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Title: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on August 25, 2007, 04:17:43 pm
After what is believed to be a 98 year gap , a separate ticket office has opened on the Looe Valley Line platform at Liskeard railway station. The ticket office is open Mondays to Fridays until mid September and is run by the non-profit Looe Valley Railway Company , the trading arm of the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership (link below.)
http://www.carfreedaysout.com/shop.pdf


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on October 31, 2007, 01:32:35 pm
The link below (31/10/07) reports on a new scheme to set up a park & ride service on the Looe branch using the freight-only spur at Moorswater, next to the A38. This sounds like a promising initiative which could further increase usage on the Looe branch.

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144143&command=displayContent&sourceNode=144131&contentPK=18823600&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Conner on October 31, 2007, 02:46:23 pm
Where is the train going to come from though? The St.Ives park and ride requires 2x150's in the summer so I imagine this would have a similar demand.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on October 31, 2007, 03:19:22 pm
Looe is not quite the tourist magnet that St Ives is, so it probably wouldn't need 2x150s. 1x150 + 1x153 would probably be enough.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on October 31, 2007, 04:48:24 pm
And thats another carriage taken away from somewhere else, such as the Paignton branch that during summer if crying out for more carriages ;)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on October 31, 2007, 05:29:35 pm
Looe is not quite the tourist magnet that St Ives is, so it probably wouldn't need 2x150s. 1x150 + 1x153 would probably be enough.

Coupled units are not allowed on the Looe branch, the only exception being a 150 as the coupling between the two cars is semi-permenent, so they could only ever use a 150 or a single 153! (158's aren't allowed down there either)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on October 31, 2007, 09:10:57 pm
So what is the best solution? Would one 150 be enough?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: oooooo on October 31, 2007, 10:12:01 pm
The platform at Looe can also only accommodate a two car unit. Would also imagine services would still need to run via Liskeard to provide mainline connections so any service wouldnt even be able to be hourly.

This scheme has been talked about in the past, but would imagine its now more likely to happen than ever as the cement trains for LaFarge at Moorswater appear to of ceased.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on October 31, 2007, 11:11:35 pm
The platform at Looe can also only accommodate a two car unit. Would also imagine services would still need to run via Liskeard to provide mainline connections so any service wouldnt even be able to be hourly.

This scheme has been talked about in the past, but would imagine its now more likely to happen than ever as the cement trains for LaFarge at Moorswater appear to of ceased.
All of the intermediate stations can only just about fit a class 150 in the platform! At Sandplace the front and rear crew doors are off the platform.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on November 01, 2007, 06:33:31 pm
The following link is to another article on the same subject. From this it emerges that the Park & Ride scheme based at Moorswater would be summer-only and targeted not only at visitors to Looe but also to Liskeard.

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144143&command=displayContent&sourceNode=144131&contentPK=18838851&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on November 07, 2007, 10:27:21 am
Quote from Insider (link below) :
http://indefenceoffirstgreatwestern.blogspot.com/2007/10/im-back.html

"I've been trying to get a word with Julian Crow about this park and ride idea, although I haven't been able to get hold of him lately.

I do know, however, that it is something that people have been asking for and it is likely to be very useful as we are trying to promote usage on the Looe line. I'll try and bring you more details when I have them."


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: oooooo on November 29, 2007, 11:15:54 am
After a gap of over 6 months cement trains resumed to Moorswater yesterday, may hinder any park and ride scheme....


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on December 13, 2007, 04:22:41 pm
I noticed that the Looe is cancelled this afternoon due to traincrew unavailability! Good old Swindon!!!!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: smokey on December 29, 2007, 03:36:59 pm


This scheme has been talked about in the past, but would imagine its now more likely to happen than ever as the cement trains for LaFarge at Moorswater appear to of ceased.
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Me thinks LaFarge are playing trains again, after upgraging moorswater.
If trains aren't running who polished the Rails at Moorswater?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Btline on December 29, 2007, 04:20:37 pm
Wouldn't this scheme threaten the service from Liskard to Looe. People may just drive to the P&Ride car park and forget about the rail connexion.

What would happen to Combe junction?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on December 30, 2007, 10:30:52 pm
Wouldn't this scheme threaten the service from Liskard to Looe. People may just drive to the P&Ride car park and forget about the rail connexion.

What would happen to Combe junction?
It may inconvinience the two locals that use the line! They're called Sue and Steve!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on December 31, 2007, 09:58:00 am
Are the trains timetabled to suit them by any chance?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Btline on December 31, 2007, 02:31:33 pm
Wouldn't this scheme threaten the service from Liskard to Looe. People may just drive to the P&Ride car park and forget about the rail connexion.

What would happen to Combe junction?
It may inconvinience the two locals that use the line! They're called Sue and Steve!


What I really meant was that surely less trains would operate from Liskard, therefore making it harder for people who come by rail to the branch.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on December 31, 2007, 05:27:44 pm
It should be marketed as a park & ride to both Liskeard & Looe, really, I suppose.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: smokey on January 01, 2008, 04:25:30 pm
Me thinks any Park and Ride down in Moorswater area is going to cost Big Bucks.
Two platforms would be the answer so during the Summer months TWO trains could operate the Liskeard Looe service passing at moorswater.  Freight traffic can still operate.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 11, 2008, 10:58:31 am
From the FGW website :

Train services between Liskeard and Looe are being disrupted due to a train fault. Short notice cancellations can be expected.

Road replacement transport will be in operation. Full service is planned to be reinstated from 11:50 onwards.



Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: RichardB on January 11, 2008, 08:48:58 pm
There is a good deal of local enthusiasm for a park and ride at Moorswater but, as earlier posters have pointed out, there isn't a nice, easy straightforward scheme.

Firstly, freight would probably need to end (possibly not too much of an issue because, at a guess, it might be able to go elsewhere), then you need to fund a new platform and car park, be able to fund sufficient rolling stock to make a park and ride worthwhile (with platform extension at Looe as well) and finally work out how you are going to make connections between the main line and Looe.

