoor Line logo.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/teenager-designs-dartmoor-rail-line-6188382

(https://i.ibb.co/3CKnhbY/0-JS250197793.jpg)

Well done Tom! I like it!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: ellendune on November 13, 2021, 08:23:59 pm
I was once told that the BR Totem sign was designed by a Swindon Apprentice who might not have been any older.  Is this true?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on November 13, 2021, 08:37:17 pm
I see the first train due to Okehampton on public opening day is the rail head treatment “leaf buster”.  Probably a good idea remembering the problems the HST tour had a few years back. 

 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H14689/2021-11-20/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H14689/2021-11-20/detailed)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on November 13, 2021, 09:36:27 pm
I was once told that the BR Totem sign was designed by a Swindon Apprentice who might not have been any older.  Is this true?

Gerry Barney was 24 when he designed the double arrow - https://www.creativereview.co.uk/british-rail-logo/ - haven't been able to trace the totem origins


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on November 13, 2021, 11:58:35 pm
I see the first train due to Okehampton on public opening day is the rail head treatment “leaf buster”.  Probably a good idea remembering the problems the HST tour had a few years back. 

 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H14689/2021-11-20/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H14689/2021-11-20/detailed)


Good idea as it is passing. You don't want the first returning passenger train to go sliding through Crediton, and not stopping until Newton St Cyres.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on November 14, 2021, 01:07:56 pm
I see the first train due to Okehampton on public opening day is the rail head treatment “leaf buster”.  Probably a good idea remembering the problems the HST tour had a few years back. 

 https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H14689/2021-11-20/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:H14689/2021-11-20/detailed)


Good idea as it is passing. You don't want the first returning passenger train to go sliding through Crediton, and not stopping until Newton St Cyres.

Edit:

There is a nice article on the reopening, safely behind a paywall in today's Sunday Times. Having read that 500 tickets have been sold for the inaugural service, I think I'll wait a little while before giving it a go.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on November 14, 2021, 01:44:38 pm
RTT shows an hourly service on the first day
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2021-11-20/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Bob_Blakey on November 14, 2021, 05:39:41 pm
Presumably though the 2Kxx & 2Exx trains are those in passenger service while the 2Zxx services are driver training runs.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: PhilWakely on November 14, 2021, 07:59:37 pm
Presumably though the 2Kxx & 2Exx trains are those in passenger service while the 2Zxx services are driver training runs.

5Z02 is an empty stock additional service to provide 2Z71 which is an additional service that is already planned and shown in booking engines. The other 2Zxx services are potential additional passenger services that may run as required (I guess), but these are currently not shown in booking engines.

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww255/PhilWakely/oke_day1.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on November 16, 2021, 08:59:41 pm
Strange to run an empty train to Okehampton to make up the additional 0830. Maybe if St David's is packed it will run passenger. What are the odds a turbo makes the first trip. There seems to be four down here at the moment Exmouth-Paignton.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on November 16, 2021, 09:16:13 pm
New bus service to link Okehampton and Tavistock via Lydford. To run hourly with alternate services connecting with the new train service

https://www.devon.gov.uk/news/new-bus-service-being-launched-to-connect-with-okehampton-rail-services/


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 17, 2021, 11:05:14 am
Strange to run an empty train to Okehampton to make up the additional 0830. Maybe if St David's is packed it will run passenger. What are the odds a turbo makes the first trip. There seems to be four down here at the moment Exmouth-Paignton.

It's booked for a Class 150.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Western Pathfinder on November 17, 2021, 02:05:17 pm
Bit of a do at Okehampton this morning,over on the GWR Facebook page That friendly Chap Tim Dunn is reporting from the station ,with Mark Hopwood & Sir Peter Hendy,and none other than the sos transport Grant Shapps.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on November 17, 2021, 04:31:52 pm
2Z-- (150233) was booked as passenger even on the training runs between Okehampton and Yeoford


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bignosemac on November 17, 2021, 04:52:58 pm
Bit of a do at Okehampton this morning,over on the GWR Facebook page That friendly Chap Tim Dunn is reporting from the station ,with Mark Hopwood & Sir Peter Hendy,and none other than the sos transport Grant Shapps.

