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Title: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 12, 2008, 15:55:52
A ^10 million investment to improve transport links to key developments east of Exeter looks set to pave the way for the creation of 3,500 homes and up to 7,000 jobs earlier than planned.

Business and council leaders have welcomed the cash from the South West Regional Development Agency, which includes ^6.5m for upgrades to junctions 29 and 30 of the M5 to provide easier access to the new community of Cranbrook, the Skypark business site, a 25-hectare science park and new housing.

A further ^3.5m will pay for the building of a new railway station to serve Cranbrook, a 3,500-home town planned for land near Rockbeare.

Councillor Humphrey Temperley, Devon County Council's executive member for spatial planning, regional and international affairs, said: "Devon County Council is delighted that the RDA has agreed to make ^10m available from the regional infrastructure fund to help bring forward the developments to the east of Exeter. This will enable us to deliver the key transport infrastructure such as the new railway station and improved junctions at an early stage in the development."

See http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=136993&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231418&home=yes&more_nodeId1=137002&contentPK=21069522


Title: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on September 14, 2008, 18:10:30
does anyone else think that this would be a good idea?


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: gaf71 on September 14, 2008, 18:54:42
does anyone else think that this would be a good idea?
Yes I agree, its a big employment area, bigger than Sowton I think, and Digby and Sowton on the Exmouth branch is really well used by workers on the industrial estate. Also Alphington( which edges on to Marsh Barton) has masses of housing now. At the moment workers on Marsh Barton have to use Exeter St Thomas station, which means at least a 15-20 minute walk.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: devon_metro on September 14, 2008, 19:10:15
Good place to have an airport link too.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: John R on September 14, 2008, 20:17:41
Pardon my ignorance but is this on the Waterloo line? If so then any the route is not really geared for and set up for local traffic. I would guess that any extra stops would have an impact on timings and passing points over the long single track sections. 


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: gaf71 on September 14, 2008, 20:52:54
Pardon my ignorance but is this on the Waterloo line? If so then any the route is not really geared for and set up for local traffic. I would guess that any extra stops would have an impact on timings and passing points over the long single track sections. 
No, its between Exeter St Thomas and Starcross on the GW main line.About  3 miles west of St Davids.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on September 14, 2008, 21:25:28
however there is still the issue of slow stopping trains calling at an extra stop would mess up the timetables unless two extra tracks were put in place but the bill is going up and up


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: John R on September 14, 2008, 21:46:55
Pardon my ignorance but is this on the Waterloo line? If so then any the route is not really geared for and set up for local traffic. I would guess that any extra stops would have an impact on timings and passing points over the long single track sections. 
No, its between Exeter St Thomas and Starcross on the GW main line.About  3 miles west of St Davids.

Sorry, the comment about it being a good place for an airport link confused me, as the airport is close to the Waterloo line.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on September 14, 2008, 21:55:20
yes sorry i just noticed that myself lol well they are talking about a station at broadclyst that line has so much potentialit really does but the fact that for the most part it is single is a major draw back


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: eightf48544 on September 15, 2008, 10:08:45
however there is still the issue of slow stopping trains calling at an extra stop would mess up the timetables unless two extra tracks were put in place but the bill is going up and up

Interesting thought where history might provide a clue. one of the last mainlines the GW/GC Joint and GW links between Marylebone Aynho most staions were built with 4 tracks with through lines and platform loops. Sadly most of these have gone and Chiltern are having to put some back at great expense.

On the West of England mainline you had 4 tracks for 7 miles or so from Cogload to Norton Fitzwarren platform loops at Wellington (Som) Samford Peverell, Tiverton Jn (old) Cullumpton
and Stoke Cannon. There appear to also have been freight loops at Hele. Most of which have gone.

From what I've read Network Rail seem to looking at some form of standard modules for station buildings and other structures. It would seem possible to extend this concept to a modular four track layout with standardised high speed points, signals and a plug in interlocking. Thus having prepapared the foundations and track bed the complete new station, track and signals are  erected on site from prefabricated components bought to site. As the new platforms are away from the running lines there should be little disruption to services say 4 x 12 hour possesions one for each point and maybe another for signal testing. You might need a temporary speed restriction through the site but with careful planning this could be made as short as possible.

It's not new, the Southern did it with concrete components from Exemouth Junction, still extant on the St Helier and Chessington South lines.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on September 15, 2008, 11:56:41
If a Station was opened at Marsh-Barton, perhaps run a shuttle service to EXD and back. I think the timetable could accomodate it, just depends on the rolling stock... and of course the station ;)


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: plymothian on September 15, 2008, 16:41:27
Well the permanent way towards Heathfield is still in place running right through to just short of Sainsbury's at Marsh Barton/Alphington....


Now if only there was a way to get all the way to Heathfield   :D


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: Brunel-Scott on October 06, 2008, 21:13:52
Yes, 'Plymothian' is quite right - there is a track - one might call it a long siding - stretching right through the Marsh Barton area almost to Sainsbury's. The track bed beyond the existing track to Sainsbury's (just a couple of hundred yards) is still unimpeded so in theory one could end the line there, hence having passengers shopping there on foot instead of by car (ha ha - will wonders never cease?) and perhaps more plausibly, deliveries by rail to Sainsbury's and other commercial customers. At least there would be no need to build a station on or even near the main line. 

I think this line was until recently for the MAF site which has now disappeared. Am I right?


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: Andy on October 06, 2008, 22:37:33
Running Barnstaple services through to a station at Sainsbury's on the old Marsh Barton siding, via Exeter St Thos, and running Exmouth services through to Okehampton could be a solution.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: TerminalJunkie on October 07, 2008, 09:11:11
Running Barnstaple services through to a station at Sainsbury's on the old Marsh Barton siding, via Exeter St Thos, and running Exmouth services through to Okehampton could be a solution.

...whilst simultaneously upsetting the 60% or so of passengers on the Barnstaple trains who want to go to or through Exeter Central.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: gaf71 on October 07, 2008, 10:51:49
Yes, 'Plymothian' is quite right - there is a track - one might call it a long siding - stretching right through the Marsh Barton area almost to Sainsbury's. The track bed beyond the existing track to Sainsbury's (just a couple of hundred yards) is still unimpeded so in theory one could end the line there, hence having passengers shopping there on foot instead of by car (ha ha - will wonders never cease?) and perhaps more plausibly, deliveries by rail to Sainsbury's and other commercial customers. At least there would be no need to build a station on or even near the main line. 

I think this line was until recently for the MAF site which has now disappeared. Am I right?
yes this is the old MAFF site.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: Andy on October 07, 2008, 15:03:07
Running Barnstaple services through to a station at Sainsbury's on the old Marsh Barton siding, via Exeter St Thos, and running Exmouth services through to Okehampton could be a solution.

...whilst simultaneously upsetting the 60% or so of passengers on the Barnstaple trains who want to go to or through Exeter Central.

If that is the main flow on all trains, then fair enough. Is it impossible, though, to squeeze in a few runs out to Sainsbury's and back to catch the commuter traffic?
     


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on October 09, 2008, 19:40:02
im not sure how much capacity is left in the line to yeovil but maybee a service from say axminster or honiton threw to marshbarton?... then threw to okehampton, yes i know this would mean going threw st davids twice but this would not only benifit people going to marsh barton and okehampton but also central, st davids, crediton, pinhoe, east devon basicaly would have more services i think that the main issues would be rolling stock and the capacity of the honiton route lets face it all it needs apart from that is a bit more line at marshbarton and some signalling work and oh yeh a station broadclyst would also make an ideal park and ride station there is loads of room for a carpark and its crying out for a station!

maybee im in dream world again?


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: signalandtelegraph on October 10, 2008, 07:49:36
im not sure how much capacity is left in the line to yeovil but maybee a service from say axminster or honiton threw to marshbarton?... then threw to okehampton, yes i know this would mean going threw st davids twice but this would not only benifit people going to marsh barton and okehampton but also central, st davids, crediton, pinhoe, east devon basicaly would have more services i think that the main issues would be rolling stock and the capacity of the honiton route lets face it all it needs apart from that is a bit more line at marshbarton and some signalling work and oh yeh a station broadclyst would also make an ideal park and ride station there is loads of room for a carpark and its crying out for a station!

maybee im in dream world again?

The county councils ambition is for a half hourly service between Axminster from Exeter (i.e Waterloo train on the hour, local stopper at half past)  There is a passing loop being installed at Axminster to facilitate the hourly Waterloo service from the Dec 2009.  However the half hourly service also depends on a Southern loop being built.  As the new development at Cranbrook is now on hold I think this is unlikely to happen for a long time.  I wouldn't think the turnround times would permit a trip to Marsh Barton and I don't think that it would attract many passengers anyway unless it was a massive park and ride but the buses have already got that side covered. 

Re-double the Exeter Salisbury - now there's a thought!



Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on October 10, 2008, 21:23:19
im not sure how much capacity is left in the line to yeovil but maybee a service from say axminster or honiton threw to marshbarton?... then threw to okehampton, yes i know this would mean going threw st davids twice but this would not only benifit people going to marsh barton and okehampton but also central, st davids, crediton, pinhoe, east devon basicaly would have more services i think that the main issues would be rolling stock and the capacity of the honiton route lets face it all it needs apart from that is a bit more line at marshbarton and some signalling work and oh yeh a station broadclyst would also make an ideal park and ride station there is loads of room for a carpark and its crying out for a station!

maybee im in dream world again?

The county councils ambition is for a half hourly service between Axminster from Exeter (i.e Waterloo train on the hour, local stopper at half past)  There is a passing loop being installed at Axminster to facilitate the hourly Waterloo service from the Dec 2009.  However the half hourly service also depends on a Southern loop being built.  As the new development at Cranbrook is now on hold I think this is unlikely to happen for a long time.  I wouldn't think the turnround times would permit a trip to Marsh Barton and I don't think that it would attract many passengers anyway unless it was a massive park and ride but the buses have already got that side covered. 

Re-double the Exeter Salisbury - now there's a thought!



yep needs doubling but i dont know if you work on marsh barton or any other part of exeter but apart from london it has to have the worst traffic in the uk


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: DevonTrains2008 on December 28, 2008, 20:17:17
A station should be opened on the Waterloo line called 'Exeter Airport Parkway' - this could serve as access to Exeter Airport and also a P&R Railhead for shoppers and commuters.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on December 28, 2008, 20:25:03
A station should be opened on the Waterloo line called 'Exeter Airport Parkway' - this could serve as access to Exeter Airport and also a P&R Railhead for shoppers and commuters.

whimple would be a good bet


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: DevonTrains2008 on December 28, 2008, 20:44:01
I agree, but needs loads more parking to be a 'Parkway'


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: plymothian on December 28, 2008, 21:57:40
Could be the first Ride and Fly station!


