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Title: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Lee on January 22, 2009, 03:52:54 pm
Services have been disrupted on the Slough-Windsor line this afternoon, with "earlier train fault" cited as the reason on the FGW website.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: 81F on June 18, 2012, 10:36:29 am
Possibly connected with the derailment at Reading earlier this morning -- Journeycheck is currently saying that the "1020 Windsor to Slough [and subsequent journeys] will be formed of one coach instead of two. This is due to a train fault."
Does this mean one coach locked out of use , or perhaps they've borrowed a Chiltern bubblecar?


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: fatcontroller on June 18, 2012, 10:59:40 am
My technological gubbins tells me it is 165126. Must be a coach LOOU.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Southern Stag on June 18, 2012, 11:39:18 am
Door fault, so presumably the carriage with the fault had to be locked, leaving just one carriage available for use. 165126 can't be swapped for another train because of the derailment at Reading.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: James on February 12, 2014, 09:12:56 am
I know and by looking at the post an seeing its ancient, I thought it worth saying something about this.
With the weather disrupting services around the area I was wondering what sort of level of coach length is running between Slough and Windsor.
Now in the mornings a 2 car train is sufficient enough, however when it comes to late afternoon or evening it starts to get busy meaning a 3 car train is needed.
So what coach length is being used here, I have an idea but this changes day to day.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Network SouthEast on February 12, 2014, 12:39:19 pm
The same train stays on the Windsor branch for the entire day, because it is a time consuming process to get trains on and off the branch (plus it interferes with fast services on the main lines at Slough). The only time you might see a change of train during the day is if there is a fault on one.

Usually it's a two car train, but sometimes a three car ends up on the branch. Three car trains are sometimes specifically allocated to the Windsor branch for big events (i.e. the Olympics).


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: James on February 12, 2014, 01:11:16 pm
That's fair enough, i suppose its more realistic to have 2 car trains on the Windsor Branch, however with the current weather and the closure of the Windsor and Eton Riverside station, i can say that a 3 or even 4 car turbo train is really needed, as i don't think the trains can be increased from every 20 minutes currently due to the single track and distance between Slough and Windsor of 6 miles.

Aside from this I wonder what is happening with the railway bridge at Windsor and Eton Central Station over the River Thames?
Its been like that even before the wild weather arrived, has the railway bridge deteriorated so it now requires fixing?


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Network SouthEast on February 12, 2014, 01:23:44 pm
There has recently been a refurbishment of a number of bridges on the network, you may not have noticed the majority of them because you'd be speeding past at faster than 20mph.

Four car trains on the Windsor branch aren't currently possible because although the platform is long enough, there isn't a safe way of them being dispatched from Windsor & Eton Central. The platform is too curved for 'look back', and there is no DOO monitor or mirror where a four car train would be on the platform.

Don't forget that the Windsor branch is receiving electrification, so in a few years time four car electric trains will be the norm.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: James on February 12, 2014, 01:29:41 pm
There has recently been a refurbishment of a number of bridges on the network, you may not have noticed the majority of them because you'd be speeding past at faster than 20mph.

Four car trains on the Windsor branch aren't currently possible because although the platform is long enough, there isn't a safe way of them being dispatched from Windsor & Eton Central. The platform is too curved for 'look back', and there is no DOO monitor or mirror where a four car train would be on the platform.

Don't forget that the Windsor branch is receiving electrification, so in a few years time four car electric trains will be the norm.

I see that makes sense. I hope the upgraded railway bridge is resilient for 200 plus years  ;)


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: autotank on April 07, 2015, 08:06:52 pm
I passed Slough today and noticed some new signs have gone up which indicate the branch is now signaled by means of a train staff. Is this a permanent move or just a temporary one whilst new signalling is commissioned?


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Louis94 on April 07, 2015, 11:15:27 pm
What are these signs? I believe the old signals that were bagged over have been taken down, and new signals put up, and a Fixed Distant board on the approach to Windsor. Although the line is still Track Circuit Block - the new signals have all already been commissioned afaik.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: insider on April 08, 2015, 03:44:32 am
The Windsor Branch is currently (and for next 4 weeks or so) using One Train Working with staff. As the new signalling has not been commissioned. This was planned.

The Unit can be taken off the branch, with a points operator, however think the unit will outstable as much as possible to limit the number of times that is required.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: autotank on April 08, 2015, 07:30:05 am
Thanks insider for the info! Glad this is the case as it would seem a retrograde step (but perhaps understandable) to abolish the use of signals on the branch. Is the loop at Slough remaining? I know in the past it was suggested that this was unnecessary given the current service pattern and usage of the branch.

