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Title: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: grahame on April 17, 2022, 23:29:50
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61136024

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Lumo train passengers' panic after emergency stop

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Billie Rainer, 25, said she was left "shaken" by the incident after she caught the train from Newcastle to visit friends in the capital.

"The train was swinging from side to side as it went around the corner very fast," she told the BBC.

"I felt like a massive jolt and I was lifted out of my seat. I wasn't injured but other people were, by falling items. A woman was limping because she'd been hurt.

"The train tipped to the side a bit, then loads more. My suitcase fell to the floor and a couple of people fell off chairs.

"After the train swung from side to side it came to a massive halt and stopped at Peterborough station for an hour and a bit.

"It did feel like the train had approached the corner way too fast. It was so much worse than plane turbulence."

My bolding, and a note that this has been referred to the RAIB.   Out of the norm ...


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: JayMac on April 18, 2022, 07:58:34
From other forums and social media I've been reading that the train took a diverging route at excess speed. A plain line emergency stop shouldn't result in injuries to seated paasengers. Lurching over points on the other hand...


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: bradshaw on April 18, 2022, 08:13:28
The late running 1Y16 to Kings Cross, which was booked to stop at PBO p3. It seems the Lumo service was changed to pass via p1 rather than its normal p3.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 18, 2022, 09:05:04
Quite a lot of coverage on the BBC this morning, Lumo have "apologised for any distress".


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: Mark A on April 18, 2022, 11:27:09
From other forums and social media I've been reading that the train took a diverging route at excess speed. A plain line emergency stop shouldn't result in injuries to seated paasengers. Lurching over points on the other hand...

If someone could give a quick explanation of how the railway manages locations on fast lines but which have two differing approach speeds (e.g. one for "Straight on" and another for "turn left") depending on circumstances, that would be appreciated. Does this depend on driver route knowledge and is there backup from automatic protection of some sort?

Thanks

Mark


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: ChrisB on April 18, 2022, 11:54:27
There would be a flag on the home signal to the set of points that direct the train either through (pl 3) or round (pl 1), with a speed indicator for both routes. Reports that the pl 1 limit was 30 but the driver took it at line speed for pl 3 of 80mph.

I guess the rules here of speculation ought to cut in even though there were no serious injuries & the RAIB are investigating.

Automatic Protection generally only kicks in if the signal was showing yellow/red lights. Again, reports say the signal was green, so no protection kicked in.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: Electric train on April 18, 2022, 11:55:47
From other forums and social media I've been reading that the train took a diverging route at excess speed. A plain line emergency stop shouldn't result in injuries to seated paasengers. Lurching over points on the other hand...

If someone could give a quick explanation of how the railway manages locations on fast lines but which have two differing approach speeds (e.g. one for "Straight on" and another for "turn left") depending on circumstances, that would be appreciated. Does this depend on driver route knowledge and is there backup from automatic protection of some sort?

Thanks

Mark

There are automatic systems, AWS and TPWS both reliable devices, it may have been the activation one or both of these system that applied the train brakes and brought the train to an abrupt stop, from the media coverage I have seen the passengers were not disembarked from the train, the unit continued to KX, indicating the suspected cause was not a mechanical defect of the unit.



I suspect the RAIB, ORR will publish there initial finding fairly quickly


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: Electric train on April 18, 2022, 11:58:58

Automatic Protection generally only kicks in if the signal was showing yellow/red lights. Again, reports say the signal was green, so no protection kicked in.

AWS and TPWS have time / speed approach control for reduction in speed this includes diverging routes with reduced speed  reduction


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: JayMac on April 18, 2022, 12:15:57
The late running 1Y16 to Kings Cross, which was booked to stop at PBO p3. It seems the Lumo service was changed to pass via p1 rather than its normal p3.

Yes. And from the Sectional Appendix I see that the line speed for the crossover from the Up Fast to the Up Slow P1 is 30/25mph. The maximum speed for non-stopping trains through P3 on the Up Fast is 105mph.

