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Title: December Timetables
Post by: Timmer on September 19, 2021, 07:43:26
If you want to view the forthcoming December timetable in tabular format, I can highly recommend the excellent Railway Data website which now has these available.

http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/Dec21/

Produced using data from Network Rail, the timetables are regularly updated between now and December.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: grahame on September 19, 2021, 08:42:38
If you want to view the forthcoming December timetable in tabular format, I can highly recommend the excellent Railway Data website which now has these available.

http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/Dec21/

Produced using data from Network Rail, the timetables are regularly updated between now and December.


Wow - those are good.  A heartstopper just for a moment though as it looked like TransWilts was turning round at Chippenham - until I noticed that the Swindon line in the table is for onward departure.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/279r_01.jpg)


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: dannywith on September 19, 2021, 21:05:31
Thanks for the kind words, Timmer. And thanks for the heads up, Grahame. As you rightly pointed out, Swindon should show arrival times and not departure times. I've updated the table and (fingers crossed) all should display correctly.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: grahame on September 19, 2021, 21:48:28
Thanks for the kind words, Timmer. And thanks for the heads up, Grahame. As you rightly pointed out, Swindon should show arrival times and not departure times. I've updated the table and (fingers crossed) all should display correctly.

Looks good, Danny, and welcome to the forum.  I am a notorious pedant - if any member notices anything else like this, should we "private message" you now that you're here?

From ((here)) (http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/Dec21/timetable.php?table=279%20-%20Swindon%20-%20Chippenham%20-%20Melksham%20-%20Trowbridge%20-%20Westbury) ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/279r_02.jpg)


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Timmer on September 19, 2021, 22:18:09
Thanks for the kind words, Timmer. And thanks for the heads up, Grahame. As you rightly pointed out, Swindon should show arrival times and not departure times. I've updated the table and (fingers crossed) all should display correctly.
My pleasure Danny and welcome to the forum from me too.

I discovered your website a couple of years back and being a bit of a timetable geek, really appreciate the work you’ve put into it. As well as the National Rail timetables, I really like the London Underground timetables too.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on September 20, 2021, 11:49:26
From what I have seen:
- The local stoppers that currently run between Weston-super-Mare and Filton Abbeywood will now run between Weston-super-Mare and Avonmouth / Severn Beach on Mondays to Saturdays meaning that the Severn Beach route will have a service of 2tph each way for much of the day. I am looking forward to this: although I will have to get an earlier train to work from SML (0754 instead of 0805) I stand a better chance of getting in on time. The Sunday service is also improved: the first train from Bristol TM looks set to be 0854, the last one from Severn Beach at 1935 and from Avonmouth at 2128.

- The Melksham line not looking too bad. RTT for December 13th shows a total of 17 departures for Mondays to Saturdays (different times on Saturdays) and a total of 14 departures on Sundays. I think some of the gaps between trains are a bit long though.

- More local stoppers between Penzance and Bristol Temple Meads, in some cases by extension of services to / from other locations. For example, on Mondays to Fridays, the 1550 Penzance - Exeter St. Davids extends to Gloucester. The total number of trains between Cardiff Central and Penzance is increased from 7 to 13 on Mondays to Fridays and from 4 to 13 on Saturdays. There will also now be 8 in total on Sundays. This will be useful for when I get sent to the southwest as part of my working day: less hanging around in Plymouth waiting for the next northbound XC service.

- Commencement of services Exeter Central - Okehampton. One every two hours for this year with the prospect of hourly services next year.
Mondays to Fridays: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2021-12-17 (same times for Saturdays)
Sundays: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:OKE/2021-12-19/0000-2359

- Services between Paignton, Exeter St. Davids and Exmouth remains at 2tph Mondays to Fridays, although the 2112 Paignton to Exeter SD is replaced by a 2110 Paignton - Bristol Temple Meads. Also on those days train 2F32 (2040 Exeter SD - Exmouth) starts back from Paignton at 1947 in place of the 1950 Paignton - Exeter SD.

Things are looking good. I know this may well prove to be subject to change but I very much hope it comes off.

Dave


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: didcotdean on September 20, 2021, 12:35:56
The Didcot-Paddington locals are back up to 2 an hour off-peak in this timetable.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: grahame on September 20, 2021, 13:30:33
From what I have seen:

- The Melksham line not looking too bad. RTT for December 13th shows a total of 17 departures for Mondays to Saturdays (different times on Saturdays) and a total of 14 departures on Sundays. I think some of the gaps between trains are a bit long though.

