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Title: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 12, 2021, 12:04:22
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First GWR train services to run as part of MetroWest December timetable changes

The first in a series of improvements for the West of England will see rail services on the Severn Beach line increase to half-hourly as GWR begins to realise MetroWest ambitions in its December timetable change.

From Monday 13 December GWR will double services on the Severn Beach Line, from hourly to half-hourly, throughout the course of the day. These mark the first step in providing thousands of additional seats, alongside plans for new stations through the MetroWest initiative backed by the West of England Combined Authority.

West of England Metro Mayor Dan Norris, who plans to travel on one of the first trains, said:

“I’m delighted to be travelling on one of the first new services from Temple Meads to Severn Beach.

“This is the first important piece in the MetroWest jigsaw. The MetroWest initiative will reopen two lines and up to seven new stations by 2024. It’s going to give 80,000 more people access to train services.

“Having a good public transport network is crucial in helping our region thrive. Helping more people to get about more easily is another good sign that our region is on the up. People want and deserve a great railway in the West. All aboard!”

The next stages of the initiative are planned to include additional services between Bristol and Gloucester, and between Bristol and Westbury via Bath, in future timetable changes subject to approval from the West of England Combined Authority and the Department for Transport.

GWR Managing Director Mark Hopwood said:

“Good rail services are key to economic recovery and to decarbonisation.

“We believe that this new timetable, introducing the very first of our planned MetroWest enhancements, will provide our communities with the help and support they need as together we rebuild and renew for the future.”

The new services will deliver over 4,000 more seats for passengers every weekday. Additional services through Bristol form part of the wider Bristol Rail Regeneration programme, delivering new railway tracks and signalling to transform the railway serving the Bristol area.

Network Rail Project Director Jonathan Davies said:

“It is great to see just one of the many positive impacts of our £132m track upgrade work at Bristol East Junction in the summer, with the introduction of half-hourly services on the Severn Beach Line this December.

“The major upgrade of Bristol East Junction earlier this year was a key enabler for supporting the introduction of new suburban services in the future as part of the West of England Combined Authority’s (WECA) MetroWest scheme and providing over 4,000 additional seats on trains every day in the area.

“The doubling of services on the Severn Beach Line marks one of the first realisations of making Bristol Temple Meads a key transport hub in the West of England that will serve millions of passengers each year and support business right across the region.”

This December will also see the region’s train operator restore some train services reduced during the pandemic. Services between Cardiff and Paddington will be restored to half-hourly throughout the day; and Cheltenham to London Paddington restored to hourly direct services.

Better connecting Bristol and Cardiff, the timetable change will introduce all-electric Class 387 services between London Paddington and Cardiff for the first time, providing a low carbon, sustainable way to supplement capacity on the popular route. These will start with a limited service on Saturdays and Sundays, plus an early-morning service on weekdays, but will also mean GWR can in the future provide additional, up to 12 carriage, capacity for events at the Principality Stadium.

More services will also be extended from Cardiff through to Penzance, better connecting the South West with South Wales.

In line with the latest Government advice, GWR is encouraging customers to travel safely. People are reminded to:

Wear a face covering
Wash your hands more regularly
Buy tickets online, on a smart card or by using the GWR app

From January GWR branch lines in London and the Thames Valley will also have their frequency restored to pre-Covid levels: trains between Slough and Windsor will return to three trains an hour; the Greenford branch line will return to a half-hourly service, as will trains between Twyford and Henley. Local services between Didcot and Paddington are also to be restored to a full half-hourly service off peak.

Source: GWR (https://news.gwr.com/news/first-metrowest-train-services-to-run-as-part-of-december-timetable-changes)


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Mark A on December 12, 2021, 19:06:10
This article... I mean I'm sure passengers all know this development, yes?

https://blog.brfares.com/2021/04/29/bristol-payg-fares-reform/


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on December 12, 2021, 20:21:23
22 trains each way every weekday - that is quite a leap forward for Severn Beach! I like the near clockface timing, although it does seem to involve rather a long wait at Severn Beach between arrival and departure. Interesting to see Partway Porkway in the timetable, just in case it ever gets finished.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 12, 2021, 20:28:05
It’s only a few short years since Turbos were introduced on the line and there were serious performance concerns initially.  Staff familiarity of the Turbos seems to have sorted itself out after those early issues.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: infoman on December 13, 2021, 07:37:18
Pete Simpson BBC radio Bristol reporter is travelling on the 07:12am on Monday Morning and providing up dates en route.