Diverging routes can be 'approach controlled' where train speed is monitored and TPWS where fitted (Train Protection and Warning System) can make a brake application if the train is approaching an adverse signal too fast. If the route has been cleared for the diverging move then its possible TPWS may not intervene. TPWS is often location specific, not one size fits all. It remains down to the driver for observance of the signal sequence on the approach to the turnout, and to his/her route knowledge for appropriate speeds.

For more details on approach control and signalling of diverging routes:
http://www.davros.org/rail/signalling/articles/junctions.html


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on April 18, 2022, 15:12:58
The late running 1Y16 to Kings Cross, which was booked to stop at PBO p3. It seems the Lumo service was changed to pass via p1 rather than its normal p3.

Whether it was really planned for the Lumo service to make an extra stop, and wait for the delayed LNER one behind it to make its call, will no doubt emerge soon enough. At first sight it seems odd, unless Lumo run a bit slower - but maybe they do. That one (1Y80) was 3 early approaching PBO, but scheduled into KGX at 11:16. 1Y16 got into PBO 22 late at 11:24, and if it kept time from there is would get into KGX at 11:14. So on those grounds it might just make sense. Actually, 1Y16 arrived at 11:19.

A couple of points that have not got much attention:
1. This Lumo train was close behind a slower EMR train, and both close to schedule. So it was not moving at anything like full line speed north of PBO, indeed was timetabled for 23 s from Grantham (pass-pass) - that's about 75 mi/hr.

2. How much braking and distance would it need to stop at Peterborough, which it apparently did, from that speed? Nominal service braking is 1 m/s/s, needing 560 m. It's 530 m from the P3/P1 turnout to the far end of P1, so braking a train's length before that would work, just. Nominal emergency braking is 1.2 m/s/s, needing 460 m. A Lumo unit is about 129 m long.

3. I note this comment from Clarence Yard on railforums (he's in GWR fleet management, but Lumo is a "TOC-lite" so relies on expertise from the rest of First Group):
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For those of you that haven’t experienced an emergency brake application from a relatively high speed on an 800 series unit, it’s completely different to that experienced on an HST or modern EMU. If you are standing up or not sitting securely in your seat, you will be at risk. Luggage will move too, depending on size and how it is stowed.

I guess that implies that, with good adhesion, the combination of regenerative (traction motor) and friction braking can manage significantly more than 1.2 m/s/s - even from high speeds, where older high-speed trains struggle. Mind you, this was not really from high speed.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: eightf48544 on April 18, 2022, 16:16:10
If someone could give a quick explanation of how the railway manages locations on fast lines but which have two differing approach speeds (e.g. one for "Straight on" and another for "turn left") depending on circumstancesis near

This can be done in several ways and is quite complicated.

1. Holding the junction signal at red until the train is nearly upon it when it changes to a proced aspect.   This occurs at many places one example being Dolphin junction on the down main when a train is routed Down main (125 mph) to Down Relief via 40 mph points. The driver picks up a double yellow East of  Langley station signal 483 TVSC and a single yellow just West of the station signal 489 the junction signal 501 changing to a proceed aspect with 45 degree feathers as train approaches and the is route set. The driver has to be prepared to stop at 501 in case there's something coming on the Up Main in which case the route won't be set so if they SPAD 501 there's no collision. it's called Approach control.

The next 2 are describe in: https://www.jonroma.net/media/rail/opdocs/world/uk/RS521%20Iss%205.pdf (https://www.jonroma.net/media/rail/opdocs/world/uk/RS521%20Iss%205.pdf) by the RSSB.

2. Flashing signals basically the signal before the junction signal flashes if a slower speed route is to be taken. Signal 523 Down Relief at Slough flashes if  next sigal 529 is st for Down Main. Miss reading the flashing signals led to the Colwich accident.