No losses on the timetable - thank goodness, because it's thin already - "some of the gaps ...".  Far more important is to be able to reliably run the timetable.

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Things are looking good. I know this may well prove to be subject to change but I very much hope it comes off.

What you have quoted indeed looks good. Not so brilliant here in Wiltshire, where services are lost at at Bradford-on-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Dilton Marsh, Warminster and Salisbury.   I don't think there are any changes at Avoncliff, Melksham, Pewsey or Tisbury.  I heard of an extra late train from Bristol to Chippenham and Swindon on Friday evenings and perhaps Saturdays.  Been sought for years, but can't see it on any of the timetables yet, though.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on September 20, 2021, 14:43:05
I don't think there are any changes at Avoncliff, Melksham, Pewsey or Tisbury.  I heard of an extra late train from Bristol to Chippenham and Swindon on Friday evenings and perhaps Saturdays.  Been sought for years, but can't see it on any of the timetables yet, though.
I think there might be one or two changes at Tisbury with formations but nothing otherwise.

A look at SWR's schedule for Yeovil Pen Mill on Mondays to Fridays gives a slight increase in the total number of SWR workings from 18 to 19 on Mondays to Fridays, from 0 to 1 on Saturdays and from 1 to 3 on Sundays. However whereas some of these trains arriving at Yeovil Pen Mill from Westbury currently return to Salisbury via. Yeovil Junction (and vice-versa) the new TT provides for some to return back the way they came.

Mondays to Fridays: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:YVP/2021-12-14/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=SW

This means that although 1O86 (2225 from Bristol Temple Meads (2307 from Westbury) to Salisbury) appears to be lost on the new timetable there is, partly in lieu, train 1O58 (2152 from Yeovil Junction to Salisbury, via. Westbury (2312)) instead. I admit to being a bit surprised at the loss of those SWR workings from Bristol: I used to see quite a few people on them when using them myself. Perhaps those people were only going as far as Salisbury although I did one morning use one to get to Andover on a work errand.

Dave


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 21, 2021, 12:23:47
It looks like the majority of GWR services that were removed following the pandemic are returning according to RTT.

Back to 2tph between Cardiff and London.
Back to 1tph between Cheltenham and Paddington.
Back to through services 1tph between Bedwyn and Paddington.
Back up to 2tph Didcot to Paddington stoppers (as mentioned). 
Back up to 3tph Slough to Windsor.

Perhaps that will change once official details are published though, as many more IETs will be needed?  And of course the cloud of Covid-19 still hangs in the air, especially over winter.

However availability has been good the last couple of weeks with the correct number of sets and carriages being provided by Hitachi AIUI on several days when there have been few, if any, IET worked cancellations.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Zoe on September 22, 2021, 15:04:01
One change I note is that the the first direct service of the day from stations on the Berks & Hants to Plymouth 1C85 (1436 from Paddington) will run to Paignton instead (arriving at 1744).  It will then form 1A98 departing from Paignton at 1902 (instead of the 1857 from Plymouth) and calling at Torquay, Torre, Newton Abbot, Teignmouth, Dawlish and Dawlish Warren where it is overtaken by 2U32 Penzance to Cardiff Central (not sure I've ever seen an intercity service to London getting overtaken by a regional service at Dawlish Warren before).  After reaching Exeter it then runs as previously to Paddington.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on September 27, 2021, 22:31:13
Another change I have come across.

Train 1C25 (0658 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads, Mondays to Fridays), operated by CrossCountry, will be replaced by a GWR service, numbered 2C50, which will run to the same schedule but using a Stoke Gifford-based Class 800.

Dave




Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: dannywith on September 28, 2021, 08:36:07
Looks good, Danny, and welcome to the forum.  I am a notorious pedant - if any member notices anything else like this, should we "private message" you now that you're here?
From ((here)) (http://www.railwaydata.co.uk/timetables/Dec21/timetable.php?table=279%20-%20Swindon%20-%20Chippenham%20-%20Melksham%20-%20Trowbridge%20-%20Westbury) ...
Whatever's best for you, Grahame. Private message or one of the ways listed on the website, feedback is always welcome.

