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Title: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 25, 2021, 18:27:12
YTL Developments (YTL) have released this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_0zJJK35k) which gives some idea of the size of the development proposed for the old Filton Airfield. There is much more to it than just an Arena!

(https://www.skyscrapercity.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=1920,fit=scale-down/https://www.skyscrapercity.com/attachments/8bc1fbf7-1204-4412-a618-dd21b650f00e-jpeg.697453/)

An hourly train service on the Henbury line doesn't quite seem adequate for what is, in essence, a new town. However if you wind forward to 1.05, you will see that the trains are apparently going to be truly enormous!


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Abbreviation


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Lee on April 25, 2021, 19:40:02
From the Official Brabazon Website Connections page: (https://www.brabazon.co.uk/explore/connections)

Quote from: Official Brabazon Website Connections page
GETTING FROM A-B IS EASY

Train or bus. Two feet or two wheels. Conveniently connected to the life and creativity of the city and to the warmth and comfort of your new community. Brabazon is Bristol’s best-connected new neighbourhood. You could walk or run to work anywhere within North Bristol’s technology cluster. You could cycle to the city centre. Or jump on the train to Temple Meads and be there within 15minutes. Take the new MetroBus route to reach both of Bristol’s leading universities, or to pop to the shops on Park Street. Heading to London? Paddington is just over an hour from Bristol Parkway. You couldn’t be better connected at The Hangar District.

TRAIN

Brabazon's brand new train station* will connect to Bristol Temple Meads in under 15mins.

Bristol Temple Meads to Bath Spa in under 15mins.

Bristol Parkway to Cardiff Central in under 35mins.

Bristol Parkway to London Paddington in under 75mins.

*Metrobus and train station arriving at Brabazon for 2023


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: CyclingSid on April 26, 2021, 07:10:25
Just hope it is more successful than the Brabazon aircraft


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 26, 2021, 09:04:59
Just hope it is more successful than the Brabazon aircraft

Yes! Has no-one told them that for many people 'Brabazon' is synonymous with 'white elephant'? Maybe this development will be so successful that it will supplant that idea...


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: stuving on April 26, 2021, 09:35:24
Just hope it is more successful than the Brabazon aircraft

Yes! Has no-one told them that for many people 'Brabazon' is synonymous with 'white elephant'? Maybe this development will be so successful that it will supplant that idea...

What struck me was that no-one pictured is over 40 (is that a limitation of Computer-generated imagery (CGI)?). That may be a strong selling point, or realistic (and those may reinforce each other). But it probably means that few will have heard of the Brabazon in its heavier than heavier than air sense, or of the eponymous lord come to that.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Bmblbzzz on April 26, 2021, 10:42:49
Well it does say "Join the next generation in shaping the future".


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Lee on April 26, 2021, 10:47:51
Well it does say "Join the next generation in shaping the future".

All I will say is that the next generation must be a very optimistic one, given the opening dates that the website expects for Metrobus and Brabazon railway station...


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 04, 2021, 18:12:15
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Bristol Arena developer releases train station plans for Brabazon

YTL Developments is working with Network Rail on a detailed planning application which is expected to be submitted in August

(https://i2-prod.business-live.co.uk/incoming/article21221107.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/1_HBBRI_040821-brabazon-train-station_04.jpg)

The developer behind Bristol Arena has released computer-generated images of the train station it is planning to build as part of its huge scheme.

Malaysia-based YTL, which is constructing a vast neighbourhood on the former Filton Airfield to the north of the city, is proposing a new station at the site. The company is working with Network Rail on the plans.

The station at Brabazon – currently known as Filton North – will connect the new development and the arena to Bristol Temple Meads in less than 15 minutes once it is completed as part of MetroWest Phase 2, YTL has said.

There will also be a dedicated MetroBus route to the neighbourhood.

Network Rail will be submitting a detailed planning application for the station this month. YTL said it expected to begin construction in 2022, with the station then scheduled to be operational in 2023, if planning is approved.