Expecting to interview Dan Norris some where along the route.



Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on January 14, 2022, 17:03:56
I don't know if this is related in any way to Metrowest but I noticed these works in progress at Redland Station today.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 14, 2022, 17:45:41
There has been similar activity at Montpelier. We’re told that it’s for ticket vending machines.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on January 20, 2022, 16:59:22
Quick update on the work at Redland Station as shown on a post last week.  The groundwork seems to be done.  It just remains to install the above ground equipment which RS has helpfully (see above) identified as being for a ticket machine. Whether both the concrete bases will support ticket machines  seems doubtful to me given the size of the station but watch this space!



Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on January 20, 2022, 20:37:37
Quick update on the work at Redland Station as shown on a post last week.  The groundwork seems to be done.  It just remains to install the above ground equipment which RS has helpfully (see above) identified as being for a ticket machine. Whether both the concrete bases will support ticket machines  seems doubtful to me given the size of the station but watch this space!



It would make sense to have two, there are a lot of people using the station. Then it is handy to have a spare. I hope the TVMs are made from concrete too, given what happened to the one at Clifton Down.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 20, 2022, 22:57:27
I don't know what happened to the one at Clifton Down before my time, but most times I've tried to use it recently it doesn't work. Either it has nothing on which to print tickets, or it can't get a network connection.

Perhaps when there are a few more machines to service along the line, it will be more worthwhile sending out someone with a roll of blank tickets and some networking knowhow from time to time?


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on January 21, 2022, 15:47:30
I don't know what happened to the one at Clifton Down before my time, but most times I've tried to use it recently it doesn't work. Either it has nothing on which to print tickets, or it can't get a network connection.

Perhaps when there are a few more machines to service along the line, it will be more worthwhile sending out someone with a roll of blank tickets and some networking knowhow from time to time?

I understand it was vandalised early on. I can imagine someone looking at the cost of repair against the likely income, and deciding against fixing it. Anyone heading for Temple Meads at peak times is likely to have to queue up to pay anyway. Better than having someone with a roll of tickets would be to move into the digital age. If contactless cards could be used in such a way that that they are quickly and easily checkable on the train, the train crew will have more time to extract the £2.00 from anyone who still uses cash. And if more people end up paying the fare, more might opt for period tickets. I believe skilled technicians are working on some sort of scheme to encompass all public travel, so maybe around 2032 it will happen.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on January 21, 2022, 18:06:04
If my recollection is correct, this would be the 2nd attempt at installing a ticket machine at Redland.  Does any else remember the adapted street parking ticket machine that was trialled?  I think it only dispensed tickets for the Severn Beach Line as it could only cope with limited ticket options and was withdrawn due to reliability issues.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on March 15, 2022, 10:21:58
There's work going on at Montpelier Station today.  Pictures up thread showed the basic utilities that were provided as preparation for this.  Pictured here are the units themselves being installed.  Seems to be for new ticketing and station arrivals indicator.



Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 15, 2022, 14:09:27
They seem to be installing similar information systems all along the line.

Montpelier is looking almost presentable now it's had a haircut. It's good to see NR took the opportunity to do a lot of maintenance tasks during the half-term possession.

(https://fosbr.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mtp_haircut_scaled.jpg)


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on March 15, 2022, 15:07:48
They seem to be installing similar information systems all along the line.

Montpelier is looking almost presentable now it's had a haircut. It's good to see NR took the opportunity to do a lot of maintenance tasks during the half-term possession.



That's a bit of a small radius curve!


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on March 22, 2022, 10:03:24
New toys ( nearly) at Redland Station.  Here's a couple of pictures from this morning.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 22, 2022, 11:06:08
Montpelier is looking almost presentable now it's had a haircut.
A number one all over!