Looking ahead is there any chance of running a 15 minute interval service? What infrastructure upgrades would be needed? The current 20 minute gaps doesn't fit in that well with the 15 minute relief line service which operates for most of the day.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on April 08, 2015, 08:17:32 am
I wonder what they are using for the train staff?  Given it is only for four weeks I doubt it will be one of the nice wooden ones we see for some of the Cornish branches for example.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on April 08, 2015, 08:35:42 am

Looking ahead is there any chance of running a 15 minute interval service? What infrastructure upgrades would be needed? The current 20 minute gaps doesn't fit in that well with the 15 minute relief line service which operates for most of the day.
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To run a 15 minute service would require considerable doubling along the viaduct to give a dynamic loop and require two units.

The current running time is 6 minutes one way so 12 for both direction. Giving only 90 secs turn round at each end. I don't think an EMU would be much faster.

I believe the loop has been disconnected and is now a headshunt from the Down Main to the branch to get the unit on and off the branch.

However I presumme there is no reason why it could not be extended to from such a dynamic loop and points fitted nearer the bridge.




Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on April 08, 2015, 08:51:28 am
I wonder what they are using for the train staff? 

For short term working when the signals are out of order in our area, they use a chap in an orange jacket.   Probably expensive for 4 weeks, though!


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: autotank on April 08, 2015, 10:04:37 am
I saw the driver carrying a hoop yesterday, which to me looked like a staff although I was a passenger on a Turbo on the down relief so didn't get a great look.

Would it not be possible to raise the line speed to reduce the journey time? For a branch just over 2.5 miles, surely a 5 minute running time should be possible? It always seems slow in and out of Slough - that curve isn't THAT tight!


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Oxonhutch on April 08, 2015, 10:48:50 am
Yes a raise from 20 mph average to 30 mph average does not seem too unreasonable.  I'll have to check the SA for the maximum line speed.

[Done - Update]

So from the Sectional Appendix p. 141, with an accel/decal rate of 1m/s2, I calculate an end-to-end time of 51/2 minutes (30.3 mph) - probably doable.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: rower40 on April 08, 2015, 02:22:38 pm
The loop is being truncated into a siding, with access only at the Slough end.

What makes operation of the Windsor line easier (once the signalling is fully in use) is that there's now a signalled route from the Up Main into Slough platform 2, without having to go via the ground-position-light signal on the Down Relief.  The empty train (coming from Reading depot) will use this each morning to get onto the Windsor branch.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: autotank on April 08, 2015, 06:45:01 pm
Could this improved signalling perhaps mean later services on the branch as well? It currently finishes much earlier M-F than the Marlow and Henley branches. The last service down service is 2320 - the Henley and Marlow branches run until 2359 and 2351 respectively.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on April 09, 2015, 08:58:45 pm
Yes a raise from 20 mph average to 30 mph average does not seem too unreasonable.  I'll have to check the SA for the maximum line speed.

[Done - Update]

So from the Sectional Appendix p. 141, with an accel/decal rate of 1m/s2, I calculate an end-to-end time of 51/2 minutes (30.3 mph) - probably doable.

Which reduces the return running time from 12 to 11 minutes. So gives 30 secs extra turnround time each end. I don't see how one could run a consistent 15 minute interval service with only 2 minute turnround for over 18 hours a day.

Re late trains, I thought one of the reasons for curtailing late night trains on the branch was that there were too many drunks!

There has also been talk of a coach park and ride for Windsor off the relief road between  the Jubilee River and the spur from Eton/Slough. Served by a new station on the branch.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on April 09, 2015, 09:19:26 pm
I don't see how one could run a consistent 15 minute interval service with only 2 minute turnround for over 18 hours a day.

What is achieved on St Ives??

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Re late trains, I thought one of the reasons for curtailing late night trains on the branch was that there were too many drunks!

In looking at the Marlow, Henley, Windsor comparison after last night's posts, I note that all 3 branches have a single connection after 22:30 from Paddington.  It just happens that with their hourly cycle, the Marlow and Henley very last train is after the Windsor very last train.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on April 09, 2015, 09:20:18 pm
Re late trains, I thought one of the reasons for curtailing late night trains on the branch was that there were too many drunks!

