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Title: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on February 05, 2022, 20:42:56 From https://gbrtt.com/hq/
Quote Introduction Britain’s railways are embarking on a major, once in a generation reform that will transform the way in which the sector works, bringing together track and train to deliver a customer-focused railway. Great British Railways will be the railway’s new guiding mind, and a Transition Team has been established to drive forward its design and deliver early benefits. Our vision is to create a simpler, better railway for everyone in Britain. A commitment to establish Great British Railways was made in May 2021 as part of the Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail, focused on delivering sweeping reforms that create a truly passenger-focused railway. It will serve as a single, accountable public body responsible for running Britain’s railways. As a new organisation, with a new culture, focused on serving the interests of everyone in Britain, Great British Railways will need a new national headquarters. On 4 October 2021, the Secretary for State for Transport announced that a competition will take place to find a location for the headquarters outside of London. Towns and cities outside of London have the opportunity to participate in the Great British Railways national headquarters selection process, which is being run by the Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) on behalf of the Department for Transport (DfT). The competition will seek to recognise places with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and public support for the selected location, creating a great opportunity to promote communities as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britain’s railways. and Quote Key dates The competition will consist of four stages that will enable GBRTT to find the most suitable candidate for the national headquarters. Stage 1 – Expression of Interest deadline: 16 March 2022 Stage 2 – Shortlist announced: May 2022 Stage 3 – Ministerial visits to shortlisted places and a public vote: May 2022 Stage 4 – Headquarters’ location announced: Summer 2022 Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Marlburian on February 05, 2022, 22:03:22 No doubt various MPs will be pushing for it to be in their constituencies, such as the one for Eastleigh. There was a version of this story (https://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/news/19757208.mp-bids-base-major-railway-organisations-hq-eastleigh/) on Meridian News tonight.
(I got a malware alert when I first clicked on the link, but it was to the Hampshire Chronicle website, so I took a risk and went ahead.) I would have thought that the town stood little chance; the area is one of the more prosperous in the country and with "levelling up" ... Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Electric train on February 06, 2022, 08:05:20 Will the Government risk placing it in a "red wall Tory seat" ?
Remember this new 'Rail HQ' will be not only the head functions of Network Rail but parts of the DfT such things as the ToC contract award, parts of the ORR. The HQ will be I am guessing in the geographic central core of the UK, somewhere like Leeds, Sheffield, Braford, Manchester areas, I would not rule out Derby. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: CyclingSid on February 06, 2022, 08:53:01 Not sure I would call Eastleigh prosperous, other parts of the constituency might be. But, of course, everything is relative. I wonder if it will end up in Uxbridge? In the days of Tony Blair there was an indicator for constituencies performing poorly in health. Never worked out how they arranged the indicators to include Mr Blair's constituency.
But as they say a week is a long time in politics, who knows who will be running (?) the show by then. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: GBM on February 06, 2022, 10:24:05 Melksham would be a good location from what I've read.
Connectable rail service, with added bus links :-\ Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on February 06, 2022, 10:37:03 Melksham would be a good location from what I've read. Connectable rail service, with added bus links :-\ We were discussing that earlier. Stranger things have happened. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: bradshaw on February 06, 2022, 11:37:31 Make sure you view this before you make your decision!
https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1489894303207985152?s=21 Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Marlburian on February 06, 2022, 13:06:16 Not sure I would call Eastleigh prosperous, other parts of the constituency might be. December 2021 unemployment rates: Eastleigh 2.5%; South East 3.5%; GB 4.4%. Given the shortage of experienced staff in many sectors, would a GBR HQ in Eastleigh be able to recruit the people it needed? (Forgive me, Sid: for most of my career I was the regional press officer for the Manpower Services Commission and Department of Employment. Admittedly that was Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: paul7575 on February 06, 2022, 14:05:34 I suspect Eastleigh as a borough includes quite a significant population that don’t look towards Eastleigh for much at all, the local government area seems somewhat artificial to me, and extends right down to Hamble via Hedge End and Botley, I think many of the more southern residents will look far more towards Southampton, or Fareham, and even Portsmouth.
