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All across the Great Western territory => The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom => Topic started by: TaplowGreen on May 20, 2022, 07:24:50



Title: Scotrail
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 20, 2022, 07:24:50
Nationalised rail going well in Scotland..............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61497155


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2022, 09:28:49
Last direct train from Mallaig to Glasgow leaves at 0603! The earliest ‘last train’ in record?


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: bobm on May 20, 2022, 09:47:07
Just pips the 06:11 Swindon to Southampton Central.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 20, 2022, 09:57:54
What about the 00:30 Preston to Fort William?  ;)


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2022, 10:13:06
That’s only a part-journey, and a sleeper service


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: Electric train on May 20, 2022, 10:25:12
It's quite posible that Scotland has reached this point a few weeks ahead of England.  There are a number of industrial action ballots being conducted by the various Unions at the moment


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: broadgage on May 20, 2022, 10:25:31
If we are serious about the climate emergency, then rail travel for both leisure and commuting needs to be encouraged, and car use discouraged.

This sort of thing will encourage driving. Commuters having purchased a car and paid the fixed costs of ownership may find that petrol costs compare favourably with train fares.

And for holiday travel, you can go out for the day, but can not get back !

The well reported problems at major airports SHOULD be a chance to encourage holidays in the UK. Instead look at this shambles.

Elsewhere on these fora we have seen the poor performance of GWR, and the withdrawal of alternative services once offered by SWR into traditional GWR territory.

Scotrail are now doing as badly.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2022, 10:44:33
Did you read the article? They’ve cut services as drivers are taking industrial action short of a strike & thus availability has reduced. Surely better to have a timetable thats guaranteed than one that has cancellations across every day?


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 20, 2022, 10:53:23
Elsewhere on these fora we have seen the poor performance of GWR, and the withdrawal of alternative services once offered by SWR into traditional GWR territory.

Scotrail are now doing as badly.

I’ve travelled fairly extensively over the past few months, on many operators, and the pattern is clear.  Some operators are still running a much reduced service with few cancellations but I suspect could run many more most of the time, and some (like GWR) are almost back to normal service levels but tend to struggle with more cancellations, especially at weekends.

Which is the best option is open to debate.

If any operator has a similar ‘action short of a strike’ situation, then further temporary cuts will be likely.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: grahame on May 20, 2022, 11:53:51
What about the 00:30 Preston to Fort William?  ;)

00:15 Glasgow Queens Street to London Euston is even earlier ...

That’s only a part-journey, and a sleeper service

It's a full journey as far as the customer is concerned and we keep saying it's about customer experience!


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: Timmer on May 20, 2022, 12:20:22
It's quite posible that Scotland has reached this point a few weeks ahead of England.  There are a number of industrial action ballots being conducted by the various Unions at the moment
This is what I’m very concerned about. I think we all know which way next week’s RMT ballot result is going to look like  :'(


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: broadgage on May 20, 2022, 12:48:20
Did you read the article? They’ve cut services as drivers are taking industrial action short of a strike & thus availability has reduced. Surely better to have a timetable thats guaranteed than one that has cancellations across every day?

Yes I did read the article. The average customer cares little if the problem is caused by industrial action, faulty trains, wind, rain or something else. They simply know that the railway is an unreliable mode of transport.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2022, 16:06:39
As are most modes right now - cf BA and Easyjet....Stagecoach buses


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 20, 2022, 16:56:42
It's quite posible that Scotland has reached this point a few weeks ahead of England.  There are a number of industrial action ballots being conducted by the various Unions at the moment
This is what I’m very concerned about. I think we all know which way next week’s RMT ballot result is going to look like  :'(

It would be an act of utter folly for the RMT to call the strike which they are clearly spoiling for - much of their leverage has traditionally been based on the ability to bring London to a halt - now, there is far more scope for people to work from home either as part of their routine or as a contingency, perhaps in exactly this type of circumstance - indeed it's now a significant part of the landscape.