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on December 28, 2008, 22:50:45
I agree, but needs loads more parking to be a 'Parkway'

im sorry i was suppost to say broadclyst im not sure why i said whimple?


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 29, 2008, 10:57:23
Quote from: relex109
not sure why i said whimple?

Nun fetish?


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on December 29, 2008, 12:01:51
Quote from: relex109
not sure why i said whimple?

Nun fetish?

I think we need a seperate page for making fun of me so I can read and apreciate it on a good day....


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: Feckham on December 29, 2008, 13:32:16
Hi

As a commuter who prefers to fly from the closest airport... to create a spur/passing loop after Pinhoe, and before the old Broadclyst station, so provide a new Fly-Park-Ride along with satisfying any demand for future housing etc, would perhaps be feasible.   There is enough land earmarked on that side of Exeter Airport to faciliate it.

Routing BNP to Marsh Barton would indeed upset the ever increasing number of users of the Tarka line going to Exeter Central, but OKE to Marsh Barton/Exmouth could be introduced - as a new service

Perhaps alternate routing to any new station would be to divert the current paths from BNP/Paignton-Exmouth.  Thus satisfying the North and South Devon users of this airport and commuters for Exeter with the Park/Ride option, especially if a spur, as would terminate there, and hopefully not interfere too much with other traffic on the main line







Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: FlyingDutchman on December 05, 2009, 13:35:14
Hi

This is just a idea service

Exeter Central to Cranbrook stopping at all the station between

and Return to Exeter St David, Exeter St David to Dawlish Warren.

Dawlish Warren to Collumpton and then back to Exeter Central.

Maybe Exeter Central  to Digby and Sowton and then to Okehampton

Guy


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chafford1 on January 02, 2010, 17:53:31
The funding for the new station at Cranbrook east of Exeter was approved by the South West Regional Development Agency last July. Does anyone know the timetable for building this station? Is it being coordinated with the installation of a further passing loop on the Waterloo - Exeter line or will it be a single platform?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: signalandtelegraph on January 02, 2010, 18:42:02
Is going to be provided as part of the 'new town' of Cranbrook - currently on hold.  No co-ordination with other schemes on the line but this loop would allow the county councils aspirational half hourly service to Axminster.

http://www.eastdevon.gov.uk/index/planning_services/major_planning_projects/new_community (http://www.eastdevon.gov.uk/index/planning_services/major_planning_projects/new_community)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on January 02, 2010, 19:30:53
allow the county councils aspirational half hourly service to Axminster.



Blimey thats a bit optimistic. It doesn't really require that level of service, if anywhere in Devon needs it, then it is between Paignton and Exeter.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 02, 2010, 20:06:42
you say that because you live there... however i agree hourly at axminster is an amazing level of service and doesnt need improvement at this time apart from at peak times


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on January 02, 2010, 20:21:18
Not sure if that planning website is up to date, it doesn't seem to have changed for a couple of years IIRC. I think the report Chafford1 mentions is much more recent.

Does anyone know what the expected mileage is for Cranbrook, and is it very close to Feniton or Whimple - might either see a reduced service?  I've seen reports that the current timetable allows for the additional stops, but just how close are the existing stations?

Edit: found a map, seems much further west than I thought, seems like it isn't far from the site of the closed Broadclyst station. Maybe an extension of the double section out of Exeter will be the best solution?

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: FlyingDutchman on January 02, 2010, 23:36:06
Pinhoe don't have enough trains stopping at it now.

I see the Government want to build another new town on some where near cranbrook.

Guy


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on January 03, 2010, 00:02:57
Pinhoe don't have enough trains stopping at it now.

1tp2h as it was before the timetable changed!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 03, 2010, 00:10:40
pinhoe is well served! ok i favor the west of england line but its had its upgrade and hourly plus nice trains plus well looked after platforms cheeper fairs direct service to london.... you can get greedy you know besides digby and sowton aint a million miles away


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chafford1 on January 03, 2010, 10:19:16
The report from July 2009 confirmed the go-ahead for Cranbrook from March 2010:

 http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Business-leaders-welcome-12m-Cranbrook-boost/article-1196879-detail/article.html  (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Business-leaders-welcome-12m-Cranbrook-boost/article-1196879-detail/article.html)

Further track enhancements would be a good idea - you could then have an Axminster - St Davids stopping service and accelerate the Waterloo - Exeter services by removing all the stops west of Honiton.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: John R on January 03, 2010, 13:04:15
Though that's for the start of development. I would have thought the station would be a couple of years away, as typically provision of a station waits until a reasonable population is in place to use it. 


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on January 03, 2010, 16:02:18
The report from July 2009 confirmed the go-ahead for Cranbrook from March 2010:

 http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Business-leaders-welcome-12m-Cranbrook-boost/article-1196879-detail/article.html  (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Business-leaders-welcome-12m-Cranbrook-boost/article-1196879-detail/article.html)

Thanks for the link. However, I don't see it stating for certain that the ^12M includes the new station. It talks about a road leading to the new station though...

Quote
The ^12 million investment includes ^3 million towards a ^10 million Clyst Honiton bypass, ^4 million for the main road serving the first phase of Cranbrook and linking to its new railway station, and ^5 million towards a new primary school serving Cranbrook.

I'm not convinced that Cranbrook station on its own actually needs any track alterations. It is so close to Pinhoe that if it ever required a half hourly service to/from Exeter this could be done in between the hourly services, ie reversing at Cranbrook.  So any future half hourly service on the line further east would have to be assessed on its own merits, and presumably Devon CC would have to stump up more cash.
Another point in the article is the 'freight terminal'.  The Cranbrook plans describe this as an intermodal terminal and place it just west of the new town, and if it is rail connected, and on the current single track it could also be a timetabling issue.  Would they be seriously thinking about running freight along the West of England line, or bringing it from the Exeter direction? :-\

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Btline on January 03, 2010, 16:56:48
Further track enhancements would be a good idea - you could then have an Axminster - St Davids stopping service and accelerate the Waterloo - Exeter services by removing all the stops west of Honiton.

Surely any extra stock magiced in* to run this new service would be put to better use running SWT to Plymouth and Paignton again?

*and the other issue, where from?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: FlyingDutchman on January 03, 2010, 19:14:00

exeter new intermodal known as Exeter Gateway

http://www.eastdevon.gov.uk/intermodal_facility

http://www.exetersciencepark.co.uk/overview.php

Guy


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on January 03, 2010, 19:34:57
Surely any extra stock magiced in* to run this new service would be put to better use running SWT to Plymouth and Paignton again?

*and the other issue, where from?

West of Exeter won't be reinstated, now that FGW are funded to provide the services.

SWT though, they'd only need one unit for a potential Exeter to Cranbrook extra service, it's only about 10 minutes running time.

That could come from quite a few different sources, in no particular order:
return of the EMT loan unit,
return of the FGW loan unit,
An EMU vice the Lymington DMU,
An EMU vice various Hants local services,
Higher utilisation of the 158 fleet.

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Btline on January 03, 2010, 19:42:25
I'll pick:

EMU vice DMU on Lymington please! And I don't care if it is a Desiro vice slammer!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on January 03, 2010, 19:45:57
I'll pick:

EMU vice DMU on Lymington please! And I don't care if it is a Desiro vice slammer!

I concur...

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on January 03, 2010, 22:56:47
Giving said 158 to FGW would of course be more beneficial


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 04, 2010, 13:17:30
Higher utilisation of the 158 fleet.

What is the current state of play on this? - ie how many extra 158's could SWT put out if they really wanted to?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 04, 2010, 13:22:25
would be interesting to see loading figures since the hourly service, i doubt there are treble workings now you may find the 158's being used to add capacity to these services


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on January 04, 2010, 15:26:22
Higher utilisation of the 158 fleet.

What is the current state of play on this? - ie how many extra 158's could SWT put out if they really wanted to?

I believe they have 6 or 7 of their own diagrams (since that 10 car morning service to/from Waterloo started), from 11 units, but I'm fairly sure only 3 services use 158s all day, and those are the Romsey - Salisburys.  The rest are doing peak only services.  That doesn't include the all day FGW unit though, so effectively SWT have 10 units to play with, 9 if EMT still have one.

Of course the 30 159s aren't exactly the most stretched fleet in the land either.

Would be useful to see up to date official diagrams, but no-one's been putting them online recently...

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 04, 2010, 16:31:05
probably enough to run to paignton and cover all fgw services,plus more to increase frequency apart from the paddington ones so that the fgw units can boost services elsewhere in the region, wont happen too complicated

personally i think the barnstaple line should be transfered to swt :-) being an old southern route


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: gaf71 on January 04, 2010, 19:58:24
There is already rumour (and I stress the word RUMOUR) that FGW may possibly run services to Honiton or Axminster. There has been no confirmation of this though!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Btline on January 04, 2010, 23:42:50
There is already rumour (and I stress the word RUMOUR) that FGW may possibly run services to Honiton or Axminster. There has been no confirmation of this though!

Why on earth would FGW want to waste stock running an extra service on a line that already has an hourly service when there is the Transwilts untapped! This BETTER be a false rumour...


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TerminalJunkie on January 04, 2010, 23:48:43
There is already rumour (and I stress the word RUMOUR) that FGW may possibly run services to Honiton or Axminster. There has been no confirmation of this though!

Running Barnstaple to Axminster would be quite sensible, actually.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: John R on January 05, 2010, 00:15:55
There is already rumour (and I stress the word RUMOUR) that FGW may possibly run services to Honiton or Axminster. There has been no confirmation of this though!

Why on earth would FGW want to waste stock running an extra service on a line that already has an hourly service when there is the Transwilts untapped! This BETTER be a false rumour...

Two possibilities:-

1. ORCATS revenue raid.
2. DCC sponsor the service and an additional unit, in the same way as the additional services on the Severn Beach line are sponsored.



Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: qwerty on January 05, 2010, 10:42:51
There is already rumour (and I stress the word RUMOUR) that FGW may possibly run services to Honiton or Axminster. There has been no confirmation of this though!

Why on earth would FGW want to waste stock running an extra service on a line that already has an hourly service when there is the Transwilts untapped! This BETTER be a false rumour...

Two possibilities:-

1. ORCATS revenue raid.
2. DCC sponsor the service and an additional unit, in the same way as the additional services on the Severn Beach line are sponsored.



The RUMOUR that I heard was that FGW train crews would work Honiton / Axminster shuttles under contract to SWT



Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Feckham on January 05, 2010, 10:58:03
There is already rumour (and I stress the word RUMOUR) that FGW may possibly run services to Honiton or Axminster. There has been no confirmation of this though!

Running Barnstaple to Axminster would be quite sensible, actually.