Here's the link to full FB broadcast:
https://www.facebook.com/gwruk/videos/1239185533252684/


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: infoman on November 17, 2021, 06:42:22 pm
BBC spolight local news were reporting LIVE from Okehampton at the begining of the programme at 18:30pm


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bradshaw on November 18, 2021, 10:42:53 am
08.30 ex Okehampton added to timetable according to GWR Twitter. I suspect that the rest if the 2Zxx are there just in case they are needed.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on November 18, 2021, 11:42:16 am
Strange to run an empty train to Okehampton to make up the additional 0830. Maybe if St David's is packed it will run passenger. What are the odds a turbo makes the first trip. There seems to be four down here at the moment Exmouth-Paignton.

Thursday 2 turbos Paignton- Exmouth, 2 Barnstaple-Exeter.
150239 is working Okehampton Yeoford having earlier for the rush hour attached to 150265 for Paignton Exmouth.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on November 18, 2021, 09:43:31 pm
Bit of a do at Okehampton this morning,over on the GWR Facebook page That friendly Chap Tim Dunn is reporting from the station ,with Mark Hopwood & Sir Peter Hendy,and none other than the sos transport Grant Shapps.

Here's the link to full FB broadcast:
https://www.facebook.com/gwruk/videos/1239185533252684/

Shame that this wasn't planned better and the communications tested. Would have been impressive then. What we got really was grim.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bignosemac on November 18, 2021, 10:50:57 pm
A few glitches and Tim Dunn struggled a bit broadcasting live, even with cue cards, but overall not bad for a social media live broadcast.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on November 19, 2021, 09:43:57 am
A few glitches and Tim Dunn struggled a bit broadcasting live, even with cue cards, but overall not bad for a social media live broadcast.

Agreed, but he carried the broadcast with his charisma, sincere interest and genuine enthusiasm.

Btw, isn't it time to add Okehampton to the list of services in the title 'Shorter Journeys in Devon' along with Barnstaple, Exmouth etc? :-)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 19, 2021, 12:20:28 pm
Btw, isn't it time to add Okehampton to the list of services in the title 'Shorter Journeys in Devon' along with Barnstaple, Exmouth etc? :-)

Your wish is my command...


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Andy on November 19, 2021, 09:48:50 pm
Btw, isn't it time to add Okehampton to the list of services in the title 'Shorter Journeys in Devon' along with Barnstaple, Exmouth etc? :-)

Your wish is my command...

Hope it felt as good to add it as it does to see it there!!
:-)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyN on November 19, 2021, 10:38:59 pm
Glad to see the usual mess applies to the fares to Okehampton.

I looked up fares from Pershore on brfares.com and found that there is a via Worcester fare. Off peak return £44.90 with Senior railcard. Its not clear if this means Via Worcestershire parkway as well.

However even when the National rail enquiries journey planner gives me a journey via Worcester Shrub hill the fare given is the not London fare. £64.60.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on November 19, 2021, 11:20:34 pm
Train every hour Saturday. Wonder what stock and if short forms occur elsewhere. Soon find out.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on November 20, 2021, 06:07:57 am
Train every hour Saturday. Wonder what stock and if short forms occur elsewhere. Soon find out.

I have seen pictures of a 150 being specially spruced up ... and understand it's one of two getting that treatment.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on November 20, 2021, 06:44:20 am
Train every hour Saturday. Wonder what stock and if short forms occur elsewhere. Soon find out.

I have seen pictures of a 150 being specially spruced up ... and understand it's one of two getting that treatment.