What they will succeed in doing of course is preventing essential workers, particularly less well paid and other blue collar staff from getting to work - nurses and the like - and driving leisure travellers away from rail and back to the road.

If they want a summer of discontent, they'll get it, and it may well prove to be their swansong. There will be zero public sympathy and the Government will be very grateful for the distraction of a left wing Union stealing the headlines from their own disasters.

It's difficult to think of a more boneheaded, short sighted example of bad timing.........except perhaps for the Miners strike, and we all know how that finished.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: broadgage on May 20, 2022, 17:32:12
Not just the miners strike, but does anyone remember Jack Dash, communist leader of the London dock workers
? Famous for strikes, and a believer that the nation could not manage without his members.

The result was the closure of the traditional London docks, with trade transferred to modern, non union, container ports.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 20, 2022, 17:57:08
What about the 00:30 Preston to Fort William?  ;)
00:15 Glasgow Queens Street to London Euston is even earlier ...

That’s stretching the ‘rules’ too far, surely?  ;)


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: ellendune on May 20, 2022, 19:22:45
Not just the miners strike, but does anyone remember Jack Dash, communist leader of the London dock workers
? Famous for strikes, and a believer that the nation could not manage without his members.

The result was the closure of the traditional London docks, with trade transferred to modern, non union, container ports.

I am not sure you have demonstrated cause and effect here. The move to modern container ports was already happening and London did not have the space or transport links to make that work. 


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: GBM on May 20, 2022, 19:33:02
Sort of feeling we're straying off topic from Scotrail  ???


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: Trowres on May 20, 2022, 21:01:11
Surely all the trains withdrawn are duplicates of others running between the same stations ?  ::)


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 21, 2022, 07:58:07
Sort of feeling we're straying off topic from Scotrail  ???

Only insofar as it's chaos on Scotrail today, but the rest of the UK too shortly if the RMT have their way, to which others in the thread have alluded.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: grahame on May 21, 2022, 08:08:05
Surely all the trains withdrawn are duplicates of others running between the same stations ?  ::)

Indeed - there's a perfectly good train from Mallaig to Glasgow at 06:03 - what more do you want?


Seriously though, you can travel from Mallaig to Glasgow later in the day with a change of trains, rather than having to "overnight" in Mallaig off the Small Isles ferry - https://www.calmac.co.uk/article/2983/Small-Isles-Mallaig---Eigg---Muck---Rum---Canna . A high proportion of islanders using this service do not have cars on the mainland and public transport is key for them when they have to get to Fort William, Glasgow or beyond.


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: GBM on May 21, 2022, 09:17:38
Sort of feeling we're straying off topic from Scotrail  ???

Only insofar as it's chaos on Scotrail today, but the rest of the UK too shortly if the RMT have their way, to which others in the thread have alluded.
Perhaps a new topic - "Disruption on the rails" which covers all regions/lines/unions/infrastructure managers ::)


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 21, 2022, 09:58:54
Sort of feeling we're straying off topic from Scotrail  ???

Only insofar as it's chaos on Scotrail today, but the rest of the UK too shortly if the RMT have their way, to which others in the thread have alluded.
Perhaps a new topic - "Disruption on the rails" which covers all regions/lines/unions/infrastructure managers ::)

Perhaps worth waiting for the outcome of the RMT Ballot?

"Now is the summer of our Discontent" has a ring to it?  ;)

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/plans-being-drawn-up-in-effort-to-stave-off-chaos-of-biggest-rail-strike-in-mode/?fbclid=IwAR1TY6p_0GPTHtaZatsDOOD-vz2jp7vWV9uSfpk9UZXI_GqI5bQl-VHNTkU


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 23, 2022, 07:19:43
Back to Scotrail - being discussed on BBC Breakfast now

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61542482?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA


Title: Re: Scotrail
Post by: Marlburian on May 26, 2022, 21:09:26
Pregnant woman catches Covid after being jammed onto packed train due to ScotRail cancellations (https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/pregnant-woman-catches-covid-after-27075003)

(The same link leads to a couple of other Scotrail-cuts stories.)



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