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Title: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: grahame on November 01, 2021, 06:10:37
early notes ... significant is
* Buses from Westbury to Salisbury too
* Closure expected for an "extended period"

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Cancellations to services between Westbury and Southampton Central

Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between Westbury and Southampton Central all lines are blocked.

Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 02/11/21.

Customer Advice

Owing to an incident in the Salisbury area the lines through Salisbury (Westbury - Salisbury - Southampton Central) are likely to be closed for an extended period.

## Road transport has been confirmed between Westbury to Salisbury & Salisbury to Southampton Central##

Customers intending to travel over this (or any portion of the route) are advised that journey times will be considerably extended. In the short term, in any event until robust arrangements are in place for alternative transport, customers are requested to consider deferring their journey or utilising other routes. Currently we are unable to guarantee that it would be possible to complete any given journey attempted along the affected corridor.

Ticket Acceptance via alternative routes from start of service Monday 1st November -

Southern Railway is accepting GWR tickets between Brighton and Southampton Central and also between Brighton and London Victoria.

South Western Railway is accepting GWR tickets between Romsey and Portsmouth Harbour.

London Underground is accepting GWR tickets between London Paddington, London Waterloo and London Victoria.

Further Information

An update will follow within the next 2 hours.

If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay

Last Updated:01/11/2021 05:21


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: grahame on November 01, 2021, 06:16:45
It would appear that at least some trains ARE running south of Westbury

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08:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 11:46

08:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 11:46 will be started from Salisbury.
It will no longer call at Portsmouth Harbour, Portsmouth & Southsea, Fratton, Cosham, Fareham, Southampton Central and Romsey.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: grahame on November 01, 2021, 06:26:34
Although road transport is Southampton to Salisbury, GWR are running as far as Romsey

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08:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Romsey due 09:22

An additional train service has been planned to operate as shown 08:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Romsey due 09:22.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: CyclingSid on November 01, 2021, 07:26:43
Today's silly idea.

Would it be possible to run services from Basingstoke to Southampton via Laverstoke Junction. Buses Westbury to Andover and Westbury to Romsey would be less of a drag for passengers?


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: JayMac on November 01, 2021, 07:32:11
Today's silly idea.

Would it be possible to run services from Basingstoke to Southampton via Laverstoke Junction. Buses Westbury to Andover and Westbury to Romsey would be less of a drag for passengers?

There's reports that signalling infrastructure was damaged during last night's incident. That's likely to have affected Laverstock North to Laverstock South Junctions too.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: PhilWakely on November 01, 2021, 08:19:30
Today's silly idea.

Would it be possible to run services from Basingstoke to Southampton via Laverstoke Junction. Buses Westbury to Andover and Westbury to Romsey would be less of a drag for passengers?

There's reports that signalling infrastructure was damaged during last night's incident. That's likely to have affected Laverstock North to Laverstock South Junctions too.

SWR has culled the service west of Salisbury as well, which does suggest that signalling infrastructure has been significantly affected.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: ChrisB on November 01, 2021, 13:39:38
Gillingham - EXD inly on SWR west of Salisbury.

NR journeycheck said lines closed until Thursday night at least


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 01, 2021, 14:44:20
Do we have any idea how long the disruption is likely to last? Purely selfish question as I have to go to Bournemouth on Saturday, and not intended to imply my inability to travel is more important than any other results of the crash.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: JayMac on November 01, 2021, 15:14:37
Do we have any idea how long the disruption is likely to last? Purely selfish question as I have to go to Bournemouth on Saturday, and not intended to imply my inability to travel is more important than any other results of the crash.

It's still a fluid situation. The RAIB and BTP have to finish their investigations, which won't be rushed. Then they'll hand the line back to Network Rail. With a tunnel involved it won't be a straightforward recovery of the damaged rolling stock. Then there are the repairs to the permanent way and signalling to carry out, followed by testing.

Friday is the cautious prediction but I think Network Rail will be going some to have the line reopened by Saturday.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: bobm on November 01, 2021, 18:59:16
GWR Journeycheck now saying disruption until the end of Monday the 8th.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: JayMac on November 03, 2021, 12:52:17
Things appear to be running smoothly for both GWR and SWR services at Salisbury. Plenty of staff around to assist with information for the truncated rail services and the rail replacement coaches.

I've just travelled Southampton - Basingstoke - Andover - (coach) - Salisbury. No problems. Now on my last train, Salisbury - Templecombe.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: Timmer on November 03, 2021, 17:33:49
Paul Clifton (BBC South Today Transport Correspondent) reporting on Twitter that Network Rail are saying removing the trains will take at least another four days with the line not opening before the 15th of November.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: Oxonhutch on November 03, 2021, 18:38:36
I suspect, also, they have now discovered the true extent of the damage to the underlying permanent way including the switches and crossings of Tunnel Junction, and associated signalling.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: stuving on November 03, 2021, 23:43:12
Paul Clifton (BBC South Today Transport Correspondent) reporting on Twitter that Network Rail are saying removing the trains will take at least another four days with the line not opening before the 15th of November.

