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Title: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: swlines on May 18, 2008, 14:41:08 Available here, thanks to the provider of the info: http://www.southwesternlines.co.uk/downloads/fgwdiagmay08/SX_OC180s.pdf
OC501 operates SX ^ forms 502 Booked 180/1. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11.51 1W02 Hereford 14.57 15+00 5P66 Hereford Rev 15+03 15+13 5P66 Hereford 15+16 15.19 1P66 London Paddington 18.30 18.51 1D65 Oxford 19.50 19+59 5D65 Oxford DCS 20+02 22+17 5P86 Oxford 22+20 22.22 1P86 London Paddington 23.24 23+34 5P86 Old Oak Common Dpt 23+54 OC502 operates SX ^ forms 501 Booked 180/1. In operation: 19/05/08 ^ 27/06/08. In operation: 08/09/08 ^ 12/12/08. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11+42 5P37 Old Oak Common Dpt 12+01 OC502 operates SX ^ forms 501 Booked 180/1. 30/06/08 ^ 05/09/08. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11+42 5P37 Old Oak Common Dpt 12+01 14+48 5D45 London Paddington 15+06 15.21 1D45 Oxford 16.18 16+22 5D45 Oxford DCS 16+25 16+56 5P63 Oxford 16+59 17.01 1P64 London Paddington 17.58 18.33 1D63 Oxford 20.12 20+16 5D63 Oxford DCS 20+19 20+56 2P81 Oxford 20+59 21.01 1P81 London Paddington 21.59 22+08 5P81 Old Oak Common Dpt 22+56 Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Mookiemoo on May 18, 2008, 19:55:25 Available here, thanks to the provider of the info: http://www.southwesternlines.co.uk/downloads/fgwdiagmay08/SX_OC180s.pdf OC501 operates SX ^ forms 502 Booked 180/1. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11.51 1W02 Hereford 14.57 15+00 5P66 Hereford Rev 15+03 15+13 5P66 Hereford 15+16 15.19 1P66 London Paddington 18.30 18.51 1D65 Oxford 19.50 19+59 5D65 Oxford DCS 20+02 22+17 5P86 Oxford 22+20 22.22 1P86 London Paddington 23.24 23+34 5P86 Old Oak Common Dpt 23+54 OC502 operates SX ^ forms 501 Booked 180/1. In operation: 19/05/08 ^ 27/06/08. In operation: 08/09/08 ^ 12/12/08. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11+42 5P37 Old Oak Common Dpt 12+01 OC502 operates SX ^ forms 501 Booked 180/1. 30/06/08 ^ 05/09/08. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11+42 5P37 Old Oak Common Dpt 12+01 14+48 5D45 London Paddington 15+06 15.21 1D45 Oxford 16.18 16+22 5D45 Oxford DCS 16+25 16+56 5P63 Oxford 16+59 17.01 1P64 London Paddington 17.58 18.33 1D63 Oxford 20.12 20+16 5D63 Oxford DCS 20+19 20+56 2P81 Oxford 20+59 21.01 1P81 London Paddington 21.59 22+08 5P81 Old Oak Common Dpt 22+56 Now, for the non preofesionals - can you put that into plain english - which services will be adelanted up to WOS/HRF Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Conner on May 18, 2008, 19:58:23 Available here, thanks to the provider of the info: http://www.southwesternlines.co.uk/downloads/fgwdiagmay08/SX_OC180s.pdf OC501 operates SX ^ forms 502 Booked 180/1. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11.51 1W02 Hereford 14.57 15+00 5P66 Hereford Rev 15+03 15+13 5P66 Hereford 15+16 15.19 1P66 London Paddington 18.30 18.51 1D65 Oxford 19.50 19+59 5D65 Oxford DCS 20+02 22+17 5P86 Oxford 22+20 22.22 1P86 London Paddington 23.24 23+34 5P86 Old Oak Common Dpt 23+54 OC502 operates SX ^ forms 501 Booked 180/1. In operation: 19/05/08 ^ 27/06/08. In operation: 08/09/08 ^ 12/12/08. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11+42 5P37 Old Oak Common Dpt 12+01 OC502 operates SX ^ forms 501 Booked 180/1. 30/06/08 ^ 05/09/08. Old Oak Common Dpt 04+25 5D05 London Paddington 05+00 05.16 1D05 Oxford 06.21 06+25 5D05 Oxford DCS 06+28 07+05 5P10 Oxford 07+08 07.11 1P10 London Paddington 08.22 08+36 5P35 Oxford DCS 10+04 10+26 5P35 Oxford 10+29 10.31 1P35 London Paddington 11.27 11+42 5P37 Old Oak Common Dpt 12+01 14+48 5D45 London Paddington 15+06 15.21 1D45 Oxford 16.18 16+22 5D45 Oxford DCS 16+25 16+56 5P63 Oxford 16+59 17.01 1P64 London Paddington 17.58 18.33 1D63 Oxford 20.12 20+16 5D63 Oxford DCS 20+19 20+56 2P81 Oxford 20+59 21.01 1P81 London Paddington 21.59 22+08 5P81 Old Oak Common Dpt 22+56 Now, for the non preofesionals - can you put that into plain english - which services will be adelanted up to WOS/HRF Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: devon_metro on May 18, 2008, 20:02:38 Set01
0516 Padd-Oxford (Joined to set 2/3) 0711 Oxford-Padd (Joined to set 2/3) 1031 Oxford-Padd (Joined to set 2/3) 1151 Padd-Hereford 1519 Hereford-Padd 1851 Padd-Oxford 2222 Oxford-Padd Set 2 Runs 19/05/08 ^ 27/06/08. 08/09/08 ^ 12/12/08. 0516 Padd-Oxford (Joined to set 1) 0711 Oxford-Padd (Joined to set 1) 1031 Oxford-Padd (Joined to set 1) Set 3 0516 Padd-Oxford (Joined to set 1) 0711 Oxford-Padd (Joined to set 1) 1031 Oxford-Padd (Joined to set 1) 1521 Padd-Oxford 1701 Oxford-Padd 1833 Padd-Oxford 2101 Oxford-Padd Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Btline on May 18, 2008, 22:30:18 I wonder why they are slapping a 180 on a Hereford service. ???