I think Cycling Sid is probably right with that average figure covering significant variations... Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 06, 2022, 17:13:26 Make sure you view this before you make your decision! https://twitter.com/grantshapps/status/1489894303207985152?s=21 I'm saddened to see that? Portillo must have fallen on hard times Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Reading General on February 06, 2022, 17:30:15 If this HQ has ample car parking I will not be impressed.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: eightonedee on February 06, 2022, 18:02:44 Quote I'm saddened to see that? Portillo must have fallen on hard times Agree - also think the flamboyantly jacketed one would make a much better job of Shapps's (and most of Shapps's current colleagues') job........ Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: johnneyw on February 06, 2022, 20:40:19 I'm wondering if Bristol would put itself forward? Plenty of railway tradition but perhaps it's only the Midlands and the North that the government are really looking to. In any case, I doubt if Metro Mayor of Mayor Marv would want to come out to play.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: ellendune on February 06, 2022, 20:48:30 Swindon has a greater claim toa railway tradition that Bristol IMHO. However I think Derby, Crewe, Doncaster or even York would fit with the present government's levelling up agenda. However the logical outcome for me would be Milton Keynes (aka Wolverton) since many of Network Rail's staff were relocated there not long ago, at a serious cost in loss of skills, and a further relocation would risk loosing even more of those skills.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: 1st fan on February 06, 2022, 21:11:09 Simples - Just turf out Landmark hotels and put it back in 222 Marylebone Road, London. ;D
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Mark A on February 06, 2022, 21:38:55 My take: the minister of state for transport is being abusive towards many current railway staff, who shouldn't be made to worry that they may need to uproot their lives in an unnecessary move brought about by a political gesture.
Portillo should have a word with himself for taking this gig. And Shapps might well find, on reaching the pearly gates, that Gabriel (quite fond, incognito, of signing on for turns on the footplate at various heritage lines) will want a word with him about that trainspotter gybe. And seeing that it was filmed at Marylebone, he owes an apology to the Beatles too, and at the end of this process if the GBR headquarters location being settled by the fates as Woodford Halse, he has only himself to blame. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: stuving on February 06, 2022, 22:04:42 It's hard to know how much this matters - or what to put in a bid - without knowing how many people this HQ will house. All I can see in the competition guidance is "the national team is planned to be a lean business unit" and "the headquarters is expected to house a modest staff". At least, I assume that's about their number.
So, a currently closed shop unit in a station somewhere? Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Electric train on February 07, 2022, 07:13:37 I'm wondering if Bristol would put itself forward? Plenty of railway tradition but perhaps it's only the Midlands and the North that the government are really looking to. In any case, I doubt if Metro Mayor of Mayor Marv would want to come out to play. Swindon has a greater claim toa railway tradition that Bristol IMHO. However I think Derby, Crewe, Doncaster or even York would fit with the present government's levelling up agenda. However the logical outcome for me would be Milton Keynes (aka Wolverton) since many of Network Rail's staff were relocated there not long ago, at a serious cost in loss of skills, and a further relocation would risk loosing even more of those skills. Being a former Railway Town will not count for much. GBR HQ will be a administration and necessarily an operations centre. The ToC's already run as devolved business and Network Rail is rapidly progressing to a regional devolved business; MK has shrunk in its importance to the day to day involvement in running a railway. The location chosen will host rolls taken out of DfT, ORR and some parts of the NR central functions, it will, I suspect, eventually have 2 out bases one in Wales the other in Scotland Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Ralph Ayres on February 07, 2022, 18:00:15 I despair. If the government and the DfT can't use their expertise to work out where best to place an HQ building then there really is something wrong. A public vote is likely to be mostly about an unwieldy combination of railway heritage, mischief (remember Boaty McB?), politics and regional loyalties. How about choosing it based on factors like availability of a suitable building/space to build one cheaply, where the staff who will work in it are currently based, good public transport links and so on?
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Reading General on February 07, 2022, 19:02:16 It does fit the competition on every level agenda though. Pit people or places against each other for jobs and economic growth.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: CyclingSid on February 08, 2022, 07:10:59 It does fit the competition on every level agenda though. Pit people or places against each other for jobs and economic growth. Virtually every government allocation of funding is done on the bidding process. Health have had to do this for years; spend vast amount of time and energy doing the paperwork, if you are lucky you then get a paltry sum of money, and then you have to spend more time and energy doing paperwork to show and justify what you have done. Good for bureaucracy and ministers off-loading responsibility, but not much else.Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2022, 07:43:43 There is plenty of empty office space throughout the country, why talk of an "HQ building", just work out how many desks are needed (bearing in mind that the majority of office workers will be working a hybrid pattern and WFH far more) and lease the necessary space, NOT in a "prestige" central London location, this is public money and as little as is necessary should be spent.
