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Title: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: RailCornwall on March 03, 2022, 03:56:10 pm
Monday 6 to Sunday 13 March replacement buses will run between Truro and Penzance as well as on the St Ives branch.

Where the main line remains open, amended train services will operate through Cornwall towards Plymouth with roughly one train per hour in each direction.

GWR is asking those intending to travel during this period to plan ahead and check journey times before travelling.

GWR Regional Station Manager, West, Mark Chorley, said:

“We have been working hard to make sure that people can be confident to travel safely, and that includes running as many trains and carriages as we can to make extra room, and replacement buses where trains cannot operate.

“This work is important to ensure we can continue to improve the service we offer to passengers. The platform extensions will enable us to run longer trains in the future on the St Ives line, providing more capacity for busy summer days.”


from

https://news.gwr.com/news/rail-improvement-and-platform-extension-work-to-take-place-in-west-cornwall

Questions have to be (i) Which Station Platforms? and (ii) Are GWR planning longer than 4 car services on the line?


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on March 03, 2022, 04:00:44 pm
Presumably Lelant Saltings won't need doing, or St Ives itself. That only lives Lelant and Carbis Bay (which are both shorter IIRC)?


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: REVUpminster on March 03, 2022, 05:07:36 pm
3 coach 158959 worked St Ives Mon/Tues last week. The work is probably for when the 150s are phased out.


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: GWR 158 on March 03, 2022, 05:29:34 pm
When the 150s are phased out what will replace them?
When are GWR planning on phasing the 150s out?


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: grahame on March 03, 2022, 06:10:33 pm
When the 150s are phased out what will replace them?
When are GWR planning on phasing the 150s out?

Don't know

Not in the short term - short term plans are to replace some of the Castle sets with IETs


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: RichardB on March 03, 2022, 11:04:18 pm
3 coach 158959 worked St Ives Mon/Tues last week. The work is probably for when the 150s are phased out.

Which is no time soon and the 150s certainly won't be replaced by 158s.  158s are too slow for people to get off and on hence you'll rarely see one on an Exmouth - Paignton, St Ives, Falmouth  etc when it is at all busy.   A failure yes, no failure another kettle of fish altogether.

I think the 150s will be with us in Devon & Cornwall for a bit  yet.


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: REVUpminster on March 04, 2022, 07:59:51 am
It all depends on the 19 769s which seems to be having a lot of failures.
Exeter has 7 3 car 158s.
Yesterday was a good day for Exeter.
17 out of the 20  150s were in service. 10 doubled up on Paignton-Exmouth plus 2 166s for the seven diagrams.
7 were on the branches. 8 will be required from May with Okehampton.
Barnstaple had three 3 car 158s in service. Might need an extra one for the extended Axminster in May.

If the 19 769s do come into service it will displace the 165s at Reading and from what I read a couple of years ago they will replace the 150s. 166s will remain at Bristol.
15 165s could replace the 20 150s and GWR can claim more seats, less maintenance.
Exeter depot has been reconfigured to service 3 car trains and can exchange bogies in the lifting road although I don't think that has been done yet.


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: REVUpminster on March 04, 2022, 10:57:59 am
Looking at todays allocation;
Still 10 150s doing Paignton- Exmouth but a 166 is replaced by 158.


The Cornwall trains seem to be stabled at Long Rock or Laira although there seems to be trips in the week to get back to Exeter


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: TJ on March 07, 2022, 12:16:27 pm
Do we know for certain which platform(s) are being extended during the current blockade? Is it just St Erth?


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: bobm on March 07, 2022, 01:42:52 pm
A Network Rail tweet says it’s St Erth and Lelant to allow “five car 150s”.


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: grahame on March 07, 2022, 02:10:21 pm
A Network Rail tweet says it’s St Erth and Lelant to allow “five car 150s”.

There are only 6 (out of more that 130?) 3 car sets - the rest are 2 cars ...


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: REVUpminster on March 08, 2022, 12:01:35 pm
St Erth bay is 108m  and Lelant 82m. 4 car 150 about 92m, 3 car 165 about 72m as is 158 which was down there for two days the other week.

A new station like Marsh Barton is 124m.

No more 150s are likely to come down here especially the 150001-06 having got rid of the two GWR had.

Ps 2 car 158762 operating Falmouth today

Just seen twitter and Lelant being extended 6m at each end.


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: RichT54 on March 14, 2022, 11:31:35 am
Network Rail press release: https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/thousands-of-extra-seats-to-st-ives-following-west-cornwall-rail-upgrades (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/thousands-of-extra-seats-to-st-ives-following-west-cornwall-rail-upgrades)

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Passengers are set to benefit from an additional 2,000 seats per day on the St Ives branch line and a more reliable mainline in Cornwall following the completion of a number of recent improvements to the railway.

Over the past nine days, Network Rail and its contractor BAM Nuttall have extended the station platforms at Lelant and St Erth as part of a £1.14m investment into this ever-popular branch line. These upgrades will enable GWR to run longer five-carriage trains which will then be able to stop at all stations along the St Ives branch line.

