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Title: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 04, 2009, 00:05:48
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/8338410.stm):

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The process of appointing a contractor to build the ^295m rail link between Edinburgh and the Borders will get under way by the end of the year.

Finance Secretary John Swinney confirmed the move during a visit to the South of Scotland Forum. He said the rail link could be a "significant catalyst" for economic growth in the region.

Construction work is set to start on the line from Edinburgh to Tweedbank in 2011 with completion due in 2013.

Mr Swinney said the procurement process for the route would get under way before Christmas. He said: "This Scottish government has always made its commitment to this vital public transport link clear. Providing a fast, efficient link connecting communities in the Scottish Borders and Midlothian to Edinburgh will be a significant catalyst for economic growth in the region."

He said "unprecedented changes" to the economic climate had meant it had not been prudent to launch the procurement process sooner. However, he said that market testing had now provided the "necessary assurance" that conditions were favourable enough to proceed.

Lib Dem politicians in the Borders have described the move as "late but very welcome".

MP Michael Moore said: "The case for the railway is stronger than ever in the current climate and we have waited too long for this decision. Last week we challenged the cabinet secretary to take this opportunity to make the announcement and we now welcome it. It may be overdue, but this is positive and should mean the focus is now on building the line so that we can gain the economic benefits the region deserves."

Once completed, the line will run from Edinburgh's Waverley station, through Midlothian, to Tweedbank in the Borders.

Mr Swinney said that "significant progress" on the project had already been achieved. He said: "Further market testing has been under way and delivery of the project has continued to make excellent progress."

He said all the land required to allow construction had been acquired and more preparatory works were due to get under way shortly.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 14, 2009, 22:55:48
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_of_scotland/8412593.stm):

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Borders rail route 'could go to Carlisle'

A reopened rail line between Edinburgh and the Borders could be extended to Carlisle, according to the Scottish transport minister. Stewart Stevenson said it was a "perfectly reasonable ambition" that the route might stretch into England.

The process to find a contractor to build the line to Tweedbank in the Borders started last week. It is hoped a deal for the ^295m project can be awarded in 2011 with completion of the route due in 2014.

Mr Stevenson said the railway could be an economic boost for the south of Scotland. He added that it could ultimately be extended to reach the north of England. "That's a perfectly reasonable ambition, Carlisle used to be a very important staging point for the railway," he said. "The economics of what we are doing initially are very strong. As traffic builds up on this new railway line, I think we will see a case that is much stronger than it currently is for looking at further expansion."


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: caliwag on December 15, 2009, 10:03:58
and from the Scotsman newspaper...

http://news.scotsman.com/therailways/Contest-starts-to-build-.5903552.jp

You can see from the "comments" (some bizarrely in a regional accent) that not everyone is convinced. ???

In Scotland East/West politics comes into play very swiftly, to say nothing of the class divide...(it was amazing how big a campaign from certain Borders people was launched against the project). The cancellation of the Glasgow airport rail link has done little to aid the SNP cause.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: caliwag on June 22, 2010, 08:53:02
Unbelievable this is still on the books (the Crossrail of the North!), but even more unbelievable that BAM (they of Cambridge busway) are in contention :o

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/the-construction-index-news/Three-shortlisted-for-300m-Scottish-Borders-Railway


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: paul7575 on June 22, 2010, 09:24:59
...but even more unbelievable that BAM (they of Cambridge busway) are in contention :o

BAM Nuttall work regularly all over the railway, they are currently doing Chiltern's Evergreen 3 for instance. How can you be sure that the busway isn't the fault of someone else, such as the designers?

Paul


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: caliwag on June 22, 2010, 09:47:42
Well it seems to me that you only need to follow the saga on various websites, news and official reports to form a view that BAM have not performed well and seem to be unprepared to resolve doubts about concrete expansion, leakages and other shortcomings. Plainly if it was "other designer" faults, all the reports would have named them.
Cambridge CC have are formally penalising BAM for late delivery...everyone, no doubt from a potential travelling public to expert engineers and councillors appear to be frustrated to the point of rage that BAM are offering no comfort notes offering assurances and resolutions. It would seem to me, purely as an impartial observer and gleaner of reports, that BAM are plainly not up to it and therefore why would they still be in contention of associated engineering contracts. ::)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on November 06, 2012, 23:45:56
Great news today, confirmation that the Borders Railway (aka known as the Waverley Route, closed since 1969) is to be rebuilt as far as Tweedbank. No less than 30 miles of new rural railway, which will enjoy a half hourly service once built. Lots of double track, and the terminus at Tweedbank is to be built to allow for 12 coach excursion trains (with presumably a run round loop).

Given the apparent antipathy of the current Scottish Government to new rail build (GARL axed, EARL axed, EGIP watered down), and the scale of the project, it's a very significant day for Scottish Railways.

Meanwhile, back here in the west, we're still waiting for the three mile spur to Portishead to be reopened. Hey, ho!

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/News-Releases/7156/BORDERS-RAILWAY-DELIVERY-PLAN-FINALISED


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 07, 2012, 14:34:25
There's also a new very slick website for the project, with much more information including station designs available at:  http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/ (http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: 81F on November 07, 2012, 20:36:47
In 2000 this was estimated to cost ^100 million.
By 2003 it was between 125 and 130 million pounds.
In 2006 cost had risen to ^155 million and opening was to be in 2011.
In March 2008 cost had increased to "between ^235 million and ^295 million"  and opening slipped to 2013.
Now the opening date is December 2014, and it's costing nearly ^10 million a mile.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-20061193

Just how well does this stack up against other current projects, like the Edinburgh tramway or the St Ives-Cambridge guided busway?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 07, 2012, 22:50:27
From the Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/transport/borders-railway-completion-date-put-back-as-cost-of-project-soars-1-2616155):

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Borders railway completion date put back as cost of project soars

The cost of the ill-fated Borders Railway has soared again by ^50 million to ^350m ^ but the figure was omitted from an official statement yesterday announcing a landmark deal with Network Rail to build the line.

Ministers were yesterday accused of covering up the real cost of the project as a deal was announced for Network Rail to build the 30-mile route between Edinburgh and Tweedbank, south of Galashiels, for ^294m.

The figure does not include ^54m already spent on other parts of the project, such as land purchase and preliminary work.

The increased cost confirms an exclusive story last month by The Scotsman^s sister paper Scotland on Sunday.

Transport minister Keith Brown has insisted he wants costs to remain within the previous budget of ^235m-^295m.

John Lamont, Conservative MSP for Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire, said: ^There has been a huge increase in the cost of the project over the years and it now looks like the government is trying to cover up a further increase in the cost.^ Network Rail said the railway will also not be finished until the end of June 2015, rather than the end of 2014. However, passengers will not be able to use it until autumn 2015, because up to three months will be needed for driver training.

The latest cost increases and delay follows ministers scrapping their planned novel private-sector method of building and maintaining the line a year ago, after two of the three short-listed bidders pulled out.

Network Rail Scotland route managing director David Simpson said the ^294m construction cost ^ up from the previously expected ^230m ^ also included more spending on stabilising old mines at the northern end of the line, which had not all been previously spotted.

Mr Simpson said construction would allow for potential future electrification and more sections of double track, to enable more frequent and faster trains to run.

The initial service will be half-hourly. The journey will be 55 minutes, which Network Rail said was 25 minutes faster than by bus.

Seven new stations will be built, at Shawfair, Eskbank, Newtongrange, Gorebridge, Stow, Galashiels and Tweedbank.

Tourist trains, such as the luxury Royal Scotsman, will now also be able to use the line with the planned lengthening of Tweedbank station to accommodate 12-coach services.

Mr Simpson told The Scotsman that despite detailed checks of the line, including tunnels and viaducts, completion by June 2015 remained a ^challenging date^. He added that finishing the line by the end of 2014 ^ still Mr Brown^s target ^ would be ^very difficult indeed^. This was because there remained ^a lot of unknowns^, such as the extent of the mineworkings, and restrictions on working near rivers close to the salmon spawning season.

However, Mr Brown said that nine months after contractors move on to the site, a ^robust^ review would be held to see if completion could be brought forward to late 2014. He said: ^The additional time is needed to remove underground mine working. That way we will have a more realistic timetable.^

Construction will start next year, with BAM Nuttall ^ the last remaining bidder under the previous plans ^due to be appointed shortly as contractor, after helping Network Rail with preliminary work.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 20, 2012, 21:46:55
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-20366692):

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Borders to Edinburgh rail route discussions under way

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Communities along the route are being invited to hear more about the railway plans

Communities along the length of the proposed rail line from the Borders to Edinburgh are being offered information about the scheme.

A string of drop-in sessions in Midlothian and the Scottish Borders gets under way in Stow. It will be followed by nine further events staged by Network Rail to answer residents' questions about the project.

Construction work should get under way early next year with a target completion date in summer 2015.

Responsibility for delivering a rail route from the Borders to Edinburgh officially passed to Network Rail earlier this month.

Advanced works are already under way on the line between the capital and Tweedbank.

Network Rail said residents would begin to see equipment along the route and increased traffic early in the new year.

It is holding the drop-in sessions to allow residents to view its plans and speak to members of the project team.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 11, 2013, 23:37:28
From the Berwickshire News (http://www.berwickshirenews.co.uk/news/local-headlines/over-2-200-apply-for-train-driver-positions-in-borders-1-2779432):

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Over 2,200 apply for train driver positions in Borders

More than 2,200 people want to drive trains on the new Borders Railway. ScotRail revealed the staggering number who vied for the 18 trainee posts ^ meaning applicants had a one in 123 chance of landing a job.

Around 1,500 people put their names forward for the traine driver positions before Christmas, with 2,229 applications being submitted by the deadline of mid-January.

Christine Grahame, MSP for Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale, and a long-term supporter of the ^300million Borders railway scheme which is set to open in 2015, said the high interest in the Tweedbank-based jobs was a good sign. She said: ^They are very attractive jobs ^ people are wanting to be involved in a new project with a national profile such as this. The positions carry a bit of kudos ^ it will be great to say you drive a train for a living. I also think it is good for the area, as successful applicants will probably be from around the country and therefore will come to the Borders to live. It is another example that the railway really is coming to the Borders. I have seen the work going on in Gorebridge and Galashiels and there is real progress.^

The posts have a starting salary of ^22,281, rising to ^39,204 after training and probationary period is completed. The job advert explained that successful candidates will have to be wary of various elements when driving, including foliage.

