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Title: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: grahame on September 08, 2022, 07:09:33 pm
Recording the passing of Queen Elizabeth II this afternoon.

A very great deal will be written and spoken over coming hours, days and weeks and I will not presume to write of her in detail as others are more qualified to do so.   I will see, though, add an admiration for the dedication and commitment of the lady herself, carrying on far beyond normal retirement age.  And that admiration transcends our view of monarchy and the position on the role.

Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: bobm on September 08, 2022, 07:32:20 pm
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/gwrqueen.jpg)


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: onthecushions on September 08, 2022, 08:27:14 pm

"Elegance in Action

Despite being well over 80 years old, 6201 Princess Elizabeth is still admired by many who love steam locomotives, for its elegant design, powerful performance abilities and magnificently evocative exhaust sound. Its robustness, sheer guts in hauling huge loads up long gradients and smooth riding qualities have endeared the engine to footplate crews and enthusiast alike. "

What an aptly named Locomotive.

OTC

(courtesy 6201 Princess Elizabeth Society)


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: Electric train on September 08, 2022, 08:47:02 pm
My Queens Platinum Jubilee medal arrived in the post Monday it is sitting here in its box waiting for me to arrange for it to be sent for mounting with my other medals ..............

You know it can sit there on my desk, wait a while before I send it off.

(Just for clarity I have a Cadet Forces commission)

God save the Queen ........... Long live the King


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: 1st fan on September 08, 2022, 10:55:00 pm
I’ve had to do some planning for Her Majesty’s passing for something I’m involved with. It all worked today as it should have done. Despite being conscious of her failing health, it still made me very very sad that she’d died. I’ve got my full black suit, white shirt, black tie for work tomorrow.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: broadgage on September 09, 2022, 05:27:36 am
Union flags on public buildings should be flown at half mast, and many were lowered promptly as soon as the announcement was made. Presumably Union flags on private property should also be flown at half mast, I lowered the flag of a neighbour on hearing the news, as they are away.

But what about other flags ? Thinking here about several families of Ukrainian refugees near me. They normally fly their own national flag, the Union Flag, and a church flag.

They asked me what to do, and I suggested that all three flags be flown at half mast, but is this in fact the correct way to proceed ?  Corrections welcomed.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: Electric train on September 09, 2022, 06:57:56 am
Union flags on public buildings should be flown at half mast, and many were lowered promptly as soon as the announcement was made. Presumably Union flags on private property should also be flown at half mast, I lowered the flag of a neighbour on hearing the news, as they are away.

But what about other flags ? Thinking here about several families of Ukrainian refugees near me. They normally fly their own national flag, the Union Flag, and a church flag.

They asked me what to do, and I suggested that all three flags be flown at half mast, but is this in fact the correct way to proceed ?  Corrections welcomed.

National flags and ensigns flown at half mast is a mark of respect

From Wikipedia "The tradition of flying the flag at half-mast began in the 17th century. According to some sources, the flag is lowered to make room for an "invisible flag of death" flying above".

And the HM Gov website has info https://www.gov.uk/government/news/death-of-her-majesty-the-queen#:~:text=Half%2Dmast%20means%20the%20flag,not%20be%20flown%20at%20all.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: grahame on September 09, 2022, 07:49:37 am
From MyLondon (https://www.mylondon.news/news/queen-route-royal-train-take-24969074)

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After the death of The Queen at Balmoral this afternoon (September 8), Operation Unicorn, the formal plan for what happens if the monarch dies in Scotland, will be beginning to be put into place. It has previously been reported that the Queen's body will be returned to Buckingham Palace on the Royal Train.

If this is confirmed, large crowds can be expected along the route which is likely to be along the classic East Coast Main Line route along the spine of the country. The final part of the route from Hitchin to King's Cross where the train will arrive, was the same route she used later in life when between her homes in London and Sandringham.

The Royal Train procession is expected to be very slow so people along the route can pay homage and share tributes. Level crossings, bridges and embankments are expected to be so overwhelmed with floral tributes that The Guardian reports railway officials plan to send a sweeper train behind to clear and tidy up the tracks behind it.

There will be a high police presence from local police forces and the British Transport Police with part of King's Cross station to be closed off to the public to allow for the Queen's transfer off the train.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: JayMac on September 09, 2022, 09:52:52 am
It's being reported widely this morning that HM The Queen will be returned to London by air. Although there has been no official announcement either way.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: broadgage on September 09, 2022, 12:32:19 pm
It's being reported widely this morning that HM The Queen will be returned to London by air. Although there has been no official announcement either way.

Regretable in my view, rail would almost certainly be greener.
I can understand the use of air transport when HM was gravely ill and relatives wanted to be present urgently, but an extra few hours by rail is now much less important.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: broadgage on September 09, 2022, 12:38:48 pm

National flags and ensigns flown at half mast is a mark of respect

From Wikipedia "The tradition of flying the flag at half-mast began in the 17th century. According to some sources, the flag is lowered to make room for an "invisible flag of death" flying above".