I discovered your website a couple of years back and being a bit of a timetable geek, really appreciate the work you’ve put into it. As well as the National Rail timetables, I really like the London Underground timetables too.
Thanks again for your kind comments. If you ever want a custom timetable compiling, let me know.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: jamestheredengine on October 04, 2021, 15:18:03
1L38, the last eastbound from Swansea on weekdays at an already miserably early 2122, seems to have disappeared. Not good.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on October 05, 2021, 21:30:45
1L38, the last eastbound from Swansea on weekdays at an already miserably early 2122, seems to have disappeared. Not good.
Saw that at Cardiff Central last night before I boarded 2C96: there were not many people on it.

Dave


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: CyclingSid on October 06, 2021, 07:08:05
If I am reading it correctly, the Saturday Reading to Basingstoke service is still one an hour. Unfortunately the "wrong" half and a 50 minute wait at Basingstoke for the service(s) I use does not add to the attractions of a trip. So no improvement there.

The reversion to three tph Slough to Windsor will be an encouragement for cycling to and round Windsor area.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on October 30, 2021, 23:29:17
Another one I have just come across this evening.

2C93 (2100 Cardiff Central - Exeter St. Davids, due 2329), which leaves Bristol Temple Meads at 2153, is split into two separate workings starting 13th December which will be:

2C93 (2100 Cardiff Central - Bristol Temple Meads, due 2150)
2C99 (2200 Bristol Temple Meads  - Exeter St. Davids, due 2350)

Interesting that 2C99 is scheduled to take 21 minutes longer for the Bristol Temple Meads to Exeter St. Davids trip when you consider that it will leave Bristol Temple Meads only 7 minutes later than 2C93 does at present. From what I can tell there will be an ECS from Warminster which is scheduled to arrive in Platform 8 at Bristol Temple Meads at 2051 and then form 2C99.

Dave


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: BBM on October 31, 2021, 12:47:24
It looks like the peak hour semi fasts from PAD to MAI are being transferred from GWR to TfL. An example is 1N44 from PAD at 1727 which will become 9N51 with additional stops at EAL and WDT:

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G91995/2021-12-13/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G91995/2021-12-13/detailed)


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: didcotdean on October 31, 2021, 16:37:12
Also

1826 London Paddington to Reading (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G92074/2021-12-15/detailed)

1856 London Paddington to Reading (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G92078/2021-12-15/detailed)

Couple in the morning from Reading too at 07:30 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G92766/2021-12-15/detailed) and 08:00 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G92767/2021-12-15/detailed)



Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 31, 2021, 16:42:40
Makes sense.  Will these develop into trains through the Crossrail tunnels when yhe eventually open?  Or is it a temporary move as TfL have loads of spare trains and crew?


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: stuving on October 31, 2021, 18:50:20
Makes sense.  Will these develop into trains through the Crossrail tunnels when yhe eventually open?  Or is it a temporary move as TfL have loads of spare trains and crew?

The plans for the final service we were looking at in 2018  (https://www.londonreconnections.com/2018/crossrail-timetable-for-success/)(when they were meant to have happened long before now, of course) did include two of these so-called "semi-fast" trains per hour in the peaks.  So there is no reason to think they will vanish.

I've never though they were more than quarter-fast - 50 minutes PAD<>RDG, and always on the Relief Lines. But one thing the new trains do is give a slightly quicker option for off-peak ticket holders out of London in the evenings.

What never was clear is whether the number of GWR's proper semi-fasts would be reduced. I don't think we know that even now.



Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on November 11, 2021, 22:51:26
GWR timetables effective 12th December 2021 are now available for download.
https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/train-times

Dave


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 12, 2021, 07:14:00
Confirmation that many of the services are returning from December.  One question…where are the trains and crew for them?


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: DaveHarries on December 01, 2021, 22:10:56
Another change to add to the list. An extra service is introduced from Bristol Temple Meads to Swindon - dep. 2330, arr. 0024 - on Saturday evenings. Looks likely to be run using an IET with the Chippenham call being to set down only.

Dave


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Timmer on December 02, 2021, 08:57:59
The winter edition of the National Rail Timetable is now available with a new look:
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/the-timetable/electronic-national-rail-timetable/


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 02, 2021, 10:20:18
For the Thames Valley local services the new NRT separate Tables 122 and 123 are a great improvement on the old Table 116, and Table 123 seems to cover all of GWR’s T8 and T10, which duplicate each other to a large extent could perhaps be combined next time.

The new NRT typeface and layout is also much better and easier to read.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Ralph Ayres on December 02, 2021, 10:32:03
Those new table numbers will take some getting used to, having been familiar with many of the old ones for 40+ years.  The individual timetable pdf files are quite usefully named though.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 02, 2021, 10:54:25
Yes, overall an improvement - better clarity (and if you believe Barry Doe) more accurate.