On top of this, as mentioned above, you have the issue of coupled stock (apart from Cl150s) not being allowed between Coombe Jn and Liskeard.

Last Summer, having a Cl150 instead of a Cl153 largely coped with peak Summer demand and despite the terrible weather, the peak Summer four week period (mid July - mid August) was the busiest in the ten yers I have figures for.

We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left.  That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created.  Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years.

Making Moorswater work might mean running a Summer Liskeard - Moorswater shuttle, with through passengers changing at Moorswater for the Moorswater - Looe service.  I reckon you could run a half-hourly service between Moorswater and Looe and you could pretty much use anything on it if you lengthened the platform at Looe (by anything, I mean four coach DMU/Sprinter or even at a real pinch loco-hauled).

As you can see, it is all very knotty and expensive.  Would the break in through service be acceptable? I'm not at all sure.   That's almost certainly why BR didn't follow their Lelant Saltings success with Moorswater.

Richard Burningham
Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership



 




Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Jim on January 11, 2008, 09:08:39 pm

We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left.  That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created.  Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years.

Of which I visited at least once...


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on January 11, 2008, 09:17:05 pm
There is a good deal of local enthusiasm for a park and ride at Moorswater but, as earlier posters have pointed out, there isn't a nice, easy straightforward scheme.

Firstly, freight would probably need to end (possibly not too much of an issue because, at a guess, it might be able to go elsewhere), then you need to fund a new platform and car park, be able to fund sufficient rolling stock to make a park and ride worthwhile (with platform extension at Looe as well) and finally work out how you are going to make connections between the main line and Looe.

On top of this, as mentioned above, you have the issue of coupled stock (apart from Cl150s) not being allowed between Coombe Jn and Liskeard.

Last Summer, having a Cl150 instead of a Cl153 largely coped with peak Summer demand and despite the terrible weather, the peak Summer four week period (mid July - mid August) was the busiest in the ten yers I have figures for.

We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left.  That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created.  Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years.

Making Moorswater work might mean running a Summer Liskeard - Moorswater shuttle, with through passengers changing at Moorswater for the Moorswater - Looe service.  I reckon you could run a half-hourly service between Moorswater and Looe and you could pretty much use anything on it if you lengthened the platform at Looe (by anything, I mean four coach DMU/Sprinter or even at a real pinch loco-hauled).

As you can see, it is all very knotty and expensive.  Would the break in through service be acceptable? I'm not at all sure.   That's almost certainly why BR didn't follow their Lelant Saltings success with Moorswater.

Richard Burningham
Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership



 



Parry People mover comes to mind for the Liskeard shuttle! Although I do think you are right about expanding Liskeard instead, the timetable for Looe last summer was quite useful with plenty of connections.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Jim on January 11, 2008, 09:20:04 pm
There is a good deal of local enthusiasm for a park and ride at Moorswater but, as earlier posters have pointed out, there isn't a nice, easy straightforward scheme.

Firstly, freight would probably need to end (possibly not too much of an issue because, at a guess, it might be able to go elsewhere), then you need to fund a new platform and car park, be able to fund sufficient rolling stock to make a park and ride worthwhile (with platform extension at Looe as well) and finally work out how you are going to make connections between the main line and Looe.

On top of this, as mentioned above, you have the issue of coupled stock (apart from Cl150s) not being allowed between Coombe Jn and Liskeard.

Last Summer, having a Cl150 instead of a Cl153 largely coped with peak Summer demand and despite the terrible weather, the peak Summer four week period (mid July - mid August) was the busiest in the ten yers I have figures for.

We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left.  That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created.  Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years.

Making Moorswater work might mean running a Summer Liskeard - Moorswater shuttle, with through passengers changing at Moorswater for the Moorswater - Looe service.  I reckon you could run a half-hourly service between Moorswater and Looe and you could pretty much use anything on it if you lengthened the platform at Looe (by anything, I mean four coach DMU/Sprinter or even at a real pinch loco-hauled).

As you can see, it is all very knotty and expensive.  Would the break in through service be acceptable? I'm not at all sure.   That's almost certainly why BR didn't follow their Lelant Saltings success with Moorswater.

Richard Burningham
Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership



 



Parry People mover comes to mind for the Liskeard shuttle! Although I do think you are right about expanding Liskeard instead, the timetable for Looe last summer was quite useful with plenty of connections.

Was there not a gap of about 2hours on the Saturday though?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on January 11, 2008, 09:22:13 pm
In the winter timetable there are a few 1 1/2 - 2 hour gaps!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Jim on January 11, 2008, 09:23:00 pm
In the winter timetable there are a few 1 1/2 - 2 hour gaps!
Was it not the same in the summer then?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on January 11, 2008, 09:26:39 pm
In the winter timetable there are a few 1 1/2 - 2 hour gaps!
Was it not the same in the summer then?
No, there were about 5 "dated trains" that ran from June-September.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: oooooo on January 11, 2008, 09:59:49 pm
I think its best to keep it as it is but market it much better. The number of times last summer a group of four people were on the train and when told 'thats ^6 please' gave me ^24... 'No, its ^6 for the four of you', then came the utter amazement. Group save four is ^6 return Liskeard to Looe but to me it always seemed people were expecting to pay more, which means two things. 1) It could be more expensive :> and 2) its not marketed correctly. Where does it say all over Liskeard and the surrounding area that you can park free and take four people to Looe for ^6?? It doesnt!

On three return trips today we carried a total of ten passengers, off peak loadings are dire, as are what should be the 'peak' early morning trains. The commuter/student flow to/from Plymouth has virtually disapeared, shame, probably down to 18 months of a shambolic service.



Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: RichardB on January 11, 2008, 10:51:23 pm
I think its best to keep it as it is but market it much better. The number of times last summer a group of four people were on the train and when told 'thats ^6 please' gave me ^24... 'No, its ^6 for the four of you', then came the utter amazement. Group save four is ^6 return Liskeard to Looe but to me it always seemed people were expecting to pay more, which means two things. 1) It could be more expensive :> and 2) its not marketed correctly. Where does it say all over Liskeard and the surrounding area that you can park free and take four people to Looe for ^6?? It doesnt!