The last SWT train from Riverside tonight is also about the same time - 2328 to Staines. Don't know if that's for the same reason though but a lot of inner suburban SWT routes start their last london bound journeys before midnight

Which means that when I visit Windsor with friends we all have to leave earlier than we want.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on April 09, 2015, 10:47:01 pm
The loop is being truncated into a siding, with access only at the Slough end.

Network Rail wanted rid of the loop completely as a cost saving measure. FGW lobbied for a headshunt/siding. Went to the Access Disputes Committee (http://www.accessdisputesrail.org/New%20ADC%20Web/Access%20Dispute%20Adjudications/ADA%20determinations.htm) for arbitration (ADA16 at that link) and FGW prevailed.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Louis94 on April 09, 2015, 11:17:20 pm
I don't see how one could run a consistent 15 minute interval service with only 2 minute turnround for over 18 hours a day.

What is achieved on St Ives??

St Ives achieves a minimum of 3 minute turnrounds, although they are not all 3 minutes - planning rules stimulate that you can't have more than three 3 minute turnrounds in a row (This applies also to Falmouth, Gunnislake, Looe, Henley, Severn Beach and Maesteg Branches in the Western Region area). This is why the calling pattern is what it is, you could have a half hourly service all calling at Lelant Saltings and Carbis Bay at 12 minutes (the booked time for it) each way if 3 minute turnrounds were allowed all day.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on April 10, 2015, 01:11:53 am
The Western Route Study simply states that only 3 tph is possible with the single line, and the cost increment of two trains and doubling (barely worth only doing it halfway) is not justifiable. It seems odd that the line speed can't be raised a bit, to get the transit time below 4.5 minutes. But it would be really frantic for the crew. Currently the peak service runs three 18-minute cycles (6+3+6+3) then has a slightly longer turnaround.

On capacity grounds, 3 tph x 4-car meets the 2043 predicted demand. The peak-hour figures are given for the branch - 515 in 2013, rising to 990 in 2043. The capacity, including standing, is 1152 with a 4-car EMU from 2019 (though in that Network Change dispute NR maintained that use of a 4-car train was only a theoretical possibility).

How does that compare with the station usage figure? That's 1878961 in 2013/4, which can be divided by 50 and by 12 to give a rough per weekday each-way figure of 3150. Now one of the dispute documents said the busiest single train carried 204 passengers (the 8:54 to Windsor, surprisingly). That suggests the peak use of the line is more bidirectional than you would have expected. So we can guesstimate rather wildly at a bit more than twice the one-hour peak of 515 towards Slough, and a bit less the other way, i.e. 2000 for commuters. Then there would be 1000 or so return trips in the whole of the off-peak. So that's just about plausible.

On journey time, the other criterion used, 40 minutes to PAD is the aim. Their definition of "generalised journey time" adds half (I think) the interval to the actual travel time. Initially it does look as if 3 tph does badly where there the London trains are every 15 minutes. However, if there are almost as many passengers the other way, that may not be quite how it works out.

Travel time to PAD now varies a lot - from 26 minutes to 54 minutes, but roughly once per hour there is a train that's makes no connection. If Crossrail is every 15 minutes, and takes 28 minutes to Paddington (vs 40 for some stoppers now) that will be a big improvement anyway. Of course if the semifasts are removed, the quickest journeys can't be done any more. Then there's going to be trains via Heathrow, which may be faster - or not.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on April 10, 2015, 08:50:40 am
Then of course there is the mythical Windsor Link which turns the branch into a dead end from Windsor at Slough!


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Electric train on April 10, 2015, 09:47:16 am
Then of course there is the mythical Windsor Link which turns the branch into a dead end from Windsor at Slough!

Bathurst !!


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on April 10, 2015, 09:55:23 am
Then of course there is the mythical Windsor Link which turns the branch into a dead end from Windsor at Slough!

While now it is dead at both ends, operationally.  And of course WRAtH makes that plan a dead end.

One thing that struck me about long-term plans for the branch line is that end-of-life planning for the Thames bridge may be important. If its historical status means it can't be replaced, and its strength gets too low to run trains over, that would have given a bit of weight in favour of a new line (not the line proposed). On the other hand, it would also favour closing the branch from Slough - if it happened 30 year ago that would have been the result. Assuming WRAtH is built, what do you do?

Well, another thought was that a shuttle of this length could easily be operated as one of those automatic people-mover things you find at airports. It might not be quicker end to end, but you could have loads of them with passing places to make up for it.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 10, 2015, 10:20:00 am
The loop is being truncated into a siding, with access only at the Slough end.