The Bristol Arena is then scheduled to open its doors for the first time in 2024.

...continues, with more CGI images (https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/bristol-arena-developer-releases-train-21220898)
Source: Business Live


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on August 05, 2021, 20:34:18
I looked at those other CGI pictures, in particular this one:

(https://i2-prod.business-live.co.uk/incoming/article21221121.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_HBBRI_040821-brabazon-train-station_02.jpg)

That seems to put the station at the level crossing between the Airbus plant and what was Apron F on the southern side of the runway. I have only a still from a video taken by my son (I was busy at the time) to show it as it was, on the left, midway down the picture:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51360438445_0bc818f9e0_c.jpg)

but I am pretty sure that is nowhere near the site earmarked by Bristol City Council for the station, which was a lot closer to Passage Road. Nor is it the original Filton North, still there in a cutting. Have plans changed at WACO or whatever the new Metro Mayor calls it? Will there still be a station near Henbury, or is this it? To be honest, the position makes sense from the point of view of being on level ground, and I suppose YTL are in a position to do what they want and expect the various councils to kow-tow.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: broadgage on August 05, 2021, 20:35:54
And what is missing from the artists impression ?

1) OHLE.
2) Multiple cycles, not perhaps on the platform, but a small crowd of happy cyclists in the background is almost obligatory.
3) EV charging points.
4) Ticket gates.
5) A long enough train to handle the expected numbers.

I think that there might be a wheelchair user on the far platform, if so that ticks one box.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: johnneyw on August 05, 2021, 23:19:59
Will there still be a station near Henbury, or is this it?

I'm pretty sure Henbury station is still going ahead, not on the original Station Road site but a little further east just of Wyck Beck Road, still some distance from the Brabazon Area and the new 'Filton Keynes' district.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 06, 2021, 10:35:19
I looked at those other CGI pictures, in particular this one:

(https://i2-prod.business-live.co.uk/incoming/article21221121.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_HBBRI_040821-brabazon-train-station_02.jpg)
Whoever did the graphics seems to have forgotten to make the corridor between the lift shafts three dimensional.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: stuving on August 06, 2021, 11:15:44
Whoever did the graphics seems to have forgotten to make the corridor between the lift shafts three dimensional.

I think it is 3D, if minimally - look at the left end, where the vertical square section casts a shadow. But the whole bridge is almost devoid of texture (as a lot of CGI is), so it is only those shadows that suggest the angles in 3D and so depth.

They could have added one of those square sections along the top of the parapets, and made it project on the inside too to give more shadow, or even make the vertical ones do the same. That would help visually.

Of course it needs that top rail to the parapets structurally anyway; if built as drawn it would have buckled and collapsed immediately.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 06, 2021, 12:06:27
In case there was any lingering doubt, the plan is for two stations - North Filton (Brabazon) and Henbury:

Quote
North Filton and Henbury train stations

New train stations are proposed as part of MetroWest Phase 2 to serve Henbury and North Filton.

These new train stations will form part of the Henbury spur and a new hourly train service will run between Bristol Temple Meads and Henbury, calling at Ashley Down and North Filton.

The two new stations will provide access to train services for existing residents as well as linking in with major new developments taking place at Filton Airfield.

The next stage for these two stations is a planning application to receive consent from South Gloucestershire Council to build the scheme. Each station will have a separate planning application.

As Henbury station is being built within a flood zone, more time is needed to make sure our designs are suitable. As a result, North Filton planning application will be submitted first.

...continues, wth maps and images (https://travelwest.info/projects/north-filton-and-henbury-train-stations)

Source: Travelwest



Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on August 06, 2021, 19:09:40
In case there was any lingering doubt, the plan is for two stations - North Filton (Brabazon) and Henbury:

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North Filton and Henbury train stations

New train stations are proposed as part of MetroWest Phase 2 to serve Henbury and North Filton.

These new train stations will form part of the Henbury spur and a new hourly train service will run between Bristol Temple Meads and Henbury, calling at Ashley Down and North Filton.