The one train still on its wheels, the front half of 1F30, was seen on tonight's BBC news going through (I think) Salisbury station. I didn't register whether it was being dragged or moving itself, but I imagine the former just because that's how things are done.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: Timmer on November 04, 2021, 09:34:32
The one train still on its wheels, the front half of 1F30, was seen on tonight's BBC news going through (I think) Salisbury station. I didn't register whether it was being dragged or moving itself, but I imagine the former just because that's how things are done.
Yes, I saw that on South Today yesterday evening and it looked like it was under it's own steam. I guess it would have been thoroughly inspected after being detached to see if it was fit to return back to St Philip's Marsh by itself.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: grahame on November 04, 2021, 15:13:50
Updated advice - as shown on Journeycheck at present:

Alterations to services between Westbury and Southampton Central

Due to the emergency services dealing with an incident between Salisbury and Romsey all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 23:59 14/11.

Train services between Westbury and Southampton Central have been suspended between Salisbury and Romsey.

Additional Information

We have replacement road transport in place running between Salisbury and Romsey. Coaches are departing Salisbury for Romsey at 40 minutes past the hour and departing Romsey for Salisbury at 40 minutes past the hour. The journey time by road between Salisbury and Romsey is approximately 45-50 minutes.
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Customers travelling from South Wales, Bristol or Bath towards the South Coast may use their ticket on services to Reading and change there for CrossCountry services to Southampton Central. Customers for Fareham and Portsmouth stations should change at Basingstoke for South Western Railway services to these destinations.
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Customers travelling from Portsmouth stations and Fareham to Bath, Bristol or South Wales may travel on South Western Railway services to Basingstoke and change there for Great Western Railway or CrossCountry services to Reading. From Reading there are frequent Great Western Railway services towards Bath, Bristol and South Wales.
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Customers travelling from Southampton Central to Bath, Bristol or South Wales may travel on CrossCountry services to Reading. Customers may also travel on South Western Railway services to Basingstoke and change there for Great Western Railway services to Reading. From Reading there are frequent Great Western Railway services towards Bath, Bristol and South Wales.
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Southern Railway are accepting Great Western Railway tickets between Southampton Central and Brighton.
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Customers travelling from Brighton to Bath or Bristol may travel with Southern Railway to London Victoria and then use the Underground Circle line to reach London Paddington, from where there are Great Western Railway services to Bath and Bristol.
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Customers travelling to Brighton from Great Malvern, Worcester, Gloucester, Bristol or Bath may use Great Western Railway services to London Paddington, the Underground Circle line to reach London Victoria and then Southern Railway services to Brighton.

Further Information

An update will follow within the next 2 hours.

If you hold a valid single, return, or weekly ticket, you will be able to claim compensation for delays of 15 minutes or more. Please keep your ticket and visit GWR.com/DelayRepay

Last Updated:04/11/2021 14:53


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: ChrisB on November 04, 2021, 15:23:39
Still waiting for them to update the advice about tickets for the evening of the event when the 'do not travel' request went out initially saying that travel could be made the following day, then updated to November 6th, then....nothing. SWR have done the same

I'm guessing that all stations can now be reached, in some way.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: grahame on November 07, 2021, 06:20:42
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Cancelled
10:48 Romsey to Portsmouth Harbour
11:08 Portsmouth Harbour to Romsey
12:08 Portsmouth Harbour to Romsey
12:50 Romsey to Portsmouth Harbour
13:48 Romsey to Portsmouth Harbour
14:08 Portsmouth Harbour to Romsey

Strikes me as not clever - two successive cancellations in what's presently an hourly service from Romsey into Southampton, but at normal times is 3 trains per hour.  I guess that SWR crew who would normally drive the suspended "Romsey 6" service aren't available to drive the GWR ones?

Edit to add - I note another post that there are SWR buses Salisbury - Romsey - Eastleigh running.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 11, 2021, 18:13:22
I'm planning to get the 0856 Bristol TM to Cardiff tomorrow morning. This service and only this service has a service update due to the accident but there's nothing specific. Are GWR services being cancelled still? The next train is at 0924, which will be too late, but I don't want to head for the 0835 unnecessarily. <Not a morning person!>


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 11, 2021, 18:24:44
Ran OK this morning by the looks of it.


Title: Re: Accident at Salisbury - GWR Alternative travel plans
Post by: Bmblbzzz on November 13, 2021, 13:37:16
It was slightly delayed by another incident but ran.



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