Network Rail wanted rid of the loop completely as a cost saving measure. FGW lobbied for a headshunt/siding. Went to the Access Disputes Committee (http://www.accessdisputesrail.org/New%20ADC%20Web/Access%20Dispute%20Adjudications/ADA%20determinations.htm) for arbitration (ADA16 at that link) and FGW prevailed.

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Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on April 10, 2015, 12:50:58 pm
WRAtH? Is that the Western link from LHR to the GWML

Re Thames bridge i presumme you mean the Brunel one but don't forget there's another on the the SW line and of a similar age.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on April 10, 2015, 06:25:56 pm
WRAtH? Is that the Western link from LHR to the GWML

Yes - I expected there to be a snappier name for it by now, but Network Rail have not shrunk it further than to western-heathrow-link (https://consultations.networkrail.co.uk/communications/western-heathrow-link) or similar.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on April 12, 2015, 07:58:27 am
Just for the record here are the before and intermediate signalling arrangements at Slough

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/slosig3.jpg)(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/slosig4.jpg)


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 12, 2015, 09:06:26 pm
I simply love that modern technical approach - a few bin liners and some duck tape.  ::) :o ;D


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on April 12, 2015, 09:45:50 pm
I think they are purpose designed signal masks (http://www.unipartdorman.co.uk/Product%20Bulletins/LED%20Signalling%20Handbook.pdf#page=11), much thicker than bin bag polythene.

Duck should have a capital D. Other brands of duct tape are available.  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 12, 2015, 11:07:13 pm
Yes, I know ... I was merely trying to be flippant.  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on April 12, 2015, 11:11:05 pm
I think they are purpose designed signal masks (http://www.unipartdorman.co.uk/Product%20Bulletins/LED%20Signalling%20Handbook.pdf#page=11), much thicker than bin bag polythene.

Duck should have a capital D. Other brands of duct tape are available.  :P ;) ;D

Gaffer tape starts with a G.  ;D


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on May 22, 2015, 06:04:03 pm
Just picked this up from FGW website:

"An update will follow within the next 1 hour.

    Cancellations to services between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central

Due to a train fault between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central the line is blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 22:45 22/05.
Customer Advice:
First Bus routes 77, 191, 701, 702: Slough (Bus Station) - Windsor are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.



An update will follow within the next 2 hours. Local First Bus routes 77, 191, 701, 702: Slough (Bus Station) - Windsor are accepting FGW tickets.

Last updated 18:01

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Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: autotank on March 14, 2016, 12:05:42 pm
I^m working later shifts for a few weeks at the moment which is allowing me to commute using the excellent value 7 day Thames Rover (^53.40 with a railcard!). As a result I went on a trip to Windsor just for fun today as I hadn^t traveled the branch for a few years. A few things struck me:

1)   The removal of the loop just outside Slough, which is understandable as it never got used. I was perplexed to see it replaced with a 4 car turnback siding though. I can^t see a use for this and with electrification coming there (hopefully) won^t be many 4 car trains running, so it will become even more useless. Am I missing something obvious?

2)   The 20 minute frequency doesn^t fit in very well with the main line services. Is there scope for line speed increases once the line is electrified and a 15 minute service? It would be tight, but this morning we comfortably did a round trip from Slough in 14 minutes with a 4 minute turnaround at Windsor. The approach and departure from Slough seems very slow, which I hoped might have been improved with the recent track works.

3)   The early shutdown of service compared to other Thames Valley branches. The last down service is at 2320 Monday ^ Friday. Is there any reason a couple of extra shuttles can^t be run? The last down Marlow branch service leaves at 2351 and Henley at 0003.

(I have made a couple of these points before but they are still relevant!)


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Adelante_CCT on March 14, 2016, 12:57:05 pm
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The early shutdown of service compared to other Thames Valley branches. The last down service is at 2320 Monday ^ Friday. Is there any reason a couple of extra shuttles can^t be run? The last down Marlow branch service leaves at 2351 and Henley at 0003.

Don't see why not, the ECS movement back to RDG doesn't leave until 35 minutes later, and another round trip connecting with 1D87 fast from Paddington and 2P95 stopper (both 23:41) could be useful for Windsor folk.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: rower40 on March 14, 2016, 09:51:20 pm

1)   The removal of the loop just outside Slough, which is understandable as it never got used. I was perplexed to see it replaced with a 4 car turnback siding though. I can^t see a use for this and with electrification coming there (hopefully) won^t be many 4 car trains running, so it will become even more useless. Am I missing something obvious?