What is wrong with the Oxford services? Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: willc on May 19, 2008, 21:25:16 Because that Hereford service is very lightly-used in both directions.
Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: gwr2006 on May 19, 2008, 22:16:06 I wonder why they are slapping a 180 on a Hereford service. ??? What is wrong with the Oxford services? These trains can get busy but the main reason for using a 180 is the very tight turnaround at Hereford. 1W02 1151 Paddington to Hereford arrives at 1457 and has to shunt before forming 1P66 1519 Hereford to Paddington. The 22 minutes is just too tight for an HST! 1P66 is a key peak train as it passes through Oxford at 1736 and any delay then delays the Cotswold Halts train (1731 from Oxford) and a host of CrossCountry and stopping services heading south. Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: willc on May 20, 2008, 14:30:55 How do you define busy? A very busy Adelante is the equivalent of a pretty quiet 125 - and these workings aren't busy in Cotswold Line terms, even for an Adelante.
And if it were all that busy coming off the Cotswold Line, it wouldn't be a lot of use as a fast evening peak service out of Oxford - as FGW discovered very quickly in the morning peaks in December 06, after the DfT geniuses decided that already heavily-loaded Cotswold Line trains could pick up most of the Oxford commuters as well. Yes, the turnaround at Hereford is tight, but is achievable by an HST - the issue, as ever, is more to do with late running on the way from London causing trouble, by eating into the time allowed to shunt, assuming it even gets to Hereford - this train kept getting turned back at Ledbury earlier in the year. And with the structure of the Cotswold Line timetable, just about any late-running service can muck up everything else. Especially the 17.21 ex-London, which was late off Oxford yet again yesterday, stuffing up both the following trains and two coming in the opposite direction. Of all the late afternoon/early evening trains, the halts one is the least likely to cause havoc. Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Mookiemoo on May 20, 2008, 14:41:28 And with the structure of the Cotswold Line timetable, just about any late-running service can muck up everything else. Especially the 17.21 ex-London, which was late off Oxford yet again yesterday, stuffing up both the following trains and two coming in the opposite direction. Of all the late afternoon/early evening trains, the halts one is the least likely to cause havoc. But hey - it arrived in WOS on time! Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: swlines on May 21, 2008, 12:07:22 Saturday diagrams:
OC501 ^ forms OC501 Old Oak Common 08+11 5W17 London Paddington 08+24 08.51 1W17 Great Malvern 11.26 11+28 5P48 Malvern Wells 11+30 11+40 5P48 Great Malvern 11+42 11.45 1P48 London Paddington 14.59 15.51 1W43 Great Malvern 18.26 18+30 5P80 Malvern Wells 18+54 19+01 5P80 Great Malvern 19+03 19.20 1P80 London Paddington 22.44 23+12 5P80 Old Oak Common 23+31 OC502 ^ forms OC502 STABLED OLD OAK COMMON. SPARE SET. Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: swlines on May 21, 2008, 16:08:43 Sunday diagram:
OC501 14.42 London Paddington to Hereford 18.30 Hereford to London Paddington Valid throughout timetable period. Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Btline on May 21, 2008, 18:34:49 Does anyone know when the EMT HST will arrive?
And, even though I think I asked this before, how will an EMT HST replace 5 180s? ??? I done some sums ( ;D ), and they don't add up! Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: devon_metro on May 21, 2008, 18:35:41 Its a NXEC HST
Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: swlines on May 21, 2008, 18:39:29 The 180s are intended to double up when in service, the afternoon diagram that one of them does is just due to a lack of general availability of HSTs.
There are some 50 HST sets diagrammed out of roughly 54 I think currently? Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Btline on May 21, 2008, 18:41:46 Its a NXEC HST Really? I thought that Hull Trains' Vomiter clones where going to go to EMT to join the rest of the Vomiter clones (this would free up an HST for FGW etc.). Must be old news. So where will NXEC get extra rolling stock? Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: devon_metro on May 21, 2008, 18:43:01 Believe NX have one to cover for the Mallard refurb.
Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: swlines on May 21, 2008, 18:50:34 They don't. The HST is a cover for their Mallard refresh programme.
Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Conner on May 21, 2008, 18:55:12 Its a NXEC HST Really? I thought that Hull Trains' Vomiter clones where going to go to EMT to join the rest of the Vomiter clones (this would free up an HST for FGW etc.). Must be old news. So where will NXEC get extra rolling stock? And why do you call Class 222's Vomiter Clones, more like Vomiter MK2, they are a lot better than 220/221's as improvments were made based on the flaws in 220/221's. Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: swlines on May 21, 2008, 19:08:33 The current intention is for (I think there are 14 180s...) for 101-110 to go to NXEC and 111-114 to go to Hull Trains....
Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Btline on May 21, 2008, 19:21:41 Yes, the Meridians are much better, except they ordered too much First Class! ::)
Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Conner on May 21, 2008, 19:26:58 Yes, the Meridians are much better, except they ordered too much First Class! ::) I wouldn't complain, you could sit in more comfy seats for free.Title: Re: Summer TT 180 diagrams Post by: Btline on May 21, 2008, 19:59:23 Fine by me...
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