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Title: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: grahame on September 26, 2022, 07:30:05
From a collection of pictures from the Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre ... a couple that are a bit of a mystery - Avon Tyres of Melksham but neither is Melksham.  There are quite a number - these two include rail.   I think I know one of them but not the other and would appreciate help / confirmation so I am not starting with my idea

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/whair1.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/whair2.jpg)


Title: Re: Where was this - Arials from the local history centre
Post by: bradshaw on September 26, 2022, 08:07:48
The bottom on is Bradford on Avon, you can see the lock up on the bridge over the Avon

They also had a factory in Bridgend which might be the other photo but a map comparison might help


Title: Re: Where was this - Arials from the local history centre
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 26, 2022, 08:09:06
Posted whilst I was about to say the same.


Title: Re: Where was this - Arials from the local history centre
Post by: froome on September 26, 2022, 10:46:36
The second is definitely Bradford -on-Avon. You can still see the shape of the town centre as it is now in the photo. The new housing estate that has been built where the Avon Rubber Works site was is worth walking around. It has signs up about its history and includes some memorabilia from that time.

The first definitely isn't Bradford-on-Avon! ;D


Title: Re: Where was this - Arials from the local history centre
Post by: paul7575 on September 26, 2022, 21:59:21
I think the first picture is looking south over Manchester’s now closed Mayfield Station. (ie the picture is taken from a position roughly over Manchester Piccadilly’s approach).  The roof shape is correct for Mayfield, I think what look like gantries over the platforms indicate where part of the original roof had been removed.  Note also the shape of the watercourse compared to the present view. 

Here’s a link to Google Maps overhead Mayfield Station:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/A87A1PDj7p3Gq7QZA?g_st=ic

So that suggests somewhere in shot is a Manchester company that had been taken over by Avon Rubber.  Googling brought up the Graces Guide website, which leads to David Moseley and Sons, of various sites in Ardwick, Manchester, including at Chapelfield Rd:
https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Avon_Rubber_Co

Hope this helps.

(but please Grahame, it’s aerial photography…)


Title: Re: Where was this - Arials from the local history centre
Post by: stuving on September 26, 2022, 23:58:08
Yes, it is Chapelfield,. isn't it? The picture must be after 20th March 1967, the opening date of the Mancunian Way - the dual carriageway - along Tipping Street. It does still look new and shiny, though, with infilled clearance sites around it, so it'll be soon after. The works was divided into several parts, some of which had been sold off before the Avon takeover in 1964. One of those was the Medlock works, which made raincoats - that watercourse is the river Medlock.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 27, 2022, 12:07:09

(but please Grahame, it’s aerial photography…)


I've retitled this thread to avoid confusion with the font (or indeed the Shakespearean character)...


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: TonyK on September 27, 2022, 14:37:42

(but please Grahame, it’s aerial photography…)


I've retitled this thread to avoid confusion with the font (or indeed the Shakespearean character)...

Thanks - that's a real help.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: Ralph Ayres on September 27, 2022, 20:58:35
Very disappointing. Not an aerial in sight.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 28, 2022, 00:04:04
Very disappointing. Not an aerial in sight.

You'd hate Lacock then!


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: TonyK on September 29, 2022, 18:54:48
Very disappointing. Not an aerial in sight.

You'd hate Lacock then!

My house too. More in hope than expectation, I wired the aerial up on the attic and put it down on top of the insulation while I went downstairs for the mounting kit and tools. It's still there. It worked fine, so I decided against fixing it.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: Surrey 455 on September 29, 2022, 20:25:22
Very disappointing. Not an aerial in sight.

You'd hate Lacock then!

My house too. More in hope than expectation, I wired the aerial up on the attic and put it down on top of the insulation while I went downstairs for the mounting kit and tools. It's still there. It worked fine, so I decided against fixing it.

An IBA engineer once told me that an aerial in the loft loses six sevenths of the signal through the roof tiles.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: didcotdean on September 30, 2022, 14:47:01
Although they do not suffer from wind damage and corrosion.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: TonyK on September 30, 2022, 15:35:10

An IBA engineer once told me that an aerial in the loft loses six sevenths of the signal through the roof tiles.

