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Title: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 07, 2022, 12:46:51
https://www.gwr.com/stations-and-destinations/travel-inspiration/festivals-and-events/boardmasters-festival (https://www.gwr.com/stations-and-destinations/travel-inspiration/festivals-and-events/boardmasters-festival)

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When is Boardmasters Festival?
Boardmasters is taking place at Fistral Beach in Newquay from 10 to 14 August 2022.

What to expect at Boardmasters Festival
Boardmasters Festival is the UK’s biggest surf and music festival. Set across two stunning sites in the lively and picturesque coastal town of Newquay, Cornwall, the festival brings together like-minded souls with a love of music, surfing, wellbeing and the outdoors.

Over 200 artists play across 12 stages up at Watergate Bay. From international headliners through to breaking acts, the bill is an eclectic mix of genres. There’s something here for everyone. Headliners this year include George Ezra, Disclosure and Kings of Leon.

As well as the competitions, 300 miles of spectacular Cornish coastline offers amazing beaches and spots to discover. Festival goers are encouraged to hit the beach and surf by day, party by night.

Be aware of GWR’s surfboard policy. Surfboards are not allowed on board our mainline IET trains. You can still take surfboards on our Night Riviera Sleeper and local services.

Industrial action Saturday 13 August
Strike action by the train drivers’ union, Aslef, will mean there are no train services in Cornwall on Saturday 13 August. Train services will also be disrupted on Sunday 14 August. Journey planners are still being updated so please check your journey just before you intend to travel.

Things to see and do in Newquay
Getting to Boardmasters couldn’t be easier. First, hop on a train to Newquay station. Once you’ve arrived in Newquay, there will be shuttle busses from just outside the station. If you’re heading to Watergate Bay, get on the bus outside the Great Western Hotel, for Fistral outside Burger King. Reservations are recommended on trains to Newquay on Wednesday 10, Thursday 11, and Friday 12 August. Reservations are mandatory on trains from Newquay on Monday 15 August.

Please note:
surfboards cannot be taken on long distance trains and local hire is recommended

wheeled cases are allowed but four-wheel trolleys and sack trucks will not be

Those travelling should:
allow extra time because trains to and from Newquay will be busy
expect queues
get to the station at least 30 minutes before your reserved train is due to depart



Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Mark A on August 07, 2022, 19:29:13
Interesting collision of 'It couldn't be easier' with 'There's disruption from industrial action, and remember we don't accept surfboards.'

I wonder how many surfboards would fit in an IEP kitchen? :-)

Mark


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Ralph Ayres on August 07, 2022, 22:40:36
There does seem to be a degree of making it up as they go along to deal with a specific problem for this event.  It's perhaps surprising that they don't apply more restrictions for travel to Glastonbury Festival as the amount some people carry must really slow down loading and unloading and overload the luggage racks.  The general National Rail rules refer to an additional charge for "Each article exceeding one metre in any dimension that can be carried by one person"; GWR seem prepared to accept longer articles at no charge on some trains but a fuller explanation of how to work out which trains do take surfboards would have been useful for the target audience.  Most trains to Newquay are local trains, surely, so it's the mainline leg that's the problem.  Ironically the "Castle" HSTs probably come under the local train description.
 
London Underground incidentally is normally happy to allow objects up to 2 metres long according to its Conditions of Carriage.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: grahame on August 08, 2022, 12:20:52
Interesting collision of 'It couldn't be easier' with 'There's disruption from industrial action, and remember we don't accept surfboards.'

Indeed - it COULD be easier if, for example, there was no industrial action, no ban on surfboards on some trains but not others, and if a walkup ticket valid for the route and day could be used to walk up and travel the route that day.

Even I had some trouble working out how I would travel from London with my surfboard. "From London, passengers with surfboards should travel from Waterloo via Salisbury to Exeter, and change there into a train that starts at Exeter or comes from the Bristol direction.   If that's too slow or awkward, why not drive?"   Sorry - GWR - your web page smacks of 1984 doublespeak and 38 years after that, it feels like time to put all the customers and the environment ahead of cherry picking the business.   The railway as a common carrier of people and the luggage they can reasonably carry.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: broadgage on August 08, 2022, 12:55:28
How long until carriage of surfboards on Waterloo to Exeter services is prohibited ?
Or perhaps it would be simpler to prohibit surfboards on all trains.
Drive instead, the climate emergency is now very last year.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Mark A on August 08, 2022, 14:08:54

London Underground incidentally is normally happy to allow objects up to 2 metres long according to its Conditions of Carriage.