On three return trips today we carried a total of ten passengers, off peak loadings are dire, as are what should be the 'peak' early morning trains. The commuter/student flow to/from Plymouth has virtually disapeared, shame, probably down to 18 months of a shambolic service.




Thanks oooo - the Looe fares have been a bugbear of mine for sometime as (and you won't catch me saying this too often) they are too cheap, especially for groups of three and upwards.  I was in our office at Looe station one morning last Summer when someone came in and asked for six adults, three children day return to Liskeard.  With GroupSave, that is just ^13.00 - cue the same utter amazement as you see. 

You can never do enough marketing, but we do do a line guide (new edition out in mid February) and, once the Summer timetable begins, timetable leaflets, a leaflet promoting park and ride from Liskeard and a Days Out from Looe and Liskeard leaflet, all widely distributed througout South East Cornwall and further afield (especially the park & ride leaflet and line guide.)  All of these mention the GroupSave fare and how cheap it is - to be honest, I think people who see the leaflets just can't believe it.

Today was of course a terrible day weather-wise and this morning's cancellation of the service did not help.  Deep Winter has always been pretty quiet on the line.

We are going to launch a Looe - Plymouth Carnet ticket in the next few weeks to see if we can get some more regular commuters.   There will be a free trial too.   The commuting connections between Looe and Plymouth are pretty good, especially in the morning.  It will be interesting to see what happens.


Richard Burningham
Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership




Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: oooooo on January 11, 2008, 11:32:45 pm
We are going to launch a Looe - Plymouth Carnet ticket in the next few weeks to see if we can get some more regular commuters.   There will be a free trial too.   The commuting connections between Looe and Plymouth are pretty good, especially in the morning.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

The return connections are fairly good aswell with the 15:57, 17:25, 18:40 from Plymouth both having minimal connection time at Liskeard. The problem with this is the last two of these are from Paddington and therefore rarely punctual. Most regulars who could get the 17:25 ex Plymouth get the 17:06 Liskeard terminator to guarantee the connection which gives quite a long overall journey time., especially when the 18:0x from LSK to LOO goes into Coombe platform aswell. This is a major bug of mine, why on earth does it go in there? It slows a peak trip down and at this time of year it is pitch black as there is no station lighting. A few years back services werent even allowed to call on request at SKN, CAU, SDP as they had no lighting. So why on earth do we go into COE at gone 18:00 in the pitch dark to change ends?? Ive never understood these timetable planning people.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: smokey on January 12, 2008, 01:26:59 pm
Three Points,
First, All Liskeard-Looe workings should go into Coombe for the Train Crew to change ends AND whilst that happens the Junction points should be operated from Liskeard Box. think how much time that would save EACH trip.

Second, When building a Park and Ride at Moorswater, build a platforms with two faces and service from Liskeard to Looe can pass service from Looe to Liskeard in Moorswater.

Third, The Line to the Cemet works can still go thourgh Moorswater Platform, No need to Finish Freight so you can build a platform. Freight can go in and out during the Evenings, Nights or Early mornings.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 12, 2008, 03:00:46 pm
We are going to launch a Looe - Plymouth Carnet ticket in the next few weeks to see if we can get some more regular commuters.   There will be a free trial too.   The commuting connections between Looe and Plymouth are pretty good, especially in the morning.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

Interesting that you hold that view.

I remember going to a meeting in Trowbridge (07/11/2006) , where the guest speaker was Andrew Seedhouse of the Government Office Of The South West. I asked him about the following commitment contained in the Franchise Agreement :

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developing and promoting an interurban network for Cornwall to be known as "Network Kernow"


One of my questions was whether Looe-Plymouth commuter traffic would be encouraged as part of this. His reply was :

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Why bother? Surely it would be easier to drive and go via the Torpoint Ferry?

It is heartening that you take a more positive view, and I wish you success with the carnet scheme.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on January 12, 2008, 03:15:22 pm
typical Government person response! Got their head so far up their arse that they can't see that not everybody has a car!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on March 10, 2008, 07:05:52 am
From the FGW website :

Line problem between Liskeard and Looe.

Train services between Liskeard and Looe are being disrupted due to flooding.Short notice cancellations can be expected.

The line between Liskeard and Looe will remain closed until further notice.

Replacement road transport will be operating.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Conner on March 10, 2008, 07:53:33 am
I know why!  :D
The weather is absolutely terrible.
Listening to the travel report on the radio its going on for about 5 minutes.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: oooooo on March 10, 2008, 10:55:34 am
Its actually a landslip caused by heavy rain....


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on March 28, 2008, 09:56:40 am
FGW link.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2289


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on May 19, 2008, 08:12:51 am
Report on the renaming of Coombe & St Keyne stations, including a new sign in the old brown and cream style at Coombe (link below.)
http://thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=133464&command=displayContent&sourceNode=133158&contentPK=20657202&folderPk=78031&pNodeId=133174


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on June 22, 2008, 05:00:41 pm
The following cancellations have been reported, reason given is a train fault :

15:17 Liskeard to Looe due 15:44

15:47 Looe to Liskeard due 16:13

16:26 Liskeard to Looe due 16:53

17:05 Looe to Liskeard due 17:31


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: oooooo on June 22, 2008, 06:57:31 pm
AWS fault on 153368 went locked out of use on rear of 16:38 ex Liskeard to Exeter for attention.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 05, 2008, 09:59:41 pm
"The weekday summer service on the Liskeard to Looe line will now run all year round.  First Great Western, which runs the service, said the change followed protests from local campaigners.  Twelve trains a day will continue to run on weekdays but there will still be reductions at weekends."

"Julian Crow, First Great Western's general manager for the West of England, said: "The move follows lobbying from the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership's Looe Valley Line Forum, which works to promote the line."

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7598460.stm
and http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Train-timetable-remain/article-307780-detail/article.html


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on October 05, 2008, 12:28:06 am
From Monday 3 until 1600 on Friday 7 November 2008 buses will be replacing trains between Liskeard and Looe (link below.)
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=3016


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on October 22, 2008, 06:14:24 pm
From the FGW website :

17:58 Liskeard to Looe due 18:28

This train has been cancelled.This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable.