The two new stations will provide access to train services for existing residents as well as linking in with major new developments taking place at Filton Airfield.

The next stage for these two stations is a planning application to receive consent from South Gloucestershire Council to build the scheme. Each station will have a separate planning application.

As Henbury station is being built within a flood zone, more time is needed to make sure our designs are suitable. As a result, North Filton planning application will be submitted first.

...continues, wth maps and images (https://travelwest.info/projects/north-filton-and-henbury-train-stations)

Source: Travelwest


I looked at the map with its interactive buttons for the two stations. What popped up for the Brabazon didn't fill me with renewed confidence in Travelwest. I know the area is just within Almondsbury civil parish, but it isn't the name I would have chosen.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51361227696_0cbd00a528_c.jpg)

And what is missing from the artists impression ?


I'm sure there is a small buffet on the train, so it isn't all bad.


Title: North Filton station
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 05, 2021, 13:04:31
The planning application for North Filton (for yes, that it what it sounds like it will be called) is now available on the South Glos planning portal:

Go to https://beta.southglos.gov.uk/search-planning-applications/ and search for P21/06296/F

The 'Design Note' document seems to give a reasonable overview.



Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: TonyK on October 05, 2021, 14:30:04
It looks to be pretty central - on what is currently a level crossing, just next to what was the grassed apron for light aircraft. Has Henbury been forgotten about?


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: stuving on October 05, 2021, 14:49:27
It looks to be pretty central - on what is currently a level crossing, just next to what was the grassed apron for light aircraft. Has Henbury been forgotten about?

It's exactly where "North Filton for Brabazon and the Arena" was expected to be, isn't it?


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Lee on October 05, 2021, 14:51:37
The planning application for North Filton (for yes, that it what it sounds like it will be called) is now available on the South Glos planning portal:

Go to https://beta.southglos.gov.uk/search-planning-applications/ and search for P21/06296/F

The 'Design Note' document seems to give a reasonable overview.



I suppose getting them to go the whole hog and add the word "Platform" would be too much to ask...


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: grahame on October 05, 2021, 15:06:15
I suppose getting them to go the whole hog and add the word "Platform" would be too much to ask...

Getting a bit wordy, Lee:

(http://www.wellho.net/demo/totemnew.php?main=North+Filton+Platform+for+Brabazon+and+the+Arena&region=0&font=britrln_.ttf&above=&below=)

or once the Bristol Subway is open:

(http://www.wellho.net/demo/totemnew.php?main=North+Filton+Platform+for+Brabazon+and+the+Arena&region=28&font=britrln_.ttf&above=&below=)


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Lee on October 05, 2021, 15:26:20
I suppose getting them to go the whole hog and add the word "Platform" would be too much to ask...

Getting a bit wordy, Lee:

(http://www.wellho.net/demo/totemnew.php?main=North+Filton+Platform+for+Brabazon+and+the+Arena&region=0&font=britrln_.ttf&above=&below=)

or once the Bristol Subway is open:

(http://www.wellho.net/demo/totemnew.php?main=North+Filton+Platform+for+Brabazon+and+the+Arena&region=28&font=britrln_.ttf&above=&below=)

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 05, 2021, 16:48:59
Has Henbury been forgotten about?

No.


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: TonyK on October 06, 2021, 13:26:55

No.

Good.


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2021, 13:30:58
Has Henbury been forgotten about?

Pretty much has been by me since I no longer live nearby!


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 10, 2022, 12:42:37
Quote
Bristol Arena: YTL confirms work has started and 2024 opening is 'on track'

Developer YTL says there are "numerous work-streams currently in flow" including at Filton Airfield

Work has started on YTL Arena Bristol and it remains on track to open in 2024, it’s been confirmed.

Developer YTL says there are "numerous work-streams currently in flow" to support the Arena, including construction at Filton Airfield.

It comes after the Arena's Chief Executive said last year that work would start in 2022, following a delay caused by coronavirus.