Other accompanied luggage aside, how else would people be expected to transport double basses.

Mark


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 08, 2022, 22:25:28
Next Monday I’m on standby 0800-2000 with a coach at Newquay rail station, so appears some contingencies have been planned by GWR.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 09, 2022, 08:33:37

London Underground incidentally is normally happy to allow objects up to 2 metres long according to its Conditions of Carriage.

Other accompanied luggage aside, how else would people be expected to transport double basses.

Mark

A colleague's daughter plays the double bass in an orchestra who perform internationally and you would not believe (well, you probably would!) the hassle involved.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 09, 2022, 12:50:46
Day before Boardmasters starts, outstanding!

Cancellations on the branch too.


09:04 London Paddington to Newquay due 14:17 was terminated at Plymouth.
It will no longer call at Saltash, St Germans, Liskeard, Bodmin Parkway, Par and Newquay.
This is due to a points failure.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: grahame on August 10, 2022, 21:17:35
From Devon Live (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/stacked-boardmasters-trains-mean-festival-7448243)

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Festival goers are heading to Boardmasters in Newquay today (10 August) from all over the country - some even travelling from London. However there is a huge demand for trains with some people describing Plymouth Railway Station as "chaos" - despite people having pre-booked tickets.

We spoke to groups of friends and families who have been left stuck at Plymouth's station, many who have travelled from afar from places like London and Sussex for the festival. Many passengers were outside the station with their camping luggage in the heat, desperate to find transport to Newquay.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: broadgage on August 11, 2022, 04:33:19
Appalling service, even those with booked seats being turned away. We have long known that bookings are automatically voided on half length trains, it would appear that this now applies to popular events also.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: infoman on August 11, 2022, 06:08:56
Some film footage was shown on the BBC Spotlight local news for the south west of England on Wednesday.

It appears as if if they were checking tickets on leaving the station.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 11, 2022, 07:10:56
Same story every year.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/stacked-boardmasters-trains-mean-festival-7448243


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Mark A on August 11, 2022, 08:02:13
The Newquay branch. I don't know it. Is it a 20 mile single line with no passing places and a single terminating platform? To a town of 20,000, but one that can see 80,000 visitors at a time?

That's a recipe for unending pain, why is the railway bothering? (Or rather, why are the politicians pretending that  that's ok, 'cos the Newquay branch sounds to be a 1960s slash-and-burn relic.)

TSNO, the four letter acronym for 'Train Service in Name Only'.

Mark


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: grahame on August 11, 2022, 08:18:56
The Newquay branch. I don't know it. Is it a 20 mile single line with no passing places and a single terminating platform? To a town of 20,000, but one that can see 80,000 visitors at a time?

That's a recipe for unending pain, why is the railway bothering? (Or rather, why are the politicians pretending that  that's ok, 'cos the Newquay branch sounds to be a 1960s slash-and-burn relic.)

TSNO, the four letter acronym for 'Train Service in Name Only'.

Mark

Almost - there is a passing place at Goonbarrow Junction, and it may be double (not sure) first couple of miles from Par to St Blazey.

The midCornwall Metro is looking at adding another loop and a second platform at Newquay. So perhaps the political types are NOT pretending it's OK


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Witham Bobby on August 11, 2022, 09:44:44

Almost - there is a passing place at Goonbarrow Junction, and it may be double (not sure) first couple of miles from Par to St Blazey.

You're right about the two-track section from Par to St Blazey

Capacity on the branch is severely constrained by the (lack of) infrastructure.  Reduction of Newquay to  a single platform in 1987 and abolition of St Dennis Junction as a passing loop (1982??) are cutbacks that have proved costly during the summer months in terms of operations, and which really could do with being reversed


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 11, 2022, 10:46:48
Some views of the out of use second platform at Newquay over the years.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/nqyplat.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/nqyplat2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/nqyplat3.jpg)

It doesn't look as though the existing platform at Newquay was built out and the track slewed when the second one was taken out of use.   That's not to say it won't be expensive to re-instate it!


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: grahame on August 11, 2022, 11:48:41
Here is what was done on summer Saturdays in the late 1960s ...

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/nqy_68_a.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/nqy_68_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Mark A on August 11, 2022, 13:14:13
Thanks for digging that out. The timetable notes are particularly rewarding.