And the HM Gov website has info https://www.gov.uk/government/news/death-of-her-majesty-the-queen#:~:text=Half%2Dmast%20means%20the%20flag,not%20be%20flown%20at%20all.


Thanks for that link. If I have understood correctly, the Ukrainian flag, and also the church flag, count as "unofficial flags" and should therefore be removed and a Union Flag flown at half mast instead, rather than flying the unofficial flags at half mast as is being done.
Have I understood correctly ?


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 09, 2022, 12:46:43 pm
It's being reported widely this morning that HM The Queen will be returned to London by air. Although there has been no official announcement either way.

Regretable in my view, rail would almost certainly be greener.
I can understand the use of air transport when HM was gravely ill and relatives wanted to be present urgently, but an extra few hours by rail is now much less important.

I should imagine the security and logistical costs of using a plane would be a fraction of using the railway?  If rail was chosen, then there's the security risk and personal risks of trespassing as well as potential delay to other services. 

Though using rail would mean many more members of the public would have the chance to pay their respects in person as the train made its way down to London.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 09, 2022, 05:01:04 pm
It's being reported widely this morning that HM The Queen will be returned to London by air. Although there has been no official announcement either way.

Regretable in my view, rail would almost certainly be greener.
I can understand the use of air transport when HM was gravely ill and relatives wanted to be present urgently, but an extra few hours by rail is now much less important.

I should imagine the security and logistical costs of using a plane would be a fraction of using the railway?  If rail was chosen, then there's the security risk and personal risks of trespassing as well as potential delay to other services. 

Though using rail would mean many more members of the public would have the chance to pay their respects in person as the train made its way down to London.

I suspect there were concerns about the undignified scrambling and trespassing similar to those we've seen at appearances by The Flying Scotsman - and security as you say.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: onthecushions on September 10, 2022, 11:19:57 am


.... and the possible replacement bus south from Peterborough.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: broadgage on September 10, 2022, 12:05:40 pm
The date of the Royal funeral is yet to be announced, but it HAS been stated that the day of the funeral will be an additional public holiday.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: grahame on September 10, 2022, 12:13:44 pm
The date of the Royal funeral is yet to be announced, but it HAS been stated that the day of the funeral will be an additional public holiday.

Plans are for ten days after the passing, or the following day if that turns out to be a Sunday.  So that's not 18th but rather 19th September - but I would only describe that as tentative as I write.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: JayMac on September 10, 2022, 05:02:11 pm
It's been confirmed that the funeral will take place on Monday 19th.

Also confirmed that her body will be flown to London, accompanied by The Princess Royal.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2022, 05:58:27 pm
The date of the Royal funeral is yet to be announced, but it HAS been stated that the day of the funeral will be an additional public holiday.

19 September.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: bobm on September 10, 2022, 08:50:11 pm
From the Rail Delivery Group

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  • Rail industry warns that services and stations are likely to be extremely busy over next nine days
  • Some changes to ticketing arrangements related to commemorations of the death of Her Majesty the Queen

The rail industry is working hard to ensure that the public can travel safely to pay their respects to Her Majesty the Queen during the official mourning period and particularly on the day of the funeral, but warns that services and stations are likely to be extremely busy.

Jason Webb, the Rail Delivery Group’s Customer Information Director, said: “Understandably, many people wish to pay their respects to Her Majesty the Queen during this period of national mourning. On the day of the funeral, Monday 19 September, people should plan carefully the timing of their journey home as trains and stations are likely to be extremely busy.”

It will not be possible to view both the funeral in London and travel to Windsor, where Her Majesty the Queen will be laid to rest. People should plan to view one or the other and allow plenty of time to travel to either location.

Mourning period ticketing policy


Anytime, off peak and super off peak ticket holders will be able to get fee-free refunds on tickets which have been purchased before the announcement of Her Majesty the Queen’s death on 8 September. The up to £10 admin fee will be waived. 

Note that the policy of third party retailers and open access operators, including Grand Central, Heathrow Express and First Hull Trains, may differ. See their websites for further information.     

Advance tickets will be refundable in line with the existing “Book with Confidence” scheme, meaning they can be changed or refunded for a voucher up to 6pm the evening before.

This avoids passengers whose plans change or who decide not to travel because of the commemorations of the Queen’s death losing money as a result of changing their journey plans. It will also help to free up capacity on trains which we expect to be very busy during the mourning period due to large numbers wishing to travel to formal events, especially in London.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: bobm on September 11, 2022, 04:36:58 pm
As in many towns and cities today, the proclamation of the Accession of the King was announced on the steps of Swindon Borough Council's offices at lunchtime.  As part of the event the ceremonial mace is held inverted as a mark of respect.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swiproc.jpg)

...before the Union Flag was returned to half mast

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swiproc2.jpg)


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: grahame on September 11, 2022, 07:52:36 pm
As in many towns and cities today, the proclamation of the Accession of the King was announced on the steps of Swindon Borough Council's offices at lunchtime.  As part of the event the ceremonial mace is held inverted as a mark of respect.