Ideal if it were ever to happen and Cranbrook open - Exeter Airport anyone!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on January 05, 2010, 11:15:54
How far would the Cranbrook stop be from the airport?

Also, how about an occasional Okehampton to Axminster service, an East-West service to complement the North-South Barnstaple-Exmouth route?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on January 05, 2010, 16:52:41
How far would the Cranbrook stop be from the airport?

About 2 miles by road, I reckon. Unfortunately the airport buildings are on the south of the airfield, alongside the new A30.  The station site is due north of there, but the road has to go right round the houses...

Paul   


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: FlyingDutchman on January 06, 2010, 21:58:38
At one stage there was talk about building a new terminal on the opposite side of the airport. on the old A30


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Whippo on April 15, 2010, 10:04:33
-Terminal on opposite side of airport has been proposed along with a freight terminal- don't know if it's anything to do with the rail terminal, point is, none of this is going to happen until the new roads/infrastructure for Cranbrook are in place and that looks like being on hold indefinately at the mo. If this does happen then the proposed new station would be less than a mile from the airport terminal, which is good. As far as half hr service  Axminster - Exeter goes, SWT have seen steady repatriation of the W of E line but the service locally has now been compromised by the new timetable due to pathing for the 'dynamic loop' at Axminster meaning Whimple, Feniton and Pinhoe see a poorer service from the investment at Axminster and this is where things go against DCC plans to get people back on trains. Lets hope that when a new franchise plan is drawn up that the reinstatement of double track between Pinhoe and (at least) Whimple is proposed which will cater for new freight traffic and pathing of passenger services (especially late ones) between Cranbrook and pinhoe,  provide improved service to the local community, and not just another cheap 'dynamic loop' that will move the problems somewhere else (if the proposed one at whimple goes ahead they may as well go the 'whole hog' to exeter and be done with it!) That would be sensible investment. I've also heard that FGW could be providing the service but its all early days and i imagine it's to do with stock availiability, but it's feasible (WR units used to provide a exeter-axminster in the 80s under NSE) Perhaps Exeter -Yeovil Pen Mill anyone??!!!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 30, 2010, 00:42:47
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11656101):

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Devon eco-town of Cranbrook given planning permission

A new eco-community is to be built in Devon after being given outline planning permission.

Legal documents have now been signed by developers, landowners and councils to pave the way for work to start on building the town of Cranbrook.

The site, east of Exeter, will see the construction of about 3,000 homes.

The scheme, to help address housing needs and tackle climate change, is one of a number of environmentally-friendly new settlements to be built in England.

Cranbrook will be home to schools, a community centre, energy plant and library.

It will also have strong transport links as planners are to give it a dedicated bus route to Exeter and build a railway station on the Exeter to Waterloo line.

Sara Randall Johnson, leader of East Devon District Council, said: "We have stuck to our guns in making provision for vital social and community facilities at Cranbrook. We want to encourage the new community to quickly develop its own sense of place and to become a splendid addition to the existing market towns of East Devon and a worthy neighbour to the nearby City of Exeter."

Work on the new houses, which will be built by developers including Redrow, Taylor Wimpey and Persimmon, is expected to start early next year.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Bob_Blakey on October 30, 2010, 08:25:56
The latest planning information is available at http://www.eastdevon.gov.uk/cranbrook_second_amendments (http://www.eastdevon.gov.uk/cranbrook_second_amendments)

Call me 'Mr Cynic', but I rather suspect that the title of this thread should really be 'New Station at Cranbrook sometime in the next 10 years, funding availability permitting'.

For reasons which I completely fail to understand Cranbrook New Town has been planned so that it cannot make use of the nearby disused Broadclyst station, thereby increasing both cost and provision timescale.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on October 30, 2010, 12:13:35
If the council have got the legal issues sorted properly, the station should be developer funded under a S106 agreement, and there should be a guarantee that it is built before the housing gets to a certain number.

I found this: 
"The application proposals include provision for a new station which is capable of
construction and operation in the first phase of development. The applicants are
committed to providing financial contributions towards securing the early delivery of
the station."
But no explicit mention of a S106 agreement.

The station location has apparently been optimised for lack of platform curvature and lack of gradients, supposedly according to HMRI guidance, but also positioned for other expected developments west of Cranbrook:
"Although the station is to be located on the site of the new community, the station will
have a substantive role to play in the access strategy for all major developments to
the east of Exeter, including the airport, Skypark and the Intermodal."

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: FlyingDutchman on October 31, 2010, 18:43:18
Hi

I can't find much information exeter  Intermodal Freight Facility ans cranbook station

Guy


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Feckham on November 01, 2010, 12:35:46
Hi

I can't find much information exeter  Intermodal Freight Facility ans cranbook station

Guy

Try http://www.eastdevon.gov.uk/intermodal_facility

HTH

Feckham


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on November 02, 2010, 13:37:55
I hope the double track formation is not encroached upon when the new station is built. 


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2010, 18:17:50
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11761702):

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Devon 'eco-town' Cranbrook gets access road permission

Planning permission has been granted for a road in east Devon to be built as the main access route to a new so-called eco-community.

The town of Cranbrook, east of Exeter, will have about 3,000 homes.

East Devon District Council said the road would be located on land east of Station Road in the village of Broadclyst, and north of the old A30.

Work on the first section of the route is planned to begin next spring, ahead of the main development.

The Cranbrook scheme, which supporters say will help address housing needs and tackle climate change, is one of a number of environmentally-friendly new settlements to be built in England.

It will include schools, a community centre, an energy plant and a library.

The town will also have strong transport links as planners are to give it a dedicated bus route to Exeter, as well as build a railway station on the Exeter to Waterloo line.

Developers including Persimmon, Redrow and Taylor Wimpey are involved in the project.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 09, 2011, 18:17:08
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12673622):

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Work set to start on new town at Cranbrook in Devon

Work could start within weeks on the first phase of a new town in Devon.

As well as more than 3,000 new homes, Cranbrook will have schools, a community centre, an energy plant and a library.

The aim is to tackle housing need in east Devon and ensure strong transport links with a dedicated railway station and bus route.

East Devon District Council described Cranbrook as an "eco-trailblazer".

Outline planning permission for an initial 1,100 homes was granted last October.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: noddingdonkey on March 10, 2011, 00:32:05
I bet it won't have a library let alone a railway station.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Bob_Blakey on March 11, 2011, 14:21:40
http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/New-town-s-rail-station-track/article-3318802-detail/article.html (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/New-town-s-rail-station-track/article-3318802-detail/article.html)

Yet more proof, were it needed, that our elected representatives (in this case EDDC) don't have a clue when it comes to transport planning; this decision means that new residents will be in their homes for, probably, at least 12 months before the station opens.

No prizes for guessing what happens when they are asked to swap transport mode from car to train.



Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: bambam on June 05, 2011, 17:44:38
I bet it won't have a library let alone a railway station.

It will if that's terms of their planning permission.

The advantage of using a spare unit here is that the homes are new so people are more likely to be enticed, like it has been mentioned Feniton and Whimple should get a more frequent service while SWT to London should be sped up (a train adds 3 minutes to the journey time for each station stop, so taking out Pinhoe, Fenition and Whimple and adding in Cranbrook would give them a saving of at least 6 mintes) and this would enhance the service to Honiton and Axminster, both substantial towns.

Am I right in thinking that each hour their are 2 cross country trains and 2 First Great Western HSTs each hour from Exeter to Plymouth? If so couldn't one of these stop at Dawlish and Teignmouth and could it even be diverted to Paignton. 3 trains an hour from Exeter to Plymouth is still good going for Exeter-Plymouth and it would provide the Cornish Riveria with a high quality service.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on June 05, 2011, 17:56:48
I bet it won't have a library let alone a railway station.

It will if that's terms of their planning permission.

The advantage of using a spare unit here is that the homes are new so people are more likely to be enticed, like it has been mentioned Feniton and Whimple should get a more frequent service while SWT to London should be sped up (a train adds 3 minutes to the journey time for each station stop, so taking out Pinhoe, Fenition and Whimple and adding in Cranbrook would give them a saving of at least 6 mintes) and this would enhance the service to Honiton and Axminster, both substantial towns.

Am I right in thinking that each hour their are 2 cross country trains and 2 First Great Western HSTs each hour from Exeter to Plymouth? If so couldn't one of these stop at Dawlish and Teignmouth and could it even be diverted to Paignton. 3 trains an hour from Exeter to Plymouth is still good going for Exeter-Plymouth and it would provide the Cornish Riveria with a high quality service.

1 Cross Country and 1 GW HST per hour roughly, less at certain times of day, more at peaks etc.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: bambam on June 09, 2011, 22:05:15

1 Cross Country and 1 GW HST per hour roughly, less at certain times of day, more at peaks etc.

Is there only one train from Paddington to Exeter each hour?

Also what happens to the Manchester to the southwest train then?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on June 09, 2011, 23:20:35

1 Cross Country and 1 GW HST per hour roughly, less at certain times of day, more at peaks etc.

Is there only one train from Paddington to Exeter each hour?

Also what happens to the Manchester to the southwest train then?

Typically one train per hour Paddington - Plymouth, Manchester trains generally terminate at Bristol Temple Meads, only certain continuing south to Plymouth/Paignton


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: FarWestJohn on June 13, 2011, 12:03:51
There is more information here on new stations in Devon:

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/Stations-planned-improve-rail-network/story-12759964-detail/story.html?

From This is Exeter today:

The council has undertaken an appraisal as part of a larger transport strategy.

A county council spokesman said: "We are continuing to work on feasibility designs and a preliminary economic assessment for the Devon Metro project."

It is predicted that 828 passengers a day would use a station at Marsh Barton, on the Exeter to Dawlish line, or 1,316 if the service is improved.

The report states: "Marsh Barton look to be well justified, serving significant residential and employment [areas]."

The scheme is in the exploratory stages and is not included in any funding programme until 2019.

The need for new stations at proposed city developments at Newcourt and Monkerton is also highlighted.

The report states: "Both the Newcourt and Monkerton potential new stations would generate significant patronage serving existing and future development."

A suggestion that there could be a new station to the north of Exmouth, on the Avocet line, is also put forward.

The document states: "The forecast patronage for Exmouth North represents additional passengers compared with the existing Exmouth station.

"In reality Exmouth North would be more convenient and would attract some passengers from Exmouth station as the analysis of existing rail users showed that Exmouth station attracts passengers from a wide area using nearby parking, cycle facilities, drop off etc.

"Also parking at Exmouth station is often full and Exmouth North would provide additional car parking for increased train capacity and frequency.

"Additional development in north Exmouth would strengthen the case for Exmouth North station, but a suitable station site would need to be found."