3 Splitting distants where by there are two signal heads  the the main plus a secondary on the side of the juction. Signal 271 on the Down Main at Southall West is a splitting distane for Airport Jn 285 at Hayes.

Which system  was in use at Peterborough I don't know.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 18, 2022, 18:22:37
Just a slight correction to eight’s post - you can now get flashing aspects from down main to down relief at dolphin as well.  TPWS and TPWS+ greatly assist in preventing incidents, and on the GWML you still have ATP as well of course.

It’ll be interesting to read the RAIB report (or perhaps it’ll just be a safety digest?) to see what happened.  Good to see the train stayed on the rails though and the injuries were all minor.

A safety margin over crossings is built in of course.  I was told that a train would take a crossing at half the speed again of it’s line speed.  So a 40mph crossing would be safe at 60mph (though give quite a jolt).  I have no idea as to how accurate that is.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: DaveHarries on April 18, 2022, 18:53:16
Timings on RTT for the 0820 Newcastle - Kings Cross (1Y80) show that it was 4 minutes early at New England North Jcn (passed 1017, scheduled 1021) but was 40 late through Peterborough and then took 46 minutes from Peterborough to Fletton Jcn (scheduled to take ½ minute). One possibility I would have suggested, if it hadn't already been commented that the signal was green, would have been an Adverse Change Of Aspect on the signal.

I will be interested to see what the RAIB report says on this one.

Dave


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: Electric train on April 18, 2022, 19:34:26
The Peterborough area was re-signalled in 2005 with some change since for Thameslink and Werrington Grade Separation, so its a modern SSI signalling system.

Like mentioned already the RAIB report will be interesting


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on April 18, 2022, 19:38:32
Timings on RTT for the 0820 Newcastle - Kings Cross (1Y80) show that it was 4 minutes early at New England North Jcn (passed 1017, scheduled 1021) but was 40 late through Peterborough and then took 46 minutes from Peterborough to Fletton Jcn (scheduled to take ½ minute). One possibility I would have suggested, if it hadn't already been commented that the signal was green, would have been an Adverse Change Of Aspect on the signal.

I will be interested to see what the RAIB report says on this one.

Dave

RTT does not show an actual arrival time as there was no scheduled one for a pass. Liverail (for example) shows arrival 1E at 10:21, and departure 82L at 11:44. RTT is actually showing 11:02.5 as a pass time, that being the only slot is has to fill. My guess is that that is a purely fictitious time, produced by averaging the recorded arrival and departure times!

During that hour and a bit at platform, the passengers were all thrown off, and a new driver found from somewhere (KGX, most likely) to take over and remove the train to KGX. Lumo don't serve Peterborough - so presumably passenger management, including checking for injuries and directing them to onward travel options, would have been done by station staff belonging to LNER.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: jamestheredengine on April 18, 2022, 21:03:25
3. I note this comment from Clarence Yard on railforums (he's in GWR fleet management, but Lumo is a "TOC-lite" so relies on expertise from the rest of First Group):
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For those of you that haven’t experienced an emergency brake application from a relatively high speed on an 800 series unit, it’s completely different to that experienced on an HST or modern EMU. If you are standing up or not sitting securely in your seat, you will be at risk. Luggage will move too, depending on size and how it is stowed.

I guess that implies that, with good adhesion, the combination of regenerative (traction motor) and friction braking can manage significantly more than 1.2 m/s/s - even from high speeds, where older high-speed trains struggle. Mind you, this was not really from high speed.