New toys ( nearly) at Redland Station.  Here's a couple of pictures from this morning.
Ooh! Must go take a look.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on April 07, 2022, 11:12:40
Redland Station now has a shelter for it's new but not yet in service, ticket machine.
All looking very good.
Closer inspection however reveals that not everything may have been thought through properly as the information board behind it is now nearly unreadable/inaccessible.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on December 19, 2022, 17:55:48
There's been some reaction to the proposed hourly, rather than half hourly service on the Henbury Spur, when it finally opens.  Looks like, once again, customer numbers have been underestimated by the lazy (or deliberate???) use of old figures based on lower population densities.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/new-north-filton-train-station-7945377?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 19, 2022, 18:30:28
The business case (https://travelwest.info/app/uploads/2015/09/MetroWest-Phase-2-Outline-Business-Case.pdf) is for 1 tph. We would hope that this will be improved, as we would hope the frequency to Portishead will be improved, but this is what the project is based on.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on December 19, 2022, 19:44:56
The Arena is a red herring here. The station is planned to hold 4-car trains. You might cram 400 into a train if nobody is counting, but that isn't going to make much of a dent into a crowd of 17,000.

More of an issue is the likely number of passengers from a planned 3,700 houses. Assuming they don't all work in Filton, one train per hour is unlikely to suffice for the daily rush hour commuters. History shows that passenger numbers for a new rail service are usually substantially higher than the estimates, whereas the opposite is normally true for buses. It might be hard to persuade the powers that be, but it would be better to start with half-hourly peak and hourly for the rest of the day and cut to hourly if demand doesn't show. Otherwise, the service doesn't really have a chance of getting people out of cars.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 20, 2023, 11:35:54
From Hansard (https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2023-01-18/debates/4414182C-7053-4A4A-A2A3-54489D1BC647/TrainServicesSouthGloucestershire#contribution-65CC8F34-EA44-4767-A015-E879051E8657)

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Huw Merriman >

...I am happy to confirm that, subject to the provision of the necessary funding by the West of England Combined Authority, services between Bristol and Gloucester will be doubled to two trains per hour from the May 2023 timetable change as part of the wider MetroWest scheme. I thank my hon. Friend for helping make this happen and the West of England Combined Authority, which has worked in partnership with officials in my Department and the operator, Great Western Railway, to make this possible. GWR has identified all the rolling stock that it will need for the extra trains and is confident that it will have all the staff training completed in time to introduce the additional services from May. I hope that that provides the assurance my hon. Friend was looking for, but as always—and in answer to his request—I am happy to meet him to understand any further concerns, and to help him make this happen.




Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyN on January 20, 2023, 17:10:26
Also includes hourly to Worcester

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/23264822.gwr-increase-bristol-worcester-trains-hourly/ (https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/23264822.gwr-increase-bristol-worcester-trains-hourly/)

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Great Western Railway revealed plans for train services between the two cities to increase to running every hour.

Currently, services between Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Shrub Hill are operating every two hours.

The plans still need to be given the green light by the authority funding the extra services.

Great Western must have found the magic DMU tree.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on January 20, 2023, 20:18:41
From Hansard (https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2023-01-18/debates/4414182C-7053-4A4A-A2A3-54489D1BC647/TrainServicesSouthGloucestershire#contribution-65CC8F34-EA44-4767-A015-E879051E8657)


I am obliged to my learned and bushy-tailed friend for that piece of good news.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Timmer on January 20, 2023, 21:18:54
Great Western must have found the magic DMU tree.
You do wonder where the rolling stock to run these extra trains is coming from.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Noggin on January 23, 2023, 12:33:53
Also includes hourly to Worcester

https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/23264822.gwr-increase-bristol-worcester-trains-hourly/ (https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/23264822.gwr-increase-bristol-worcester-trains-hourly/)

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Great Western Railway revealed plans for train services between the two cities to increase to running every hour.

Currently, services between Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Shrub Hill are operating every two hours.

The plans still need to be given the green light by the authority funding the extra services.

Great Western must have found the magic DMU tree.

Oooh, so that should mean that Yate gets the half-hourly service then if WECA signs it off?