A ScotRail spokeswoman said: ^The selection process has now begun and the first recruits will begin their training in late spring.^

Network Rail also announced last week that it has employed 15 local people to work on the line, with three junior posts being created with contractors BAM Nuttall. And planning applications for two new bridges at Glenfield Road and Wheatlands Road in Galashiels have also been submitted.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: caliwag on February 12, 2013, 12:40:44
Positive Editorial from The Edinburgh Evening News

http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/opinion/leaders-borders-railway-results-will-bring-real-boon-to-area-1-2786643?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: phile on February 12, 2013, 16:55:48
The new drivers would not work exclusively on the Borders route.   They would  be in normal links at Edinburgh but to cover the extra commitments the route will bring there is the need to recruit new drivers.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on February 12, 2013, 22:47:46
Just how well does this stack up against other current projects, like the Edinburgh tramway or the St Ives-Cambridge guided busway?

Next to ^200 million for a ponced-up bus service from Cribbs Causeway to Hengrove that isn't even ponced up any more, it looks an absolute bargain!

It is difficult to compare anything to Edinburgh Tramlink. It has suffered, more than any project that I can think of, from politics. At the time the Scottish Parliament was trying to build it, the opposition SNP were against it, and their 2007 manifesto proposed cancelling the contract. This was at the same time as the Parliament gave final approval to Edinburgh City Council's business case, and allowed contracts to be started on. Much time and money was lost because of uncertainty. Then, the SNP won the 2011 election, and realised the cost of scrapping it could be as high as building it. Having a formerly opposed body reluctantly taking the project forward, with Edinburgh CC almost a bystander at times, is never likely to give a smooth ride to an infrastructure project. The impetus must now be firmly on getting trams running asap on what is left of the design, and building confidence so that the other routes can be built later.

Cambridge BRT was a shambles that should have meant the end of BRT in a developed country, which probably explains why the West of England Partnership wants to build one. BAM were unfamiliar with the "technology", as was everyone - this hadn't been done in UK before on this sort of scale. There were problems with weather, flooding, and lots of other things. Hindsight suggests it would have cheaper to reinstate the railway from St Ives to Cambridge , with free transfers by limousine to Cambridge centre. As it was, costs overran by around ^70 million, much of the ^12 million contributions expected to come from business failed to materialise, and Atkins' charges for project management rose threefold to over ^9 million. Cambridgeshire CC has put aside ^6.5 million for legal costs to sue BAM for ^60 million. BAM have lodged a counter-claim for ^43 million. The case is likely to be complex, and should start in January 2014.

The busway opened, nearly three years late, and has proved to be a slightly faster service than the previous "conventional" bus services that used to ply the route. Barring a few accidents, it has been reasonably successful. The real winners, however, will be the consultants and lawyers, all of whom will be looking forward to a busy and lucrative season. If Cambridgeshire CC lose their case, that will see another ^50 miliion at least down the Swanee. If they win, BAM Nuttall will need to find at least ^60 million, and will probably recover it from future civil projects. The cheapest option isn't usually the one that costs the least in the long run.

The Borders rail line is technology that National Rail are well used to. Nobody ever knows what a project costs until it has finished, but little has been built on the trackbed other than paths, and SFAIK, the bridges etc are in reasonable fettle. That suggests reasonably foreseeable timings and costings, with a high quality fairly fast transport link at the end of the build. Cambridgeshire may well build build a railway on the BRT route at some time in the future. It is unlikely that anyone will ever again suggest ripping up a railway for a BRT.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: ellendune on February 12, 2013, 23:05:47
It is unlikely that anyone will ever again suggest ripping up a railway for a BRT.

You would think not, but some people have very short memories. 


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on February 12, 2013, 23:08:03
but little has been built on the trackbed other than paths,

The dual carriageway Edinburgh Southern Bypass has been built over the route, resulting in a diversion to the bypass whilst they build a tunnel under it, and some flats have been demolished in Galashields, so not all plain sailing.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on February 12, 2013, 23:22:49
You would think not, but some people have very short memories. 

Not in this coffee shop!

The dual carriageway Edinburgh Southern Bypass has been built over the route, resulting in a diversion to the bypass whilst they build a tunnel under it, and some flats have been demolished in Galashields, so not all plain sailing.

I forgot about that.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 07, 2013, 02:02:06
From the Scottish Herald (http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/campaigners-insist-waverley-line-is-viable.20407545?):

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Campaigners insist Waverley Line is viable

The Campaign for Borders Rail has insisted that a re-opened Waverley Line is viable.

Simon Walton, who chairs the campaign, denied the controversial ^350 million project was ever predicated on new housing along the route but was about righting the long-standing social injustice that the people of Midlothian and the Borders were deprived of access to the rail network. He said: "Every single study, prior to the opening of a railway project this century has grossly underestimated the patronage, and has failed to take into account the wider social and economic benefits accrued."

The Herald reported on Saturday that consultants believed the numbers who would make return journeys between Edinburgh and Tweeddale would fall from 976,000 to 647,000 if new housing was not built along the route.

Mr Walton said: "If the snapshot report by Ernst & Young for Transport Scotland had been compiled at a peak rather than a trough in the economic cycle, the findings would be different, and much more positive. Furthermore, it should be noted significant work has already started, and that contracts have been signed by the Transport Minister Keith Brown for the construction of the line."

He said comparisons with the Edinburgh tram project are unjust. "While funding of the Borders Railway was subject to some experimental schemes, it is in the hands of Network Rail and its contractors, who have considerable experience in the field, and are demonstrating such up and down the route already."

Mr Walton hit out at former councillor Nicholas Watson, a critic of the line, claiming it was such opposition which had led to cost increases and led to him being rejected at the ballot box. He added: "Business bodies such as the Federation of Small Businesses and the Borders Chamber of Commerce have pledged their support."


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 09, 2013, 22:23:23
From The Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/borders-railway-will-be-ready-by-september-2015-1-2824805):

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Borders Railway ^will be ready by September 2015^

Passengers will be able to travel on the Borders Railway again in September 2015 after a gap of 46 years, Network Rail has confirmed.

The builders of the 30-mile Edinburgh to Tweedbank line, south of Galashiels, said the opening date would enable training for ScotRail train drivers after construction is completed in June 2015.

However, David Simpson, the firm^s Scotland route managing director, told The Scotsman last November that even finishing the work by June was ^challenging^.

Major work is due to start next month on the scheme, which has suffered a series of delays, while the cost has soared to ^350 million. It comprises one third of the former 98-mile Waverley route between Edinburgh-Carlisle, which closed in 1969.

The Scottish Government^s Transport Scotland agency, which is in charge of the project, still hopes ^to have the railway in place^ by the end of 2014.

Campaign for Borders Rail chairman Simon Walton said: ^The scope of the project is huge, not made any easier by decisions made many decades ago to dismantle the infrastructure and not fully protect the right of way. The Borders Railway is a vastly better engineered project than the old ^Waverley Route^. This is not simply a case of relaying railway lines. It is inevitable that unforeseen challenges will arise, and I don^t doubt that the construction partners will have many issues to concern them before hand over.

^However, with the 50th anniversary of the infamous Beeching report later this month [which closed the line], I^d rather concentrate on the progress that^s being made already and the certainty that Midlothian and the Borders are on the brink of a great new social and economic opportunity.^

David Spaven, author of Waverley Route: The Life, Death and Rebirth of the Borders Railway, said: ^Network Rail has been put under undue pressure by Transport Scotland to deliver the project in super-fast time, for political reasons. But transforming 30^ miles of abandoned line of route, 121 bridges and two tunnels into a fast, safe and sustainable transport link is a very substantial engineering task - in fact the longest rail re-opening project in modern British history. The key point is that the Borders Railway is coming, and late summer 2015 looks like a reasonable and robust target for the start of train services.^

A Transport Scotland spokeswoman said: ^There is no change to the timetable for delivery of the new Borders Railway. Transport Scotland and Network Rail expect to see the line completed in summer 2015 and services operating soon after. The line will be complete in June of that year with services beginning three months later to allow for driver training on the route.^


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: swrural on March 10, 2013, 11:48:12
These articles keep popping up.  I normally have great respect for Scots political discussion, as being educated, but in this case, I cannot understand why some MSPs are still writing in and moaning that it should not happen, when the job is actually underway?

It's like here in the SW saying IEP should not go ahead.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 24, 2014, 17:35:16
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Salmond hints at Carlisle extension to Borders rail

THE prospect of re-opening the entire Waverley rail line between Edinburgh and Carlisle has been raised by Alex Salmond.

The First Minister said he expected the return of trains to the Edinburgh-Tweedbank section next year would be ^profoundly successful^ and act as a catalyst for restoring the rest of the historic route.

He said the success of the 30-mile stretch to just south of Galashiels would ^calibrate^ any future feasibility study into re-building the remaining 70 miles.

See full article in The Scotsman: http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/salmond-hints-at-carlisle-extension-to-borders-rail-1-3387725



Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: eightf48544 on April 25, 2014, 09:18:59
There is an article in May's Modern Railway about the Borders iine with some interesting photos.

I thought it was a fairly straight forward re-instement but teh pictures show it to be far from teh case with some large structures having to be built and roads diverted.

How would Bere Alson Okehampton compare?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on April 26, 2014, 15:56:19

How would Bere Alson Okehampton compare?

Favourably. There are some council offices in the way, butt not a lot else.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 26, 2014, 18:00:57
And actually I understand that they would be favourably disposed to shift said butts.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on April 26, 2014, 23:46:57
And actually I understand that they would be favourably disposed to shift said butts.

Indeed so - they have made it clear there is no emotional attachment to the buildings, and they would be happy to see them bulldozed in favour of the railway. It's been a cause of red faces that West Devon Council has in recent years been keen to stop any construction on the trackbed, yet is the only major blockage in Tavistock. Could be a good excuse for a few redundancies too.

Property isn't a big deal in building railways, so long as there isn't too much of it. Greater Manchester's transport body bought quite a few houses and rented them to tenants until the time came to demolish them. The first preparatory jobs for the Oldham town centre tram route were the building of a funeral parlour and a Baptist church, plus demolition of the former buildings. Elsewhere, a boys' club was rebuilt a few yards away from the rotting corrugated iron hut they used before. No-one complained.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 19, 2014, 15:54:27
From the Edinburgh Evening News (http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/bid-to-re-open-portobello-railway-station-1-3448630):

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Bid to re-open Portobello railway station

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The Talisman Express passes through Portobello Station. Picture: TSPL

Campaigners are pushing to re-open Portobello Railway station to the public 50 years after a decision was made to close it.

The station has not been in use since 1964, but would be reopened under ambitious proposals being put forward by Portobello Community Council.

Engineering issues and cost had previously derailed bids to revive the station, but it is understood the Borders Railway project will soon resolve one of the main obstacles.

Portobello Junction is to be remodelled to allow for a greater frequency of trains and campaigners are hopeful any upgrade work will allow for a station reopening.

All that remains is the station master^s house, which sits at Station Brae, off Brighton Place.