18:33 Looe to Liskeard due 19:01

This train has been cancelled.This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on October 23, 2008, 10:40:10 pm
Thats a laugh, "evening peak" on the Looe! i'll bet at least two passengers, one sheep and three dogs were inconvenienced!  ;)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on October 23, 2008, 10:49:44 pm
It connects out of the 1725 service from Plymouth (which I believe RichardB and the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership are encouraging Looe commuters to use) so it will do for me  ;D

Any idea what went wrong, vacman?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on October 25, 2008, 02:32:43 pm
Not sure of the circumstances behind that one?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 16, 2009, 09:17:09 am
Unit appears to have broken down this morning, with "train fault" cited on the FGW website.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: slippy on January 16, 2009, 12:01:22 pm
153380 duff, went empty to Plymouth. 153373 sent empty to Liskeard from Plymouth to resume the Looe service. 153373 was booked to work the 12:55 PLY to GSL......


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2011, 10:00:54 pm
From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374982/Britains-best-rail-journey-One-mans-year-30-000-mile-quest.html):

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Slow train to HEAVEN: One man's two-year, 30,000-mile quest to find Britain's most enchanting rail journeys

The ancient signal clatters down and there^s a friendly wave from the guard. It^s time to climb aboard the little branch-line train, pottering along an idyllic Cornish valley to a perfect seaside fishing village.
Here, through the train window, England^s green and pleasant land can be viewed in all her springtime finery. The morning sun is firing up the cherry blossom after the harshest of winters. The sea on the horizon is bathed in the brilliant azure light that can only mean summer is on its way.
Aboard the freshly painted carriages, with newly washed windows sparkling in the sun, the tickets are inexpensive and the staff courteous. In the station buffet, a jolly lady serves freshly cooked breakfast.
^Would you like me to stop the train for you at the next halt, sir?^ asks the guard.
Surely this must be some nostalgic fantasy. Maybe a Thomas the Tank Engine theme park? Or perhaps a jaded commuter^s Monday morning dream? Shhh! I^m going to let you into a secret. This lovely, little-known railway at the extreme fringe of Britain is as much part of the national rail network as the overcrowded and delayed trains that we have all come to hate.
Rip-off fares, unexplained delays, broken toilets, irritating announcements and indigestible catering on our national rail system have all become part of the lexicon of modern British life.
But not everywhere. I came across the Liskeard-Looe line ^ and many other secret delights of our often-maligned rail system ^ during a 30,000-mile odyssey around Britain to find the best rail journeys in the land, as the 50th anniversary of the infamous Beeching Report approaches.
There are few love affairs more intense than that of the British with their railways. As a nation we invented the passenger train, and pride in the great heroes of the Railway Age ^ Stephenson, Trevithick, Brunel ^ runs through our national DNA.
Yet somehow, it always seems to go wrong. No more so than back in 1963 when a plump, balding physicist with an authoritarian moustache and an obsession with the bottom line took an axe to a third of Britain^s rail network.
Richard Beeching had been recruited from the chemicals firm ICI to produce his infamous report, The Reshaping Of British Railways, and his proposals were draconian.
Most ^stopping^ trains ^ those that made slow progress through numerous small stations ^ would be discontinued. Some 2,350 stations would be shut, along with 5,000 miles of track. No area would be spared. Almost all of Devon, Lincolnshire, Cumbria, Wales and the Highlands of Scotland would be robbed entirely of their passenger train services.
The arguments about Beeching still rage on half a century later. Did he deploy his brilliant scientific background to drag an inefficient nationalised industry out of the steam age and into the modern era? Or was he, as the Daily Mail columnist Quentin Letts claimed in a recent book, a ^foolish slasher-and-burner^, who dumped our railway heritage into the bin, like cold leftovers? Either way, the wounds are still raw.
Fortunately for most of us, the Evil Doctor^s brutality did not always prevail, and like the villagers of Titfield in the famous Ealing comedy The Titfield Thunderbolt, communities across the land rose up, fought back and frequently won.
Branches such as the Liskeard to Looe line won a last-minute reprieve. Today many of the loveliest railway journeys across the most scenic and historic landscapes of Britain are still with us, to be enjoyed for the price of an often inexpensive day return.
...
Perhaps, though, we should not be over-sentimental, given the many frustrations facing modern-day rail travellers.
The train company that operates the delightful branch lines of Devon and Cornwall is the very same one that runs what are officially the most overcrowded trains in Britain.
I squeezed onto the notorious 07.42 from Reading to London Paddington, which regularly carries 300 passengers more than it is designed for. As one commuter observed: ^There are regulations for transporting sheep and cattle with enough room ^ why not for us?^
In my travels around the network, I encountered other annoyances. Train company websites can be so complex that you need a degree in computer science to get the cheapest fares. I^ve witnessed heartless ticket collectors who mug old ladies with hefty penalty fares when they have left their railcards at home.
I have been dumped with heavy luggage in the middle of nowhere to continue my railway journey by bus because of ^over-running engineering works^.
And why is it that the buffet car still always seems to close before trains heading north from London have reached Watford?
But none of this should be allowed to dim the joy of slow trains as an unrivalled means of getting to the heart of our beautiful land. As the days become longer and the sun gets higher, I^ll be back aboard those little carriages, rumbling through spectacular mountains and pretty seaside villages, through gritty industrial landscapes and gently rolling hills, where there are always new pleasures to be discovered through the train window.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bignosemac on April 08, 2011, 10:15:43 pm
A nice article/review rather spoiled by the author's pandering to what he thinks the Daily Mail readership will want to read about the state of Britain's railways.