150233  looked like it went through the train wash Wednesday and had a sign stuck on the front of which Grant Shapps took a replica back to London. Need more than one unit today. There are fou turbos down here, Two have already started the Paignton- Exmouth run on the first two trains. Thursday and Friday the other two were operating Barnstaple - Exeter and one of the 158s did the Paignton Exmouth.

added at 0650 150233/221 has taken the first train to Okehampton this morning.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on November 20, 2021, 10:51:17 am
It looks to have all gone to plan this morning, so far.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51691490557_26b9d0bc99_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 20, 2021, 11:07:36 am
It looks to have all gone to plan this morning, so far.

Even managing to sensibly plan in a visit from the Rail Head Treatment Train first thing.

Brilliant news to see it up and running.  I'll be visiting as soon as I get chance.  Let's hope for two things: 1) The service is reliable.  Few crew shortages or capacity/infrastructure problems.  2) The service is well used.  Nothing will send a clearer message of positivity towards others with reopening ambitions.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: PhilWakely on November 20, 2021, 11:48:19 am
It looks to have all gone to plan this morning, so far.

Even managing to sensibly plan in a visit from the Rail Head Treatment Train first thing.

Brilliant news to see it up and running.  I'll be visiting as soon as I get chance.  Let's hope for two things: 1) The service is reliable.  Few crew shortages or capacity/infrastructure problems.  2) The service is well used.  Nothing will send a clearer message of positivity towards others with reopening ambitions.

The real test will be in a couple of months. The opening popularity, followed by potential Christmas shoppers will have worn off and the tourist season will not have started.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: stuving on November 20, 2021, 11:43:40 pm
Glad to see the usual mess applies to the fares to Okehampton.

I looked up fares from Pershore on brfares.com and found that there is a via Worcester fare. Off peak return £44.90 with Senior railcard. Its not clear if this means Via Worcestershire parkway as well.

However even when the National rail enquiries journey planner gives me a journey via Worcester Shrub hill the fare given is the not London fare. £64.60.

"Via Worcester" will be via the Worcester group: both town stations (plus Droitwich Spa in theory; I don't think you can use it in practice). WOP has not been added to the group, which is one of the routeing points for WOP, the others being Cheltenham Spa, Oxford, and Bromsgrove.

The issue is why that via Worcester fare is not found, even for a journey via Worcester. At first sight it looks as if it might a lack of adjustments to allow for OKE, or WOP, or both, as new stations. But the failure to route with a change at WOP is more likely to be just a matter of connection times, and  the same missing fare happens if you are only going to Exeter. From Worcester, you do get offered the change at WOP, as well as going to Cheltenham to change (onto the same train). That looks odd, but is simply due to the nearly 1 hour wait from the former being enough to offset the extra change. I suspect that XC have not defined that fare correctly in some way.

Leaving aside the overall level of fares set by XC, there are other oddities that suggest they don't look very closely at what they are doing. One I spotted is for Worcester-Exeter, where XC set the only two fares. One is routed "via Bristol", and an anytime single is £120.10 - high even by XC's standards. The other is routed "not via Birmingham", and that SOS is £64.80, and that is the only fare found by the OJP. Is there any practical route avoiding Bristol for the other fare to apply to? Common sense says no, and the Routeing guide (for once) agrees. Mind you for Cheltenham-Bristol GWR set the only fare, and it's very much cheaper, so splitting undercuts both of these.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on November 21, 2021, 09:16:35 am
From Hitchens Blog in the Mail on Sunday (https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2021/11/peter-hitchens-border-chief-had-one-job-and-he-didnt-believe-in-it.html)

Quote
Putting right a terrible wrong

I see the Transport Minister and e-scooter fan Grant Shapps has been dressing up as a character from Thomas The Tank Engine, waving a green flag and blowing a whistle.

He was reopening a railway line in Devon, a line running across the top of Dartmoor, where a kindly driver once let me, aged 12, have a go at the controls of his train.