Portobello community councillor Max Blinkhorn said: ^It^s early days but the Borders Railway remodelling should lead to costs coming down significantly. There would obviously be other hoops such as having to prove that a Portobello Station would be worthwhile and attracting necessary funding, but there^s a real appetite for it locally. It would make Portobello and the promenade a real destination. It would be a great thing for the area.^

Portobello station was originally closed as part of the swingeing cuts to the network following the publication of the Beeching Report in 1963.

Members of the Capital Rail Action Group (Crag) are of the belief that running trains through Portobello would dramatically reduce journey times for those travelling in and out of the city centre ^ a five-minute train ride compared to a 30-minute bus service.
 Portobello is by no means the only local community looking to reopen its old rail station. In East Lothian, East Linton residents have been asking for a rail service linking them to Edinburgh for years.

It would appear that the Scottish Government is listening as it has asked companies bidding for the next ScotRail franchise to include the cost of a Berwick-upon-Tweed to Edinburgh service stopping at new stations at East Linton and Reston, in the Borders.

A report commissioned by the South East Scotland transport partnership has also been published showing that such a service has a strong business case and would be possible without disrupting London trains.

Rail operator Network Rail said at present it has no plan to reopen Portobello Station but remains open to Scottish Government instruction or any third party bid.

A Network Rail spokesman said: ^We are always open to discuss third-party proposals to enhance the railway, but any project of this nature would have to be supported by a viable business case, have a funding package and meet a clear need.^

The station was opened in 1846 by the North British Railway. During its lifetime it was served by most passenger trains running out of the east end of Waverley including stopping trains on the Berwick and Carlisle main lines and through trains to towns such as Musselburgh, North Berwick, Gifford, Penicuik and Dalkeith.

There was also a service to South Leith from a separate platform. Following the opening of Leith Central in 1903, the South Leith service was rapidly run down and withdrawn in 1905.

Originally Portobello was not included in the list of stations proposed for closure in Dr Becching^s Reshaping of British Railways report of March 1963, but was added later and closed on September 7, 1964.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on June 19, 2014, 16:22:07
Members of the Capital Rail Action Group (Crag) are of the belief that running trains through Portobello would dramatically reduce journey times for those travelling in and out of the city centre ^ a five-minute train ride compared to a 30-minute bus service.


The buses run every few minutes, and I suspect that a train service to compete with that would need to be quite high frequency.   The attraction of a five minute train journey could so easily turn into a frustration if the choice was bus (5 minutes wait and 30 mins journey) or train (30 minute wait and 5 mins journey)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Dark Star on June 22, 2014, 20:21:58
To assist the public Timetables are printed.
Turn up at station 5 mins before train. In town within 10mins, if on bus still 20 mins from town on the bus!


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 01, 2014, 23:27:40
From the Border Telegraph (http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/borders/articles/2014/06/29/502579-housing-levy-cash-falls-short-as-railway-payment-day-looms-for-sbc/):

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Housing levy cash falls short as railway payment day looms for SBC

The bill for the Borders Railway is, according to last year^s estimate from Transport Scotland, due to top ^353 million when trains finally start running next September.

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And although construction work is half completed, Scottish Borders Council has so far not paid a penny towards the cost of the project.

That surprising revelation has come in a response to a Freedom of Information enquiry which asks simply: ^How much has the council spent on the Borders Railway project to date?^

The terse reply states: ^SBC has not spent any money on the railway; the project to date has been grant funded by Transport Scotland.^

Back in 2004, the council agreed to commit ^7.4 million over the first 30 years of the project, the cash to be raised from ^developer contributions^ levied against successful planning applications for new houses which would benefit from the railway.

Last December, the council sanctioned the use of ^250,000 towards the design of new stations. And as recently as last month, the council agreed to spend ^190,000 over two years on the appointment of two new officials to manage ^benefits realisation work^ linked to the railway^s delivery.

Seeking clarification of when these moneys will be spent, the Border Telegraph has discovered that, so far, just ^810,000 has been raised in railway-related developer contributions. And the council^s phased funding commitment to the project^s construction has risen to ^8.7 million.

Levied originally in the Central Borders Housing Market Area (HMA), developer contributions were extended to the North Ettrick and Lauderdale HMA in 2006 when the railway legislation confirmed the inclusion of a station at Stow.

The current contribution per new residential property in these areas has been set at ^1,734 per unit.

A council spokesperson told us: ^The costs of the initial enabling works and project development costs have been funded in full by Transport Scotland. As part of the future funding package, SBC, along with Midlothian and the City of Edinburgh councils, is due to pass developer contributions to Network Rail to part-fund the costs of the railway.

^SBC contributions total ^8.7 million over the next 30 years. The first payment of contributions totalling ^1 million is due one year after the first train runs and the council has already collected the majority [81 per cent] of the sum due. The remaining contributions will be collected and passed to Network Rail based on an annual payment schedule which can be flexed if there are any delays or accelerations in the collection of developer contributions.

^Last year elected members approved a range of projects including expenditure of up to ^250,000 - funded by the return of surplus police and fire reserves from the former Lothian and Borders joint boards - to deliver a range of enhancements to the fabric of new stations in the Borders. So far it has been possible to negotiate these enhancements with Network Rail without drawing on this funding.  In the event that the money is not required to enhance stations, a further report will be submitted to council seeking members^ views on the deployment of these monies to meet priorities.

^A total of ^95,000 per annum has been identified by the council for two years to help co-ordinate delivery of the benefits of the Borders Railway. The funding will be used to pay for staff time to co-ordinate a range of economic development projects, including railway linked inward investment and the promotion of the region as a place to do business.

^Other activities include visitor marketing, transport linkages and the development of strategic business sites. The funding will ensure over the next two years that the economic benefits of the railway investment are maximised. The additional staff resource will be put in place as soon as possible.^

Finally, the Border Telegraph wanted to know who will pay for road, bridge and other infrastructure repairs resulting from the railway^s construction. The spokesperson told us: ^SBC wrote on Jun 17 to [main contractors] BAM Nuttall expressing its concerns over the state of some roads affected by the Borders Railway project and have sought a response from BAM on a joint agreement to remedy this situation as a matter of urgency. Both parties will continue to work together constructively to ensure the best possible outcomes.^


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on August 17, 2014, 08:10:30
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It has emerged there is still some dispute over whether it should be named the Borders Railway or the Waverley Line - after the original line which was closed in 1969. It follows a debate over whether to call the terminus Tweedbank or Tweedbank Abbotsford.

See more at: http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/galashiels/articles/2014/08/16/507226-new-row-for-borders-railway/

Am I alone in wondering if the name "Borders" would be best applied once it opens further south and crosses the borders of England and Scotland?  ;)   No - it seems not, but others wonder the other way!

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Speaking at this month^s meeting of Galashiels Community Council, Councillor John Mitchell, who represents the area on Scottish Borders Council, said: ^It will be the Waverley Line when it goes to Hawick and Carlisle.^ However, community council chairman, Ian Purvis, pointed out the new line to Tweedbank, which takes its name after the Waverley Novels by Sir Walter Scott and is due to be completed in around 12 months time, should make the most of its connections to his former home at nearby Abbotsford House, now a world class visitor attraction.

Please excuse the link being to a "signup" page.   If you take their little survey you'll get access ...


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on August 17, 2014, 08:59:00
The Scottish Borders (plural) is a distinct region and indeed has a council of that name, so it's not unreasonable for the railway to be called the Borders Railway.

Clearly a major issue for the scheme though. One more reason for the detractors to knock it.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on August 17, 2014, 13:44:07
The Scottish Borders (plural) is a distinct region and indeed has a council of that name, so it's not unreasonable for the railway to be called the Borders Railway.

Clearly a major issue for the scheme though. One more reason for the detractors to knock it.

A nice problem to have - if only the sole problem we had in another place was whether it was the Portishead line or the North Somerset line.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 26, 2014, 16:17:27
From the Edinburgh Evening News (http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/borders-rail-steam-train-tourism-plan-1-3515382):

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Borders Rail steam train tourism plan

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First Minister Alex Salmond at Eildon Mill this morning. Picture: Johnston Press

The long awaited Borders Railway will be operational from September 6 next year it was announced by the First Minister today, with plans for a steam train experience to operate on the line.

Alex Salmond announced future plans for a feasibility study of the Borders Railway, to look at how the railway will transform the tourism potential of the region.

The study, led by Scottish Enterprise in partnership with VisitScotland, Scottish Borders Council and Transport Scotland, will look at tourist opportunities from any future development of the line.

This includes the potential for a turntable and the creation of a permanent home at Tweedbank Station for the Great Tapestry of Scotland, the world^s longest embroidered tapestry, reflecting the textile heritage of the area.

Plans were announced to maximise the tourist potential of the line by introducing a steam train experience which could benefit the local economy by million of pounds a year. The steam train experience will start as early as September 2015. The intention is for a significant expansion as the tapestry centre opens in 2016.

Speaking from the site of Tweedbank Station, the First Minister said: ^From September 2015 -- for the first time in almost half a century -- there will be passenger train services running on this track. For commuters and tourists alike, the reopened line will provide opportunities to enjoy the many fantastic attractions and experiences on offer in the Borders. We can expect the Scottish economy to benefit by tens of millions of pounds from the regular train line.

^The feasibility study will look at how the area can benefit from the railway. With a dedicated tourist service and the attraction of the Great Tapestry of Scotland to be based at Tweedbank, more people than ever will get to visit and enjoy Scotland^s stunning Borders. There will be few railway journeys anywhere in Europe to match the outstanding scenery along the route of the new Borders Railway. I have no doubt that Borders Railway will be profoundly successful and I will be one of the first in line for a ticket when the trains are running in September next year.^

Other measures have also been announced to help boost the potential tourism brought by the new railway, such as extending the platform at Galashiels Station to accommodate a longer train -- allowing passengers to alight and explore the town - as well as a path being constructed to connect Newtongrange to the National Mining Museum.

There will also be Wifi connectivity available at all seven stations on the route of the railway

A train will be covered in special livery advertising the tourist potential of the Borders.

Council leader, Councillor Owen Thompson welcomed the news that Transport Scotland is to fund a path directly from the new station at Newtongrange into the National Mining Museum Scotland.