Oh, and very surprising to see a list of 'enchanting rail journeys' that doesn't include the West Highland Line.  :D


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2011, 10:20:41 pm
I did warn our readers that it was a Daily Mail article ...  ::) :o ;D


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 09, 2011, 03:29:09 am
Anyone would think that Mr Williams had another book to peddle or something... ;)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on April 10, 2011, 10:55:28 am
A good article, however I feel looking at the definition of mugging might be useful for the author.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 10, 2011, 09:05:16 pm
Signal......what signal..............there are none on the Looe branch except Distant, Stop and Level Crossing signs ::)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 10, 2011, 10:44:44 pm
i always thought there was a set for between coombe junction and liskeard?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 11, 2011, 12:29:29 pm
I think I know which signal he is referring to it's on one of the main platforms and you walk underneath it to get to the looe platform


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Tim on April 11, 2011, 03:20:54 pm
i always thought there was a set for between coombe junction and liskeard?

There is a "guard-worked" set of points opertaed at a ground frame and a cabinet containing signalling eqipment (or maybe just a token) at the junction, but IIRC no signal.  There is a traditional signal box at Liskard on the main line though and as Relex109 says when you walk from the London bound mainline platform to teh branch platform you walk under an old signal for mainlien trains. 


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 11, 2011, 05:59:37 pm
I think I know which signal he is referring to it's on one of the main platforms and you walk underneath it to get to the looe platform

Yes - isn't it the signal we have discussed previously, in another topic - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=4143.msg34791#msg34791


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 12, 2011, 01:32:29 pm
Is this the one?
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/relex109/5027970288/)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5027970288_d0ccac0303.jpg)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: RichardB on April 12, 2011, 01:38:01 pm
Thanks for this, Chris.  A nice bit of publicity in the Daily Mail, well timed too.

Hope Michael's new book does well.  Of the FGW branches, as well as the Looe line, it also includes the Tarka Line to Barnstaple.

Bit of poetic licence re the signal........


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 11, 2012, 09:31:05 pm
From the Plymouth Herald (http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Coastal-path-train-line-collaboration-launched/story-16052074-detail/story.html):

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Coastal path and train line collaboration launched

A new scheme encouraging people to walk along the South West Coast Path and use a local train line will launch on Monday.

The large scale promotion, a collaboration between the South West Coast Path team, Looe Town Council and the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership, encourages people to take the train to Looe and walk the South West Coast Path from Looe to Polperro.

Included in the promotion are 35,000 leaflets, station posters, a new map board at Looe station, more map boards in the town and improved signage of the South West Coast Path through Looe.

John Slater, from the South West Coast Path team, said: "This is one of a number of a number of great opportunities around the coast to encourage walkers to explore the South West Coast path using the local train service."

Funding for the project has come from the Rural Development Programme for England and the Designated Community Rail Development Fund, backed by the Department for Transport, Network Rail and the Association of Community Rail Partnerships.

The new map board at Looe train station will be unveiled on Monday morning.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 16, 2012, 10:31:55 pm
From the Western Morning News (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/board-rail-campaign-spells-walking-options/story-16097014-detail/story.html):

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All a-board... rail campaign spells out walking options

A new campaign to encourage people to board the train down a scenic Cornish valley to the South West Coast Path has been launched.

The Looe Valley line is being promoted by the South West Coast Path team, Looe Town Council and the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership. Some 35,000 leaflets are being distributed through tourist information centres and First Great Western stations as far afield as London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads.

(http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275776/Article/images/16097014/3783445.png)
From left: John Slater from the South West Coast Path team, Rebecca Catterall of the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership and Councillor Edwina Hannaford pictured with the new map board

Map boards have been installed at Looe station and in the town, along with improved signing of the coast path.

Cornwall Councillor Edwina Hannaford, who represents Looe West and Lansallos, said: "The South West Coast Path and the Looe Valley line are two of our area's unique selling points. Linking them both is a winning combination."

"This is a great project and we are delighted to have worked with the South West Coast Path team and Looe Town Council to make it happen," added Rebecca Catterall, from the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership. It's a real win-win which we are sure will bring many more visitors to Looe using the scenic Looe Valley line."


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 17, 2012, 01:05:50 pm
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19971316):

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Storms and high tides spark South West flooding

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63537000/jpg/_63537351_63535083.jpg)
Businesses in Looe suffered from tidal flooding

Some coastal areas of Cornwall and Devon have been affected by flooding after high tides and stormy weather.

Incidents reported included tidal flooding in Looe and Mevagissey in Cornwall. Other incidents included flooded roads and a fallen tree.

The Met Office issued a yellow "be aware" warning of rain and wind from midnight until 06:00 BST for parts of Devon, Cornwall and Somerset. The Environment Agency has numerous flood warnings in place.

The Environment Agency said strong westerly winds, combined with some of the highest tides of the year, could lead to high sea levels and spray coming over sea walls.

Low-lying coastal roads, farmland and isolated houses could be vulnerable to flooding, but the agency has also warned of the possibility of more significant problems.

Incidents reported in Cornwall included:
- Widespread tidal flooding in Looe, which saw a Spar shop, two restaurants, a fish market and some roads affected. The water later receded
- The Ship Inn in Mevagissey suffering about 4 ins (10cm) of flooding. Some other village businesses also confirmed flooding, but the water later receded
- The village bridge in Tresillian, near Truro, flooding
- Flooding and surface water over part of Causeway Road in Hayle as a result of high tide and storm surge
- A tree falling at Praze-an-Beeble, near Camborne
- The cancellation of the 08:30 BST Scillonian ferry service between Penzance and the Isles of Scilly because of adverse weather
- Trains suspended between Liskeard and Looe due to flooding. First Great Western is to use road transport instead

Looe Harbourmaster Geoff Penhaligon said that, in some parts of West Looe, water was "all over the place". He said: "A couple of restaurants in West Looe, it was quite high there. It was quite deep at the back of the fish market. There were also a couple of restaurants affected, with some beer barrels floating about."

In Devon, high tides in Bideford flooded part of the Clarence Wharf car park, and strong winds and tides caused high sea levels along Paignton's seafront. Exmouth's Esplanade was closed due to flooding between St Andrews Road and Carlton Hill.

Environment Agency teams have been checking flood defences and closing tidal gates ahead of the high tides, and it has warned people to be careful driving or walking along the coast over the next few days. People should be particularly careful on exposed areas, where there is a risk of being swept away by waves or being hit by debris thrown up by waves, the agency added.