The report also suggests there could be new stations along the Exeter to Newton Abbot line and on the Torbay branch line, including Edginswell and Kingskerswell, although it is unlikely both stations would be progressed.

The report states: "On the Torbay line new stations at Marsh Barton and Edginswell are forecast to generate high levels of patronage while both Kingskerswell and Exminster would be much lower."

The forecasts expect there could be 240 passengers a day using Kingskerswell, and if the rail service was improved that figure could jump to 359.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 13, 2011, 15:17:31
i think they underestimate kingskerswell, as for exminster... its a fair walk to the village,unless the swans nest gets a station  ;D.... in exminster surly plus bus extension would be the answer


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on June 13, 2011, 16:54:30
i think they underestimate kingskerswell, as for exminster... its a fair walk to the village,unless the swans nest gets a station  ;D.... in exminster surly plus bus extension would be the answer

I'm not sure about Kingskerswell, it's situated at the back of the housing estate I believe, and most people have cars/close access to the number 12 bus so it's far more convenient to go to nearby Newton Abbot where there is a much better level of service.

As for Edginswell, it might serve as a good Park & Ride for Torbay helping avoid the busy Newton Road.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 13, 2011, 17:22:30
yeh i guess, mind you its the paignton direction it would be handy for..... i hate waiting in traffic on that road, even worse when your hopping on and off it doing multidrop 


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: bambam on June 13, 2011, 19:22:02

I'm not sure about Kingskerswell, it's situated at the back of the housing estate I believe, and most people have cars/close access to the number 12 bus so it's far more convenient to go to nearby Newton Abbot where there is a much better level of service.


Trains are more attractive than buses for traveling though.

i think they underestimate kingskerswell,

They generally do underestimate reopening.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on August 14, 2011, 15:34:49
Update on Cranbrook, while searching for something else on NR's website a link to a 'workbank planning' document cropped up, dated May this year, and the same document showed that a design and build contract (GRIP 5-8) for 'Cranbrook new station' is currently out to tender with the Western route civils framework contractor. 

The relevant 'Network change notification' for the new station was also established in July.

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 20, 2012, 14:34:46
From This Is Exeter: (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/story-14974100-detail/story.html)

Quote from: This Is Exeter
New rail station is running late

THE timetable for building a railway station to serve the new town of Cranbrook has been pushed back.

Devon County Council had announced that it expected construction work on the multi-million pound station to start this spring.

But with a planning application yet to be submitted, the authority has said there is "more work yet to do" before it can confirm when the station will be built.

The county council has been working with Network Rail and South West Trains on the plans.

The station would give residents of Cranbrook, being built to the east of the city, a direct link to the rail network and is also expected to be used by workers at the nearby Skypark business park and Exeter Science Park. It is understood that services on the Exeter St David's to London Waterloo line will call at Cranbrook.

A council spokesman said: "There's a bit more work yet to do before a planning application can be submitted.

"The authority met with East Devon District Council planners and some parish councils in November for pre-application discussions that will help inform the submitted planning application.

"Those discussions included ideas about aspects of the design, such as the car park layout and types of facilities that will be provided, for example, the waiting shelter type, and cycle parking."

Initially it will be unmanned with a single platform, two shelters and a ticket machine. But the station will be designed with a view to adding a second platform as the number of passengers using it rises in the years ahead, if a double track is reinstated.

The initial layout also has an access road, a car park with more than 100 spaces, bus and taxi stops and bicycle parking.

The cost has been estimated at ^3.5 million, rising to ^4.5m by the time the station is fully developed. The county council is in talks with the South West Regional Development Agency and the Homes and Communities Agency about how to fund the project.

It was always intended that Cranbrook should have its own station, as well as a secondary school and two primary schools.

When work on the station was initially announced, Councillor Stuart Hughes, cabinet member for highways and transportation, said: "From the very start of planning the Cranbrook new community 15 years ago it was clear that a new railway station should be a fundamental part of the concept."


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 29, 2012, 00:36:11
From the Exmouth Journal (http://www.exmouthjournal.co.uk/news/plans_for_new_railway_station_submitted_1_1333150):

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Plans for new railway station submitted

Detailed plans have been submitted for a new ^4.5million railway station at Cranbrook.

The station has been developed by Devon County Council, East Devon District Council and the New Community Partnership, working with Network Rail and South West Trains.

Plans include a single platform, with the potential for a second track and a second platform.

As well as the new Cranbrook development, the station, on the Exeter to Waterloo line, will also serve Exeter Science Park and Skypark.

Outline planning permission was granted in 2010, and, subject to planning approval, work is expected to start in spring 2013.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 13, 2012, 19:46:31
From the Western Morning News (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-stations-planned-boost-Metro-links/story-17079192-detail/story.html):

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Residents and businesses are being asked to comment on proposals for two new railway stations in Exeter.

Views are being sought in advance of formal planning applications being registered for the stations at Newcourt and Marsh Barton.

The stations will form a central part of plans to improve rail services through the Devon Metro initiative.

The station at Newcourt would be adjacent to the former Royal Naval Stores Depot development area, and would be just over 10 minutes from the city centre.

At Marsh Barton the station would be centrally located within the trading estate near the rail bridge served off Alphin Brook Road.

It is hoped that the latter station will relieve pressure on the A379 and Countess Wear from those commuting to the estate from south and east Devon. It will also increase public transport access to the Riverside Valley Park.

Both new stations will have similar facilities to those at Digby and Sowton, and will be connected to the city's walking and cycling networks.

Councillor Andrew Leadbetter, county councillor for St Loye's and Topsham, said he hoped that the Newcourt station could be operational in two years' time. He added: "It's encouraging that we are consulting and involving the local residents at an early stage. I look forward to when the station is open, offering an alternative mode of transport to local residents, while also helping to reduce congestion on local roads, including Topsham Road."

Alphington and Cowick county councillor Vanessa Newcombe said: "I welcome the progress of the proposal to put a new railway station in Marsh Barton. It will be a great asset to the area."

Councillor Stuart Hughes, Devon's cabinet member for highways and transportation, said: "Plans are still being developed and while this is at a relatively early stage of the process we want to hear the thoughts of local businesses and local residents. There will obviously be more consultation once the plans have been developed and the formal process for applications is under way."

Comments should be emailed to transportplanning@devon.gov.uk, or they can be posted to Transport Planning, Lucombe House, County Hall, Topsham Road, Exeter EX2 4QD.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on October 17, 2012, 17:47:36
I had lunch, with much of the FTN! family, at the Double Locks on Sunday. It was very pleasant, and I would love to go back there without the car, so put me down as a "Yes" for Marsh Barton!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on October 19, 2012, 22:28:50
I work on marsh Barton I wish I could dump my car at Honiton and get the train in, instead of wasting my morning In that stupid traffic


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on December 11, 2012, 19:36:32
Devon County Councillors are looking at the outline plans for the two new stations at Newcourt and Marsh Barton prior to the formal planning applications being submitted.

From the Devon County Council news centre (http://www.devonnewscentre.info/business/new-train-stations-will-bring-economic-benefit-and-ease-traffic-congestion-in-the-city/):

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New train stations will bring economic benefit and ease traffic congestion in the city

Posted on: 11 December 2012

Councillors will be asked this week, Wednesday 12 December, to approve layout plans for two new railway stations for Exeter, prior to formal planning applications being submitted. The two new stations, at Newcourt and Marsh Barton, will be part of the Devon Metro initiative, developed to help the local rail network improve capacity and quality of service. They are supported by Devon County Council^s Local Transport Plan and Exeter City^s Local Development Framework.

Newcourt station will be located adjacent to the former Royal Naval Stores Depot development area, with journey times into the city centre of just over 10 minutes.  It will consist of a single 124 metre platform, suitable for longer trains, and will include a shelter, ticket machine and customer information system. Pedestrian and cyclists^ access will mainly be from Liberty Way.  A small drop off area and parking for disabled people will also be provided.

The station at Marsh Barton will be centrally located within the trading estate, near the rail bridge served off Alphin Brook Road.  It will provide the opportunity for rail commuting from South and East Devon to the estate, relieving pressure on the A379 and Countess Wear. Two platforms, both 124 metres long, will be linked by a footbridge with a lift. The platforms will have shelters, ticket machines and a customer information system. Because Marsh Barton station will be used more by commuters travelling to work, it will have only limited parking, accessed from the Riverside Valley Park side of the railway, with spaces available for disabled people. Access for pedestrians, cyclists, and for emergency vehicles will from the Marsh Barton side of the station.

Both the Newcourt and Marsh Barton stations will include secure cycle facilities and CCTV security.

Proposals for the new stations have been positively received by the Devon and Exeter Rail Working Party and are supported by First Great Western and Network Rail, the Rail Users Group and the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership.

If Councillors like the plans on Wednesday, formal applications for planning permissions will be made, with further consultation to follow as part of the planning process. Preliminary estimated costs, subject to the final designs, are expected to be in the region of ^2 million for the new station at Newcourt, and ^4 million for the station at Marsh Barton. Funding has yet to be secured, but the Council hopes that with the outline designs agreed and with planning permission, they^ll be in a stronger position to secure external funding.

Devon County Council^s Cabinet Member with responsibility for Highways and Transportation, Cllr Stuart Hughes, said: ^We have an excellent rail network in Devon, with many of our major market and coastal towns well connected with Exeter, providing transport for work, leisure or shopping. We are keen that the rail network fulfils its potential and these two new stations will build upon recent funding secured for additional services and capacity on local routes out of Exeter. Economic assessment has shown that the proposed new stations would be good value for money providing travel time benefits for rail users who would be able to avoid traffic congestion on surrounding roads. Other road users are anticipated to benefit from congestion relief. There are few counties in the country making such major steps with the rail network and I will be encouraging Members to support this ongoing investment in the rail system, which is fundamental in supporting sustainable growth across the county.^

Councillor Andrew Leadbetter, County Councillor for St Loyes and Topsham, said: ^ve been listening to people about the proposals and have taken their views on board. I^m looking forward to when the station is open, offering an alternative mode of transport to local residents, whilst also helping to reduce congestion on local roads, including Topsham Road."

Councillor Vanessa Newcombe, County Councillor for Alphington and Cowick, said: ^I welcome the progress of the proposal to put a new railway station in Marsh Barton. It will be a great asset to the area.^

Subject to Wednesday^s decision, the planning applications will be considered by the Council^s independent Development Management Committee in the New Year.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: eightf48544 on December 12, 2012, 08:06:14
Which lines are these new stations?

Presumably with current timetabling practice each stop will add up to 5 minutes to the running time. Is there enough line capacity to accommodate the additional running time? Plus stock for the extra passengers?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on December 12, 2012, 08:21:30
Newcourt station will be on the Exeter-Exmouth line (aka Avocet Line) between Digby & Sowton and Topsham.