He said: ^The 5 star mining museum is just one of scores of attractions here in Midlothian. We sit just 10 miles south of Edinburgh city centre and the county is steeped in history, picturesque villages and wonderful scenery. The station itself will potentially bring enormous economic benefits to the area and to hear Transport Scotland is now funding a path straight to one of our most fascinating museums is great news for the museum in particular and tourism in general. I am looking forward immensely to the re-opening of the railway when the museum and lots of local businesses will be making visitors, new and old, very welcome.^

Catherine Maxwell Stewart, Tourism Business representative on the Scottish Borders Community Planning Partnership said: ^The Borders Railway offers a fantastic opportunity for local tourism businesses to attract new visitors to the area and to offer them exciting, new experiences.^

Mike Cantlay, Chairman of VisitScotland said: ^The scenery from Edinburgh through Midlothian down to the Scottish Borders and back again is remarkable and I have no doubt that visitors will make the journey just for the experience as well as to visit the many attractions along the way, including the National Mining Museum Scotland at Newtongrange and Abbotsford House. The romanticism captured by steam trains will give the route added value, following in the tracks of the Jacobite steam train journey from Fort William to Mallaig which welcomes thousands of visitors every year.

^We are excited that we are moving ever closer to the launch of this magnificent new line and will be working with partners over the coming months to ensure the tourism potential of the Borders Railway is fully realised, encouraging visitors to explore yet more of Scotland^s beautiful urban and rural landscapes.^

Alistair Moffat, co-chairman of the Great Tapestry of Scotland Trustees said how it would be ^fitting and satisfying^ to see the tapestry return to the Borders, where it was started, after it has been ^stitched by a thousand Scots^.

The first rails of the Borders Railway were laid last week in Bowshank Tunnel near Galashiels.

The project is set to cost ^350 million.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Rhydgaled on August 26, 2014, 17:22:48
A turntable! Fishguard Harbour doesn't even have a serviceable run-round loop anymore, yet still has charter trains occasionally, wheras the loop at Milford Haven remains intact (I think) despite the fact I don't think a charter has visited for quite some time (open to correction there).


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 02, 2014, 22:16:08
There is a really excellent, detailed and well-illustrated article on the Rail Engineer website, at http://www.therailengineer.com/2014/08/29/borders-on-track/

I won't even try to quote it here, but I do recommend that it's well worth a read.  :D


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 12, 2014, 12:06:34
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Borders Railway on Course for Completion as Main Track-Laying Begins
Thursday, October 9, 2014

Work has now begun to install almost 30 miles of rail on the Borders Railway as the project enters the main phase of track-laying on the new route.

Transport Minister Keith Brown and Mark Carne, chief executive of Network Rail, visited the newly-constructed Shawfair station today (Thursday, October 9) to officially launch this important phase of the track-laying programme.

By the end of the year, a state-of-the-art rail installation machine ^ capable of laying over 1km of track per day ^ will complete the Borders route.

The machine, operated by main contractor BAM, will install rails onto 90,000 sleepers laid out along the route and link up specialist sections of track that have already been installed at key locations.

The longest new domestic railway built in Britain in over a century, the Scottish Government-funded project will re-establish passenger services for the first time in over 40 years from Edinburgh through Midlothian to Tweedbank in the Scottish Borders.

Transport Minister, Keith Brown said:  ^This project isn^t just about building a railway ^ it^s about restoring links for communities that will result in employment, study and social opportunities. The installation of the tracks sees that long-held aspiration for the Borders and Midlothian becoming a tangible reality.

^With construction due to complete next summer and the line to enter service on September 6, 2015, the new railway will offer a fast and efficient alternative to the congested local road network allowing passengers to travel from Tweedbank to Edinburgh in around an hour at peak times.

^This time next year, for the first time in almost half a century, people will be travelling by train between Edinburgh, Midlothian and the Borders ^ a hugely proud achievement for those who have worked so hard to deliver this railway and an exciting development for these communities.^

Mark Carne, chief executive of Network Rail, added: ^The installation of track on this route puts rail services within touching distance for thousands of potential passengers in Midlothian and the Scottish Borders.^

^By the end of this year, rails will connect seven stations along the route to the national railway network for the first time in forty-five years. When services start running next September, the railway will form a new economic artery for the region, providing opportunities for employment, education and tourism. ^

Once the rails are in place the project team will install signalling and communications equipment as well as complete the construction and fit-out of seven new stations ^ at Shawfair, Eskbank, Newtongrange, Gorebridge, Stow, Galashiels and Tweedbank.

With construction due to complete in the summer 2015 and the line to enter service in September 2015, the new railway will offer a fast and efficient alternative to the congested local road network allowing passengers to travel from Tweedbank to Edinburgh in around an hour at peak times.

The railway is expected to deliver major economic and social development opportunities ^ connecting people to jobs, housing, leisure opportunities and other facilities. The project is a key part of the Scottish Government^s wider programme of investment in transport infrastructure, working towards the sustainable economic growth of Scotland.

See http://www.bordersrailway.co.uk/ for more details and regular updates



Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2014, 18:15:31
From the Border Telegraph (http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/galashiels/articles/2014/11/14/515633-rail-noise-expected-in-the-borders/):

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Rail noise expected in the Borders

Rail chiefs revealed they expect to get complaints over the noise of the engines involved in laying the track for the new line between Edinburgh and the Borders.

However, they insisted that the trains which will eventually run on the line when passenger services begin in September next year will be much quieter.

The Borders Railway, which runs between Tweedbank and Edinburgh, is expected to be laid by the end of the year with driver training and testing of the track due to start in the spring.

Speaking at this month^s meeting of Galashiels Community Council, Jonathan Hepton, the Borders Railway community liaison manager, said: ^It may be that this track laying train will attract some complaints as it hangs around and sounds its horn, but it^s not the same as the trains which will carry passengers on the line.^

The meeting heard that VisitScotland planned a special advertising campaign to promote the Borders Railway in a promotional campaign in 2015/16 and, before then, a train would be made up in special livery in advance of the line reopening.

The new line reached the Borders last week and is expected to reach the region^s first station at Stow on November 21.

When asked if the railway was still on course to be completed in time, Mr Hepton said: ^There is no indication that it^s not going to schedule, everything seems to be going very well.^

The meeting was reminded that a return fare between Edinburgh and Tweedbank would cost ^15.70 at peak times and ^13.10 at off-peak times, although under fives travel free, children get 50 per cent and rail card holders could get up to a third off their fares. Community councillor tom Ingoldsby said it was ^reasonable^ in comparison to the cost of petrol and parking in Edinburgh.

Gala in Bloom has confirmed it will adopt the new station platform in Galashiels to spruce up the entrance to the town. Chairwoman Judith Cleghorn said: ^I don^t think there is a lot of room for decoration on the platform but we^ll certainly do something.^


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on February 06, 2015, 01:45:04
It gets closer ... with track laying almost complete.  And it appears that fares won't be cheap:

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PENSIONERS and disabled ^people living along the Borders Railway will be denied cheap fares unlike those using nearby lines, The Scotsman has learned.

That's under a headline "Elderly and disabled denied Borders rail discount" at http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/elderly-and-disabled-denied-borders-rail-discount-1-3681916

I suspect that's just sloppy journalism - that disabled and senior railcards WILL be honoured and that the fares on this line won't be set at an expensive level.  It means that customers won't be able to use their bus passes to get a train discount (as they can in our area on Westbury -> Weymouth and Swindon -> Worcester, but not on Westbury -> Swindon in between!).

The article goes on

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Midlothian and Scottish Borders councils confirmed they will not offer discounts to residents using the Edinburgh-Tweedbank route due to open in September.

By contrast, people over 60 or with disabilities in neighbouring East and West Lothian receive a range of discounts, such as half-price travel on local lines.

A total of 282,000 journeys were made using the West Lothian scheme last year and 136,000 in East Lothian.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: readytostart on February 06, 2015, 05:17:10
The former Lothian Regional Council areas have vastly different concessionary fares in operation.

Midlothian: No concession as currently not stations within the council area.
City of Edinburgh: Former discount of 50p single ^1 withdrawn - it was only valid to rail destinations within the city limits, so not of a great deal of use, now valid for free tram travel.
East Lothian: Half fare at any time of day for the appropriate ticket type. 5p single, 10p return for companions of blind passengers.
West Lothian: ^1 single, ^2 return to a wde rangle of stations including to Edinburgh and to the outskirts of Glasgow (generally neighbouring council areas) and half fare to East Lothian and a range of stations in Glasgow city. Only valid off peak at the same time restrictions as CDRs.

So you can see why they'd be a bit miffed that they still have to take the bus.

Passengers who are visually impaired and have this impairment shown on their entitlement card are entitled to free train travel to any National Rail station in Scotland and also to Carlisle and Berwick-upon-Tweed.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on February 06, 2015, 07:34:26
So you can see why they'd be a bit miffed that they still have to take the bus.

I can indeed understand why they would be miffed if they weren't allowed to use the train, but surely they can use the train just like anyone else and pay just like anyone else 34% less than others with a railcard.  Taking a Galashiels to Waverley journey, the proposed fare is ^9.10 single which works out to ^15.50 return / ^12.80 off peak return / ^10.20 or ^8.50 return with railcard according to Transport Scotland (http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/project/borders-railway). 32 miles each way, so the railcard return fare is 13p per mile, and fares broadly comparable to London - Reading (so compare 10.20 return in Scotland to 44.30 in the Thames Valley for senior day return, bearing in mind senior railcard not valid for journeys wholly in the old NSE area before 09:30)

Doing a few wider sums on the project, they're estimating 600,000 journeys in (implied) the first year, rising to 1,000,000 over time.  With half hourly trains each way (hourly evenings and Sundays) that's 22000 services per annum giving an initial loading average of 27 per train rising to 45 per train.   Comparing to TransWilts, we achieved 28 per train in year 1 and, yes, can rise to 45.  I do suspect that trains on the Borders line will be at least twice as long as TransWilts ones (so loading there is estimated at 18% of seats rather than the 37% we achieved), but it looks like their provision will cope with the onward growth whereas we've got "full and standing" reports already on a regular basis (6 days a week) and something will need to be done if our growth isn't to be held back by negative customer reaction to on-train conditions.

http://www.transportscotland.gov.uk/project/borders-railway


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on February 08, 2015, 00:21:50
Purely as an aside, but knowing the level of interest in all things rail here, there are many interesting pictures and a few videos on  this site (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1169593&page=11)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: chrisr_75 on February 12, 2015, 12:26:03
Further update on the BBC today - the track laying is now complete. Too many photos in the article to re-post in full here, so click the link for more:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-31413672 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-31413672)



Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 22, 2015, 22:10:53
The timetable has been published - it's getting close!

http://www.scotrail.co.uk/sites/default/files/assets/download_ct/122963_newcraighall-edinburgh.pdf


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Rhydgaled on April 23, 2015, 10:23:58
The timetable has been published - it's getting close!

http://www.scotrail.co.uk/sites/default/files/assets/download_ct/122963_newcraighall-edinburgh.pdf
That seems to be a fairly comprehensive service, half-hourly. No half measures there. Makes me wonder why it shut when there are many lines, at least here in Wales, which survived Beeching etc. and have a much lower level of service today than half-hourly.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on April 27, 2015, 13:48:09
The same will probably be said of the Portishead line when it reopens. You have to move with the times!