Last week, heavy rain caused severe flooding in the north Devon coastal village of Clovelly - which villagers claimed was the worst they had experienced in 50 years.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 02, 2012, 12:49:00 am
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-20565444):

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Cracks on Looe landslip road assessed by engineers

Cracks have appeared on one of two roads affected by landslips in Cornwall.

The landslips in Looe, believed to have been caused by days of heavy rain, blocked the A387 at Sandplace Road and the B3253 at St Martin's Hill. Traffic light control at St Martin's Hill - the main route from Looe to Plymouth - is allowing single-file traffic through. The cracks have appeared on the B3253 near the landslip.

"I was up there yesterday and you can see the cracks in the road, so it's single file traffic and yes, it's difficult," Looe Harbour Master Jeff Penhaligon, told BBC News.

Rob Andrew, chair of the multi-agency flood recovery group, said with more rain forecast for Sunday and Monday, work was under way to prevent more even more damage. "The cracks are being sealed and sandbags put over them to stop rain the water getting in and causing further problems," he said.

Cornwall Council has warned the temporary repairs which are being carried out could take several days to complete. It said engineers were currently assessing the damage and when these investigations had been completed, work would begin to undertake permanent repairs and stabilise the roads.

This would be "carefully planned" to maintain local access and public transport, it added.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on December 21, 2012, 04:09:59 pm
Liskeard to Looe

Due to flooding, Train Services on this route are suspended for the remainder of today and are likely to remain suspended until December 27th at the earliest. Rail Replacement Coaches are in operation on this route.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Southern Stag on December 21, 2012, 04:13:43 pm
Not that much of a surprise. The line has been taking a hammering every time it's rained heavily but it's usually only been closed for a day or two.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 31, 2012, 10:33:44 pm
From First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Line problem: between Liskeard and Looe.
Owing to flooding between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 09:55 01/01.
The train service is expected to commence on Tuesday 1st January 2013 with the 09:58 Liskeard to Looe and return working 10:32 Looe to Liskeard.
Replacement Road transport will be in operation until the end of service on Monday 31st December 2013.
Message Received: 31/12/2012 21:34

I think they mean Monday 31st December 2012 - but good news, anyway!  :)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 01, 2013, 02:52:11 pm
Problems continue, though - from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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14:28 Liskeard to Looe due 14:56
This train will be cancelled. This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable.
Message Received: 01/01/2013 13:28

14:57 Looe to Liskeard due 15:25
This train will be cancelled. This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable.
Message Received: 01/01/2013 13:28


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2014, 05:18:45 pm
From First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Owing to flooding between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 23:59 31/01.
Due to flooding we are unable to run the train service between Liskeard and Looe in both directions. The service will remain suspended for the rest of the day.
Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Liskeard and Looe in both directions until further notice. This may not be to train times.
Last Updated: 31/01/2014 17:11


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2014, 05:15:16 pm
An update, from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Owing to flooding between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 10:30 03/02.
Flooding along the line between Liskeard and Looe means we are unable to run trains in either direction. It is expected that the line will remain closed until 10:30 on Monday 03 February 2014.
Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Liskeard and Looe in both directions until further notice. This may not be to published train times.
Last Updated: 01/02/2014 15:37


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on June 04, 2014, 08:22:53 pm
Had an explore down the Looe Branch at the weekend - seems the weedkilling train needs to pay a visit...

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/looe1.jpg)
St Keyne Wishing Well Halt

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/looe2.jpg)
Causeland


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: AMLAG on June 04, 2014, 09:14:11 pm

Regrettably the lack of weedspraying (so far this year) as found on the Looe Branch is typical; certainly in the South West with the exception of the Exeter/Salisbury line and most Private Railways, of the appallingly negative impression given to passengers (& rail staff) of the state of track maintenance by "Network Rail - maintaining your Railway".
'One year's seed is seven years' weed' is the saying of country folk.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bignosemac on June 04, 2014, 09:33:58 pm
Am I alone in thinking that a green and grassy permanent way on a picturesque branch line actually adds to the scene rather than detracts from it?

Overgrown lineside vegetation, on the other hand, does annoy me. Often blocks the view.

 


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Timmer on June 04, 2014, 09:35:45 pm
Am I alone in thinking that a green and grassy permanent way on a picturesque branch line actually adds to the scene rather than detracts from it?
No you are not alone in thinking that as I was looking at those pictures thinking the very same thing.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 04, 2014, 09:38:04 pm
Am I alone in thinking that a green and grassy permanent way on a picturesque branch line actually adds to the scene rather than detracts from it?
No you are not alone in thinking that as I was looking at those pictures thinking the very same thing.
I'll third that. What's the downside to the weeds? I suppose it's not so good in the autumn when they start getting ground into the track...


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on June 04, 2014, 09:59:45 pm
What's the downside to the weeds?
The ballast is en engineering structure that further spreads the load from the sleepers to the sub-grade (the natural soil) below.  The spreading of the load reduces the stress on the sub-grade to a level that is less than the strength of the soil.  The open texture of the ballast also keeps the sub-grade dry.  With the weeds comes soil that fills the voids and stops the drainage.

With most soils the wet strength of the soil is less than the dry strength. The extent of this varies with the soil (clay soils are particularly bad in this respect). As a result the soil that forms the sub-grade fails and the track starts to subside. If it gets too bad the train will derail. Not so pretty!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bignosemac on June 04, 2014, 10:08:46 pm
Thank-you for that excellent answer ellendune.

Engineering over aesthetic. Makes perfect sense. I'll now reverse my opinion and add to the calls for the Network Rail weedkilling train to make a visit to the Looe Branch. Perhaps they can get a gang to cut back the lineside vegetation while they're at it.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: alexross42 on February 20, 2015, 09:05:04 am
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Trains-replaced-taxis-flooding-affects-route-Looe/story-26057032-detail/story.html (http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Trains-replaced-taxis-flooding-affects-route-Looe/story-26057032-detail/story.html)

Presumably this is from an exceptionally high tide - On the upside, the Liskeard to Looe line is now double track............