Marsh Barton station will be on the Exeter-Plymouth main line approximately 1^ miles down from Exeter St Thomas station.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on December 13, 2012, 11:12:13
I just have a couple of concerns .... with marsh barton presumably it would be served by the exmouth-paignton services giving a decent option from the paignton direction but how long do the services wait at exeter st davids before continuing their journey? also looking at services coming from the west of england line from honiton and axminster the current timetables mean that getting to exeter st thomas most of the time is a nightmare presumably this would be no different?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Nibat on December 13, 2012, 12:05:22
The connections between Paignton and Waterloo trains are pretty good these days since SWT change the departure time from Exeter after the introduction of hourly services:

The services from Honiton and Axminster usually arrive at Exeter St Davids at about xx.42 and the Paignton trains usually depart at xx.56.  Likewise, in the other direction, services from St Thomas arrive at about xx.15 and Waterloo trains depart at xx.26. 

Maybe this is different at peaks when the Paignton trains run very 30-ish minutes, but the waiting time shouldn't be more than 20-25 minutes...


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 08, 2013, 19:32:41
An update on related road developments, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-20950807):

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Exeter M5 junction 29 scheme opened by transport secretary

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56054000/jpg/_56054225_bridge.jpg)
Redhayes Bridge which crosses the M5 near junction 29 won an award when it was built in 2011

A major road scheme near Exeter has been officially opened by Transport Secretary Norman Baker.

The ^11m improvements to junction 29 of the M5 include new slip roads to the A30 and Exeter's new science park.

The roads will also serve the Skypark business development, the new town of Cranbrook, Flybe's training academy and a new terminal at Exeter Airport.

The Redhayes Bridge, which crosses the M5 near the junction, won a British Construction Industry Award in 2011.

After the official opening, Mr Baker was taken on a tour of the ^3m energy centre at Skypark.

Work on the junction upgrade began in May 2011.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: swrural on January 08, 2013, 21:05:29
Broadclyst closed station was very handily placed to run a shuttle bus to Exeter Airport but perhaps a similar service could be run from the new Cranbrook one, via the airport, to outlying eastern areas of Exeter such as the Met Office and other trading estates, I mean 'business parks', no 'science parks'.  Better late than never, but one does feel that it's roads first (maybe rail sometime) where the local councils are concerned.

The glossy flyover video is here

http://www.iviewer3d.co.uk/eed/flythrough.htm



Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: John R on May 15, 2013, 19:11:01
Note that the government has today confirmed funding for Newcourt station on the branch.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on May 15, 2013, 23:14:35
Note that the government has today confirmed funding for Newcourt station on the branch.

But not Marsh Barton. I'm not sure that the local authority actually asked for funding in this round, probably because schemes had to be "shovel ready".


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2013, 11:10:28
From a FGW Press Release ciculated to the Customer Panel -

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Plans for a new ^1.44 million railway station in Devon have been unveiled by Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin following a visit to the region.
The new station at Newcourt was given the green light alongside three other stations in the UK after successfully applying for funding under the New Station Fund.
The fund is part of ^37 billion worth of investment spent from 2014 to 2019, which will modernise the railways and provide massive benefits to both passengers and the UK economy.
Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, who was in the region on Wednesday and Thursday [15 and 16 May] to meet with First Great Western^s Managing Director Mark Hopwood and other stakeholders said:
^Funding this new station illustrates our commitment to working with community and national partners to meet local transport needs that not only deliver real benefits to passengers but also improves the network.
^This is another example of the government^s determination to transform the railways as we continue to push forward with the biggest programme of rail investment ever.^
Mark Hopwood said:
^First Great Western are delighted that the Department for Transport has approved Devon County Council^s bid for a new station at Newcourt. 
^The growth in rail travel in Devon is amongst the highest in the country.   
^We have a strong partnership here with the council, the community and our industry partners.^  ^We now look forward to working with them to develop the new station, and to secure further improvements for our customers.^
The fund, managed by Network Rail, was announced at the end of January when local authorities, train operating companies and developers were invited to bid for funding towards the construction costs of brand new stations.
The successful bids announced today are:
^   Newcourt, Devon, where the DfT will pay for around half of the scheme expected to cost in the region of ^1.5 million
^   Ilkeston, Derbyshire, which will receive over ^4.5 million of DfT funding towards a scheme worth over ^6.5 million
^   Lea Bridge, London Borough of Waltham Forest, which will receive over ^1 million towards a scheme worth in excess of ^6.5 million
^   Pye Corner, Newport, which will receive over ^2.5 million towards a scheme worth over ^3.5 million
Scheme sponsor Devon County Council will now work with Network Rail to finalise the Newcourt station plans with the new station planned to open before the end of 2014.

Not being a Devon local - which line is this on?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 20, 2013, 11:28:47
I'm not either, but Google Is My Friend:

It's in exeter (http://www.exeter.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=15937&p=0)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2013, 11:36:58
Doesn't answer my question.....:-)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 20, 2013, 11:41:11
Following the link would! It's on the Exmouth line, between Digby & Sowton and Topsham.

In the document I see once again the rather gray-squirrelish term 'slue' - meaning, I presume, 'slew'. Are we in the process of adoptizing all Usanian railroad terms now?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2013, 11:49:35
Thanks - I'd missed that it was a link...


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 20, 2013, 11:59:14
Fair point, it doesn't show up very well - I'll try to be clearer in future.  :)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: phile on May 20, 2013, 17:58:23

Perhaps would have been more approriate to have been posted on "Shorter Journeys in Devon" Board.   I doubt if yhere will ever be anyservices from London calling there !!!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 20, 2013, 19:31:42
Fair comment: I have now moved and merged these related topics into this ongoing discussion here.  ;)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on May 20, 2013, 23:55:34
Usanian

That's the nippy 100 yards dash fella, yeah?  :D


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 21, 2013, 08:38:29
Usanian

That's the nippy 100 yards dash fella, yeah?  :D

I was possibly being a bit obscure... 'Usanian' means 'of or pertaining to the United States of America'; not to be confused with 'American' which should (but I'll accept often doesn't) cover a rather larger area.

I have no idea what they call 'sleepers' in Paraguay.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on May 21, 2013, 18:35:44

I have no idea what they call 'sleepers' in Paraguay.

"Traviesas (de ferrocarril)" if you mean the ties between rails, "Tren del durmiente" o "Tren nocturno" if you mean Zzzz. I have no idea what they call agents of espionage or terror placed undercover in society as seemingly innocuous persons, until being called into active service by a malign power.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 21, 2013, 23:40:00
Meanwhile, from the First Great Western press release:

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New ^1.44 million railway station announced in Devon

Plans for a new ^1.44 million railway station in Devon have been unveiled by Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin following a visit to the region.
The new station at Newcourt was given the green light alongside three other stations in the UK after successfully applying for funding under the New Station Fund.

The fund is part of ^37 billion worth of investment spent from 2014 to 2019, which will modernise the railways and provide massive benefits to both passengers and the UK economy.

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin, who was in the region on Wednesday and Thursday [15 and 16 May] to meet with First Great Western^s Managing Director Mark Hopwood and other stakeholders said: ^Funding this new station illustrates our commitment to working with community and national partners to meet local transport needs that not only deliver real benefits to passengers but also improves the network. This is another example of the government^s determination to transform the railways as we continue to push forward with the biggest programme of rail investment ever.^

Mark Hopwood said: ^First Great Western are delighted that the Department for Transport has approved Devon County Council^s bid for a new station at Newcourt. The growth in rail travel in Devon is amongst the highest in the country. We have a strong partnership here with the council, the community and our industry partners. We now look forward to working with them to develop the new station, and to secure further improvements for our customers.^

The fund, managed by Network Rail, was announced at the end of January when local authorities, train operating companies and developers were invited to bid for funding towards the construction costs of brand new stations.

The successful bids announced today are:
Newcourt, Devon, where the DfT will pay for around half of the scheme expected to cost in the region of ^1.5 million
Ilkeston, Derbyshire, which will receive over ^4.5 million of DfT funding towards a scheme worth over ^6.5 million
Lea Bridge, London Borough of Waltham Forest, which will receive over ^1 million towards a scheme worth in excess of ^6.5 million
Pye Corner, Newport, which will receive over ^2.5 million towards a scheme worth over ^3.5 million

Scheme sponsor Devon County Council will now work with Network Rail to finalise the Newcourt station plans with the new station planned to open before the end of 2014.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2013, 00:34:09
Do we know if there's more stations still to be announced or whether those four are it?  Seems to be a little bit left in the original pot still...?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on May 22, 2013, 00:36:54
Do we know if there's more stations still to be announced or whether those four are it?  Seems to be a little bit left in the original pot still...?

Still waiting for the Avonmouth P&R... I think they like to drag it out for maximum effect.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on May 22, 2013, 11:02:58
Do we know if there's more stations still to be announced or whether those four are it?  Seems to be a little bit left in the original pot still...?

Cynical mode on... 

The DfT are presumably constantly receiving proposals for additional local stations from various authorities who claim they are all ready to go if only there were funds available.  So they announce a surprise pot of money, and a corresponding load of rules, which all boil down to proving that your project is 'shovel ready'.

Lo and behold - the sponsors weren't ready to build after all.  So the main thing DfT have achieved is to increase knowledge of what can and can't be done easily...

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 30, 2013, 18:02:28
From the Exeter Express & Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/story-20007186-detail/story.html?):

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Funding to improve ^tatty^ Polsloe Bridge railway halt

There is hope that something could be done to improve the railway halt at Polsloe Bridge.

At the moment the halt, which is well used, is looking the worse for wear, being overgrown with weeds and generally a bit tatty.

Cllr Westlake recently attended a meeting of the Avocet Line Rail Users^ Group where there were also representatives of First Great Western and the city and county councils.

Cllr Westlake said: ^This is now called a community railway line and it seems there is money available to improve stations on these. Polsloe at the moment is in a bit of a state with lots of nettles and there have been complaints from residents in Hamlin Lane about rats running around. It was decided a site visit could help see what can be done. For the first time ever it seems that the user figures will hit 1.5 million this year.

^They have also decided that they will run a Sunday service at Christmas to help those who want to come in and shop in Exeter.^


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on October 30, 2013, 18:36:57
1.5 million must be the usage for the line surely, looking at the latest usage figures.

As written, the article can suggest a different interpretation...

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: RichardB on October 30, 2013, 23:29:12
Yes, that's right, Paul.  That 1.5 million figure is for the Avocet Line as a whole -  15% up this year alone.

Good to see this story - I think there is a lot more potential at Polsloe Bridge.

There is much that can be done there, despite the limitations of an old pre-cast concrete platform and a huge flight of stairs to get to it.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 31, 2013, 00:08:47
Good to see this story - I think there is a lot more potential at Polsloe Bridge.