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 19, 2015, 12:32:41
Some new station codes to get used to:

TWB
GAL
SOI
GBG
NEG
EKB
SFI

...tickets on sale now!


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 08, 2015, 02:13:30
From STV News (http://news.stv.tv/east-central/1325879-queen-to-mark-becoming-longest-reigning-monarch-on-borders-railway-visit/):

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Queen to mark becoming longest reigning monarch with railway visit

The Queen will carry out an official engagement on the day she becomes the longest reigning monarch in British history ^ opening the new Scottish Borders Railway.

On September 9, she will pass the record set by her great-great-grandmother Queen Victoria.

Buckingham Palace has calculated that Queen Victoria reigned for 23,226 days, 16 hours and 23 minutes, taking into account 63 years, 15 leap days and the precise timings of her accession and death.

On the historic day the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh will be joined by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon on a steam train travelling along the new route with celebrations planned for the start and end of the journey.

The ^294m railway, which opens to the public on Sunday September 6, will re-establish passenger services from Edinburgh through Midlothian to Tweedbank in the Borders for the first time in more than 40 years.

Keith Brown, the Scottish Government's cabinet secretary for infrastructure, said: "It is a great honour for us that Her Majesty has chosen to mark this milestone by leading the celebrations for the opening of the Borders Railway. The people of the Borders and Midlothian have waited almost half a century to see the return of their railway and it is fitting that these two such historic events coincide. This will be a double celebration and we are also ensuring that the people who have campaigned, worked hard and shown such patience throughout this process are able to play a full part in the celebrations, with a separate day dedicated just to them."

The day will begin with the Queen and Philip arriving at Waverley Station in Edinburgh to board the train drawn by the steam locomotive Union of South Africa.

With Ms Sturgeon they will travel the new route, stopping off at Newtongrange in Midlothian before carrying on to the final station on the new line, the Borders town of Tweedbank.

Mike Cantlay, chairman of VisitScotland, said: "Royal connections to Scotland are incredibly strong, and so there is no better place to be than our wonderful capital city, launching one of our most exciting new attractions ^ the Borders Railway. The new Borders Railway, which delves deep into Sir Walter Scott country, presents a huge opportunity for Scottish tourism."

He added: "The romanticism captured by the steam trains that will be travelling on the line for the first six weeks after opening will give the route added value, following in the tracks of the Jacobite steam train journey from Fort William to Mallaig which welcomes thousands of visitors every year."

Work started on the Borders Railway in 2013 with the last bridge installed in May this year and driving and conductor training beginning the following month. Seven new stations have been constructed along the ten-stop route.

It was built by Network Rail in partnership with local authorities from the area, Transport Scotland and the main contractor, construction group Bam Nuttall, with services run by ScotRail.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on August 08, 2015, 08:18:20

On the historic day the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh will be joined by First Minister Nicola Sturgeon on a steam train travelling along the new route with celebrations planned for the start and end of the journey.

Am I alone in finding it a bit ironic that they're celebrating / looking forward to the future pulled by an anachronistic and CO2 unfriendly piece of equipment that was in service at the time the line was closed.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on August 08, 2015, 19:58:54

Am I alone in finding it a bit ironic that they're celebrating / looking forward to the future pulled by an anachronistic and CO2 unfriendly piece of equipment that was in service at the time the line was closed.

Quite possibly...

Ironic also that she will become the longest reigning Queen of Scotland on the same day, having once survived a legal challenge to her title "Queen Elizabeth II" from a Scotsman who correctly argued that there had never been a Queen Elizabeth I of Scotland.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 09, 2015, 06:29:31
Line open - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-34108746

Line to be re-opened (officially!) later today  ;)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: CLPGMS on September 09, 2015, 17:06:19
Yes, it did reopen today - about 40 minutes late.  Not the railway's fault.  The Queen's helicopter to Edinburgh was delayed by low cloud/fog.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 09, 2015, 17:07:31
Yes, it did reopen today - about 40 minutes late.  Not the railway's fault.  The Queen's helicopter to Edinburgh was delayed by low cloud/fog.

Did the train wait to make the connection?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 10, 2015, 07:45:39
I love this...


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: rower40 on September 12, 2015, 15:18:34
Yes, it did reopen today - about 40 minutes late.  Not the railway's fault.  The Queen's helicopter to Edinburgh was delayed by low cloud/fog.

Did the train wait to make the connection?
Not only did it wait, but various other Borders Line trains were cancelled to make space for it on the single-track sections.  Some had been planned to be cancelled (and therefore could, on the day, have run); others were CAPEd while waiting to depart Tweedbank.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 12, 2015, 15:53:29
It's a shame that the requirement to handle excursions and specials (of which Ma Windsor's was one of many to come) was not factored into the build, if (as politicians are telling us) these are to play an important role in the future of the line. I wonder how much they saved by value-engineering it until the pips squeaked?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: rower40 on September 12, 2015, 16:20:52
There's an old railway saying (and I joined BR in 1988);
"There's never enough money to do the job properly ... but there's always enough to do it twice."


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: ellendune on September 12, 2015, 21:11:35
It's a shame that the requirement to handle excursions and specials (of which Ma Windsor's was one of many to come) was not factored into the build, if (as politicians are telling us) these are to play an important role in the future of the line. I wonder how much they saved by value-engineering it until the pips squeaked?

Ah but as the bean counters have redefined value engineering it is not about obtaining best value, but instead it is about engineering all the valuie out of the project.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on September 13, 2015, 12:28:47
The general complaint has been that the reduction in double track has limited the ability of excursion trains to operate without disruption to the normal timetable, and this is certainly true of the Mon to Sat service, as evidenced by the need to remove trains from the timetable when the steam excursions are running. However, the second platform (of appropriate length) was added to the specification at a fairly late stage, so at least they can run.

Though it wouldn't take more double track to enable excursions to be run - just a couple of low speed passing loops. Whilst undoubtedly they will cost more to install than if done at outset, I'm inclined to think that it was the right decision to pare the cost and get the line built, given it has still cost ^300m.

What does appear shortsighted was the decision to build bridges (particularly those where the road runs above the railway) only wide enough for single track.  I can't imagine it costs much more to add the additional width when constructed, but you will be looking at complete reconstruction if the decision is taken to rebuild.

I'd also suggest that a run around facility near Tweedbank should be high on the list of future enhancements, to avoid the need for two locos and enable steam haulage both ways, which would reduce costs and increase the attractiveness of the steam proposition. 


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: rower40 on September 13, 2015, 20:57:30

I'd also suggest that a run around facility near Tweedbank should be high on the list of future enhancements, to avoid the need for two locos and enable steam haulage both ways, which would reduce costs and increase the attractiveness of the steam proposition. 

This.  Extend both platforms into a headshunt.  One more set of points, 3 additional signals.  But I don't know the terrain and geography - there may be buildings in the way just beyond the buffers.
For even better kettle-LOLs, make that headshunt a turntable, like at Thomas-Land at Drayton Manor Park...


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on September 13, 2015, 21:06:09
No buildings, but they've built the access road to the station car park just beyond the end of the platforms. So again, to do what you suggest would now be very expensive, but if built into the design at the outset, much less so.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: ellendune on September 13, 2015, 21:18:19
No buildings, but they've built the access road to the station car park just beyond the end of the platforms. So again, to do what you suggest would now be very expensive, but if built into the design at the outset, much less so.

If thinking this way remember not to increase the cost of extending the line, but putting something in the way.  To my mind steam excursions, much as I like them are not what this line is about. 

In the interwar period Britain's railway companies were at the height of steam locomotive development - because other nations were moving on to more sustainable methods of traction.  Only the Southern were really forward looking to any degree.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 13, 2015, 22:00:28
No buildings, but they've built the access road to the station car park just beyond the end of the platforms. So again, to do what you suggest would now be very expensive, but if built into the design at the outset, much less so.

And yet

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/government-commits-on-borders-railway-to-carlisle-1-3881654

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IT^S only been operating for a few days ^ but there^s no doubt the Borders Railway has already picked up a firm fanbase.

And now the Scottish Government has admitted it is ^committed^ to helping extend the line to Carlisle.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 13, 2015, 22:10:14
To my mind steam excursions, much as I like them are not what this line is about. 

Agreed ... and shouldn't that apply to all most all National Rail lines?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on September 14, 2015, 07:34:12
I would agree, but having built the facility to have charter trains at Tweedbank, clearly the promotors of the line have recognised that they do have a role to play.

And if the intent is to have them on a regular basis in the summer, then the economic benefit to the community and businesses at the end of the line would be significant. Just ask those with businesses in Mallaig, who faced the prospect earlier this year of no Jacobite services and were openly talking of the damaging effect it would have had on their trade.



Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: PhilWakely on September 14, 2015, 07:51:32
I would agree, but having built the facility to have charter trains at Tweedbank, clearly the promotors of the line have recognised that they do have a role to play.

Talking about charters to Tweedbank.... Pathfinder Railtours are running 'The Border Reiver' to Tweedbank this weekend with 66s top and tail. It is an overnighter from Eastleigh to Tweedbank. I am booked on it, but what is a little off-putting about this tour is the following statement from their brochure...
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Due to the high density of scheduled services along the mainly single track branchline it is only possible to get our classic loco hauled train through to Tweedbank and back before the first services start in the morning.

Therefore, the return trip along the Borders Line will be done almost entirely in darkness. I pointed this out to the lady on the end of the 'phone at Pathfinder when I enquired about the tour and her response was "Oh, I didn't realise that".  ::)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2015, 09:31:42
Logic might suggest keeping a couple of modern coaches (of the sort stored in various places) at Edinburgh Waverley, and tacking them on to excursion trains running up to Tweedbank for the benefit of regularly ticketed travellers using regular train paths.

P.S. Yes, I can see flaws in my logic  :'(

Note - originally and accidentally posted to Dawlish!


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: rogerw on September 14, 2015, 13:23:55
I have booked on a UK Railtours trip on 30 December from London and points north which will be doing the line in daylight


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: eightf48544 on September 14, 2015, 23:33:13
I was asked how did they turn 60009 for the return journey of the royal train. There are a couple of triangles at Millerhill did they work the train back with a diesel and take the Streak off turn it and put it on the other end.

I didn't see the news but was told it pulled the train chimney first  in both directions.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 15, 2015, 06:55:45
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I didn't see the news but was told it pulled the train chimney first  in both directions.

No, it was dragged by a 67 on its return
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCm4g5cZEJ0


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 18, 2015, 10:05:38
From The Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/borders-railway-complaints-over-delays-and-overcrowding-1-3885713):

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Borders Railway complaints over delays and overcrowding

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Borders Railway has been plagued with complaints regarding overcrowding and delays in its first week of service. Picture: Ian Rutherford

Delays and overcrowding have plagued the Borders Railway^s first week, deterring passengers from using the new service, campaigners have claimed.