I've been on one that did an emergency stop from reasonably high speed (75mph, I think). Wednesday February 5th, 2020. This was on 1B21, the 1548 Paddington (1742 Cardiff) to Swansea. The guard had checked our tickets after we'd left Cardiff and gone into the kitchen, and we'd got our free wine (glass of red, nice) and thankfully the host had also just made it back into the kitchen with the trolley. We get to the last signal before Pontyclun and I was very glad I had a napkin under my wine to slow its journey across the table enough for me to catch it (could have been messy!). We came to a stop with First Class short of the platform at Pontyclun – very impressive. No sooner had we come to a stop than the guard emerges from the kitchen muttering "this isn't good at all", followed by a louder "is everyone okay?" What it turned out had happened was that there was a thankfully totally incompetent "distressed person" on the line in front of TfW's stationary stopping service at Pencoed (there was a steel train between them and us (yes, brilliant work from the signallers there...) – hence the quite so awkward location for an emergency stop – the natural worry there is that that's the signal where you'd find out that something had gone awry with the barriers at Llantrisant West Level Crossing, but the front of the train wouldn't have reached that). We had about a 40-minute delay as the police persuaded the distressed person to leave the railway. Everything was all right in the end (and we all got seconds of wine). But the rate at which that stopped was truly staggering.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on May 11, 2022, 18:55:28
RAIB have - a bit later than you'd expect - announced an enquiry into this incident:
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At around 10:20 hrs on 17 April 2022, the 08:20 hrs Newcastle to King’s Cross service, operated by Lumo, passed over three sets of points at the north end of Peterborough station at a speed of 75 mph (121 km/h). This was above the maximum permitted speed limit for these points of 25 mph (40 km/h). Passing over the points at this speed meant that the train suddenly lurched sideways.

The sudden movement of the train resulted in some passengers being thrown from their seats and in luggage falling from the overhead storage in the passenger compartments. This resulted in a number of minor injuries being sustained by passengers. The train subsequently came to a stand beyond the far end of Peterborough station. The train did not derail during the incident, and no damage was caused to the infrastructure of the railway, or to the vehicles involved.

The train involved in the incident was not due to call at Peterborough and had originally been approaching the station on a fast line, before being routed onto a slower line via the points where the overspeed occurred. The route onto this slower line was being displayed on the signal situated on the approach to the points.

Our investigation will seek to identify the sequence of events which led to this incident. It will include consideration of:

    the way in which the train was driven
    any factors which may have influenced the actions of the driver of the train
    the condition of the signalling system at the time of the incident
    the nature of the reported injuries
    any underlying management factors.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on May 25, 2023, 16:57:18
RAIB have - a bit later than you'd expect - announced an enquiry into this incident:

RAIB have now issued some "urgent" safety advice (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/urgent-safety-advice-022023-overspeeding-through-spital-junction/urgent-safety-advice-022023-overspeeding-through-spital-junction), following that Lumo incident and a strikingly similar one for a GC train earlier this month. It all comes down one of those complicated signalling issues to do with flashing yellow aspects for turnouts, but the potential - and actual - results are far from subtle.
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Urgent Safety Advice 02/2023: Overspeeding through Spital Junction
Published 25 May 2023


1. Safety issue

Suitable arrangements may not be in place to mitigate the risk of trains travelling southbound through Spital Junction at excessive speeds when signalled from the Up Fast line onto the Up Slow lines at Peterborough station.

P468 signal, which controls this junction, is located 700 metres on the approach to the point of divergence. The signal is fitted with a position light junction indicator informing drivers of their signalled route. Under certain circumstances, the signal clears from red as a train approaches when a diverging route is set. The maximum permitted speed through the diverging junction is initially 30 mph (48 km/h), before reducing further to 25 mph (40 km/h).

Drivers who rarely experience being routed towards the slow lines when approaching Peterborough station from the north, and whose trains are not scheduled to stop at the station, may develop an expectation that their train will remain on the Up Fast line and miss some of the information provided at P468 signal when their train is being signalled onto the diverging route.

In these circumstances the distance from which a proceed aspect on P468 signal can be seen by approaching trains, and the distance from the signal to the junction, is sufficient to result in some trains being able to accelerate to speeds which could lead to derailment by overturning when passing through the junction.

2. Safety advice

Duty holders should take immediate steps, either operationally, or by technical means, to mitigate this risk.