That's why I quoted it here, Richard.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 26, 2014, 22:19:22
An update, from the Exeter Express & Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Plans-improved-rail-service-Exeter-8217-s-Polsloe/story-20501894-detail/story.html):

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Plans for improved rail service from Exeter^s Polsloe Bridge as Marsh Barton station receives successful investment

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There are plans for an improved rail service from Exeter^s Polsloe Bridge. Commuters should be able to travel all the way from Polsloe Bridge to the planned station at Marsh Barton without having to change at Exeter St David^s.

The plans were revealed to Richard Westlake, county councillor for Polsloe and Newtown, at a meeting he attended between First Great Western, the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership and the Avocet Line Supporters group.

The news is particularly welcome as there had been fears that once the Newcourt station opens in December next year it reduce the service at Polsloe Bridge.

Cllr Westlake said: ^I asked about the future of the service as some people were worried that stops at Polsloe bridge might reduce when the Newcourt station opens but I was told that rather they are looking to improve the service and once they have the station at Marsh Barton open you will be able to travel all the way from Polsloe into central Station and then St David^s and on to Marsh Barton without having to change trains. First Great Western are very keen to work with Devon Metro on all the Devon lines to encourage as many commuters as they can to use the train.^

Newcourt station is expected to be built by next December.

Meanwhile, the plan to provide a station at Marsh Barton, just across the tracks from the new Energy from Waste plant, has also been successful in terms of investment. It was one of five schemes recently selected for investment by the newly-formed Local Transport Board for Devon and Somerset, and talks are continuing between the county council and Viridor, the operators of the Energy from Waste plant, on the question of access to the new station.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: DavidBrown on January 29, 2014, 12:25:08
Exeter Express and Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Plans-Exeter-8217-s-ninth-railway-station-Marsh/story-20519733-detail/story.html)

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PLANS have been submitted for what will be Exeter^s ninth railway station if they get the go-ahead.

Already approved are plans for a new station at Newcourt and now Devon County Council is seeking planning permission for a new railway halt at Marsh Barton, close to the new Energy from Waste plant.

According to the council it could be built in 2016.

Plans for the two platform station had to be withdrawn earlier this year because there were unresolved questions about access between Devon County Council and Viridor, the operators of the Energy from Waste plant.

These issues have now been resolved ^ and the pedestrian and cycle route now runs directly alongside Clapperbrook Lane.

A spokeswoman for the authority said: ^The county council withdrew the planning application to improve the arrangements for pedestrian and cycle access alongside the Viridor site.^

The station will be unstaffed. It will have waiting shelters, cycle racks lighting, CCTV and an integrated help point and customer information service facility.

The county council is also proposing to erect a new steel footbridge to provide access across the railway for pedestrians and cyclists.

The scheme, which has received widespread support from the Marsh Barton Business Forum, which represents traders on the estate, is part of the Devon Metro project which aims to improve the railway network across the county.

A spokesman for the county council said: ^Once we have gained planning approval we will also be commencing the procurement process for a design and build contractor with a view to detailed design in 2015 and then construction in 2016.^


Read more: http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Plans-Exeter-8217-s-ninth-railway-station-Marsh/story-20519733-detail/story.html#ixzz2rmzpEPBo


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on January 29, 2014, 23:11:07
Couldn't the EE&E have got an artist's impression of the new station actually showing some railway lines or a train?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2014, 23:15:52
Wot - and spoil the cosy image of that idyllic rural summer scene??  :o ::) ;D


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on January 30, 2014, 16:17:39
How's about...
Quote
(http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276349/Article/images/20344208/5643353.jpg)

PLANS have been submitted for what will be Exeter^s ninth railway station if they get the go-ahead.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on July 08, 2014, 23:21:22
From the Exeter Express & Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Work-start-Exeter-8217-s-Newcourt-station/story-21343321-detail/story.html?):

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Work to start on Exeter^s Newcourt station for completion by December

The design and build contract has been awarded for a new ^1.5m train station in Exeter^s Newcourt.

Dyer & Butler and work is due to start on site this month for completion by December.

Newcourt station will be on the Exmouth branch line between Digby, Sowton and Topsham.

The line has already seen massive passenger growth over the last decade ^ from 800,000 passengers in 2002 to 1.2 million in 2012. The station will serve new housing and employment areas.

It is expected to open before the end of 2014 with trains running every half an hour.

Site clearance and reptile fencing has been established in advance of construction and the pedestrian footpath linking the station with Old Rydon Lane is nearly complete.

The local community group has been involved in the longer term arrangements for adopting the station and caring for the surrounding soft landscaping.

Government backing for the ^1.44m Newcourt Station was revealed by the Minister during a visit to the region.




Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on July 09, 2014, 17:09:57
This is a bit of a breakneck rush, isn't it? Only two years from start to finish.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on July 09, 2014, 18:06:53
.
From the Exeter Express & Echo

Newcourt station will be on the Exmouth branch line between Digby, Sowton and Topsham.

Wondered for a moment how it could be between 3 stations...    ???

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on July 09, 2014, 19:54:50

Wondered for a moment how it could be between 3 stations...    ???

Paul

Having been to Digby and Sowton station(s), I wondered similarly. I may go to Cam and/or Dursley soon.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Bob_Blakey on July 10, 2014, 07:23:47
Some of you seem to have been expecting accurate reporting by the Exeter Express & Echo...how very quaint.  :)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on July 10, 2014, 10:04:14
Is that the Express or the Echo you are referring to Bob?  ;D


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Oberon on September 06, 2014, 09:07:11
Yesterday Transport Minister Baroness Kramer cut the first sod at Newcourt, the site a new station in Devon. This project is one of 5 to be awarded funding by the government, following a successful bid by Devon County Council in May 2013.

The new station, which will include a ticket machine, passenger information system, secure cycle parking, disabled parking spaces and CCTV, will be served by a half-hourly local service between Exeter St David^s and Exmouth.
 


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Rapidash on September 06, 2014, 15:22:36
Went past enroute to Exmouth yesterday, and saw there were diggers already working. A gaggle of FGW managers were looking pretty happy about it.

Has work on Cranbrook started yet?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Oberon on September 06, 2014, 15:56:54
WORK is expected to begin on the construction of the new station in the autumn.

The provision of the station was delayed when the original contractor pulled out.

Network Rail is responsible for delivery of the platform works and had originally planned to appoint their preferred contractor in early January.

The contractor however pulled out just before the contract was awarded.



Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 06, 2014, 17:09:13
Thanks for posting here, Oberon and Rapidash.  :)

This afternoon, I've looked at several previous topics here on the Coffee Shop forum on the subject of 'new stations in Devon'.

I've now reached the conclusion that they are all so inter-connected, and with so much comparison, overlapping and cross-referencing, that it's probably best if they were all to be merged into one wider discussion of the whole subject - purely in the interests of continuity and ease of future reference.

Please bear with me while I put together such a definitive topic on the subject.  ;) :D ;D




Edit note: Now done - I hope this helps. CfN.  :)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on September 07, 2014, 23:22:27
Edit note: Now done - I hope this helps. CfN.  :)

Murky buckets, as they say in Franglais, Chris. All will become clear, in due course.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Oberon on September 24, 2014, 17:47:09
I passed the site of Cranbrook station yesterday en route to Dawlish. Work on actual station buildings or platform do not seem to have started yet but the associated car park seems to be virtually finished.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on September 25, 2014, 16:15:03
I passed the site of Cranbrook station yesterday en route to Dawlish. Work on actual station buildings or platform do not seem to have started yet but the associated car park seems to be virtually finished.
Went out there with camera today and whilst the above is correct, it appears that no more work has actually been done since the last time I was out there (in February). Classic bit of planning - what with the original idea of a two platform station with passing loop having been kicked into touch, it appears that a large [immovable] oak tree stands in a strategic position and will need to be built around!


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Rapidash on November 02, 2014, 17:45:08
Anyone know what works is happening next to the waste plant in Marsh Barton? Looks somewhat similar in size and scope as the Newcourt station build - and the MB station is meant to be in that sort of location! Didnt think it was due to be built for a few years though?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: bradshaw on December 20, 2014, 20:07:47
Passed the site of Cranbrook station today; the blockwork supports for the platform are nearly complete and some of the platform slabs are lying on them.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 13, 2015, 22:43:56
From the Exeter Express & Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Cost-new-Exeter-railway-station-Marsh-Barton/story-26816569-detail/story.html):

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Cost of new Exeter railway station at Marsh Barton increases by ^3m

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Plans for the new station

The cost of building a new railway station at Marsh Barton has rocketed, the Echo can reveal.

When the scheme for the two-platform station was granted planning permission in July last year the cost was estimated at ^4.33m ^ it is now expected to be more than ^3m higher, at ^7.4m.

However, Devon^s cabinet is recommended to approve pressing ahead with the scheme when it meets next Wednesday as officers believe that it is still ^very good value for money^.

There are several reasons for the increased costs but the fact that the station will be on a main line has a significant bearing.

Members of the cabinet will hear that discussions are continuing with tenderers Network Rail and First Great Western to find ways of bringing costs down, such as re-timing sleeper trains to allow more working hours overnight, using single-line working at night and using innovative construction methods to minimise rail-side working time.

The scheme has already been out to tender and a contract is due to be awarded this coming September. However, if this date is missed it will have to go out to tender again, meaning more cost.

Exeter City Council is being asked to contribute ^1.3m to the scheme and its executive is due to take a decision when it meets later this month.

Teignbridge District Council has already agreed to contribute the same amount and a similar amount is being put in by Devon County Council.

It is proposed that the rest of the funding needed will come from the Government^s Growth Deal.

Councillor Andrew Leadbetter, Devon County Council Cabinet Member for Economy and Growth, said the development was still good value for money.

He said: ^The opening of new rail stations on existing lines is relatively rare in this country and our recent experience at Newcourt has shown us that the actual cost of delivering a new station at Marsh Barton is likely to be higher than first thought. The estimate for the Marsh Barton station has changed for a number of reasons, including price inflation, legislation changes, changes to site access, and the fact that Network Rail and First Great Western fees are significantly higher than anticipated.^

He said the scheme wouldn^t proceed until funding is agreed.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on September 16, 2015, 23:04:27
Have I missed something?

I was checking realtimetrains for EXD-WAT on Saturday 19th as I know that they are being diverted. Imagine my surprise when I noticed that all services will be stopping at Cranbrook! I wasn't aware the station was opening yet. Does anybody know an different?

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Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on September 16, 2015, 23:16:16
Phil, I saw an Exeter express and Echo article a few weeks back giving an opening date of October. Can't remember any more than that.