Many trains have operated with just two carriages, despite operator ScotRail^s pledge to run longer services to meet demand after the line^s high-profile official opening by the Queen.

Passengers have expressed anger at trains being so full they have been unable to get on. Other problems include ticket machines not recognising the line^s seven new stations.

Over half the 35-mile, ^350 million route is single track and operated largely by ScotRail^s diesel trains, most of which are awaiting refurbishment.

Monitoring by the Campaign for Borders Rail (CBR) showed a ^significant proportion^ of trains since the opening on Sunday, 6 September had been more than ten minutes late, and some up to 17 minutes late over their one-hour journey.

Members reported passengers standing all the way between Edinburgh and Tweedbank, which is between Galashiels and Melrose. Delays have increased by the extra time taken for passengers to get on and off crowded trains.

CBR chairman Simon Walton said services had been ^less than perfect^. He said: ^We did expect ScotRail to honour pledges to lengthen all trains in the early weeks to cope with demand - but that hasn^t been the case, with many running in the very minimum two-car formations and consequent overcrowding on some services.^

Robert Drysdale, an Edinburgh planning consultant who has travelled on the line several times, said: ^It was particularly important to get first impressions right, but I suspect there has been a lot of alienation.^

Rail consultant David Spaven, author of ^Waverley Route - the battle for the Borders Railway^, said: ^There have been too many late trains, compounded by too many being just two coaches long ^ unforgivably, even during peak hours. Astonishingly, there have been no special managerial measures put in place by ScotRail to oversee the critical first few weeks of operation. This is the crucial period when passengers new to rail decide whether or not to stick with the train, and too many will now have been put off by their first underwhelming experiences.^

ScotRail said disruption had been caused by factors including a train breaking down, signal problems, high passenger numbers and disruptive travellers.

A spokesman said: ^Thousands of people have flocked to use the new line, and despite extra carriages being added to many trains, it has been particularly busy on board some services, as expected. At times this has caused delays while these unusually large numbers of customers board and alight. In addition, there has been other disruption at times and we apologise to anyone whose journey has been delayed this week.^

The train operator said it was ^working hard^ to fix the problem which had prevented passengers buying Borders line tickets from a machine at Waverley Station in Edinburgh.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: eightf48544 on September 18, 2015, 11:43:03
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I didn't see the news but was told it pulled the train chimney first  in both directions.

No, it was dragged by a 67 on its return
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCm4g5cZEJ0

Thanks Ad thought they wouldn't go back to Millerhill turn the loco put it on the other end and back to Tweedbank.

I'll tell the person who asked the question.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 18, 2015, 13:00:45
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Borders Railway complaints over delays and overcrowding

Delays and overcrowding have plagued the Borders Railway^s first week, deterring passengers from using the new service, campaigners have claimed.

Many trains have operated with just two carriages, despite operator ScotRail^s pledge to run longer services to meet demand after the line^s high-profile official opening by the Queen.

Passengers have expressed anger at trains being so full they have been unable to get on. Other problems include ticket machines not recognising the line^s seven new stations.

Over half the 35-mile, ^350 million route is single track and operated largely by ScotRail^s diesel trains, most of which are awaiting refurbishment.

Monitoring by the Campaign for Borders Rail (CBR) showed a ^significant proportion^ of trains since the opening on Sunday, 6 September had been more than ten minutes late, and some up to 17 minutes late over their one-hour journey.

Members reported passengers standing all the way between Edinburgh and Tweedbank, which is between Galashiels and Melrose. Delays have increased by the extra time taken for passengers to get on and off crowded trains.

CBR chairman Simon Walton said services had been ^less than perfect^.

I fear, Simon, this is also the real world.   Teething problems, a need to handle that anticipated peak of first time riders (on trains obtained  borrowed from where?), and the fact that keeping spare resources to hand in case they're needed is very expensive ... well ... were you promised a perfect service of new trains from the start, or did anyone say "there are likely to be a few early issues ..."

Celebrate the new line and the service - work out the initial issues and get on with it  ;D


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 18, 2015, 13:14:18
Celebrate the new line and the service - work out the initial issues and get on with it  ;D

Well said.  I can't speak for the overcrowding, but from looking at the performance logs it has been far from disastrous punctuality wise - I can't find very many trains arriving over ten minutes late, especially in the last few days.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris125 on September 21, 2015, 23:53:55
I'd also suggest that a run around facility near Tweedbank should be high on the list of future enhancements, to avoid the need for two locos and enable steam haulage both ways, which would reduce costs and increase the attractiveness of the steam proposition. 

Running backwards 'tender-first' is limited to 45mph, so steam haulage both ways would almost certainly require a turntable as well - an expensive prospect, and not one that could be justified without knowing how successful these trips prove.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Rhydgaled on September 22, 2015, 09:03:51
I'd also suggest that a run around facility near Tweedbank should be high on the list of future enhancements, to avoid the need for two locos and enable steam haulage both ways, which would reduce costs and increase the attractiveness of the steam proposition. 

Running backwards 'tender-first' is limited to 45mph, so steam haulage both ways would almost certainly require a turntable as well - an expensive prospect, and not one that could be justified without knowing how successful these trips prove.
Not sure if the source is accurate, but I've read in the past that there is one loco which can run tender-first at 60mph (see here) (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/15702-cambrian-and-fort-william-summer-steam/#entry146951).


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris125 on September 22, 2015, 16:47:50
Not sure if the source is accurate, but I've read in the past that there is one loco which can run tender-first at 60mph (see here) (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/15702-cambrian-and-fort-william-summer-steam/#entry146951).

That may be true but posts on this thread (https://www.national-preservation.com/threads/45305.18430/) a year before do not suggest 76079 benefits from a higher limit, and it would seem surprising tbh.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 27, 2015, 00:48:28
From The Scotsman (http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-short-of-trains-for-its-busiest-routes-1-3899403?)

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SCOTRAIL is so short of trains following the opening of the Borders Railway that it may be forced to hire extra carriages to cope with booming demand across the network.

Travellers on the line have complained of overcrowding ^ as have commuters on routes across the Central Belt.

Other packed services include the North Berwick and Dunblane lines into Edinburgh, and the Ayr-Glasgow route.

I wondered where they had got the trains from ...


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on September 27, 2015, 10:36:32
Ironically the recent infill electrification projects were designed (in part) to release enough dmu's to enable the service to run. However, I understand the Abellio's franchise bid included releasing some stock elsewhere, which is behind the issue. Funnily enough, their PR at franchise win and launch forgot to mention that 4 relatively new 3 car units (Cl 170) would be making the journey down to Sussex. Think what a difference they would have made to the Borders Railway overcrowding.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: ellendune on September 27, 2015, 17:58:20
Don't I remember a franchise bid in 2006? somewhere further south that released some units they 'did not need'.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on September 27, 2015, 19:04:35
Don't I remember a franchise bid in 2006? somewhere further south that released some units they 'did not need'.


Yes, I seem to recall as part of that they thought they could reduce the Cardiff Portsmouth services back down to 2 cars, just a couple of years after Wessex Trains had increased them to 3.  I still can't believe how anyone thought that was ever going to work.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on September 28, 2015, 16:40:56

Yes, I seem to recall as part of that they thought they could reduce the Cardiff Portsmouth services back down to 2 cars, just a couple of years after Wessex Trains had increased them to 3.  I still can't believe how anyone thought that was ever going to work.

They are often 4-car now and very busy, especially between Cardiff, Bristol, and Bath.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Rhydgaled on September 28, 2015, 16:57:38
Yes, I seem to recall as part of that they thought they could reduce the Cardiff Portsmouth services back down to 2 cars, just a couple of years after Wessex Trains had increased them to 3.  I still can't believe how anyone thought that was ever going to work.

They are often 4-car now and very busy, especially between Cardiff, Bristol, and Bath.
I thought Cardiff-Portsmouth was now worked by 3-car 158s. Assuming you are correct and they are 4-car, is that a 153 + 3-car 158?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: phile on September 28, 2015, 18:20:25
Some are 4 Car between Cardiff and Westbury and vice versa.   The grand total of 2 !!!, so I don't know where the idea has come to transform 3 x Car 158s into 4.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: John R on September 28, 2015, 20:04:19
Apologies - I didn't finish the story which was that 3 car sets were reinstated a couple of years later after the furore of the fares strike and other activity which followed the sharp reduction in regional rolling stock in the area.

If I recall this package was dressed up as the government punishing FGW for poor service by forcing them to pay for the improvements when of course it was the government which accepted their franchise bid in the first instance.



 


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on September 28, 2015, 20:24:41
There's a history of franchise bids being based on making more efficient use of fewer trains.  And I can understand the frustration with "all that stock around" - the ratio of seats to passenger journeys must make an accountant shudder.  On TransWilts, I think we have around 530,000 seats per annum and (figures from last weekend) around 230,000 journeys.   That's 43% seat occupancy.    And our seat numbers are low as it's an infrequent 1 coach train, with journey numbers being quite high because it's not seasonal.   Talk of overcrowding on the Waverley route ... but I'll bet the southbound services before 9 a.m. aren't packed ...


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 28, 2015, 17:08:23
A review of the re-opening, from Railway Technology (http://www.railway-technology.com/features/featureborders-railway-scotlands-symbol-of-a-golden-age-4716352/):

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Borders Railway: Scotland^s symbol of a golden age

On 6 September, trains returned to the Scottish Borders for the first time in 46 years. The opening of the new Borders Railway, running between Tweedbank and Edinburgh, is the longest new domestic railway built in Britain for over a century. However, despite the fanfare and undoubted benefits, can the network cope with growing demand?

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When the first passengers stepped on to a train at Tweedbank station on a sunny September morning, it marked the end of what some have called a great injustice. The Reshaping of British Railways, a report by the then British Railways chairman Richard Beeching, saw the closure of the old Waverley Line in 1969, which ran through the Borders from Edinburgh to Carlisle.

This meant that the Scottish Borders was the only region of Britain without a train service. The town of Hawick took the brunt of the problems; its distance from Edinburgh and Carlisle left it as the largest town farthest from a railway station.

"People were condemned to a bus journey to Edinburgh [that took] almost twice as long as the train," says rail expert David Spaven, author of Waverley Route: the life, death and rebirth. "People had very difficult access to jobs and employment opportunities. It took so long to get anywhere. From many perspectives it was a great injustice."

Righting the wrongs of this injustice took many years and hard work - mostly by those in the area and through grassroots campaigning. Some of these campaigns began before the closure in 1969, but the project was given in a shot in arm in 1998, when the Campaign for Borders Rail (CBR) was organised. It has been fighting for the restoration of rail services along the former Waverley route ever since, says the campaign group's chair Simon Walton.