Mark


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Witham Bobby on August 11, 2022, 13:35:16

It doesn't look as though the existing platform at Newquay was built out and the track slewed when the second one was taken out of use.   That's not to say it won't be expensive to re-instate it!

The platform currently in use as a dead-end has two faces, iirc.  I know it's not easy, but it wouldn't be an insoluble challenge to have track on both sides.  Control of the pointwork would be the most tricky question, I suspect


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: RichardB on August 11, 2022, 13:53:08
The Newquay branch. I don't know it. Is it a 20 mile single line with no passing places and a single terminating platform? To a town of 20,000, but one that can see 80,000 visitors at a time?

That's a recipe for unending pain, why is the railway bothering? (Or rather, why are the politicians pretending that  that's ok, 'cos the Newquay branch sounds to be a 1960s slash-and-burn relic.)

TSNO, the four letter acronym for 'Train Service in Name Only'.

Mark

Almost - there is a passing place at Goonbarrow Junction, and it may be double (not sure) first couple of miles from Par to St Blazey.

The midCornwall Metro is looking at adding another loop and a second platform at Newquay. So perhaps the political types are NOT pretending it's OK

Absolutely, Graham, in fact no-one ("political types" or railway) is pretending the Newquay line is OK as it is now, hence, as you say, the Mid Cornwall Metro project which Cornwall Council have been pursuing for more than ten years.  As mentioned in the thread specifically about it, things are looking positive with two good looking routes to the funding - Restoring Your Railway and Levelling Up Funds.

It's only three-quarters of a mile from Par to St Blazey.

I know the GWR team who plan GWR's response to special events.  They are very experienced and do their absolute best with the resources and capacity (train and physical) available.  Hopefully the rest of Boardmasters rail-wise will go better than yesterday.    Always tough though when trains between London and Cornwall are very, very busy already.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: RichardB on August 11, 2022, 13:54:48
Some views of the out of use second platform at Newquay over the years.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/nqyplat.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/nqyplat2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/nqyplat3.jpg)

It doesn't look as though the existing platform at Newquay was built out and the track slewed when the second one was taken out of use.   That's not to say it won't be expensive to re-instate it!

As I understand it, Bob, the plan is to reinstate the other side of the operational platform if the funding comes through.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 11, 2022, 23:05:09
1N78 and 1A94 discovered on Wednesday that two 9 cars IETs can’t fit past each other in one of the passing loops. Resulted in 1N78 reversing back off the branch and 45 min late arrivals


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: chopper1944 on August 12, 2022, 08:44:10
All the more reason to double the line between Tregoss Moor and St Dennis Junction, which I believe is planned,


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Mark A on August 12, 2022, 09:17:36
1N78 and 1A94 discovered on Wednesday that two 9 cars IETs can’t fit past each other in one of the passing loops. Resulted in 1N78 reversing back off the branch and 45 min late arrivals

Speechless.

Mark


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Witham Bobby on August 12, 2022, 11:48:20
Hitachi say a 9 car Azuma train is 234m long.  The current version of the Sectional Appendix says the length of the crossing loop at Goonbarrow Jcn is 224m.  Ooops.

Goonbarrow Junction crossing loop used to be shown as 42 wagons + engine and van, which I reckon would convert to over 270m, so there has been some shrinkage since the 1970s


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 12, 2022, 11:59:15
Was it Goonbarrow?  I'd heard it was at St Blazey.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: AMLAG on August 12, 2022, 12:10:44

Seems to have been on the double line between Par and St Blazey.
9 car IET EDMUs are scheduled on occasions  to cross at Goonbarrow Jn.

Possibly the NR local MOM (whose regular photos appear on the Cornwall Rly Soc. website and Twitter etc might in due course give an update.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Witham Bobby on August 12, 2022, 12:53:30
No doubt all will become clear in time.  Apologies for jumping the gun


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: grahame on August 12, 2022, 14:13:20
Real Time Trains suggests they were scheduled to pass each other between Par and St Blazey.

1A94 left Newquay on time at 14:55, and indeed Goonbarrow, on time but picked up a delay of well over half an hour between there are St Blazey where it called at 16:15 / 16:16 versus a schedule of 15:37 / 15:38

1N78 left Par on time at 15:31, but didn't call at St Blazey until 16:11 to 16:17, versus a schedule of 15:33 / 15:39. It trailed into Newquay 44 minutes late at 17:06.   It set off back at 17:25 (versus a 16:50 schedule) ...