This tiny restoration of a small part of a lost line fills me with rage. It should never have been closed. It is not nearly enough. It was so beautiful I still sometimes dream of travelling on it again, 50 years after it was ripped up. It was a full-sized express main line between London and Plymouth, still badly needed every summer and every time the other route, along the sea, is washed away by storms at Dawlish.

The reinstatement of such lines, and there are so many of them, would do far more good to far more people than silly high-speed vanity projects such as HS2. We have let the car and the lorry rule this country far too long, spreading noise, ugliness and filth over town and country alike. The closure of railways in the 1960s was a terrible mistake and there has never been a better time to put it right.



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyN on November 21, 2021, 08:18:17 pm
I had a look at the ticket machine at Pershore today and the via Worcester fares are available.

I note that the Journey planner gives a weekday journey leaving Pershore at 07:58 via Worcester foregate street. (Always prefered by journey planners because Platform interchange by lift is available even though in this case both trains are likley to use the same platform at both Shrub Hill and foregate street). The fare given is the not London super off peak £64.60 price It is very unlikley that the machine will sell this ticket before 08:20 on a weekday.

I have been caught by this snag before with off peak tickets on the 07:58. There are a number of journeys that can be made by taking this train to Parkway or Worcester stations, that have valid off peak tickets. However GWR insist you need an anytime ticket to get to Worcester on this train


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Mark A on November 22, 2021, 11:42:36 am
On the travel to work timed train from Okehampton this morning, seven passengers.

https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/status/1462682492058710017


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 22, 2021, 05:43:21 pm
On the travel to work timed train from Okehampton this morning, seven passengers.

https://twitter.com/BusAndTrainUser/status/1462682492058710017

Obviously a lot of people working from home in that area!



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on November 23, 2021, 09:50:35 am
Here's today's 09 24 ex Okehampton. 

https://twitter.com/DCRailPart/status/1463078465364713474


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 23, 2021, 09:55:41 am
That's more like it!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE3mFnPXwAg_D1a?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 23, 2021, 10:01:26 am
Indeed - and I can actually spot a friend in that picture!  :)

That's the 0924 though - anyone know how the numbers were looking on the 0724 travel to work "commuter" service which only carried 7 passengers yesterday?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: The Tall Controller on November 23, 2021, 12:50:37 pm
Today's 1032 EXC-OKE was recorded as having just over 100 people on board.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Mark A on November 23, 2021, 03:29:16 pm
Indeed - and I can actually spot a friend in that picture!  :)

That's the 0924 though - anyone know how the numbers were looking on the 0724 travel to work "commuter" service which only carried 7 passengers yesterday?

The service level isn't where it needs to be to support travel to work - return services are a smidge after 5pm and then the following one is well after 7pm so they'll do better when they're ramped up.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Lee on November 24, 2021, 12:46:35 pm
Here is Roger French's take on the Okehampton service - https://busandtrainuser.com/2021/11/24/okehamptons-back-on-track/


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on November 24, 2021, 03:23:16 pm
Took a trip to Okehampton on Monday.

The mid morning train from Exeter Central was well loaded and it was noticeable once we branched off from the parallel line to Barnstaple north of Yeoford how smooth the new continuous rail was compared to my last journey to Okehampton.  Also no more scraping of trains by passing trees.  Some have been felled and others cut back to cut down the number of scratches inflicted on passing rolling stock.

For the first few days of the service two class 150s have been providing a four car service on the line and have been given appropriate logos

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okewrap.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okewrap2.jpg)

The station is much as I remember it - although now with a mix of new and period signage.  At present there are no refreshment facilities but work is in hand to re-open the cafe which existed there previously.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okesign1.jpg)(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okesign2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okegen.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okedep.jpg)

The big plus for me is the new bus service which links the station with both the town of Okehampton and Tavistock.   If you have been there you will know the hike back to the station is a good 10 minutes uphill!

I took the bus into Okehampton and was dropped off by the Museum of Dartmoor life which is well worth a visit and currently has an exhibition dedicated to the history of the railway in the town.  Like a lot of stations Okehampton was a large employer going back with up to 70 people working there at one stage.