"Many people said that we were whistling in the wind when we attempted to form the campaign in the late 90s," says Walton. "Well, it's taken a long time but we've proved them wrong on that point. I'm glad to say that many of those detractors have said 'we were wrong'."

With the formation of the campaign, 17,000 signatures supporting the restoration were gathered by the CBR. Following this, the Waverley Railway Project was established by Scottish Borders and Midlothian councils to undertake the development of the Waverley Railway Bill, which was passed by the Scottish Parliament in 2006. Main works then began in 2013, with the Network Rail project team working to a budget of ^294m. The finished line runs from Tweedbank, through Galashiels and Newtongrange, up to Edinburgh Waverley.

"In the early days it wasn't a mainstream political project," explains Spaven. "What campaigners had to do was demonstrate, through their own research, hard work and feasibility studies, that the reopening of the railway was feasible. In the early days we certainly felt that it was going to be an uphill struggle."

ScotRail Alliance managing director Phil Verster says this long struggle and subsequent success marks a "huge achievement for those grassroots campaigners, as well as the many hundreds of men and women who have been connected to the project since its inception over a decade ago", adding that it is "historically significant".

The reopening represents much more than just a local grassroots achievement. It provides a chance to reinvigorate, economically and socially, an area that Walton says has been "blighted for nigh on 50 years".

"[The closure] disconnected those communities," he says. "[The loss of the railway] made it pretty much impossible for communities up and down the line to broaden their economic horizons and do what had, until then, been possible. It's far more than simply connecting to a railway network; it's connecting to the whole economic network."

Broadening those horizons can be separated into three areas: tourism, employment, and education.

"I think as many have said, it's absolutely crucial that the railway is literally putting the Borders back on the map," argues Spaven, who adds that the line will encourage more young people to stay in the Borders, "while accessing those [employment and education] opportunities in Midlothian and Edinburgh".

Verster agrees, explaining that a regular train service - running every half hour, except evenings and Sundays - is proving to be popular for social activities. "Sports events, concerts, theatres and restaurants in Edinburgh and Glasgow are now more accessible for residents along the route," he says.

The case is backed by businesses and educational facilities, too. Spark Energy CEO Chris Gauld has said that the railway will make the company "much more accessible from Edinburgh, and a viable alternative to commuting to jobs in Glasgow for IT developers", while the Borders College has outlined how it will provide better access to college courses and facilities for the communities living along the train route.

Scottish Infrastructure Secretary Keith Brown has stated that it is a chance to access "new work, learning and social opportunities, as well as new business and industry links".

"I was in a caf^ recently and prior to the line [coming back] it was pretty much on its knees and possibly close to closure," explains Walton. "Now, from opening time, it's virtually impossible to get a seat. Businesses up and down the railway line have said they have seen considerable increases in business, particular in Borders towns like Galashiels."

Despite the undoubted benefits the line has generated the Borders Railway is not without its problems. During the first month of service the route saw more than more than 125,000 journeys, something that drew widespread praise, but has also presented challenges. The soaring demand prompted ScotRail to add extra carriages to certain trains.

Early estimates suggested one million passengers within the first five years, but the indications are that this could be highly inaccurate. Verster says: "The business case for the new route carried out by Ernst and Young in 2012 suggested that the line would carry 650,000 passengers during the first 12 months... but we must not rush to judge the success of the new line based on that post-opening phase."

Walton, who has warned that there was a lack of future-proofing in the design of the route, says one of the main gripes is the lack of double-track. The original specification included over 16 miles of double track, but that has dropped to nine. "I would have to say that the overcrowding and demand does not come as a surprise to the CBR," says Walton. "We said this would be the case and repeated it. Operationally, the optimum would have been to make it a double track railway for its whole length."

Spaven agrees: "We've ended up with far too many incidents of overcrowding and unreliability, which may well put off people from travelling in the future."

Verster argues that the Borders line is no different to other across the UK, which have "seen a decade of unprecedented growth in railway passengers". This, he accepts, generates some significant long-term challenges.

So, how can some of the pressure be alleviated? Extending double track on an operational line is difficult, so Spaven thinks there is room for manoeuvre in the type of train being used; currently the line is served by Class 158s. "I think they [the powers that be] should be aiming to deploy trains that are better suited to the line, the likes of the Class 170s, which are much superior trains," says Spaven.

Nevertheless, such demand does prove the necessity of the Borders Railway. But, that by no means implies that campaigners, such as Walton and Spaven, are sitting still.

"Our campaign motto has always been the reinstatement of the whole Waverley route mainline between Edinburgh, Midlothian, the Borders, and Carlisle," says Walton.

While such an aim may be years from fruition, the momentum, and belief, is now sweeping through the Scottish Borders once more.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: trainer on November 29, 2015, 21:55:49
Re:CfN's post above, I note a repeat of the complaint that the services on the re-opened line are often full and standing and that a double track would have obviated that. On paper that may well be true, but there is not the rolling stock currently available even if the infrastructure could support it. Thus once again, demand is suppressed as no doubt some will be put off using the trains and we will never know whether with more capital input, for the same on-going subsidy, more people could benefit.  Everything is so parsimonious in the UK it seems.

I only know of one re-opened service that has really not worked (Swanline - stopping service between Cardiff and Swansea) the others being a tremendous success.  I am still convinced that when it eventually arrives, Portishead will surprise many with it success, even with its amended station site, although I'm not sure that it will be a regular steam excursion destination!

I also note from the Railway Magazine that the infrastructure workers are complaining about the human waste discharged onto their nice new track from the steam trains hauling stock without retention toilets.  I don't blame them, but it goes top show that while we are all excited about electrification and new lines, some basics are still very much an inconvenience.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 29, 2015, 22:07:31
Indeed - and, going off at a bit of a tangent:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b0/0d/f4/b00df4622501957dc24410b43c951fb4.jpg)

 :o ::) ;D


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2015, 08:32:36
Re:CfN's post above, I note a repeat of the complaint that the services on the re-opened line are often full and standing and that a double track would have obviated that.

More carriages or a redistribution of passengers away from peak trains to non-peak trains are what's "needed" if we're technical about it.   That could be longer trains (which probably don't need double tracking) or more trains (which would need a movement towards double tracking).    Longer trains would only be marginally slower that the current ones (take longer to go over restricted speed locations) and you have potential issues about loading people along the train.  The argument for more trains of the same length as at present could come from extra traffic generated by increasing the frequency; I'm not aware of local conditions on this line, but from what I understand from seeing it only on paper, I would suspect that a 15 or 20 minute service would not result in a huge further surge in use beyond what you would get with longer trains every 30 minutes.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 30, 2015, 09:37:22
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it the central issue here is that the line was value-engineered down to a specification that will make it very difficult and expensive to increase its capacity. As long as it never needs to carry more trains than it was projected to carry then that may be fine - but these projections have a habit of turning out to be underestimates. How much did they save by building new overbridges to accommodate single track? And how much would it now cost to widen them?

The phrase 'spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar' springs to mind.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: chopper1944 on November 30, 2015, 11:01:32
It's not just rail lines that this kind of thing happens to, compare this with the South Devon Link Road at the Penn Inn in Newton Abbot.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Rhydgaled on November 30, 2015, 11:43:05
Re:CfN's post above, I note a repeat of the complaint that the services on the re-opened line are often full and standing and that a double track would have obviated that. On paper that may well be true, but there is not the rolling stock currently available even if the infrastructure could support it.
I can't see the connection. To solve the crowding issue you need longer trains, the concern with the (lack of) double track I thought was about punctuallity (and, possibly, allowing charters to run without them having to take the path away from the standard service).

Longer trains would only be marginally slower that the current ones (take longer to go over restricted speed locations)
Interesting comment, that might I suppose push the single line occupation, but how much is it negated by the fact a longer train of 158s has less frontal area per unit of horse power?

I only know of one re-opened service that has really not worked (Swanline - stopping service between Cardiff and Swansea) the others being a tremendous success.
Low-use of Swanline is presumably due to the low frequency on an existing line with faster services every hour at minimum. Fishguard has a similar low frequency (even fewer services) and I think loadings for the first year were around about what was estimated, rather than being far higher than the estimate in the case of reopenings with better frequency. In the case of Fishguard though, I don't know what assumptions were made by the pepole doing the estimates. They may have expected Fishguard & Goodwick station open from the outset (it actually openned about 8 months into the trial service) and/or the Stena fast ferry to still be running (if I recall correctly its last summer was 2011, just before the Fishguard trains started).


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2015, 12:50:50
Longer trains would only be marginally slower that the current ones (take longer to go over restricted speed locations)
Interesting comment, that might I suppose push the single line occupation, but how much is it negated by the fact a longer train of 158s has less frontal area per unit of horse power?

In a demonstration I was given of a driver advisory system, the effect of the time taken by the longer trains to pass over speed restrictions was much more negative than the quicker acceleration from those restrictions and from stops caused by decreased wind resistance.  But that is an extrapolation from what I saw based on another type of unit with a different type of traction on a line that's probably just about as different as it could be to the Waverley Route ...

As you get to longer trains, though, you also get to the point of other issues such as "are the platforms / loops long enough" and "will people spread out along the train, or all clump towards one end and still grumble even though there are seats in the extreme carriage".  On this latter, it's very interesting to walk through a 125 and see how on certain sectors of certain journeys particular coaches are much quieter, even taking reserved seats skews into effect.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: trainer on November 30, 2015, 19:26:20
Re:CfN's post above, I note a repeat of the complaint that the services on the re-opened line are often full and standing and that a double track would have obviated that. On paper that may well be true, but there is not the rolling stock currently available even if the infrastructure could support it.
I can't see the connection.

I am sorry I have not made myself clear. My point is that for longer/more trains more stock is needed.  Simply doubling the track adds not one carriage to the system.  There is a chronic shortage of stock across the network.  I was intending to say that investment needs to go beyond the cheapest option and needs to look at the whole 'package'.  I agree with everything said about the increase in length and frequency of trains, but where are they?

I only know of one re-opened service that has really not worked (Swanline - stopping service between Cardiff and Swansea) the others being a tremendous success.
Low-use of Swanline is presumably due to the low frequency on an existing line with faster services every hour at minimum.

I believe that the Swanline service was originally much more frequent and was cut back.  My information may be out of date and I stand to be corrected if this is wrong.

Fishguard has a similar low frequency (even fewer services) and I think loadings for the first year were around about what was estimated, rather than being far higher than the estimate in the case of reopenings with better frequency.