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: stuving on August 12, 2022, 15:12:51
Real Time Trains suggests they were scheduled to pass each other between Par and St Blazey.

1A94 left Newquay on time at 14:55, and indeed Goonbarrow, on time but picked up a delay of well over half an hour between there are St Blazey where it called at 16:15 / 16:16 versus a schedule of 15:37 / 15:38

1N78 left Par on time at 15:31, but didn't call at St Blazey until 16:11 to 16:17, versus a schedule of 15:33 / 15:39. It trailed into Newquay 44 minutes late at 17:06.   It set off back at 17:25 (versus a 16:50 schedule) ...

At the time 1N78 departed Par, 1A94 had already entered the single-line section, but had not had time to reach St Blazey signal box. So the question must be where did 1N78 advance to to await 1A94, and why did wherever it ended up prevent 1A94 passing it?


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: broadgage on August 12, 2022, 18:51:47
1N78 and 1A94 discovered on Wednesday that two 9 cars IETs can’t fit past each other in one of the passing loops. Resulted in 1N78 reversing back off the branch and 45 min late arrivals

Obviously no one could have foreseen that.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: FarWestJohn on August 13, 2022, 19:06:07
Shows the state our railways are in. Too much talk and not enough practical people.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: grahame on August 14, 2022, 21:07:20
Just 4 departures from Newquay today.

Tomorrow ...
Buses to Luxulyan at 07:12, 09:15, 13:10 and 17:19
Trains to Paddington at 07:40, 09:19, 11:18, 13:19, 14:55 and 18:04. 
Trains to Par at 19:45 and 21:34


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 14, 2022, 22:25:11
Just 4 departures from Newquay today.

Tomorrow ...
Buses to Luxulyan at 07:12, 09:15, 13:10 and 17:19
Trains to Paddington at 07:40, 09:19, 11:18, 13:19, 14:55 and 18:04. 
Trains to Par at 19:45 and 21:34

We’ve at least 4 coaches on standby at Newquay rail station tomorrow too.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: RailCornwall on August 16, 2022, 09:53:24
So what's the answer to this now annual problem? Using Par and/or Bodmin Parkway as a staging point for Boardmasters and using road transport for the rest of the journey to/from the Festival? It's clear now that the NQY line isn't robust enough to cope, at least until the Mid Cornwall Metro work is completed.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 16, 2022, 10:57:08
So what's the answer to this now annual problem? Using Par and/or Bodmin Parkway as a staging point for Boardmasters and using road transport for the rest of the journey to/from the Festival? It's clear now that the NQY line isn't robust enough to cope, at least until the Mid Cornwall Metro work is completed.

Sounds like a good idea.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 16, 2022, 11:14:43
The roads don’t sound robust enough to cope either:  https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/boardmasters-road-chaos-starts-music-7445532.amp


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 16, 2022, 15:51:44
Not great news for anyone who'd stayed on in an attempt to avoid the inevitable Sunday/Monday chaos...

11:18 Newquay to London Paddington due 16:29 was terminated at Par and restarted from Plymouth.

It will no longer call at Lostwithiel, Bodmin Parkway, Liskeard, St Germans and Saltash.
This is due to a broken down train.

Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on August 16, 2022, 16:11:19
According to Realtime Trains, the 11:18 from Newquay reached Par at 15:37, some 213 late.

The 09:04 Paddington - Newquay had to wait at Goonbarrow for the 11:18 departure, and reached Newquay at 15:50, some 93 late.

It is now on the return journey, the 14:55 departure from Newquay, but 60 late.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 16, 2022, 16:16:10
Given the late running of the 11:18 I am surprised the 09:04 was sent onto the branch and not held at Par.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: PhilWakely on August 16, 2022, 16:49:39
According to Realtime Trains, the 11:18 from Newquay reached Par at 15:37, some 213 late.

The 09:04 Paddington - Newquay had to wait at Goonbarrow for the 11:18 departure, and reached Newquay at 15:50, some 93 late.

It is now on the return journey, the 14:55 departure from Newquay, but 60 late.

Given the late running of the 11:18 I am surprised the 09:04 was sent onto the branch and not held at Par.

<lifted from a Facebook post.....>
802011 (1A86 11:18 Newquay to Paddington) failed shortly after departure from Newquay.
802114, which was working 1C72 08:04 Paddington to Penzance was terminated at Par and formed 1Z99 to run up the branch and rescue 802011. The combined units then formed 1A86, which was then terminated at Par 213 late. 



Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 16, 2022, 18:04:11
So what's the answer to this now annual problem? Using Par and/or Bodmin Parkway as a staging point for Boardmasters and using road transport for the rest of the journey to/from the Festival? It's clear now that the NQY line isn't robust enough to cope, at least until the Mid Cornwall Metro work is completed.

There was no problem with the rail. There was 10 53 seater coaches on Standby, I was one of them. Every 9 car IeT cleared the queue. 1000 or so people queuing with all their camping kit made the queue look huge.

Bodmin parkway is a no go for road transport in general. Of the 10 coaches on standby yesterday, only 1 of them would fit under the low bridge. PSVAR coaches are typically taller than their non PSVAR cousins. I had a Mk2 Scania Levante (ex national express) and it was marked 12’9. Par is not the best place due to lack of off Road space for coaches to park so we’d end up blocking the road.

Had we been used GWR had suggested they’d send us to Tiverton or Exeter to spread the load and give the options of Paignton and Exeter originating trains


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 16, 2022, 18:19:41
<lifted from a Facebook post.....>
802011 (1A86 11:18 Newquay to Paddington) failed shortly after departure from Newquay.
802114, which was working 1C72 08:04 Paddington to Penzance was terminated at Par and formed 1Z99 to run up the branch and rescue 802011. The combined units then formed 1A86, which was then terminated at Par 213 late. 

GWR's first 14 coach IET service?


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 16, 2022, 18:26:25
There was no problem with the rail. There was 10 53 seater coaches on Standby, I was one of them. Every 9 car IeT cleared the queue. 1000 or so people queuing with all their camping kit made the queue look huge.

Bodmin parkway is a no go for road transport in general. Of the 10 coaches on standby yesterday, only 1 of them would fit under the low bridge. PSVAR coaches are typically taller than their non PSVAR cousins. I had a Mk2 Scania Levante (ex national express) and it was marked 12’9. Par is not the best place due to lack of off Road space for coaches to park so we’d end up blocking the road.

Had we been used GWR had suggested they’d send us to Tiverton or Exeter to spread the load and give the options of Paignton and Exeter originating trains

Nice to hear a report from someone actually 'on the ground'.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 16, 2022, 20:20:22
There was no problem with the rail. There was 10 53 seater coaches on Standby, I was one of them. Every 9 car IeT cleared the queue. 1000 or so people queuing with all their camping kit made the queue look huge.

Bodmin parkway is a no go for road transport in general. Of the 10 coaches on standby yesterday, only 1 of them would fit under the low bridge. PSVAR coaches are typically taller than their non PSVAR cousins. I had a Mk2 Scania Levante (ex national express) and it was marked 12’9. Par is not the best place due to lack of off Road space for coaches to park so we’d end up blocking the road.

Had we been used GWR had suggested they’d send us to Tiverton or Exeter to spread the load and give the options of Paignton and Exeter originating trains

Nice to hear a report from someone actually 'on the ground'.

Cornwall live have posted loads of **** all week.
I’ve been on the ground in the bus operations the entire festival.
Queues for shuttle buses reported bad… we had a 85 or 105 seat double decker running every 60-90 seconds. We were loading and going. It would be impossible to go any more frequent. Most of the time we were loading two buses at a time. The main bus stop in use in town can only physically fit two buses at once. We had buses queued up 30 seconds away ready to pounce as soon as a space on the stop became available


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: chuffed on August 17, 2022, 10:25:10
Perhaps the organising commitees of Boardmasters and the Brizzle Bloon Fester could actually talk to each other about NOT holding their events on the same weekend in future years. Then there mght be a fairer share of buses all round.
It was a shame the surfers didnt hang on one more day. The streets of Newquay were awash on Monday!


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 17, 2022, 15:54:28
..and now the beach is taking the brunt.  According to the BBC it is one of those where the overflow from the sewage system has been allowed to run into the sea.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 17, 2022, 16:28:03
I have a childhood memory of Newquay being a whiffy and unpleasant place.  So much so that I’ve not been back since!


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: bobm on August 17, 2022, 17:18:38
Been there a few times recently.  I don't remember an aroma but you have to pick your pubs carefully.


Title: Re: Boardmasters 2022
Post by: old original on August 18, 2022, 08:23:45
I have a childhood memory of Newquay being a whiffy and unpleasant place.  So much so that I’ve not been back since!

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