Also conveniently placed next to the museum is Wetherspoons, this one not only a pub but also one of their hotels.

The bus is timed to connect with the trains arriving and departing and around a dozen made use of it.

One thing you won't get on the journey are views of Dartmoor.  Almost all the route is surrounded by trees with only the briefest of glimpses of the landscape.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/okeview.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 24, 2021, 05:16:18 pm
Typeface nerds will have spotted that while the new signage has GWR branding, it uses what appears to be Rail Alphabet font for the station name and other information. GWR have previously used the Glypha font on running-in boards, at Filton Abbey Wood for example.

I see this as an improvement!


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on November 24, 2021, 05:20:51 pm
Typeface nerds will have spotted that while the new signage has GWR branding, it uses what appears to be Rail Alphabet font for the station name and other information. GWR have previously used the Glypha font on running-in boards, at Filton Abbey Wood for example.

I see this as an improvement!

Well spotted.  It is indeed Rail Alphabet 2.  It was a late change.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: stuving on November 24, 2021, 05:27:34 pm
Typeface nerds will have spotted that while the new signage has GWR branding, it uses what appears to be Rail Alphabet font for the station name and other information. GWR have previously used the Glypha font on running-in boards, at Filton Abbey Wood for example.

I see this as an improvement!

Well, Grant Shapps did promise you that, didn't he?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: johnneyw on November 24, 2021, 08:21:07 pm
Now that the trains are back and the cafe is due to reopen, does this also herald the return, I wonder, of Percy the station cat?


Edit to add that Percy left the station for new digs with the closure of the heritage operation some while back.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on November 24, 2021, 09:45:51 pm
From August 2018

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/percy.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/percy1.jpg)


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bignosemac on November 25, 2021, 09:19:02 pm
Geoff 'All the Stations' Marshall's visit to Okehampton:



Great to see so many people waiting to board the 0926 to Exeter.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: plymothian on November 26, 2021, 05:36:12 am
And today sees the first service cancellations due to crew shortage.

Which by the way Okehampton has relocated somewhere in South America according to the live service map above.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on November 26, 2021, 05:50:48 am
And today sees the first service cancellations due to crew shortage.

Which by the way Okehampton has relocated somewhere in South America according to the live service map above.

The map update will have to wait to Sunday - I'm delayed away and without code / database update access. Same on adding the station stats to all the regular time sequences.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on November 26, 2021, 07:04:22 am
In the light of that, GWR have reinstated the cancelled services.  ;D


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on November 26, 2021, 03:58:12 pm
Now that the trains are back and the cafe is due to reopen, does this also herald the return, I wonder, of Percy the station cat?


Edit to add that Percy left the station for new digs with the closure of the heritage operation some while back.

Adopted cats haven't stayed put throughout lockdown and reopening. Mango from Tesco at Tiverton seems to have relocated before I was able to buy my own toilet paper again. I don't like to ask.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: bobm on November 26, 2021, 07:57:44 pm
I seem to have gained a cat during lockdown.  A friendly, if rather long haired, specimen.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 01, 2021, 12:50:17 am
An interesting old video from the late 60s.  The first ten minutes are especially relevant showing the old Okehampton service before withdrawal as well as probing, for the time at least, interviews suggesting a hidden agenda of closures/awkward connections etc. perhaps pertinent to the Salisbury situation.

https://youtu.be/ALspaRQFXts


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2021, 06:03:34 am
And today sees the first service cancellations due to crew shortage.

Which by the way Okehampton has relocated somewhere in South America according to the live service map above.

Rolling stock issues today and I have grabbed a copy of the data feed so I can sort out and test the issue


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: johnneyw on December 22, 2021, 09:53:24 pm
Its a rather good looking start for Okehampton according to latest figures with more than 10,000 passengers so far.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/dartmoor-line-tops-10000-passengers-6358240



Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: Mark A on January 03, 2022, 06:14:53 pm
Working to accelerate the development of the through route to Plymouth:

https://join-up.uk/

Mark


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: REVUpminster on January 10, 2022, 07:28:47 pm
165136 worked Okehampton Saturday and 166203 today.