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 23, 2023, 15:15:23
Yate is mentioned several times in the debate (see link to Hansard above), and MetroWest 2 plans include the 2tph Yate service, so I think it is safe to assume that.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on January 23, 2024, 17:43:06
According to Bristol Live, WECA is about to sign off £100,000 on the 26th January to look at increasing frequency on the Severn Beach Line from two to three trains per hour each way.
The article additionally mentions that a more frequent service than originally envisaged will also be looked at for the nascent Henbury spur.
The article link is below:

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/trains-bristols-severn-beach-line-9052609?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Noggin on January 23, 2024, 20:05:52
The article references a committee paper which makes quite interesting reading. Recommendations include:
- MetroWest Connectivity South Study
- Branch Line Study - 3tph to Avonmouth/Severn Beach, 2 tph to Portishead or 2 tph to Henbury
- New Stations Study inc. Ashton Gate, Saltford, Lockleaze & St Annes Park
- £575k to part-fund Network Rail to progress Filton Bank Electrification to Outline Business Case stage - well worth reading, n.b excludes Chippenham and Weston in the interests of getting a deliverable project. Trying to value engineer the project to get electrification within £30 to £50m (£1-2m per STK)
- Award of previously allocated money for MetroWest to Portishead

https://westofengland-ca.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s7726/Item%2015%20-%20Transport%20Infrastructure%20Projects.pdf (https://westofengland-ca.moderngov.co.uk/documents/s7726/Item%2015%20-%20Transport%20Infrastructure%20Projects.pdf)


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: johnneyw on January 25, 2024, 11:42:49
Unfortunately, I couldn't download the above linked article but all this has got me thinking (it happens now and then).
What would be the minimum requirement for upgrading the Beach line to 3 TPH?

The line is effectively doubled up to Narroways Junction (the now four tracked Filton Bank).
There's a passing loop at Clifton Down Station and there's another at Avonmouth.  That's in essence, a branch that's double tracked at one end and twice in the middle sections.

Now, just what if Severn Beach were to have a 2nd platform opened?......no wait, come back I'm serious..... I'll try to explain.

There was discussion, not that long ago about building a chord from the Henbury line in the direction of Severn Beach..... effectively creating a "Henbury Loop" by other means.  Now, a second platform at Severn Beach might not only provide for extra passing capacity on the line but also provide for more frequent services to the station itself as well as providing for the extra capacity on line should the chord ever be built?
I'm pretty sure that there's still space at Severn Beach to do this.

I'm no railway engineer (clearly) but I'd be interested what others think would be the minimum requirement for the line....as well as correcting me on my observations.






Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Noggin on January 25, 2024, 22:00:46
There's a nice article about increasing Severn Beach Line capacity on the FoSBR website at https://bristolrailcampaign.org.uk/how-could-severn-beach-line-capacity-be-improved/ (https://bristolrailcampaign.org.uk/how-could-severn-beach-line-capacity-be-improved/), including a rather neat idea for redoubling the line through St Andrews Road with some nifty re-purposing of the old freight tracks.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 26, 2024, 00:18:18

The line is effectively doubled up to Narroways Junction (the now four tracked Filton Bank).


Doubling the Severn Beach Branch from Narroways Jct to just short of Montpelier seems to have some merit. At the moment outbound trains have to stand at Stapleton Road if the inbound service is delayed, as the single lead junction means that inbound services have to occupy the Up Filton Relief for about 125m before crossing onto the Down Filton Relief. Reading the WECA rail plan a few years back, I got the impression that doubling this junction might be all that was needed to get to 3tph to Avonmouth.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: grahame on January 26, 2024, 12:20:05
Reading the WECA rail plan a few years back, I got the impression that doubling this junction might be all that was needed to get to 3tph to Avonmouth.

Looking at Real Time trains for today, the 13:00 from Clifton Down (a random train) arrives in Avonmouth at 13:12 and that 12 minutes includes a half minute performance element.  It calls at Portway Park and Ride at 13:10.  I note it calls also at Sea Mills and Shirehampton. I note that the double track into Avonmouth starts a bit of a way out but the line goes single as it leaves Clifton Down.