If there's a possibility of creating jobs in an area where they're needed so much the better, base it there, it doesn't need to be in a "Railway town", it will mostly be an admin and Operations centre. You only have to look at buildings like InterCity House in Plymouth, which was dilapidated before it was finished and never close to being fully utilised to realise the folly of the alternative. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: IndustryInsider on February 08, 2022, 10:57:57 The one location that has definitely been ruled out is London.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: 1st fan on February 08, 2022, 15:02:22 Going with current joined up thinking from the Government, what about Newcastle-under-Lyme? No train station there to distract the hard working GBR employees.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on February 08, 2022, 16:47:27 Going with current joined up thinking from the Government, what about Newcastle-under-Lyme? No train station there to distract the hard working GBR employees. I was about to suggest Bude, Ripon or Skelmersdale ... Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: broadgage on February 09, 2022, 06:30:40 I would favour anywhere reasonably central and with good rail connections, it would in my view be preferable for the majority of GBR staff to walk, cycle, or use public transport for travel to the offices.
It sets a very poor example if most of the staff drive to work in a rail related business. Agree not London which is crowded and therefore expensive. An existing building, available to lease or purchase affordably is preferable to new build which is bound to take longer and cost more than expected. A building already suitable for the intended use without any need for significant alterations or other building works would be preferred, again to avoid delays and ballooning costs. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: TonyK on February 09, 2022, 19:56:56 How about putting forward Portishead for the HQ? It's fairly pleasant, and it might just help get the railway built.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on March 06, 2022, 16:09:18 Melksham would be a good location from what I've read. Connectable rail service, with added bus links :-\ We were discussing that earlier. Stranger things have happened. Could do far, far, far worse ... it's educational to think the unthinkable http://www.passenger.chat/hqx.pdf ... something I used on last month but concluded I should not seriously take further. Would be supportive another appropriate bid from within this (Wessex) region, which has most of what it takes, and that which it ain't got can be fixed (such as by restarting VT0 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_CrossCountry) to fix the frankly appalling rail connectivity from here about to the Midlands and North. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: TonyK on March 15, 2022, 16:06:11 Any last minute submissions really need to be finished today. Just reminding everyone.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on August 03, 2022, 22:52:26 From the Yorkshire Post (https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/great-british-railways-government-urged-to-set-up-new-headquarters-in-the-north-3792322)
T Quote ransport for the North has launched a campaign calling on the Government to choose one of the four Northern contenders. Chief Executive Martin Tugwell said: “The new Great British Railways’ (GBR) headquarters can be anywhere, as long as it’s here in the North. "Transport for the North will be making the case for it to be based here in the heart of the country over the coming weeks. “Our country’s national railway is over 200 years old, but few people know that our rail network was born here in the North of England with the very first railways and stations. By basing GBR here it will be a homecoming.” Councillor Carl Les, Leader of North Yorkshire County Council, said setting up the GBR headquarters in the North would support the Government’s levelling up agenda. “York has an extensive rail heritage and the right skills and people to make GBR a success,” he added. I can't help feeling that a new start is required, and sticking with the old favourites will confirm that the railways are stuck in the past. May I suggest looking to somewhere that railway improvement and investment will be really welcome. Corsham, Portishead, Tavistock, Yetminster, Fowey or Dunster? Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: infoman on August 04, 2022, 06:37:31 Don't mind if they have it "somewhere in the North",
they might then get ticket gates installed at Chesterfield Doncaster Barnsley Sheffield and Preston. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Witham Bobby on August 04, 2022, 09:56:28 May I suggest looking to somewhere that railway improvement and investment will be really welcome. Corsham, Portishead, Tavistock, Yetminster, Fowey or Dunster? Definitely supporting the idea of Dunster as an HQ. I rather fancied the idea of having my office there back in 1976. But we discovered the wooden floor was rotten. And then the foreman of our government funded JCP - Job Creation Programme - decided that the lovely and definitely un-rotten built-in furniture (booking office counter, drawers, cupboards and a table) would better be used to warm up the workers on a cold day :( Under the original lease from Somerset County Council, the WSR had to keep the station buildings at Dunster, Blue Anchor, Williton, Stogumber, Crowcombe and Bishops Lydeard only in "wind and watertight" condition Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on October 16, 2022, 11:49:22 Melksham would be a good location from what I've read. Connectable rail service, with added bus links :-\ We were discussing that earlier. Stranger things have happened. Could do far, far, far worse ... it's educational to think the unthinkable http://www.passenger.chat/hqx.pdf ... something I used on last month but concluded I should not seriously take further. Would