My only recent first-hand experience on the Fishguard service was on a recent Saturday when arriving on the 'boat train' were about 20 people and leaving 10. Three boarded at Goodwick towards Carmarthen.  It was a stormy November day in West Wales (sunny in Bristol :D) and probably not at all a good time for a survey.

I sincerely hope that as cascading gets underway with electrification (possibly in my life-time!) many more carriages will be available for the Waverly Route and other lines struggling with capacity issues.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Rhydgaled on December 01, 2015, 12:02:49
Re:CfN's post above, I note a repeat of the complaint that the services on the re-opened line are often full and standing and that a double track would have obviated that. On paper that may well be true, but there is not the rolling stock currently available even if the infrastructure could support it.
I can't see the connection.
I am sorry I have not made myself clear. My point is that for longer/more trains more stock is needed.  Simply doubling the track adds not one carriage to the system.  There is a chronic shortage of stock across the network.
Sorry, it was me that didn't make myself clear. What I meant was I could not see the connection between the lack of double track and the problem of trains being full and standing. As you rightly say, the solution to full and standing trains is more rolling stock, which we don't seem to have at the moment.

I only know of one re-opened service that has really not worked (Swanline - stopping service between Cardiff and Swansea) the others being a tremendous success.
Low-use of Swanline is presumably due to the low frequency on an existing line with faster services every hour at minimum.
I believe that the Swanline service was originally much more frequent and was cut back.  My information may be out of date and I stand to be corrected if this is wrong.
I didn't know that, but I've just had a look at Wikipedia and it says the service was initially hourly but has been cut back, so you could be right.

As you get to longer trains, though, you also get to the point of other issues such as "are the platforms / loops long enough"
I don't know about platforms at intermediate stations, but the terminus has long platforms for steam charters and the loops can presumably accomodate those long trains as well, so that's not a problem in this case.

"will people spread out along the train, or all clump towards one end and still grumble even though there are seats in the extreme carriage".  On this latter, it's very interesting to walk through a 125 and see how on certain sectors of certain journeys particular coaches are much quieter, even taking reserved seats skews into effect.
I tend to think that's that passenger's own fault if the train is gangwayed throughout, but it is one of the reasons I'm strongly opposed to portion working with the new class 800 units (or any other non-gangwayed units). That said, when you don't know if all seats in the extremes of a long train are reserved, you tend to stay in the crowded section not knowing if there is more room further along, especially if you have luggage. Also, there's a big difference between lengthening a ScotRail 2-car 158 to a 4-car formation and running Intercity trains with 8-11 carriages.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2015, 15:14:19
On Swanline ... I had a several opportunities to use it (to / from Llansamlet) earlier this year, but the lack of services at the right time drove me to taxis from Swansea or Neath ... on the one occasion that there was a suitably timed train, passengers on / off were a tiny number even though it was at what I would have guessed to have been a busy time of day.  I do wonder how many more people there are "mile me" driven away from this service by its current less than optimum frequency (but having said that, TransWilts also has that low, less than optimum frequency and is doing OK)

On 800 series units ... There's supposed to be load sensors and monitors so that passengers can be advised to move up the train to even loading.   Agreed a problem if you have two units.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2015, 17:32:25
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-34995657

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Steam trains should return to the Borders Railway next year despite the disruption they caused, according to Scottish Borders Council.
The service was hugely popular when it ran on the new line for six weeks earlier this year.
However it caused delays and disruption to the main commuter service on the route between Edinburgh and Tweedbank.
Rob Dickson, the council's corporate transformation and services director, said it was a "price worth paying".
About 6,200 passengers travelled on 17 sold-out steam journeys in September and October.
It led to claims of disruption to commuter services from regular passengers.
Rail workers also claimed they had to clear up raw sewage discarded from carriages pulled by the steam engine.


Title: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 01, 2016, 16:02:17
We all know how successful the reopening of the Borders Railway has been.

This article caught my eye quoting an extra 22% above what was expected of the line in the first six months.

http://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/2016/06/01/borders-railway-smashes-forecast-passenger-figures

What particularly caught my eye though was the hopelessly inaccurate figures for the individual stations along the route.  In fact, of all the stations listed, Newtongrange is the only one that is even remotely close to the forecast (50,480 recorded against a forecast of 46449).  All of the others are either easily beaten or nowhere near as many as forecast.  The two stations at the end of the route, Tweedbank and Galashiels recorded some 288,000 journeys against a forecast of just 39,500 or so.  Stow exceeded its forecast almost five-fold.  Whereas other stations were less successful, Eskbank at just over half its forecast, Gorebridge just under half, and Shawfair less than a fifth of the predicted numbers with 9,398 actual against a 54,298 forecast.

I reckon Michael Fish could have plucked more accurate numbers out of the sky!  Either that, or RAIL have managed to get the figures muddled up somehow?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: ChrisB on June 01, 2016, 16:06:58
THE CILT have picked this news up also - usually they credit so you can find the source, but nothing this time. I guess it's probably the Scottish Parliament, with all sorts of quotes from MSPs included in their article.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 01, 2016, 16:18:43
As have the BBC as well I've just spotted...


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: TonyK on June 01, 2016, 18:35:51
As a general rule of thumb, rail figures are underestimated, bus figures overestimated.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: grahame on June 01, 2016, 18:53:56
Or per train ... the forecast for Tweedbank was 2 or 3 to arrive on the average train, and 2 or 3 to be on each departure.  The average was actually 25.  For Galashiels, forecast was a total of 1 or 2 people getting on or off each train, but in practise it was 6 or 7 people . As a through station, twice the trains - I expect that the northbound trains would have averaged 6 pick ups and one drop off, and vice versa though as it's not yet  ;D running through to Carlisle.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: grahame on August 27, 2016, 23:14:01
Interesting stopping pattern next Wednesday morning - noting a alternative stop to Newtongrange!

Lighter side stuff? 



Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2016, 08:08:42
From The Border Telegraph (http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/14741385.__14_million_of_improvements_planned_for_Borders_Railway/?)

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CELEBRATIONS to mark the Borders Railway were used by Transport Minister Humza Yousaf to announce a package of measures to improve the service.

Despite the line being hailed a huge success regarding passenger numbers, it has been fraught with failures, cancellations, delays and overcrowding.

As the Transport Minister blew out the first candle at Waverley Station on Friday he unveiled a ScotRal Alliance £14 million improvement plan, which will include the replacement of the unreliable Class 158 diesel trains and work on the unreliable signalling system.

Continues


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: caliwag on September 14, 2016, 11:22:05
Has anyone seen any articles or realistic suggestions that some loco hauled stock should substitute for the inadequate 158s?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: phile on September 14, 2016, 13:03:00
After the Ebbw Vale line re-opened in 2008, the DFT allocated 2 cars (150) to the service.  They are not enough and some 153s have been squeezed to strengthen some trains at Peak times.   It is a typical case of underestimating.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: grahame on September 14, 2016, 14:00:53
I was interested in the original:

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the replacement of the unreliable Class 158 diesel trains

Which is not the same thing as

inadequate 158s

Both Bristol (St Philip's Marsh) and Salisbury depots in our area seem to turn out 158s that are pretty reliable - and I was wondering what the problem is in Scotland.   Naughty comment ... if they're not reliable enough on the borders railway, send a couple to us and we'll get 'em looked after by a local depot and run them up and down on the TransWilts.  Sad to see her go, but  we could sent our 153 up to Tweedbank in return  ;D


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: caliwag on September 14, 2016, 15:34:41
I understand...I've read that as there tends to be some steep sections of track, they overheat and 'cutout'. Don't know how regular this is, nor where I read it. I agree some lines would welcome them though!


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: caliwag on September 14, 2016, 15:43:13
A rather vague article about proposals for the Borders Line

http://www.bordertelegraph.com/news/14741385.__14_million_of_improvements_planned_for_Borders_Railway/?


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - showing just how difficult it is to forecast numbers accurately
Post by: TonyK on September 21, 2016, 10:35:21
I'm glad to see that flooring is to be installed. The sight of sleepers whizzing past underfoot as you walk gingerly across the joists must be disconcerting.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: martyjon on November 29, 2017, 11:05:15
Off to Glasgow tomorrow (30 Nov) and during my stay I intend to travel this line from Edinburgh to Tweedbank and back lunching in a hostelry not too far from the lines terminus..


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2017, 11:07:22
Better food in Galashiels....


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: bobm on November 29, 2017, 11:55:36
Better food in Galashiels....

I'd second that - there is also more to see in Galashiels

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/gala.jpg)

..than Tweedbank

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/tweed.jpg)


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: rogerw on November 29, 2017, 19:13:39
little, if anything, at Tweedbank - especially on a cold winters day. Not even a loo.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: martyjon on November 29, 2017, 21:47:34
Thanks for the advice fellow forum members, I'll drop off at Galashiels one way or other.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: grahame on March 03, 2018, 08:12:20
From The Southern Reporter (https://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/news/feared-borders-railway-extension-bid-blow-need-not-be-end-of-road-1-4699150)

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Fears that a forthcoming report for Transport Scotland will advise against extending the Borders Railway south of Tweedbank have been mitigated by a reassurance that a second opinion is set to be sought in any event.

A transport corridors study by consultant Jacobs UK assessing the viability of extending the 30-mile track by almost 70 miles into England is due to be published later this month, and unconfirmed reports suggest that it will give any such plans the thumbs-down.

However, all hope would not be lost for campaigners calling for the recreation of the old Waverley Route from Edinburgh to Carlisle even in that case as the UK Government plans to have a feasibility study of its own carried out too.

Interesting to note two contrasting TransWilts pieces of work - the Park report of 2000 and the Jacobs report of 2004 (that's the one on which the service for the 2005 FGW / GWR franchise was based).  Both reports are now so old that the numbers and metrics are radially different, and so the conclusions of historic interest as to "how it was at the time" only.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on March 03, 2018, 19:31:18
Isn't it normal in Scotland to decide which answer you want before asking the question? It is in England, although I wouldn't say it works often.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: Timmer on March 03, 2018, 19:48:38
I sighed when I saw the consultants were Jacobs. Memories of 2006 come flooding back.


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: trainbuff on March 03, 2018, 21:49:34
Yes.

Jacobs did a report into the Northern Route (Plymouth to Exeter via Okehampton) for Devon County which was overly pessimistic. Especially compared to the Greengauge 21 report for the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England. You would have thought they were talking about a totally different railway!!!

They are overly cautious


Title: Re: Scottish Borders Railway - rebuilt Waverley Route link to Edinburgh
Post by: TonyK on March 04, 2018, 21:18:44
Yes.

Jacobs did a report into the Northern Route (Plymouth to Exeter via Okehampton) for Devon County which was overly pessimistic. Especially compared to the Greengauge 21 report for the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England. You would have thought they were talking about a totally different railway!!!

They are overly cautious

Which could explain why they got the gig.



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