A spokesperson for YTL told Bristol Live: “There are numerous work-streams currently in flow for a major project of this scale, including several infrastructure packages of works on Filton Airfield that will support the Arena.”

According to traffic site One Network, work started on Monday (February 7) at the Airfield, now Brabazon Hangars, and is ongoing until November 11.

[...]

It will be connected to Bristol city centre via a new train station as well as buses, and a dedicated Metrobus route linking the city centre to Cribbs Causeway.

Last month it was confirmed that YTL will pay for shuttle buses to get people to the Arena.

Read full article (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife/bristol-arena-ytl-confirms-work-6629393)
Source: Bristol Post


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Noggin on February 13, 2022, 09:36:13
Now wouldn't it be a good idea to build it with 12-car platforms and OHLE down to Temple Meads so an intensive EMU-shuttle service with 387's can be run for events ;-)


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: TonyK on February 14, 2022, 09:10:29
Now wouldn't it be a good idea to build it with 12-car platforms and OHLE down to Temple Meads so an intensive EMU-shuttle service with 387's can be run for events ;-)

Nearly as good an idea as building the arena next to Temple Meads would have been.


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: DaveHarries on February 14, 2022, 21:29:07
Now wouldn't it be a good idea to build it with 12-car platforms and OHLE down to Temple Meads so an intensive EMU-shuttle service with 387's can be run for events ;-)
Yes it would: you could then also split the Portsmouth - Cardiff services into two with 387s doing the Bristol to Cardiff part.

Dave


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 14, 2022, 22:17:56

Nearly as good an idea as building the arena next to Temple Meads would have been.

Shouldn't that read "arenal"?  ;)


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: Red Squirrel on February 15, 2022, 08:37:18

Nearly as good an idea as building the arena next to Temple Meads would have been.

Shouldn't that read "arenal"?  ;)

Where does it end though? Properly translated, we would have:

“Nurly as good an ideal as builden the gurt arenal next to Tempa Meaze wood of bin”


Title: Re: North Filton station
Post by: TonyK on February 15, 2022, 17:18:36

Shouldn't that read "arenal"?  ;)

It should, but I resisted. Not all readers here are from the Brissle areal.


Title: Re: Brabazon station
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 23, 2022, 20:50:22
I just attended a YTL presentation about the Brabazon area. Couple of interesting points:

1. Brabazon station could open ahead of Henbury if Henbury is delayed. YTL want Brabazon open in 2023.
2. They very much want the station to be called Brabazon, not North Filton.
3. They want trains to BPW ('across the diamond') by the 2030's.
4. They want to add 1000's of houses to their consented scheme without putting additional cars on the road. They see the only way to do that is with better public transport.



Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 29, 2022, 19:39:14
I've expanded on this in a new post on the FoSBR website:

https://fosbr.org.uk/brabazon-development/


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: johnneyw on October 21, 2022, 23:50:04
There's predictions of traffic gridlock reported on Bristol Live if the railway station doesn't open until a year after the YTL venue opens....as seems likely now.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-arena-transport-delays-could-7732864?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Mayor Marv does seem to be blaming current political and economic uncertainty on delays that have been much longer in the making.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on October 22, 2022, 15:42:53
There's predictions of traffic gridlock reported on Bristol Live if the railway station doesn't open until a year after the YTL venue opens....as seems likely now.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristol-arena-transport-delays-could-7732864?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Mayor Marv does seem to be blaming current political and economic uncertainty on delays that have been much longer in the making.

Portway Parkway was nearly finished in just over 12 years, so this shouldn't be too much longer. I see an hourly service is proposed, which might just take a tenth of the happy people back to the big station next to the original site, and the 75 bus runs until nearly 7.30 pm.

More work needs doing on transport than just hurrying up the station.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: ChrisB on January 16, 2023, 19:26:12
Bristol Arena will not open until 2026, says developer

 From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-64292524)

Quote
A long-awaited city concert arena will not open until late 2025 or early 2026.

The Bristol arena, originally planned to open in 2024, will potentially now not hold its first event until two years later than hoped.