be supportive another appropriate bid from within this (Wessex) region, which has most of what it takes, and that which it ain't got can be fixed (such as by restarting VT0 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_CrossCountry) to fix the frankly appalling rail connectivity from here about to the Midlands and North. How things changes - at the end of last week, Cooper Tires announced that they're to cease production of tyres in Melksham by the end of next year with around 300 redundancies. And the test case work I did six months ago comes back to have a more serious look taken at the underlying logic, which had more than a grain of logic in it. On Facebook for the Melksham audience, I wrote: Quote Comedians can say the unthnkable and you can laugh, but pause for thought. Many a true word is spoken or written in Jest. In March, I wrote a suggestion-to-nothing that Melksham might like to bid for the GBR Headquarters - we have a great deal going for us, but of course we're not a northern or midlands city, and our rail connections (which a rail HQ would expect) are better than they were, but still pretty poor. However, it's interesting to note my analysis of what Melksham has going for it, and what's in the vicinity of the Melksham Riverside site. The background data and thoughts need attention and redirection - I don't thing anyone will see the GBR HQ anyway as that was an idea from the Boris era. See http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/hqx.pdf There are two strands looking ahead. The first is for the people who may have worked at "The Avon" all their lives and be like deer caught in headlights this weekend. It's a frightening time when you're declared redundant (it happened to me twice) but after not a little heartache, a new chapter can be so much of a better one in a role and company that's developing, and not it a company where you wonder how much longer it can last. The second is "what now?" for the town, with this prime piece of real estate where people are crying out for many things ... Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on March 20, 2023, 16:44:10 From The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/great-british-railways-department-for-transport-east-midlands-network-rail-government-b2304427.html)
Quote Derby expected to host Great British Railways HQ Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: ChrisB on March 21, 2023, 12:20:46 From The BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-65020846)
Confirmed. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Mark A on March 21, 2023, 14:19:56 Wondering what this means for Network Rail in Milton Keynes. A renewed interest in a new railway on the Northampton - Market Harborough trackbed perhaps.
Also, seeing that GBR-connected people will need to travel between the East Midlands and the greater Manchester conurbation, that'll be food for thought for everyone. Mark Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on March 21, 2023, 16:24:39 From The BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-65020846) Confirmed. Government announcement: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/derby-named-as-home-of-great-british-railways-hq (http://www.wellho.net/pix/derbylogo.jpg) Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: infoman on March 21, 2023, 18:15:50 Just hoping they will be holding monthly meetings so we can express OUR views
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: JayMac on March 21, 2023, 20:10:38 I can understand the images of an HST and an Alstom/Bombardier Aventra, both rail products developed and/or built in Derby. But why the Rolls Royce background? Yes, RR is associated with Derby but they've never, to my knowledge, developed or built passenger rail transport products in Derby.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Trowres on March 21, 2023, 21:07:53 Tenuous connection, but the Derby-built class 127 DMUs (used on St Pancras-Bedford pre-electrification) had Rolls Royce engines.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: JayMac on March 21, 2023, 21:27:18 Tenuous connection, but the Derby-built class 127 DMUs (used on St Pancras-Bedford pre-electrification) had Rolls Royce engines. I stand, slightly, corrected. ;) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_C_range_engines#C8NFLH Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: ChrisB on March 23, 2023, 17:09:22 Just hoping they will be holding monthly meetings so we can express OUR views Better get yourself attached to a CRP then, or a County Council transport department. Along with ORR/Transport Focus/London TravelWatch, these were ther only organisations listed in the white paper. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Electric train on March 24, 2023, 07:18:57 Wondering what this means for Network Rail in Milton Keynes. A renewed interest in a new railway on the Northampton - Market Harborough trackbed perhaps. Mark Probably not much initially. The Andrew Haines Putting Passengers First programme undoing the Iain Coucher centralist management structure of one National centre with very little decision making left to the Network Rail Routes to the current devolved to the a Regional structure where the Regional Directors and their teams make the decisions under a National frame work ......................... Sounds a lot like British Rail don't it. I cannot see there will be need or desire to centrally base every thing into the Derby GBRHQ the NR Regions and the TOCs under the GBR framework will be the decision makers even down to timetabling. GBR will be high level policy, train operator contracts, timetabling oversight. Network Rail business will transferred into GBR, will Network Rail be rebranded that I am not certain, there are a number of potential possibilities of further devolved branding Train Operator alignment etc Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: infoman on March 24, 2023, 07:24:07 ChrisB,if I sign up for any more travel sites,it will take all day to read them.
