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Glasgow Trains have announced that they will be able to find paths on the WCML now services are being retimed for 100 mph working.

http://www.renaissancetrains.com/glasgow-trains.html

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Note: Glasgow trains is an OA operator hoping to run from Liverpool and (later) Nottingham to Glasgow.

sorry, as most of you guys know... im not very smart so can you help me with this

spend millions on the westcoast main line upgrades, just to downgrade part of it

or is this another its all about london issue?

125mph Voyagers replaced by 100mph 185s. It happened quite a whole ago...  ::)

Phew! :-[ I thought it looked strange. :D

But I was hoping FTPE would be upgrading the Manchester to Scotland back to 125 mph with new stock (180s).

As long as they don't touch Virgin services.....

Surely most of the 125mph stretches of line are only passed for EPS (Enhanced Permissable Speed) working? In other words tilting stock. In other words a 180 would be able to go no faster than a 185.

Yet another illustration that Daft or the Ministry of Roads has absolutely no idea how to run a railway.

It doesn't matter what speed they go running diesels under wires for the builk of their journey it's just plain stupid, hopefully the replacement of the flying arches at Chorley is a prelude to Manchaester Preston Blackpool electrification. Which will at least mean Manchester Airport to Glasgow can be electric trains throughout.

180s for TPEx now?

As well as Northern, HT, GC, GN, NXEC, who are already claiming about 18 between them.  :o

Paul

I think FTPE should get some.

So Windermere - Manchester trains can be re-started, and the overcrowding can be eased.

I would imagine a lot of the stretches would still be 110 mph, and a 180 has more capacity than a 185.

If only rolling stock allocation was so simple. 

Grand Northern, a sister company of Grand Central, set up to run Bradford-Halifax-Wakefield-London has got the nod from the ORR and plans to use 180s, two or three sets, and GC is on record as saying it has an agreement in place to use two, running as a 10-car rake, for its extra train pair (also approved by ORR).

The final 180 shake-out is still up in the air, as the ORR has yet to make decisions on NXEC extra services to Lincolnshire and Harrogate. But it has rejected Hull Trains' application to run to Harrogate.
HT has got firm agreements in place for four 180s now to replace the 222s.

I believe the three being used by Northern are sub-contracted from NXEC and only until December next year, when some LM 150s should be heading north. NXEC has said it wants six if it is to run to Lincoln and Harrogate.

So if GC/GN has four or five and HT four, that would give NXEC five or six (subject to ORR approval for the routes), which would seem to be the most sensible use of their capabilities, rather than pottering up and down on Manchester commuter turns - with those lengthy stops while coaches A and E empty through a single door.

And even if the suspension is now less 'lively' than in their early days, I'm not sure I would fancy sitting in a 180 whipping through all the tight curves north of Lancaster at 100mph, never mind 110.