If a set-swap is needed, and the branch unit has to come out of service, then the siding can be used to store the failed train, without blocking the Down Main.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 14, 2016, 10:05:51 pm
1)   The removal of the loop just outside Slough, which is understandable as it never got used. I was perplexed to see it replaced with a 4 car turnback siding though. I can^t see a use for this and with electrification coming there (hopefully) won^t be many 4 car trains running, so it will become even more useless. Am I missing something obvious?
If a set-swap is needed, and the branch unit has to come out of service, then the siding can be used to store the failed train, without blocking the Down Main.

Yes, I should imagine that's the plan.  Before the loop was turned into a siding it was used twice a day to get the unit on and off the branch - the track layout prevented a straight shunt out of the bay platform, behind a signal and back into the down main platform.  That can now happen (behind T3538), but should a unit be in trouble then that turnback siding would be a useful place to park it out of the way.  Bit puzzled about the 4-car comment and electrification though, as that is what would be provided on the Windsor branch surely?

I certainly agree with the comment about there being a demand for later trains from Slough to Windsor.  A 23:50ish departure on weekdays, certainly Friday's at least, would be very welcome.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Electric train on March 14, 2016, 10:23:56 pm
The electrification of the Thames Valley Branches is parked for the moment, a victim of over zealous Political Parties committing money that we (tax payers) don't have, an over eager NR to please the political masters say it can be don't ......... simples so 165's will be around for quite a while.

Oh and I believe there are a few technical issues around IEC 68150 protection and control system being installed as part of GWEP and teeing off branches ................ basically it was not considered in the outline design by the engineer because they were told by DfT the branches would not be electrified and then the political mind changes  ::)  I am sure there is a solution but its not simple or cheap


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 14, 2016, 10:25:31 pm
Yes, we're looking at latter CP6 I'd have thought - not too long in the grand scheme of things though!


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Surrey 455 on March 14, 2016, 10:25:56 pm
I'm sure I remember reading (probably on this forum) that the Windsor branch doesn't run any later due to rowdy behaviour.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 15, 2016, 08:43:40 am
I think that's the case with Wokingham, where the last train on Fri/Sat from Reading doesn't stop, but Windsor has a late train on Saturday (23:56) when it's likely to be at its roudiest, and the link doesn't really attract many groups of youngsters that are out of control.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on March 15, 2016, 09:00:22 am
I think that's the case with Wokingham, where the last train on Fri/Sat from Reading doesn't stop, but Windsor has a late train on Saturday (23:56) when it's likely to be at its roudiest, and the link doesn't really attract many groups of youngsters that are out of control.

And also Cosham (??) where late evening GWR trains don't call.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: autotank on March 15, 2016, 11:45:44 am
Thanks for the explanation of purpose of the siding - I somehow thought it might be used for turning back services to Slough on the main lines. It does seem like quite a lot of effort to go to for something that will get used so infrequently - electric trains are even more reliable than diesel and they don't break down that often! Will the Henley and Marlow branches be getting these cripple sidings, or is it because the Windsor branch is on the down side of the main line and hence trickier to gain access to during the day because of all the IEP's that will be wizzing by.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: rower40 on March 18, 2016, 08:01:37 pm

1)   The removal of the loop just outside Slough, which is understandable as it never got used. I was perplexed to see it replaced with a 4 car turnback siding though. I can^t see a use for this and with electrification coming there (hopefully) won^t be many 4 car trains running, so it will become even more useless. Am I missing something obvious?

If a set-swap is needed, and the branch unit has to come out of service, then the siding can be used to store the failed train, without blocking the Down Main.
Alternatively - that siding might just be a convenient place to hide a tamper or other yellow plant before or after use.  On the Down (south) side of the Great Western, that's the only siding between Southall and Swindon, except for the old DMU depot in the triangle at Reading.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: martyjon on January 25, 2018, 09:19:56 am
When was the Windsor Branch electrified and I don't mean the Staines to Windsor Riverside either in case someone 'smart alec' posts the date that branch was.


From Journeycheck

09:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 09:56

09:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 09:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


Really !!!! AND the 09:59 return service for same reason.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 25, 2018, 10:02:29 am
When was the Windsor Branch electrified and I don't mean the Staines to Windsor Riverside either in case someone 'smart alec' posts the date that branch was.