Every service between Friday night and Sunday night is calling according to real time trains, and then nothing for the rest of the month.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Southernman on September 17, 2015, 00:07:50
Think you will need to step off smartly as the train passes through at 85mph! I have seen mentions before of Cranbrook on Journey Check so I conclude that the programmed times for Cranbrook are normally hidden from public view for the time being.

There are engineering works in connection with Cranbrook on Sunday 4 October. Perhaps these are to deal with the signalling issue (the station falls between a strike point for lowering the barriers and the level crossing - possibly a new switch at Basingstoke is required to differentiate between through and stopping trains as already exists at Crewkerne to enable the barriers to operate at the correct time?).


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on September 17, 2015, 17:49:23
Think you will need to step off smartly as the train passes through at 85mph! I have seen mentions before of Cranbrook on Journey Check so I conclude that the programmed times for Cranbrook are normally hidden from public view for the time being.

I did hear that as well, that the Cranbrook calls were timed and inserted in the WTT a few timetable periods ago, but are suppressed for public display on screens and things,   I think it all coincided with some rationalisation of the normal calling patterns at Whimple and Feniton, whenever that was...

The Cranbrook timings are listed in the current pdf version, shown in green.   The note at the end appears somewhat optimistic:  http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/uploads/ptt20may2015.pdf

Paul


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on September 17, 2015, 21:04:21
Phil, I saw an Exeter express and Echo article a few weeks back giving an opening date of October. Can't remember any more than that.

Every service between Friday night and Sunday night is calling according to real time trains, and then nothing for the rest of the month.

Checking RTT again omits Cranbrook until Monday, 12th October when it appears once again as a stop for every service - so, I guess that opening day is currently planned for Monday, 12th October.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on November 01, 2015, 13:53:48
I've just been speaking to a friend who has recently moved to Cranbrook and, apparently, the latest anecdotal evidence regarding the opening of Cranbrook station is that "it has been delayed because somebody forgot to install a telephone line for the TVM"  :D   

The latest guesstimate is 14th December.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 01, 2015, 17:13:57
Is that possibly the same chump who apparently forgot to install a telephone line at Melksham for their new ticket vending machine ... ?  :o ::) ;D


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 01, 2015, 17:27:45
Is that possibly the same chump who apparently forgot to install a telephone line at Melksham for their new ticket vending machine ... ?  :o ::) ;D

Fortunately didn't stop Melksham being used though. Is there any reason why passengers couldn't buy on board in the interim?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on November 01, 2015, 18:30:38
Is that possibly the same chump who apparently forgot to install a telephone line at Melksham for their new ticket vending machine ... ?  :o ::) ;D

You mean that bloke Openreach?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on November 01, 2015, 19:15:42
Is that possibly the same chump who apparently forgot to install a telephone line at Melksham for their new ticket vending machine ... ?  :o ::) ;D

Fortunately didn't stop Melksham being used though. Is there any reason why passengers couldn't buy on board in the interim?

Whilst I am sure that would be possible, I think it would be more of a PR disaster if the station were allowed to open with no ticketing facilities. The bulk of travellers from Cranbrook would probably be heading west to Exeter and if you believe local publicity hype, then this will number in the hundreds  :o and the TM would probably claim not to have time to do any ticketing checks- leaving queues at the EXC barriers.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on November 01, 2015, 20:10:09
I've just been speaking to a friend who has recently moved to Cranbrook and, apparently, the latest anecdotal evidence regarding the opening of Cranbrook station is that "it has been delayed because somebody forgot to install a telephone line for the TVM"  :D   

The latest guesstimate is 14th December.

Just also heard that Cranbrook is exclusively fibre optic telephone cabling, but the TVM (and local Post Office for that matter) apparently requires copper wire. So they now have to dig a trench and lay a copper cable that will be at least one mile in length. Oops  ::)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 01, 2015, 20:16:54
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... a copper cable that will be at least one mile in length.

Well worth nicking, then.



Sorry: did I say that out loud??  :o ::) :-X


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on November 02, 2015, 20:47:00
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... a copper cable that will be at least one mile in length.

Well worth nicking, then.



Sorry: did I say that out loud??  :o ::) :-X


I have pliers, but don't worry


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on November 16, 2015, 22:28:24
It's official - Cranbrook station opens on Sunday, 13th December  :)

From the Exeter Express and Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/years-Date-revealed-opening-Cranbrook-8217-s-long/story-28179096-detail/story.html)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: PhilWakely on January 10, 2016, 22:02:37
Cranbrook station open some two years behind schedule, now the new station at Marsh Barton, Exeter could still be some way off......

From the Exeter Express and Echo (http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/Work-stalled-7m-new-Exeter-railway-station-Marsh/story-28495277-detail/story.html)
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Work stalled on ^7m new Exeter railway station at Marsh Barton
(http://www.exeterexpressandecho.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276269/Article/images/28495277/11886117-large.jpg)
An artists' impression of the proposed new railway station at Marsh Barton

Bricks and tracks are yet to be laid at Marsh Barton ^7.4m train station ^ despite the scheme being approved last July.
Following recent site clearance works, Devon County Council is said to still be working on the detailed designs for the two-platform station.

A spokesman for Devon County Council has said they are working ^closely^ with Network Rail to pin down a timetable for the construction of the new city rail link.

A meeting is set to be held between the two parties in the coming weeks, and further updates on the scheme^s process are expected in due course.

The new railway halt will eventually serve thousands of staff who work at the city^s largest employment site.
It is hoped it will help to ease congestion in the area.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: johnneyw on January 10, 2016, 22:27:13
One fears that the delays on the Filton Bank 4 tracking, in part at least caused by lack of mapping and recording of underground utilities (now having to be found and uncovered by spadework) will blight this new station too. Old works done "on the cheap" all those years back are having their payback time.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on January 11, 2016, 20:38:09
One fears that the delays on the Filton Bank 4 tracking, in part at least caused by lack of mapping and recording of underground utilities (now having to be found and uncovered by spadework) will blight this new station too. Old works done "on the cheap" all those years back are having their payback time.

Buy it cheap, pay for it twice, eh?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Rapidash on January 12, 2016, 18:33:19
The waste to energy plant nearby was only built recently, so one would hope the services are fairly well mapped now.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: johnneyw on January 13, 2016, 22:10:58
One fears that the delays on the Filton Bank 4 tracking, in part at least caused by lack of mapping and recording of underground utilities (now having to be found and uncovered by spadework) will blight this new station too. Old works done "on the cheap" all those years back are having their payback time.

Buy it cheap, pay for it twice, eh?

Yes, and the rest too I fear, let's hope Rapidash's observation is correct and the services have been mapped as a result of the waste to energy plant construction...at least to a significant degree.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on January 19, 2016, 10:05:53

Buy it cheap, pay for it twice, eh?


...or, as they used to say at a large aero-engine manufacturer I once worked for: Never enough money to do it right, always enough money to do it twice.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Tim on January 19, 2016, 11:31:55

Buy it cheap, pay for it twice, eh?


...or, as they used to say at a large aero-engine manufacturer I once worked for: Never enough money to do it right, always enough money to do it twice.

Is that why planes have two engines  :)


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on January 19, 2016, 15:43:19

Is that why planes have two engines  :)

No. That's to double your chances of an engine failure.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Rapidash on January 26, 2016, 19:30:45
Herald Express (http://www.torquayheraldexpress.co.uk/Plans-unveiled-new-Torquay-station/story-28607881-detail/story.html)

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planning application has been submitted for the new Edginswell railway station on the outskirts of Torquay.

This follows a presentation of the draft plans to the   local Community Partnership group in December where a number of comments and feedback were received.

Torbay Council says these have now been incorporated, where possible, into the new application and address the design, landscaping, ecology and flood risk concerns.

The new station, which is supported by Torbay Council, is expected to open in 2018, and will consist of two platforms, both with access to shelters, ticket machines, real time information lighting and CCTV.

The station will be fully accessible to all with pedestrian access from both Newton Road and Riviera Way via steps, ramps and a footbridge to platform level.



I'm surprised it's got this far, considering the lack of funding.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: johnneyw on February 28, 2017, 23:13:36
Has anyone been travelling past the proposed Marsh Barton station site recently? Last I heard construction was due to start by now but despite the great progress Devon Metro has  made in the last few years I wonder if this one is up and running.


Title: Re: Proposed new station at Marsh Barton, near Exeter
Post by: PhilWakely on March 01, 2017, 17:52:53
Has anyone been travelling past the proposed Marsh Barton station site recently? Last I heard construction was due to start by now but despite the great progress Devon Metro has  made in the last few years I wonder if this one is up and running.

Not much obvious work going on other than some lineside clearance as reported by Devonlive.com (http://www.devonlive.com/work-begins-access-exeter-s-planned-7-4m-train/story-28698635-detail/story.html) early last year!!  It was subsequently delayed as Network Rail wanted do so further investigations.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: RichardB on March 01, 2017, 21:07:11
Marsh Barton is the subject of a bid to the Government's New Stations' Fund.  Waiting on the decision (hopefully by the end of the month).

The latest view is that it would open in December 18, all being well.  Same time as the half hourly Exeter - Paignton local service is introduced.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: johnneyw on March 01, 2017, 21:16:53
Thank you for those updates. With the uncertainty of the funding bid and that it may be granted at the earliest this month, the December 2017 opening forecast looks unlikely given the usual delays that new station construction is prone to.


Title: Fears Marsh Barton train halt plan will be scrapped
Post by: PhilWakely on October 27, 2017, 07:49:59
From Devon Live (http://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/fears-marsh-barton-train-station-683397?%3F%3F)
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Fears Marsh Barton train halt plan will be scrapped

Teignbridge Council said they are still budgeting for the new £7.4m station to be built

A new £7.4million railway station in Exeter ‘will still happen’ - despite the project being on hold due to a lack of funding.
The building of a two-platform station at Marsh Barton was due get under way at the end of 2016, only for it to be delayed for technical reasons.

A new start date of early 2017 was then given but Devon County Council had previously confirmed that the project is on hold pending the next round of Government funding.

It is all part of a project to create a Devon Metro frequent train service linking Exeter with other parts of Devon.

(https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/article270785.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Marsh-Barton-train-station.jpg)
A concept drawing of the proposed Marsh Barton train station in Exeter

But the bid for the new station at Marsh Barton, near Clapperbrook Lane, was unsuccessful as part of the latest DFT New Stations Fund – as was a bid for a new station in Edginswell in Torquay.

There won't be any more grants for New Stations until 2020 from the Government, but Rosalyn Eastman - planning officer for Teignbridge Council, confirmed at Tuesday’s planning meeting that the council were still committed to trying to fund the station and that it would still happen.

She said: We have committed funds to the project, and county council have said they would as well. We do want it to happen, but I am not aware of the exact funding position today. But I have been told that the station will happen, but I cannot be sure of when.”