I still wonder where all the trains and crew are going to come from with GWR (and quite a few other operators, XC being one of the obvious exceptions) largely reinstating all of their services that were running pre-COVID.  Especially in the run up to Christmas, when staff availability is always tested and we still have a very prevalent virus on our hands.

Don't be surprised if there's lots of cancellations.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: grahame on December 02, 2021, 13:10:26
The winter edition of the National Rail Timetable is now available with a new look:
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/the-timetable/electronic-national-rail-timetable/

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the various updates.   Lovely to see changes and improvements ... which means I have a degree of w-o-r-k to build it and the links into the various data feeds from this site.   I also have the rail stats to build it - now back home, and recovered from the Spanish Flu Portugese Cold I brought back with me ... catching up on meetings and events put back until I was home and so perhaps next week or two.   Will also relocate Okehampton from somewhere off the Sillies to Devon on the train running map, as I'm sure there will be the very occasional late changes there!


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: bradshaw on December 02, 2021, 13:12:36
Is there any significance to the West Of England service being in Western rather than Wessex?


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Lee on December 02, 2021, 18:48:15
Is there any significance to the West Of England service being in Western rather than Wessex?

Yes.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: paul7575 on December 02, 2021, 19:04:21
Is there any significance to the West Of England service being in Western rather than Wessex?

Yes.

Probably about as significant as “Reading - Redhill - Gatwick” being in Wessex. 

Mistake or conspiracy?  ???


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: GBM on February 14, 2023, 08:48:25
The winter edition of the National Rail Timetable is now available with a new look:
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/the-timetable/electronic-national-rail-timetable/

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the various updates.   Lovely to see changes and improvements ... which means I have a degree of w-o-r-k to build it and the links into the various data feeds from this site.   I also have the rail stats to build it - now back home, and recovered from the Spanish Flu Portugese Cold I brought back with me ... catching up on meetings and events put back until I was home and so perhaps next week or two.   Will also relocate Okehampton from somewhere off the Sillies to Devon on the train running map, as I'm sure there will be the very occasional late changes there!

This Isle of Scilly have another rail service today.
I'm sure they'd love a more regular daily service - perhaps a Parliamentary one  ;D


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: PhilWakely on February 14, 2023, 09:00:21

This Isle of Scilly have another rail service today.
I'm sure they'd love a more regular daily service - perhaps a Parliamentary one  ;D

Worcestershire Parkway High Level ?


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: grahame on February 14, 2023, 09:07:14

This Isle of Scilly have another rail service today.
I'm sure they'd love a more regular daily service - perhaps a Parliamentary one  ;D

Worcestershire Parkway High Level ?

Yeah, yeah ... I know.  ...


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: grahame on February 14, 2023, 09:54:15

This Isle of Scilly have another rail service today.
I'm sure they'd love a more regular daily service - perhaps a Parliamentary one  ;D

Worcestershire Parkway High Level ?

Yeah, yeah ... I know.  ...

Fixed, I think.


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: GBM on February 14, 2023, 11:21:34

This Isle of Scilly have another rail service today.
I'm sure they'd love a more regular daily service - perhaps a Parliamentary one  ;D

Worcestershire Parkway High Level ?

Yeah, yeah ... I know.  ...

Fixed, I think.
Another lost service (and no bus replacement)  ::)


Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Mark A on February 14, 2023, 13:16:27
Made me think, Scilly being known for the drowned landscapes between the islands, and then, elsewhere, tidal roads and the like, of which the west country has a few.

I was thinking that there can't be locations on the UK passenger rail network similarly afflicted, and then reminded myself of the last bit of the Looe branch and also, er, Dovey Junction... but perhaps those two are dependent on a bit of fresh from the river as well as a spring tide to back the water up.

Which in turn put me in mind of the following image captured from the web cam of a guest house that overlooks the railway north of Barmouth. In this case the culprit was a storm surge coupled with a push from the local weather: it was not a good day for people on  that coast.

Mark

(https://i.postimg.cc/7P22Gm9H/barmouth-flood.jpg)



Title: Re: December Timetables
Post by: Mark A on February 22, 2023, 10:28:29
Hmm, the Severn Beach line, closed this morning and added to my list of passenger lines subject to tidal flooding. Now wondering where the vulnerability is...

Mark



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