This suggests to me that a service every 20 minutes would work, tight, with 2 stops between Clifton Down and Avonmouth, but not with three without other interventions.  Those could be such things as
* Electrify the line to get better acceleration of trains
* Have just 2 stops, alternate trains (so 40 minute service, or 60 minute if you want clock face) at Sea Mills and at Shirehampton
* Extend the loop at Clifton Down into the tunnel (but that would mean trains waiting in the dark for the single line)
* Extend the double track at the Avonmouth end - but that would mean it being doubled over a level crossing and probably a second platform at Portway Park and Ride
* An intermediate signal would allow 2 trains one way then two the other, but that would then be "three trains an hour" and not a regular 20 minute service.
* An Ormskirk or Headbolt Lane arrangement
* Something I have not thought of


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Sulis John on January 26, 2024, 12:58:08
It should be possible to extend the loop from just the Bristol side of Sea Mills station almost to the Arches without massive effort, shouldn’t it? Level access to a second platform at Redland shouldn’t be a problem as long as the park’s owners (BCC?) play ball.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: grahame on January 26, 2024, 13:35:52
It should be possible to extend the loop from just the Bristol side of Sea Mills station almost to the Arches without massive effort, shouldn’t it? Level access to a second platform at Redland shouldn’t be a problem as long as the park’s owners (BCC?) play ball.

Maybe - and that's my extension from Clifton Down into (and now through) the tunnel.

A further issue which I have NOT look at is that if we had a 20 minute service with trains passing at Avonmouth and on the river bank to the east of Sea Mills,  would that mean that the next passing place was - oops - Montpelier which would still be single track?  And if it was a 20 minute service onward to Severn Beach, 10 minute run from Avonmouth ... issues to be looked at.   One stretch of single line can be maximised but with three you have a can of worms.  See also The Mule and the Heart of Wessex ....


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 26, 2024, 14:43:53
For reference, Page 17 of the WEMCA 10 Year Rail Delivery Plan (https://www.westofengland-ca.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/10-Year-Rail-Delivery-Plan.pdf) (2020) has:

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Severn Beach to
Bristol Temple
Meads and
Westbury
enhanced service
     3 TPH Severn Beach
to BTM
4 TPH Bristol Temple
Meads to Westbury
     Line doubling between
Montpelier and Filton.
Double junction at
Holesmouth.
Platform capacity at Severn
Beach.
Resignalling Severn Beach
Line.
Westbury to Bath corridor
capacity works.
Potential for new Saltford
and St Annes Park stations


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on January 26, 2024, 18:01:19
Line doubling between Montpelier and Filton - in which direction?


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Sulis John on January 26, 2024, 20:12:58
Might not be deliberately vague - but there’s a world of difference between “all the way between” and “somewhere between”. Which it is is not clear!


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: grahame on January 27, 2024, 07:23:50
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Line doubling between Montpelier and Filton.

Wasn't that before the four tracks were completed on Filton Bank.  So it could be read as up from 1 track to 2 from Montpelier to Narrowways Junction, and double the number of tracks (up from 2 to 4) from Narroways / Stapleton Road to Filton.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: TonyK on January 27, 2024, 12:23:51
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Line doubling between Montpelier and Filton.

Wasn't that before the four tracks were completed on Filton Bank.  So it could be read as up from 1 track to 2 from Montpelier to Narrowways Junction, and double the number of tracks (up from 2 to 4) from Narroways / Stapleton Road to Filton.

I wondered that, but Narroways / Stapleton Road isn't Montpelier. I guess the idea is therefore all the way around to Henbury then Abbey Wood, plus the new curve to the east at Holesmouth Junction. If so, Sea Mills bridge will have to be restored or rebuilt as a minimum. Could the tunnels fit double tracks? I know they did pre-1970 and that trains then were much the same size as now, but I would imagine safety margins have increased since.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 27, 2024, 12:34:43
Line doubling between Montpelier and Filton - in which direction?

BRC/FoSBR think it's just a typo (maybe omitting the word 'Bank'). I think it has been clarified that they meant Narroways Jct.


Title: Re: MetroWest services begin
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 27, 2024, 12:40:52
Could the tunnels fit double tracks? I know they did pre-1970 and that trains then were much the same size as now, but I would imagine safety margins have increased since.

Interesting question. I've always assumed there would be no problem with relaying double track through Clifton Down Tunnel. The Clifton Extension Railway was build to standard gauge (according to Wikipedia), but the tunnel doesn't feel particularly 'tight'.



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