CEO of developer YTL, Andrew Billingham, said Covid and "challenges" in the construction industry are behind the delay.

When completed, the arena - part of the Brabazon development - will have a capacity of 19,000.

The three Brabazon Hangars on Filton Airfield, once home to Concorde, are being developed into the arena, with conference space, after YTL bought the site in 2015.

In a statement released on Monday, Mr Billingham said "good progress" was being made on the arena, and YTL was entering "the final stages" of the design process.

The potential capacity for the arena has been increased from 17,000 to 19,000

But he added: "Given delays resulting from the impact of Covid and the general challenges in the construction market, our estimated opening is now late 2025 to early 2026.

"YTL is totally committed to opening Bristol's first major indoor music arena and entertainment complex.

"Work has begun on key pieces of infrastructure required including new road connections, establishing new power supplies and site preparation works."

In October it was announced that a new train station for the arena also faced delays and will not be ready for passengers until 2026.

"The train station at Brabazon is an important element and discussions continue on how this might be brought forward," added Mr Billingham.

YTL was given planning permission in October to build Brabazon Park, a huge new urban park which will sit alongside the arena.

The company has also announced it will be working with Bristol-based interior designers Studio B on the look of the building.

A spokesperson for Bristol City Council said: "We recognise how the impacts of Covid and the difficulties in the construction market have impacted on everybody and so it's no surprise that YTL have also been affected by a delay.

"We remain delighted and excited that Bristol will have a world class arena that will bring all major acts and sporting events to the city and are grateful for YTL for taking on all the risk and costs that come with the project."


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 16, 2023, 20:16:56
Good job Bristol didn't get the Eurovision Song Contest gig!


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on January 16, 2023, 20:53:31
Good job Bristol didn't get the Eurovision Song Contest gig!

If Eurovision is still going in 2040, Bristol could be ready to make a bid.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: grahame on January 17, 2023, 06:29:28
Good job Bristol didn't get the Eurovision Song Contest gig!

If Eurovision is still going in 2040, Bristol could be ready to make a bid.

That assumes we win in 2039.    The "Coffee Shop Moderator Singers" have noted this and will be at practice from later this year to ensure that the UK does so ... with their song "When will trains return to Portishead"


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on January 17, 2023, 17:54:57

That assumes we win in 2039.    The "Coffee Shop Moderator Singers" have noted this and will be at practice from later this year to ensure that the UK does so ... with their song "When will trains return to Portishead"

With the B-side "Is Portway Parkway Open Yet?", they could have a hit in more decades than Sir Cliff Richard.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Noggin on January 17, 2023, 19:15:45
Now, if you wanted to get all conspiratorial you might wonder if it's any coincidence that Marv's stint as Mayor ends in May 2024? For that matter, the next UK General Election has to be held no later than Jan 2025.

So get Marv safely out of the way, see which way the political wind is blowing, get the arena soft-launched in 2025 with bookings for the big stuff in 2026.



Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on January 17, 2023, 19:46:17
Now, if you wanted to get all conspiratorial you might wonder if it's any coincidence that Marv's stint as Mayor ends in May 2024? For that matter, the next UK General Election has to be held no later than Jan 2025.

So get Marv safely out of the way, see which way the political wind is blowing, get the arena soft-launched in 2025 with bookings for the big stuff in 2026.


Not completely impossible is get Marvin out of the way, and install a council with a mandate to build an arena on the original spot. It has planning permission.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 18, 2023, 09:40:21
Now, if you wanted to get all conspiratorial you might wonder if it's any coincidence that Marv's stint as Mayor ends in May 2024? For that matter, the next UK General Election has to be held no later than Jan 2025.

So get Marv safely out of the way, see which way the political wind is blowing, get the arena soft-launched in 2025 with bookings for the big stuff in 2026.


Not completely impossible is get Marvin out of the way, and install a council with a mandate to build an arena on the original spot. It has planning permission.