That may or may not be the case, but it works absolutely fine on every available channel. I tried it just in case it would save me a pretty big job, and for once in my existence, my luck was in.

Although they do not suffer from wind damage and corrosion.

The one at my former place blew down. So did the neighbour's, in his case taking the chimney stack with it.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: bobm on October 01, 2022, 10:52:53
An IBA engineer once told me that an aerial in the loft loses six sevenths of the signal through the roof tiles.

I suppose it only becomes an issue the further you get "downwind" from one of these brutes

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/tx1.jpg)(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/tx2.jpg)(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/tx3.jpg)

(L-R Rowridge, Sudbury, Redruth)


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 01, 2022, 21:19:16
An IBA engineer once told me that an aerial in the loft loses six sevenths of the signal through the roof tiles.

I suppose it only becomes an issue the further you get "downwind" from one of these brutes

Ah, you could be right. I forget whether I was talking to him about reception from Crystal Palace (17 miles away) or trying to pick up Southern TV from Hannington (36 miles away). It was a long time ago. No IBA or Southern TV any more.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: bobm on October 01, 2022, 21:36:19
On a roll now

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/cpal2.jpg)(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/hann.jpg)

(L-R Crystal Palace and Hannington)


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: TonyK on October 02, 2022, 19:48:55
For the life of me, I can't work out whether this is going of-thread or not.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: bobm on October 02, 2022, 20:29:16
Wildly.  I apologise.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 03, 2022, 02:23:49
(but please Grahame, it’s aerial photography…)
I've retitled this thread to avoid confusion with the font (or indeed the Shakespearean character)...
Thanks - that's a real help.

That's what happens when you let grahame type his heading for a topic.  ::) :o ;D


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: CyclingSid on October 03, 2022, 07:22:56
Quote
On a roll now

(L-R Crystal Palace and Hannington)

Remarkably difficult things to identify from vertical aerial photography. I have been trying to identify one next to the line from Godalming to Guildford. Not on OS maps and virtually invisible on aerial photography (and StreetView isn't in focus enough to read the signs on the gate), obviously have to be investigated on the bike.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: bobm on October 03, 2022, 08:10:23
This one?

 http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=2 (http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=2)


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: JayMac on October 03, 2022, 08:35:50
For the life of me, I can't work out whether this is going of-thread or not.
Wildly.  I apologise.

I'll join in the fun! :P

(https://i.ibb.co/cFNnjtv/original-afdac4b0-4c83-40d1-a207-5ae268477730-IMG-20220513-124406.jpg)
Emley Moor


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: stuving on October 03, 2022, 12:40:59
This one?

 http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=2 (http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=2)

Well, it depends what "next to" means, but ... that TV mast is over a mile from the railway at its closest point, at which point the railway is inside both Guildford and a tunnel. So I'd guess not!


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: CyclingSid on October 04, 2022, 07:02:26
This is the one https://goo.gl/maps/i8ZPShTJ3omgRqNF6 (https://goo.gl/maps/i8ZPShTJ3omgRqNF6)


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: TonyK on October 04, 2022, 07:18:33

Remarkably difficult things to identify from vertical aerial photography. I have been trying to identify one next to the line from Godalming to Guildford. Not on OS maps and virtually invisible on aerial photography (and StreetView isn't in focus enough to read the signs on the gate), obviously have to be investigated on the bike.

Also remarkably difficult to spot from a light aircraft. Fortunately, there are relatively few and they are marked on the charts, but they are tall and slender, with little to see in some lighting conditions. The diagonal cables are all but invisible, and there are frequent warnings throughout the textbooks. You can't even count on sympathy if you black out a million TV sets at a crucial moment in Eastenders.


Title: Re: Where was this - Aerials from the local history centre
Post by: stuving on October 04, 2022, 10:40:46
This is the one https://goo.gl/maps/i8ZPShTJ3omgRqNF6 (https://goo.gl/maps/i8ZPShTJ3omgRqNF6)

That's "the Independent Radio AM transmitter mast at Peasmarsh, serving Guildford and Surrey. (http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=1548)"




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