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Title: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: grahame on September 15, 2023, 06:14:52 am
Eight Years of Great Western Railway - on this day, 15th September 2015

What has been achieved under the GWR branding, and what has failed?

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Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: REVUpminster on September 16, 2023, 10:13:01 am
The biggest failure has been the 769s and all the stock problems that has caused. Are they going to repeat it with the 230s if expected to work elsewhere other than Greenford? Why buy all those extra cars of S stock?

Any tool that is designed to do two or more jobs rarely does one best.

The 387 emu has been a success limited by only where it can go due to cut backs in electrification.


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: nickswift99 on September 16, 2023, 12:13:52 pm
The Electrostars have been a massive upgrade but the introduction of the Elizabeth line has resulted in many commuters seeing little improvement in journey times due to long dwells at Reading and the effective removal of GWR services at some stations.

But the biggest failure, which I think is true of all long distance providers, is the failure to address the leisure market, especially the premium sector. The demise of decent first class seats and catering has resulted in something which more resembles a commuter experience and not that of a service which will draw people from their cars.


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: Mark A on September 16, 2023, 01:58:18 pm
But the biggest failure, which I think is true of all long distance providers, is the failure to address the leisure market, especially the premium sector.

LNER's approach to the provision and selling of their services, including 1st, is very different to that which GWR is able to take - and for some reason Hitachi tend not to send LNER trains into service with unclean exteriors. Perhaps it is that the Hitachi - LNER relationship is set up in a different way.

Mark


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 16, 2023, 02:34:00 pm
I have to say that I haven’t really noticed any great problems with the general exterior cleanliness of the IET fleet.


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2023, 06:54:29 pm
But the biggest failure, which I think is true of all long distance providers, is the failure to address the leisure market, especially the premium sector.

LNER's approach to the provision and selling of their services, including 1st, is very different to that which GWR is able to take - and for some reason Hitachi tend not to send LNER trains into service with unclean exteriors.

The leisure market is *booming*  ??? ??? At weekends at least & is actually beating the peaks on Monday & Friday  ::)
There would very quickly be overcrowding complaints if they were to attract many more out of their cars.

Unclean IETs - I haven't seen (m)any & neither is there a thread of complaint on here about any?  ???


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: bobm on September 17, 2023, 06:00:32 am
There was an issue with some carriage washers and how they cleaned IETs in 2019ish.  Some sets were notably dirty when in service and windows not the clearest.   Adjustments were made and the presentation visibly improved. 


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: ChrisB on September 17, 2023, 11:24:00 am
Four year's ago, then? Time to forget something that minor, I reckon.


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 17, 2023, 12:10:49 pm
Failure to address staff shortage issues, especially on Sundays, over many years when it was within their gift to do so.


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: ChrisB on September 17, 2023, 05:08:27 pm
What's that got to do with carriage washers?  ??? ::)


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 17, 2023, 07:51:25 pm
What's that got to do with carriage washers?  ??? ::)

Nothing whatsoever. I was addressing Graham's original question.


Title: Re: GWR - Eight years old today
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 18, 2023, 03:06:41 pm
I missed this – Happy Birthday, Coffee Shop!



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