From Journeycheck

09:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 09:56

09:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 09:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


Really !!!! AND the 09:59 return service for same reason.

Could be using the Windsor train for the Hayes-Paddington service?


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 26, 2018, 04:47:02 pm


Due to urgent repairs to the track between Slough and Windsor & Eton Central all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until 17:40 26/01.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on January 26, 2018, 09:36:42 pm
Safety first - fears the track had spread just outside Windsor & Eton Central station. 

Technicians then stuck in (road) traffic trying to get to the scene.

When they arrived track found to be slightly out but within safe limits and line re-opened.

As the fire service would say "false alarm with good intent".



Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on February 05, 2018, 10:17:16 pm
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22:10 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:19 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:30 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:36 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:39 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:45 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:59 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 23:05 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

Has the taxi been invented?


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 05, 2018, 10:22:12 pm
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22:10 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:19 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:30 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:36 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:39 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 22:45 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:50 Slough to Windsor & Eton Central due 22:56 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

22:59 Windsor & Eton Central to Slough due 23:05 will be cancelled.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 21:51

Has the taxi been invented?

That would require the use of initiative.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on February 05, 2018, 10:28:01 pm
A taxi is no use if your driver and/or guard are stuck on a train.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on February 06, 2018, 10:20:37 am
A taxi is no use if your driver and/or guard are stuck on a train.
OK - take your point. But switching it off for an hour still feels a bit excessive.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2018, 11:00:59 am
A taxi is no use if your driver and/or guard are stuck on a train.
OK - take your point. But switching it off for an hour still feels a bit excessive.

Agreed......and I've seen examples before where train staff have relied on trains to get to their location even in times of disruption, with the inevitable consequences.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: CyclingSid on May 13, 2018, 08:25:52 am
In Windsor yesterday, good place for the scaffolding and boarding business.

GWR was running a three car set. Apparently for next Saturday they are going to move the Stop board back at Slough to build a bridge from the taxi rank across the track to the Windsor platform through the gate that is already in the fence. Temporary building already already in position on station forecourt. They are apparently going to be running four car trains next Saturday, which means they will have to remove the barrier across the Slough end of the Windsor platform and presumably need extra staff for train dispatch, as the driver will be beyond the CCTV. Be interesting to see if the manage to maintain the timetable with the numbers involved.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: stuving on May 13, 2018, 09:32:57 am
In Windsor yesterday, good place for the scaffolding and boarding business.
... Be interesting to see if the manage to maintain the timetable with the numbers involved.

Why would they even try to keep to a timetable? It's going to be shuttle dashing back and forth as fast as its little wheels (and the passengers legs) can carry them, whatever they set out to do.

The official usable platform lengths are 122 and 117 m. With enough help and supervision (which presumably there will be) wouldn't 5x23 trains just fit? OK, it is very tight, so even if it's possible it might not be quicker.

And how many of those organising this are bickering over "whose idea was it to scrap the loop anyway?"?.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 17, 2018, 11:31:07 am
4-car for Saturday and Sunday (with two drivers at either ends), and a 3-car on Friday and Monday.

Timetable will be kept to but there will be scope to depart early if deemed necessary.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 17, 2018, 02:54:21 pm
Amazing what can be done when a posh bloke is getting married. Extra services, trains, and staff. And on a weekend too. How is it GWR can manage this but not cater for everyone else wishing to use their trains on weekends?

I guess Hopwood and Co are not required to doff their caps to, tug their forlocks at, or lick the boots of the hoi polloi.  ::)



Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 17, 2018, 05:15:02 pm
Amazing what can be done when a posh bloke is getting married. Extra services, trains, and staff. And on a weekend too. How is it GWR can manage this but not cater for everyone else wishing to use their trains on weekends?

I guess Hopwood and Co are not required to doff their caps to, tug their forlocks at, or lick the boots of the hoi polloi.  ::)



To be fair they'd look pretty daft (dafter?) if they didn't lay it on, and it is only one extra carriage.

Having said that, in usual GWR style they've managed to upset a lot of other people as the Marlow branch desperately needs strengthening this weekend with "Rock the Moor" at Cookham, but as BNM has alluded to, the attendees at this are only humble peasants.

Notwithstanding Hopwood's lack of forelock, I wonder if he has aspirations to be "Sir Mark" should all go well on Saturday................perhaps a rare appearance may be made?  :D


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: ellendune on May 17, 2018, 05:36:42 pm
Having said that, in usual GWR style they've managed to upset a lot of other people as the Marlow branch desperately needs strengthening this weekend with "Rock the Moor" at Cookham, but as BNM has alluded to, the attendees at this are only humble peasants.