The ability to operate trains with an additional carriage means a 25% increase in capacity, providing an additional 2,000 seats and a total of 10,000 seats to and from St Ives during peak summer days.

This extra provision will greatly support business and tourism in and around St Ives, with this iconic railway line transporting large numbers of passengers to and from this picturesque harbour town, particularly during the busy summer months when thousands of tourists visit this part of Cornwall.

At Lelant the existing platform has been extended by 13 metres while at St Erth the platform has been extended by six metres. The platforms are expected to be commissioned and approved to welcome the first five-carriage trains later this year with GWR planning on operating these longer trains following the May 2022 timetable change during the peak summer months.

These upgrades are the latest example of Network Rail’s continued investment into the railway in West Cornwall and in particular the St Ives branch line, following the £3m track upgrade in February 2021 which saw Network Rail complete the biggest track investment on the St Ives branch line in 60 years.

On the mainline between Truro and Penzance, Network Rail’s team of engineers also renewed 1.8km of new track, sleepers and ballast, helping support the reliability and lifespan of this important mainline railway into Cornwall, while also replacing the life expired Bodriggy bridge in Hayle.


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: RichardB on March 14, 2022, 12:51:54 pm
A Network Rail tweet says it’s St Erth and Lelant to allow “five car 150s”.

There are only 6 (out of more that 130?) 3 car sets - the rest are 2 cars ...

GWR looking at possibly splitting a 2 car set to make 2 x 3 car sets (as was done with some 158s). 


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: bobm on May 15, 2022, 05:52:28 pm
Saw the modest extension to the bay platform at St Erth on Friday.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/serplat.jpg)


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: bobm on June 19, 2022, 06:36:33 pm
Have now caught up with the works at Lelant.

The platform has been extended by 13 metres - unusually by carrying out work at both ends.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lel3.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lel5.jpg)

However, and perhaps not surprisingly given the cost, the opportunity wasn't taken to raise the platform height.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lel4.jpg)

As a result of the extension the foot crossing has been moved slightly closer to St Ives

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lel2.jpg)

...but possibly only for use at low tide!

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lel1.jpg)


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: Mark A on June 19, 2022, 11:15:35 pm
Um, it used to descend onto a slipway or pier there. I can't recall if stairs were involved.

Mark


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: eightonedee on June 20, 2022, 07:53:53 am
How thoughtful of Network Rail - a special exit for all those smugglers you keep being told about when you visit Cornwall! ;D


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: Mark A on July 05, 2022, 06:25:47 pm
A bit of a riff on St Erth station, in its new role as park and ride.

'Reasons' yesterday gave me the opportunity to change from the branch onto the 18:00 London train at St Erth at the end of yesterday afternoon, and the junction station's new role as park and ride certainly needs quite a lot of admin, even with the modest sized ( and moderately rammed) 2 carriage St Ives train.

The overall impression was that the branch is thoroughly capacity constrained - not sure how this is working for long distance rail passengers as they'll be at risk of being displaced by the park and ride people.

First up, St Ives... there wasn't much opportunity to buy a ticket *from* St Ives as the ticket machine was flakey, a queue attempting to purchase, and in any case the machine didn't seem to know about railcards. Once on the train, there was no space for the train crew to come through and check tickets.

Once at St Erth, the accesses between the bay platform and the up main platform being for the most part closed off with tape, either single use or barrier tape, the returning park and ride people were channeled through the station building and, for the people heading for the down-side car park, back on to the platform and over the bridge - at the entrance to which there was a sign that said hopefully "No queueing on the bridge" - not sure how that was meant to work.

The very few people heading for the long distance connecting train were able to head in the same direction and discover the remaining exit(s?) to the up line platform of their own acccord. When the park and ride people had passed, the entire end of the station behind the buffer stops was taped off to send any one else up the ramp. (The cafe there appears to have been a victim of covid, which is a pity as it would now have far more passing trade perhaps with their landlord requiring a greatly increased rent)

All this needed the prescence of I think at least 2 staff to manage things.

The levels may well favour a step-free underpass, someone has probably considered one and then baulked at the cost of such structures in the UK.

A notice states that for anyone unable to use the overbridge, GWR will provide a complimentary taxi, presumably between up and down platforms.

So, St Erth is much busier - though possibly, the fare box has suffered a hit as a result, and also, two carriages on the branch in July doesn't match the numbers presenting.

After the ride on the branch, I do now know the words to the following nursery rhyme:

"Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream. If you see a crocodile, don't forget to scream.'

Mark


Title: Re: Platform extensions at Stations on the St Ives Line
Post by: REVUpminster on July 06, 2022, 10:07:48 am
It's surprising GWR cannot make up a four coach train although they have yesterday and today.
For the last week or so 4 166s have been operating Paignton Exmouth and only 6 150s to do the rest of the service. 9 150s do Gunnislake and the Cornwall branches leaving 5 spare.

As for tickets maybe the staff on the platform could issue tickets. They supplement Paignton's ticket windows with a ticket seller in the booking hall on Saturdays.



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