150s could be gone depending on cascade as 769s come on stream at Reading by end of year


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 12, 2022, 08:31:44 pm
Adopted cats haven't stayed put throughout lockdown and reopening. Mango from Tesco at Tiverton seems to have relocated before I was able to buy my own toilet paper again. I don't like to ask.

Mango has withdrawn from public life, and is enjoying a happy retirement.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: rogerw on January 13, 2022, 08:11:30 pm
It may be of interest to some that UKRailtours are running a trip to Okehampton (and Paignton) on Saturday 26th March, picking up at Paddington, Slough, Reading and Swindon. Out via Bristol and return via Westbury and TransWilts Full details on their web site


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on January 13, 2022, 09:26:53 pm
It may be of interest to some that UKRailtours are running a trip to Okehampton (and Paignton) on Saturday 26th March, picking up at Paddington, Slough, Reading and Swindon. Out via Bristol and return via Westbury and TransWilts Full details on their web site

Tempting

https://www.ukrailtours.com/product/springtime-hoovering-in-devon/


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on January 17, 2022, 03:57:50 pm
I know it's been fixed for a couple of weeks now, but the booking engine now is operating correctly for Okehampton, all ranges of tickets are now available. Taken the plunge and am travelling to Okehampton tomorrow from Perranwell for a day out.

Should be a fun day.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: TonyK on January 17, 2022, 07:53:07 pm
I know it's been fixed for a couple of weeks now, but the booking engine now is operating correctly for Okehampton, all ranges of tickets are now available. Taken the plunge and am travelling to Okehampton tomorrow from Perranwell for a day out.

Should be a fun day.

Just waiting for favourable auguries myself, then I shall make a tour of inspection myself. Hopefully accompanied by Mrs K, although if she is out of town I can move at a more leisurely pace. Just under £6 return with the card from my nearest station.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RailCornwall on January 18, 2022, 08:16:00 pm
Excellent trip albeit with a slight delay at Exeter on the return. Impressed with the ride quality on the Dartmoor Line which really couldn't be better. The bus down to Okehampton centre is a necessity, more so the return to the station, the walk would be quite a schlep. I was surprised to see that some work was done on Sampford Courtney platform even though the station is no longer served. It'll be interesting to monitor usage going forwards.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: grahame on January 18, 2022, 09:02:43 pm
The bus down to Okehampton centre is a necessity, more so the return to the station, the walk would be quite a schlep. ...

For those of us who have not yet been there, how does it compare to Liskeard to Coombe Junction?


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on January 18, 2022, 09:14:18 pm
The bus down to Okehampton centre is a necessity, more so the return to the station, the walk would be quite a schlep. ...

For those of us who have not yet been there, how does it compare to Liskeard to Coombe Junction?

Funnily enough, I have walked up to Okehampton station from the town - three times in the last year, once in a downpour! - but I've not walked Coombe Jn - Liskeard.  Okehampton is a steep, fairly unrelenting walk but not all that long - I've done it in 12 mins.  The 118 is very welcome.  There's talk of a new very local operator providing an additional town bus too in the near future.


Title: Re: Okehampton
Post by: RichardB on January 18, 2022, 09:15:05 pm
The bus down to Okehampton centre is a necessity, more so the return to the station, the walk would be quite a schlep. ...

For those of us who have not yet been there, how does it compare to Liskeard to Coombe Junction?

Funnily enough, I have walked up to Okehampton station from the town - three times in the last year, once in a downpour! - but I've not walked Coombe Jn - Liskeard.  Okehampton is a steep, fairly unrelenting walk but not all that long - I've done it in 12 mins.  The 118 is very welcome.  There's talk of a new very local operator providing an additional town bus too in the near future.



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