I didn't think you could add extra carriages on the Marlow Branch because of the limitations at Bourne End.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Electric train on May 17, 2018, 06:04:01 pm
Having said that, in usual GWR style they've managed to upset a lot of other people as the Marlow branch desperately needs strengthening this weekend with "Rock the Moor" at Cookham, but as BNM has alluded to, the attendees at this are only humble peasants.

I didn't think you could add extra carriages on the Marlow Branch because of the limitations at Bourne End.

Maidenhead - Bourne End 5 cars can be run, its only the Bourne End - Marlow Donkey that is limited to 2 car.

So for Rock the Moor a Maidenhead - Bourne End 5 car half hourly shuttle would achievable with a 2 car for the Donkey


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 17, 2018, 07:32:30 pm
Having said that, in usual GWR style they've managed to upset a lot of other people as the Marlow branch desperately needs strengthening this weekend with "Rock the Moor" at Cookham, but as BNM has alluded to, the attendees at this are only humble peasants.

I didn't think you could add extra carriages on the Marlow Branch because of the limitations at Bourne End.

Maidenhead - Bourne End 5 cars can be run, its only the Bourne End - Marlow Donkey that is limited to 2 car.

So for Rock the Moor a Maidenhead - Bourne End 5 car half hourly shuttle would achievable with a 2 car for the Donkey

My understanding from someone who is attending and has enquired with GWR is that the stock necessary to run a 5 car service for RTM is not available......Happy to be advised otherwise! 🙂


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: martyjon on May 17, 2018, 07:36:29 pm
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perhaps a rare appearance may be made?

Like walking 'er down t'aisle  ;)


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Electric train on May 17, 2018, 08:35:34 pm
Having said that, in usual GWR style they've managed to upset a lot of other people as the Marlow branch desperately needs strengthening this weekend with "Rock the Moor" at Cookham, but as BNM has alluded to, the attendees at this are only humble peasants.

I didn't think you could add extra carriages on the Marlow Branch because of the limitations at Bourne End.

Maidenhead - Bourne End 5 cars can be run, its only the Bourne End - Marlow Donkey that is limited to 2 car.

So for Rock the Moor a Maidenhead - Bourne End 5 car half hourly shuttle would achievable with a 2 car for the Donkey

My understanding from someone who is attending and has enquired with GWR is that the stock necessary to run a 5 car service for RTM is not available......Happy to be advised otherwise! 🙂

They have never laid on anything special for the event, I cannot see them ever doing so


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 18, 2018, 11:13:21 am
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: eightf48544 on May 18, 2018, 02:09:04 pm
I don't believe it!


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 18, 2018, 04:09:34 pm
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

Nauseating. 🤢


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 18, 2018, 04:45:39 pm
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

Nauseating. 🤢

For I moment there was shocked at the thought of Graham doing some late night vandalism............I thought it said Harry & Melksham!  :)


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Electric train on May 18, 2018, 05:08:31 pm
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

Nauseating. 🤢

May be, however you have to admire the GWR team getting into the spirit of the event; they will be working hard Saturday ensuring the people who want to attend the day in Windsor have a good rail travel experience, for some passengers it might be the first time the have travelled on a train in years so lets hope they enjoy the journey and want to use the train again


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 18, 2018, 08:46:17 pm
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My understanding from someone who is attending and has enquired with GWR is that the stock necessary to run a 5 car service for RTM is not available.....

I don't know what passenger numbers are like on RTM days but could they not run the two car half-hourly to Bourne End with a bus to Marlow, not ideal but it would double the number of pax able to access Cookham without any need for additional stock.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: onthecushions on May 18, 2018, 10:01:55 pm
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

Will tickets (and validities) to WNC be valid?

HMC is Hampton Court.

OTC



Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 19, 2018, 08:52:35 am
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

Nauseating. 🤢

Especially for BNM, who I am sure by now is sitting in a bunting bedecked living room in his Union Jack suit counting the hours until the happy couple appear! Photo taken by a pal in Windsor yesterday .



Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 19, 2018, 12:32:45 pm
I'm actually sat in a pub near Lacock, Wilts, enjoying a cool lager with bobm.

Thankfully no TV, bunting etc here.  :P


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bobm on May 19, 2018, 12:35:05 pm
The research that went into finding a wedding free pub...