I’m not sure that the fate of the YTL Arena has much connection with the fate of the outgoing Bristol Mayor.

As to the original Arena site: it is vanishingly unlikely that anyone would advocate reopening that can of worms.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 19, 2023, 00:27:08
I think the "causal arrow" between the YTL Arena and Marvin Rees is more likely to run the other way.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: johnneyw on March 02, 2024, 14:12:34
Planning permission has been granted for an expanded Filton Keynes..... sorry, Brabazon District.  YTL seem to have persuaded the planning authorities to more densely develop the former airfield with talk of staged developments building transport infrastructure alongside.  The article is thin on detail of what this transport infrastructure will actually be and while the long planned station is mentioned, there is nothing to indicate any increased urgency in it's provision.
Article link below.

https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2024/03/01/plans-expand-for-new-city-district-at-bristol-airfield/


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on March 03, 2024, 21:52:55
Within that article, we find this from South Gloucestershire DC's cabinet member for planning:

Quote
“We have been working positively with YTL Developments and National Highways to ensure the right infrastructure will be in place."

Not Network Rail, then.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 19, 2024, 14:48:59
Quote
Preparation Works Begin to Transform Brabazon Hangars into South West's First Arena

(https://www.ytlarenabristol.co.uk/media/obkh5fgt/jmp-ytl-bristol_ac_024.jpg)

Site preparation and enabling work has begun on the transformative project that will breathe new life into the iconic Brabazon Hangars in Bristol. This historic site, once a vital part of Britain's aviation past, is set to be reborn as a leading live entertainment and cultural hub for the South West.

The initial phase of the project began with decontamination of the site carried out by Omega Environmental Services. This will be followed by demolition of non-essential structures before starting the main construction programme.

YTL Construction UK, a new company that will be part of the international YTL Group, will be responsible for transforming the historic Brabazon Hangars into the premier music venue for Bristol and the South West, and the fourth largest indoor Arena in the UK. With over 60 years of experience delivering complex and innovative projects across diverse sectors, including rail, infrastructure, performing arts centres, and iconic high-rise developments, the new company will be building on the success of the group model based in Malaysia.

"We're pleased with the progress and are pushing forward, albeit slower than originally planned." says Andrew Billingham, CEO of YTL Arena Bristol. "Handing over the Hangars to Omega represents a pivotal milestone. We have tackled challenges head-on making crucial decisions to expedite the opening while ensuring we deliver one of the premier arenas in Europe. Once main construction has started, we estimate it being a two-and-a-half-year build programme."

...contiunes at source (https://www.ytlarenabristol.co.uk/news/preparation-works-begin-to-transform-brabazon-hangars-into-south-wests-first-arena)

Source: YTL


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: johnneyw on March 19, 2024, 16:47:18
Two and a half years build/conversion time after all the preparation work is completed with the main structure of the hanger already in situ?  It strikes me as being a rather low priority project for them.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 19, 2024, 16:58:49
To be fair, there’s an awful lot of work to do…

…but some cynics have suggested that the ‘enabling’ work is just a fairly cheap way to give the impression that something is happening when in reality not much is.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: johnneyw on March 19, 2024, 20:01:24
YTL quite possibly don't want the arena to open before the railway station is up and running so the timescale of the former may just reflect the timescale of the latter..


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Noggin on March 20, 2024, 08:51:20
Isn't there quite a lot of asbestos and contamination to get rid of first?


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 20, 2024, 09:43:32
Yes there is. But the cost of doing this is a rounding error compared to YTL’s overall investment.


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: Western Pathfinder on March 22, 2024, 08:48:02
Hope there's someone on site that understands the door opening protocol,as I recall the main doors are temperature dependant and must only be opened below a set wind speed


Title: Re: Brabazon, Bristol
Post by: TonyK on March 22, 2024, 17:08:02
Hope there's someone on site that understands the door opening protocol,as I recall the main doors are temperature dependant and must only be opened below a set wind speed

I know what you mean. I wasn't allowed to fly from there with a crosswind component above 17 knots.



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