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Pb_devon on February 20, 2015, 09:35:22 am
I dispair with the Herald, and registered my displeasure some years ago by cancelling my daily order.  Doesn't seem to have had much effect though!!

Interesting that they are still running trains to Sandplace.  Makes the taxi cost much less, I guess.

PS: high tide is 0629 today and very high (5.8m)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2015, 09:41:01 am
Presumably this is from an exceptionally high tide - On the upside, the Liskeard to Looe line is now double track............

There has been quite a bit about high tides in France - with the predicted tidal coefficients making the national news. This months springs are unusually high (116/118 today at Roscoff) and next month's even higher (118/119).

We seem to have lost our national consciousness of tides - though no doubt the locals still read tide tables. For Looe, for example, it was "115 very high" yesterday, and "116 very high"next month (20th). Those come from the almanac on http://www.tides4fishing.com . I think that coefficient is based on purely astronomical effects, and the tide forecast for the next few days adds the effects of weather (wind, atmospheric pressure) on top.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Palfers on February 20, 2015, 10:51:44 pm
Yes the line can flood well especially at terras bridge (think that's how it's spelt) I've seen the streets in looe that flooded that you could row a boat up them it might be easer than wading up them


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 20, 2015, 11:22:44 pm
Although not entirely on topic connected so will post here - mods may want to move as they see fit.

http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/11808372.Have_you_spotted_today_s__super_tides__in_Cornwall__PICTURES/

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(http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/resources/images/2879226.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=mc2)
While the flood risk is from the high tides expected today and through the weekend comnbining with large storm surf, the flip side of the coin is very low tides revealing parts of Cornwall's coast not often seen. Here are a few shots of the very low tide today.

So what are so-called ^super tides^ which are due from today through to Monday, well this is whet the Met Office says.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-Sd2cDIEAA1rMw.jpg)

(http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/resources/images/3554278.jpg?type=article-full)

A super low tide today at Mylor Yacht Harbour

Tides are governed by the gravitational pull of the moon and, to a lesser extent, the sun. Because the sun and moon go through different alignment, this affects the size of the tides.

When the gravitational pull of the sun and moon combine, we see larger than average tides ^ known as spring tides. When the gravitational pulls offset each other, we get smaller tides known as neap tides. We see two periods of spring and neap tides roughly every month.

However there is a longer cycle at work too, associated with the gravitational pull of the planets in the solar system. This means we can see additional, albeit relatively small, increases and decreases in the size of spring and neap tides over long periods of time.


We are currently at the height of those increases, so the astronomical tide is at an 18-year peak ^ although this is only a few centimetres bigger than a more average spring tide.

What is the role of the weather in sea levels?

It^s important to realise that just because we are expecting big astronomical tides over the next few days, these won^t cause the highest sea levels we^ve seen ^ even in the last few years. That^s because the weather can have a much bigger impact on sea level than the 18-year tidal cycle.

Strong winds can pile up water on coastlines, and low pressure systems can also cause a localised rise in sea level. Typically the difference in water level caused by the weather can be between 20 and 30cm, but it can be much bigger.




On the 5th December 2013, for example, the weather created a storm surge that increased the water level by up to 2 metres. Although an estimated 2,800 properties flooded, more than 800,000 properties were protected from flooding thanks to more than 2,800 kilometres of flood schemes. The Environment Agency also provided 160,000 warnings to homes and businesses to give people vital time to prepare.

This highlights the importance of the Met Office and the Environment Agency working together to look at the combined impact of astronomical tides, wind, low pressure and waves on flood schemes to assess the potential impacts for communities around our coast.

Will we see coastal flooding this weekend?

Given the height of the tides there may be some localised flooding. Weather isn^t playing a large part in water levels over the next few days, although strong winds on Monday are likely to generate some large waves and push up sea levels slightly. This is nothing unusual for winter. You can see more about what weather to expect with the Met Office^s forecasts and severe weather warnings.

The Environment Agency and the Met Office are working together to closely monitor the situation, and the Environment Agency will issue flood alerts and warnings as required.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: chrisr_75 on February 20, 2015, 11:40:01 pm
Exceptionally high tides Saturday morning (21st Feb), 11m tide on the Severn Estuary, roads closed as a precaution in Newgale, Pembrokeshire and at Tintern, Monmothshire:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-31547339 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-31547339)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2015, 11:54:40 pm
French news again - at lunchtime they (F2) had a piece on the "tide of the century", next month. Given the amount of century yet to come, and the scope for sea level rises due to global warming, you may feel that is a little premature.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 21, 2015, 12:21:34 am
French news again - at lunchtime they (F2) had a piece on the "tide of the century", next month. Given the amount of century yet to come, and the scope for sea level rises due to global warming, you may feel that is a little premature.

"Tide of the century" so far? I assume it was meant to mean.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: chrisr_75 on February 21, 2015, 12:37:56 am
French news again - at lunchtime they (F2) had a piece on the "tide of the century", next month. Given the amount of century yet to come, and the scope for sea level rises due to global warming, you may feel that is a little premature.

"Tide of the century" so far? I assume it was meant to mean.

I would imagine it's more likely a 100 year tide, ie an event of a magnitude that is statistically probable to occur once in any given 100 year period


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Palfers on May 09, 2015, 10:24:46 pm
Whilst out for a stroll today I noticed that the line just up from coombe junction towards liskeard has had all the trees cut back to stumps on the banks maybe a few different camera angles to try out if anyone interested just thought ill let you all know!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on May 10, 2015, 10:19:16 am
Oh well that will be another 10 years until is done again (last done in 2003)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Palfers on May 10, 2015, 10:34:52 am
 Well those houses above the bank are close to the edge they must of had some noisy nights or even Sundays when trains don't run through the winter. I wonder if the occupants of the houses were offerd any logs? I know I would!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: alexross42 on June 02, 2015, 02:48:55 pm
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Woman-60s-taken-hospital-car-ends-railway-track/story-26618121-detail/story.html (http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Woman-60s-taken-hospital-car-ends-railway-track/story-26618121-detail/story.html)

Not the first time a car's ended up on the tracks - there are some nasty bends on that road and some nasty weather over the past 24 hours...thankfully all concerned not badly injured.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on June 02, 2015, 02:58:09 pm
And it's a 4x4, no?