3. Issued to:

Network Rail and transport undertakings who operate trains on the East Coast Main Line through Peterborough station.

4. Background

On 17 April 2022, the driver of a Lumo service from Newcastle to London King’s Cross did not observe and react to the junction indicator on P468 signal which showed that the train was being signalled towards the slow lines at Spital Junction. Believing that his train was going to stay on the Up Fast line, he accelerated the train towards the junction and passed over it at 76 mph (122 km/h) instead of the 30 mph (48 km/h) maximum permitted speed.

On 4 May 2023, the driver of a Grand Central service from Sunderland to London King’s Cross did not observe and react to the junction indicator on P468 signal which showed that the train was being signalled towards the slow lines at Spital Junction. Believing that his train was to stay on the Up Fast line, he accelerated his train towards the junction and passed over it at 65 mph (105 km/h).

(If you look at the timeline of RAIB's outputs you'll see why I put quotes round "urgent".)


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on June 07, 2023, 10:44:08
RAIB have today announced an investigation (https://www.gov.uk/government/news/train-overspeeding-incident-at-spital-junction-peterborough) into the second overspeed incident (of a GC train on 4th May 2023). The statement refers to the earlier incident, and the urgent safety notice, but does not say anything about the investigations being combined, or even that the second one will rely heavily on the first.
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Station CCTV image of the train slowing down at Peterborough platform 1 following the overspeeding incident (courtesy of LNER).

At around 13:00 hrs on 4 May 2023, the 09:54 hrs Sunderland to King’s Cross service, operated by Grand Central, passed over three sets of points at Spital Junction on the northern approach to Peterborough station at a speed of around 65 mph (104 km/h). This was above the maximum permitted speed over the junction which is initially 30 mph (48 km/h) reducing to 25 mph (40 km/h).

The excessive speed over the points led to the train lurching sideways. This resulted in a number of minor injuries being sustained by passengers, with some being thrown from their seats.

The train subsequently came to a stand at Peterborough station under emergency braking. The train did not derail during the incident, and subsequent inspections found that no damage was caused to the infrastructure of the railway, or to the vehicles.

The train involved in the incident was not due to call at Peterborough. It had been approaching the station on a fast line, before being routed onto a slower line via the points where the overspeed occurred. The route onto this slower line was being displayed by the junction signal situated on the approach to the points.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on July 10, 2023, 14:11:30
The RAIB report into the Lumo overspeeding incident (https://www.gov.uk/raib-reports/report-06-slash-2023-train-overspeeding-at-spital-junction) has just been published:
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Report 06/2023: Train overspeeding at Spital Junction

Train overspeeding at Spital Junction, Peterborough, 17 April 2022.

Summary

At around 10:20 hrs on 17 April 2022, the 08:20 hrs Lumo service from Newcastle to London King’s Cross, passed over three sets of points at Spital Junction at the northern approach to Peterborough station at excessive speed. The maximum permitted speed over the junction is initially 30 mph (48 km/h) reducing to 25 mph (40 km/h). The data recorder from the train indicated that the points had been traversed at a speed of 76 mph (122 km/h).

The speed of the train over the junction resulted in sudden sideways movements of the coaches. This led to some passengers being thrown from their seats and luggage falling from the overhead storage, with some passengers receiving minor injuries. Although the train did not derail, and no damage was caused, post-incident analysis has indicated that the train was close to a speed that would have led to it overturning, and it was likely that some of the wheels of the vehicles lifted off the rails.

RAIB’s investigation found that the overspeeding was caused by the driver of train 1Y80 not reacting appropriately to the signal indication they had received on approach to the junction. This signal indication was a warning that the train was to take a diverging route ahead which had a lower speed limit than the straight-ahead route which they were expecting to take. The driver’s awareness of the signal conditions that could be presented on approach to this junction and their training were not sufficient to overcome this expectation.