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: ChrisB on March 28, 2023, 17:11:50 A local CRP to you isn't just a travel site, they need volunteers to do work around their local stations. The only way you can be part of a CRP is to get appointed to a job or join a station/line adoption team
Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: TonyK on March 31, 2023, 17:49:32 I can understand the images of an HST and an Alstom/Bombardier Aventra, both rail products developed and/or built in Derby. But why the Rolls Royce background? Yes, RR is associated with Derby but they've never, to my knowledge, developed or built passenger rail transport products in Derby. Wait until they unveil the new nuclear EMU. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Electric train on March 31, 2023, 19:36:52 I can understand the images of an HST and an Alstom/Bombardier Aventra, both rail products developed and/or built in Derby. But why the Rolls Royce background? Yes, RR is associated with Derby but they've never, to my knowledge, developed or built passenger rail transport products in Derby. Wait until they unveil the new nuclear EMU. Rolls Royce diesel engines were used in Class 127 DMU's (Bed-Pan), also used in a number of shunting locomotive. MTU is a Rolls Royce company, MTU engines replace the Paxmans in the HST's and currently used in a number of modern DMUs Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: eightonedee on March 31, 2023, 21:17:49 Quote MTU▸ (Motor Traction Unit) is a Rolls Royce company, MTU engines replace the Paxmans in the HST's and currently used in a number of modern DMUs There's a certain ironic symmetry here. Paxmans ended up owned by a German company (MAN), while MTU is a German company that has ended up as part of a UK company. Sadly, MAN have run down the Paxman operation in Colchester - I think you will only find the name on an angling club set up among their staff nowadays. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 31, 2023, 22:52:03 I can understand the images of an HST and an Alstom/Bombardier Aventra, both rail products developed and/or built in Derby. But why the Rolls Royce background? Yes, RR is associated with Derby but they've never, to my knowledge, developed or built passenger rail transport products in Derby. Wait until they unveil the new nuclear EMU. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: grahame on April 01, 2023, 01:10:18 Wait until they unveil the new nuclear EMU. With glow-in-the-dark Rod Hull.It strikes me that the forward-looking choice of Derby means that they've put the HQ at the only shortlisted location that doesn't even have electric trains yet Quote Doncaster, York, Birmingham, Crewe and Newcastle-upon-Tyne were also on the final shortlist of possible locations. Transport Secretary Mark Harper said the move would make Derby "the heart of Great Britain's rail industry". Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Electric train on April 01, 2023, 08:54:25 Wait until they unveil the new nuclear EMU. With glow-in-the-dark Rod Hull.It strikes me that the forward-looking choice of Derby means that they've put the HQ at the only shortlisted location that doesn't even have electric trains yet Quote Doncaster, York, Birmingham, Crewe and Newcastle-upon-Tyne were also on the final shortlist of possible locations. Transport Secretary Mark Harper said the move would make Derby "the heart of Great Britain's rail industry". Also potentially there is railway owned land / buildings to establish a new HQ Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: TonyK on April 01, 2023, 10:34:39 Also potentially there is railway owned land / buildings to establish a new HQ That may well have been the clincher. Nothing worse than setting up a new Quango, only to have have it blow the first 5 years' time and 10 years' budget on a modern new non-colonial carbon- and gender-neutral award winning carbuncle in the countryside for a HQ. Move into an existing place with all the IT set up, and they can hopefully start work on improving railways by Wednesday of the first week. Maybe even achieve something railway related within a decade or two. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 18, 2023, 20:41:02 This from The Times Newspaper today
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/44392766-f592-11ed-bbd9-d67390476214?shareToken=0836adee569f835a8f5f5944502d56d3. Title: Re: 16th March 2022 - Where should the GBR HQ be? Post by: Timmer on May 18, 2023, 22:28:37 Is anyone really surprised by this? I’m not.
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