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 19, 2018, 01:00:59 pm
NOT toasting any posh folks.

(https://preview.ibb.co/dvL2o8/rps20180519_125757.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jUr8T8)


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 19, 2018, 01:14:40 pm
Call it karma.

A 20 strong hen party have just walked into the pub.  ::)



Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: grahame on May 19, 2018, 01:26:29 pm
Call it karma.

A 20 strong hen party have just walked into the pub.  ::)


Always liked a strong hen  ;D


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 19, 2018, 02:55:23 pm
The o arr bird is so called because it lays square eggs.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: BBM on May 19, 2018, 03:18:40 pm
Although this conversation is utterly fascinating and riveting ;D just to bring the thread back on topic, SAM FM Thames Valley have just tweeted the following:

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TRAVEL: Queue times at Windsor & Eton Central are now at two hours. @GWRHelp say they have got plenty of trains to get people home and are asking people to relax and wait until things quieten down. #RoyalWeddding


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 19, 2018, 08:23:21 pm
Congratulations to the happy couple. I'm a republican but I'm not that much of a curmudgeon to pour scorn on love and marriage.

That said, the BBC have gone too far this time. My Saturday nights are enlivened by re-runs of Dad's Army. But this week Walmington-on-Sea's finest have been shelved in favour of wedding highlights.

I'm apoplectic. I've a good mind to write to Barry Took, complaining at BBC2's scheduling. They won't like it up 'em.  :P :P :P


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: 1st fan on May 19, 2018, 11:03:45 pm
Congratulations to the happy couple. I'm a republican but I'm not that much of a curmudgeon to pour scorn on love and marriage.

That said, the BBC have gone too far this time. My Saturday nights are enlivened by re-runs of Dad's Army. But this week Walmington-on-Sea's finest have been shelved in favour of wedding highlights.

I'm apoplectic. I've a good mind to write to Barry Took, complaining at BBC2's scheduling. They won't like it up 'em.  :P :P :P

Nope Captain Mainwaring was there this evening keeping us safe from the Hun. It was on at 18:30 tonight and can be watched https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00789c4/dads-army-series-7-4-the-godiva-affair here.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: bignosemac on May 19, 2018, 11:12:54 pm
Ahh. DON'T PANIC! DON'T PANIC!

Still writing to Anne Robinson though. Fancy the BBC scheduling the only two programmes I actually wanted to watch this evening, FA Cup and Dad's Army, at the same time. Dad's Army should be on around 8pm. :P

Oh and my EPG was wrong.



Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 19, 2018, 11:17:56 pm
Ahh. DON'T PANIC! DON'T PANIC!

Still writing to Anne Robinson though. Fancy the BBC scheduling the only two programmes I actually wanted to watch this evening, FA Cup and Dad's Army, at the same time. Dad's Army should be on around 8pm. :P

Oh and my EPG was wrong.



......I suspect you were distracted by the hen party! 😉


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: chuffed on May 20, 2018, 12:08:26 am
  Or Mrs Fox! ;D ;D ;D  Oh Come on ....Think about it ...surely I don't have to explain this one !


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 20, 2018, 10:54:07 am
Ahh. DON'T PANIC! DON'T PANIC!

Still writing to Anne Robinson though. Fancy the BBC scheduling the only two programmes I actually wanted to watch this evening, FA Cup and Dad's Army, at the same time. Dad's Army should be on around 8pm. :P

Oh and my EPG was wrong.


Stupid Boy.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: broadgage on June 25, 2018, 06:06:26 pm
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

With the benefit of hindsight, this light-hearted renaming on the platform was NOT smart idea. Significant numbers of people wanted to be photographed with the temporary station names.
This added to congestion on the platform, which was already a problem.

In retrospect it would have been better to only modify signs away from the platform, in which places a bit of extra congestion would not have mattered.


Title: Re: Windsor Branch line - services, rolling stock and signalling - ongoing discussion
Post by: TaplowGreen on June 25, 2018, 06:30:38 pm
This from Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/richardsalkeld/status/997418525223514114/photo/2

With the benefit of hindsight, this light-hearted renaming on the platform was NOT smart idea. Significant numbers of people wanted to be photographed with the temporary station names.
This added to congestion on the platform, which was already a problem.

In retrospect it would have been better to only modify signs away from the platform, in which places a bit of extra congestion would not have mattered.

I'm sure they'll bear that in mind next time! 😂



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