RAIB found that Lumo had not assessed and controlled the risk associated with trains being unexpectedly routed on a slower, diverging route at this location and that it had not adequately trained the driver to prepare for this eventuality. Network Rail had also neither assessed nor effectively controlled the risk of overspeeding at locations where there is a long distance between the protecting signal and the junction itself. The investigation also found that half of the passenger injuries were as a result of falling luggage that had been stowed in the overhead luggage racks.
Recommendations

RAIB has made four recommendations. The first recommendation is for Lumo to review its processes to ensure that it effectively controls the risk of overspeeding at diverging junctions. The second recommendation asks Network Rail to identify junctions where there is a greater potential for overspeeding to occur and to work with operators to share information on the associated risks. The third recommendation asks Network Rail and train operators to consider and implement risk control measures at those junctions identified in the second recommendation. The fourth recommendation is intended to ensure that Lumo minimises the risks from falling luggage on its services.

RAIB has also identified two learning points. These relate to the need for drivers to maintain alertness when approaching junction signals and that train operator emergency plans should specifically include processes to deal with the aftermath of overspeeding incidents.
May 2023 overspeeding incident

At around 13:00 hrs on 4 May 2023, another overspeeding incident occurred at the same location involving a Grand Central service. As a result, RAIB issued urgent safety advice to the industry and announced its intention to investigate this second incident. Further details can be found at paragraph 195 of this report.

Published 10 July 2023


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2023, 14:15:01
Simulator training insufficiently detailed for that stretch of track?


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: bradshaw on July 10, 2023, 17:47:10
What surprised me was that the signal could clear from red directly to green with that diverging route having such a low speed restriction. I feel that there might be a case to hold the advanced signal on platform one at red until P468 had been passed.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on July 10, 2023, 17:50:57
Simulator training insufficiently detailed for that stretch of track?

Not exactly. Lumo didn't use a simulator for that purpose (gaining experience of all the things the signals might do at a given place), and indeed have never had one of their own.

But I'm afraid this one is so complicated that reading the whole report is a necessary condition of making a meaningful comment on it. Sorry about that!


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2023, 17:58:23
In that case, 3 stills from the CCTV?....

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1dG7mB.img?w=612&h=439&m=6)

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1dGbKU.img?w=612&h=435&m=6)

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1dG9K2.img?w=612&h=451&m=6)


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: Electric train on July 10, 2023, 21:20:24
At first I thought surely TPWS would have prevented this, it is interesting to read in the report of an exception NR has in place.

Crudely in my simplistic view there were 2 factors came into play human error, the driver training / route knowledge, and the lack of and automated system to reduce human error, TPWS.


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: stuving on July 10, 2023, 23:16:26
Cases like this make me think of how signalling is always designed to fail safe wherever possible, but the signalling does nothing in the real world until the train driver acts on it. And that driver can't be made to fail safe; here we are back to procedural safety rather than engineered or inherent safety.

ETCS/ERTMS will be a big step up in this area, so it's a pity that (as this report reminds us) something that it was hoped would be on all high-speed main lines by 2010 is still .... very much not. And its first big implementation, here on the ECML, they now say will be in 2029 at the earliest. High-speed, eh?


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 11, 2023, 08:55:53
We do of course have the ageing ATP on the busiest and fastest parts of the GWML, even if it’s a bit ‘windy’.  Though the similar system on Chiltern has now been switched off


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: paul7575 on July 11, 2023, 11:09:59
NR have temporarily modified the signal sequence since though, (report paragraph 198), now if the route is set through one of the various junctions the driver will only see a yellow, so shouldn’t accelerate to full speed.

As it was before when the approach control to a red was used the signal then went straight to green.  (As mentioned by Bradshaw in his post #21 yesterday.)  So it looks like a relatively straightforward change was possible.

Paul


Title: Re: Emergency stop - 08:20 Newcastle to London (Lumo) 17.4.2022
Post by: Electric train on July 11, 2023, 13:38:38
RIAB youtube video detailing the sequence of events  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3D4m9--2h0



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