The project to build the new station was due to be completed by the end of the year - but that date now seems incredibly unlikely.

(https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/article270819.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Clapperbrook-LaneJPG.jpg)
The site of the proposed Marsh Barton train station at Clapperbrook Lane

A Devon County Council spokesman had said: “We are extremely disappointed not to receive funding from the latest round of New Stations Funding and, as a result, it unfortunately means that the proposed scheme for a station at Marsh Barton will now be further delayed.

“In making its decision on funding, the Department for Transport shared our concerns at the substantial rise in costs, but they recognised that the scheme has merit, and we will be taking them up on their offer to review the scheme with them and Network Rail. The scheme will remain on hold until this meeting can be arranged with the DfT.”

They added this week that since they had not been granted the New Stations Funding, there had been no update on the funding position.

(https://i2-prod.devonlive.com/incoming/article297809.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/devonmetroJPG.jpg)
The Devon Metro proposals (Image: Devon County Council)

The railway station, near Clapperbrook Lane, will eventually serve thousands of staff who work at the city’s largest employment site, if and when it is built.

It is hoped the new station it will encourage rail travel and help to ease road congestion in the area.
When the scheme for the two-platform station was granted planning permission in 2015 the cost was estimated at £4.33million – it is now expected to be in excess of £3million more.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on July 23, 2018, 17:00:09
Moving the goal posts?

From Devon Live (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/still-no-opening-date-new-1816372)

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Back in March, it was announced by Cllr Stuart Barker, cabinet member for economy and skills, that the funding deficit is expected to be closed within the next six months.

Cllr Alan Connett asked ‘when does Devon County Council anticipate the new rail station at Marsh Barton will be in use’ at the full council meeting last Thursday.

In response, Cllr Andrea Davis, Cabinet Member for Infrastructure, Development and Waste , said: “The situation at Marsh Barton Station is that we had a station design that met Network Rail’s design standards as agreed by the steering group (which includes Network Rail).

“However, following the award of the contract to design and build the station, Network Rail's design standards changed. This has led to the design being changed and subsequent rising costs and a funding gap. We have discussed this with the Department for Transport who shared our concerns, but they have recognised the merit of the scheme.

“The opening of the Station is dependent on closing the funding gap. We are working on several options including reducing costs and securing additional sources of funding from Network Rail and potentially the GWR franchise extension. Also, we have recently submitted a bid to Government for further funds as part of national bidding process. So, at present we have no planned date for bringing the station into use.”


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 23, 2018, 19:09:03
Grahame,  Thats quite concerning.  In my time specifying things like this, once a design had been agreed, construction proceeds to the standards in force at that time.  The only exception would be if a safety issue was involved when the change would be varied into the contract.  I guess the problem here is that it seems NR is not the implementation contractor and thus feels it doesn't have anything to lose..... >:(


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on August 21, 2018, 15:59:54
I was reminded of this topic today when reviewing the video documentary of the Templecombe station reopening in 1983 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EsXAxKh9SI

As well as noting some remarkable similarities regarding the interactions with rail authorities, local councils etc between Templecombe in 1983, and us at TransWilts a couple of decades later, it is also worth noting that there was a time when the costs of opening a station could be drastically reduced by allowing local volunteers to do a lot of the building work...


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: devonexpress on August 26, 2018, 15:07:03
Moving the goal posts?

From Devon Live (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/still-no-opening-date-new-1816372)

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Back in March, it was announced by Cllr Stuart Barker, cabinet member for economy and skills, that the funding deficit is expected to be closed within the next six months.

Cllr Alan Connett asked ‘when does Devon County Council anticipate the new rail station at Marsh Barton will be in use’ at the full council meeting last Thursday.

In response, Cllr Andrea Davis, Cabinet Member for Infrastructure, Development and Waste , said: “The situation at Marsh Barton Station is that we had a station design that met Network Rail’s design standards as agreed by the steering group (which includes Network Rail).

“However, following the award of the contract to design and build the station, Network Rail's design standards changed. This has led to the design being changed and subsequent rising costs and a funding gap. We have discussed this with the Department for Transport who shared our concerns, but they have recognised the merit of the scheme.

“The opening of the Station is dependent on closing the funding gap. We are working on several options including reducing costs and securing additional sources of funding from Network Rail and potentially the GWR franchise extension. Also, we have recently submitted a bid to Government for further funds as part of national bidding process. So, at present we have no planned date for bringing the station into use.”

Sure Devon County Council would have been notified if Network Rail was planning to change its design standards?  Then again this is Great Britain nobody talks to each other in departments anymore, half the reason why projects always go over budget. It seems to me there is too big a plans for Marsh Barton, why not cut down the amount, and spend just enough to get it open and paying for itself and then do the fancy non important stuff later?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: johnneyw on August 26, 2018, 16:46:17
I've notice before that some schemes seem to start simply enough and then they take on a life of their own becoming more ambitious/complicated with the attendant increase in costs. I've seen this with Metrowest 'improvements' whereby not happy to reopen lines and increase frequency from and to Temple Meads, we now have to have through services going way beyond.

Isn't it sometimes a good idea just to start modestly and expand if the scheme takes off?



Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on August 26, 2018, 19:20:47
Isn't it sometimes a good idea just to start modestly and expand if the scheme takes off?

Yes.

I've ... built a business and set objectives ... and also set myself a few campaigning objectives since I got involved with some of this rail stuff. There's balances - to set the objectives high enough to make them complete as a working solution, yet not too high that you can't reach them.   And there's a very interesting decision to make as to whether (if you set objectives low) it will be easy to pick up and develop further based on initial success, or whether you're in an environment where you'll not get another bite at the cherry.

The other thing - and I was warned by a member of this forum in 2005 (before it was a forum). - is as you get involved, don't get so involved that you have no way back out.  Now you are not one to be stepping out with risk, JohnneyW, but I add that for completeness of the story.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: johnneyw on August 26, 2018, 21:50:09
I think Devonexpress's above observation about Marsh Barton is such a useful one. It would be great to have a complete in all aspects station up and running from day one but if that 'day one' is distant or uncertain due to high costs then surely a pared down version with an earlier start date could be seen as a serious option to consider. As long as later improvements would not, as a result, be compromised then there is surely little to loose and much to gain?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on September 06, 2018, 21:18:11
I think Devonexpress's above observation about Marsh Barton is such a useful one. It would be great to have a complete in all aspects station up and running from day one but if that 'day one' is distant or uncertain due to high costs then surely a pared down version with an earlier start date could be seen as a serious option to consider. As long as later improvements would not, as a result, be compromised then there is surely little to loose and much to gain?

The exemplar here must be the Portway Park and Ride station, near Avonmouth. I shall ignore that when the P&R was planned, the council were told that if they moved it closer to Shirehampton station, people could get the train if they wanted as well as the bus, advice that was ignored at the time because no-one caught trains then. But before the full Metrowest Rail plan was cobbled together, there was as close to a promise as you will ever get from a council that a station would be built there by 2013, at a bargain cost of £400,000. This was to be the first use of a modular construction designed to provide basic platform facilities at low cost. Five years later, it is scheduled to open in 2019 at a cost, reported by te Post a year ago, of £2.23 million, plus another £400,000, to ponce up the park and ride a bit.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: Trowres on September 06, 2018, 22:08:49
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This was to be the first use of a modular construction designed to provide basic platform facilities at low cost

After seeing the works to extend Trowbridge and Freshford, I wonder if the modular construction really works out cheaper than the old-fashioned brick / infill?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on September 06, 2018, 22:13:30
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This was to be the first use of a modular construction designed to provide basic platform facilities at low cost

After seeing the works to extend Trowbridge and Freshford, I wonder if the modular construction really works out cheaper than the old-fashioned brick / infill?


Bricklaying takes time and if you are trying to do the work overnight or in possessions then you need to minimise time. Modular construction might have seemed to take a long time, but I suggest the traditional methods would have taken even longer. 


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: TonyK on September 06, 2018, 22:21:08
Bricklaying takes time and if you are trying to do the work overnight or in possessions then you need to minimise time. Modular construction might have seemed to take a long time, but I suggest the traditional methods would have taken even longer. 

At Portway, which will be a single platform on a single line, it's taken 5 years longer so far.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: johnneyw on September 07, 2018, 00:06:02
So what was the reason for this change from a modular platform at Portway to a more traditional brick one?  Additionally, when was this change of plan made?


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on September 07, 2018, 08:13:12
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This was to be the first use of a modular construction designed to provide basic platform facilities at low cost

After seeing the works to extend Trowbridge and Freshford, I wonder if the modular construction really works out cheaper than the old-fashioned brick / infill?


Having seen the works at Melksham, I suspect that relative price comes down to how long the line / track has to be closed.  Modular construction as we have seen it has lead to an enormous amount of time and effort away from the line of track and clearance distance from it, but then with the extra platform sections being placed in a very short time.  Modern safety standards preclude work being done on an open railway with the brickies hopping out of the way as a train approaches, even if that train in under a temporary speed restriction (TSR) and there's a lookout man employed to tell the team doing the actual job to get out of the way.

Logic is that new platforms on new tracks could still be cheaper using old fashioned methods.  But then would you have the skilled team available, or is it best simply to have a single pool of roving station builders, putting in platforms at Kenilworth one week, Freshford the next, Stonehenge and Wilton next year, Pilning Westgate in 2020, and Portishead in 2021.


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: martyjon on September 07, 2018, 08:25:24
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This was to be the first use of a modular construction designed to provide basic platform facilities at low cost
After seeing the works to extend Trowbridge and Freshford, I wonder if the modular construction really works out cheaper than the old-fashioned brick / infill?
Having seen the works at Melksham, I suspect that relative price comes down to how long the line / track has to be closed.  Modular construction as we have seen it has lead to an enormous amount of time and effort away from the line of track and clearance distance from it, but then with the extra platform sections being placed in a very short time.  Modern safety standards preclude work being done on an open railway with the brickies hopping out of the way as a train approaches, even if that train in under a temporary speed restriction (TSR) and there's a lookout man employed to tell the team doing the actual job to get out of the way.

Logic is that new platforms on new tracks could still be cheaper using old fashioned methods.  But then would you have the skilled team available, or is it best simply to have a single pool of roving station builders, putting in platforms at Kenilworth one week, Freshford the next, Stonehenge and Wilton next year, Pilning Westgate in 2020, and Portishead in 2021.

Sorry, don't you mean Portishead 2120.  ;D


Title: Re: New railway stations proposed for Cranbrook, Newcourt and Marsh Barton (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on September 07, 2018, 08:33:51
Sorry, don't you mean Portishead 2120.  ;D

Love the joke ... but writing what could be done.



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