Similar proclamation in Melksham - except we're a tier down so were an hour later and we don't have a ceremonial mace.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/procmelk.jpg)


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: Witham Bobby on September 12, 2022, 11:18:33 am
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/gwrqueen.jpg)

Taken by my friend Jack Boskett, I believe.  He tells the story about this day that he got quite a stare of disapproval from HM.  He asked one of the flunkies why this would be; he'd photographed Queen Elizabeth II several times, often at railway events.  He got the reply that it was because of his tan shoes and blue suit combo.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: bobm on September 12, 2022, 12:45:58 pm
Came from GWR but yes I believe he took it.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: broadgage on September 12, 2022, 01:22:54 pm

Taken by my friend Jack Boskett, I believe.  He tells the story about this day that he got quite a stare of disapproval from HM.  He asked one of the flunkies why this would be; he'd photographed Queen Elizabeth II several times, often at railway events.  He got the reply that it was because of his tan shoes and blue suit combo.

"Never brown in town" old chap. Nor blue suits, unless dark navy blue.
Brown shoes are for visiting ones country home, for holiday wear, or perhaps on the golf course. Brown shoes MIGHT be just acceptable in town on a Saturday if only working a half day.
My late grandfather had only one pair of brown shoes, only worn as above they lasted his working life.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: grahame on September 12, 2022, 04:53:56 pm
It's been confirmed that the funeral will take place on Monday 19th.

Also confirmed that her body will be flown to London, accompanied by The Princess Royal.


From the Yorkshire Post (https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/royal-train-rail-industry-insiders-have-explained-why-east-coast-main-line-will-not-be-used-to-transport-queens-coffin-and-when-the-plans-changed-3839694)

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Royal Train: Rail industry insiders have explained why East Coast Main Line will not be used to transport Queen's coffin - and when the plans changed


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 12, 2022, 07:54:57 pm
Understandable.  But a shame.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: broadgage on September 13, 2022, 09:52:18 am
It's been confirmed that the funeral will take place on Monday 19th.

Also confirmed that her body will be flown to London, accompanied by The Princess Royal.


From the Yorkshire Post (https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/royal-train-rail-industry-insiders-have-explained-why-east-coast-main-line-will-not-be-used-to-transport-queens-coffin-and-when-the-plans-changed-3839694)

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Royal Train: Rail industry insiders have explained why East Coast Main Line will not be used to transport Queen's coffin - and when the plans changed

Not able to read the above newspaper report without a subscription, would anyone be able to summarise the reasons for not using the royal train.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: bradshaw on September 13, 2022, 05:15:59 pm
It might be worth searching royal train on Twitter. If you have an Apple device searching royal train on Apple News will bring up a number of items - not available of Android

There is this from the Evening Standard
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/queen-royal-train-balmoral-edinburgh-london-raf-b1025298.html

Or Spectator
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-queen-s-final-journey-should-have-been-by-train


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: stuving on September 13, 2022, 08:15:56 pm
Not able to read the above newspaper report without a subscription, would anyone be able to summarise the reasons for not using the royal train.

Don't be misled by the headline. Really, the "insiders" were just Nigel Harris (Rail magazine editor) and Christian Wolmar (in quotes lifted from The Spectator), retailing industry rumours. No doubt those two are relatively well connected and thus informed, but I was not convinced they knew "it".

I'd got as far as realising that policing a railway line can't be done like a trunk road, and what we've just seen along the A40 bears that our. A crowd on a road can be seen from police vehicles, in advance and escorting, and they (especially the motorbikes) can get to anywhere they are needed. But you just can't do that along a railway.


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 13, 2022, 09:42:57 pm
Not able to read the above newspaper report without a subscription, would anyone be able to summarise the reasons for not using the royal train.

Don't be misled by the headline. Really, the "insiders" were just Nigel Harris (Rail magazine editor) and Christian Wolmar (in quotes lifted from The Spectator), retailing industry rumours. No doubt those two are relatively well connected and thus informed, but I was not convinced they knew "it".

I'd got as far as realising that policing a railway line can't be done like a trunk road, and what we've just seen along the A40 bears that our. A crowd on a road can be seen from police vehicles, in advance and escorting, and they (especially the motorbikes) can get to anywhere they are needed. But you just can't do that along a railway.

Anyone reading Nigel Harris's tweets on the subject over the past week will have seen the froth mouthed near hysteria he's worked himself into on the subject......I believe he was even going to launch a petition!


Title: Re: Passing of Queen Elizabeth II - Rest in Peace, Your Majesty.
Post by: Timmer on September 14, 2022, 06:55:53 am
I think most here would have supported Queen’s coffin to have made the journey to London by train HAD it not been for scenes witnessed on the railway in previous years when certain classic steam locomotives have taken to the rails.

Stuving is absolutely right to highlight just how close the public were prepared to get to the motorcade on the A40 last evening…pretty darn close at some points. Fortunately, all passed without incident. It would have taken only one incident on the railway to have caused big problems, even a fatality. It was simply a risk that couldn’t be taken.

edited to add a missing word.



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