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on June 02, 2015, 06:08:18 pm
And it's a 4x4, no?

Suzuki Vitara. Not the greatest 4x4 capabilities.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: chrisr_75 on June 03, 2015, 12:18:15 am
And it's a 4x4, no?

Suzuki Vitara. Not the greatest 4x4 capabilities.

Vitaras, along with most other soft-roaders, are very capable in situations which would stop a conventional 2WD car, of which this is not one - tarmac road; wet, windy & mild weather. Either mechanical/maintenance issues of some sort (cr@p tyres perhaps?), driver running out of talent (the most likely IMHO), or driver health issue, nothing to do with the type of vehicle involved.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: trainer on June 04, 2015, 06:45:34 pm
I notice a reference in the article to Looe's 'main station' in the article.  Are there a lot of suburban stations in the area?  I'm sure the journalist knows the area better than I and would be able to tell me.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on June 04, 2015, 07:08:52 pm
I notice a reference in the article to Looe's 'main station' in the article.  Are there a lot of suburban stations in the area?  I'm sure the journalist knows the area better than I and would be able to tell me.

And the main line to Looe.

Suggests there may be other lines and stations we don't know about.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on June 04, 2015, 07:33:16 pm
I notice a reference in the article to Looe's 'main station' in the article.  Are there a lot of suburban stations in the area?

There's St Keyne Wishing Well Halt ...

And the main line to Looe.

The main line was originally from Moorswater ... Liskeard is very much a branch that remained open when the main line closed.   Very much like the main line north from Plymouth originally ran via Okehampton to Exeter, and Gunnislake was originally the branch.

I don't expect the Looe journalist was thinking of these things when he wrote, but you never know!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Pb_devon on August 08, 2015, 08:23:47 am
Whilst out for a stroll today I noticed that the line just up from coombe junction towards liskeard has had all the trees cut back to stumps on the banks maybe a few different camera angles to try out if anyone interested just thought ill let you all know!

The farmer further up the loop line is a good friend and he was as surprised as anyone that this little stretch had attention! However when I rode the line yesterday branches were hitting the train almost as soon as we left Liskeard.
Good to see healthy loadings both ways, albeit a fine summers day.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Palfers on August 08, 2015, 09:01:13 pm
Whilst out for a stroll today I noticed that the line just up from coombe junction towards liskeard has had all the trees cut back to stumps on the banks maybe a few different camera angles to try out if anyone interested just thought ill let you all know!

The farmer further up the loop line is a good friend and he was as surprised as anyone that this little stretch had attention! However when I rode the line yesterday branches were hitting the train almost as soon as we left Liskeard.
Good to see healthy loadings both ways, albeit a fine summers day.

I bet looe itself was busy! in the winter it can be like a goast town


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: phile on June 14, 2016, 02:42:57 pm
Bustitution announced on Journey Check for first Looe Branch trains tomorrow due to driver shortage.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on June 14, 2016, 04:50:20 pm
I'm guessing Looe is the least used line as always seems to be the first pulled. It's not a great route to go by bus. I took the Go Cornwall service bus back from polperro last week and to say it's tight for buses along the main road is an understatement. St Keyne and Causeland both being off the main road, coombe junction is probably the most accessible station with the station being almost in the industrial eatate


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: phile on June 15, 2016, 08:45:03 pm
Ditto tomorrow.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on June 15, 2016, 08:57:50 pm
At 0605 this morning, no evidence of replacement transport, and the CIS showing on time. I didn't have time to check if there was a train but realtime trains is showing only the 0833 round trip from liskeard was cancelled, and rest on time. The ECS unit ran in at 0429, an hour or so early.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: phile on June 16, 2016, 09:27:54 am
At 0605 this morning, no evidence of replacement transport, and the CIS showing on time. I didn't have time to check if there was a train but realtime trains is showing only the 0833 round trip from liskeard was cancelled, and rest on time. The ECS unit ran in at 0429, an hour or so early.

Position appears to have eased, just one round trip cancelled.    First two round trips cancelled this morning.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on June 16, 2016, 09:44:58 am
Two A2B Truro Transit Style minibuses present this morning with cancelled on the CIS board.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Sam290893 on June 16, 2016, 12:28:53 pm
This always seems to have trains cancelled due to shortage of drivers, and it also gets flooded quite a lot too, hope everyone doesn't mind taking a bus!


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on June 16, 2016, 06:04:35 pm
CIS at liskeard now saying the branch is disrupted due to signalling problems.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 01, 2016, 07:50:34 am
Looe services currently cancelled due to a lightening strike between Liskeard and Coombe junction overnight.

I'm guessing it was about 2am, as my house was shaking as the thunder rumbled! I'm less than 1/2 mile from the branch.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on October 01, 2016, 08:11:15 am
A lightening strike at Largin affecting the single line section on the main line as well.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on October 01, 2016, 08:20:57 am
The Largin hit may have been the one I saw from my bedroom window! I'm up about 2-3am as that's what my body does, even on my days off. I was sat watching the storm out of the window.

Largin is almost straight from the back of my house. Coombe junction to the side, so out of view. My neighbours tree stops me seeing the trains on the main line.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on October 01, 2016, 08:36:10 am
Reading between the lines (pardon the pun) I think the problem with the branch was getting a unit onto it rather than the line itself.  Seems things are improving and a train should be there soon.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 01, 2016, 11:49:23 am
Largin has been, and always will be, subject to signalling failures due to lightning strikes.  In my time as the responsible S&T Engineer we tried several remedies but to no avail.  Its something to do with the soil up there (Largin, for those who don't know it, its located quite high up in the river Fowey valley) :o :D :P

One evening, many years ago now, during a particularly severe lightening storm I was sat in Liskeard signalbox and watched the block instrument needles swinging violently from 'Line Clear' to 'Train On Line' and back again and the block bells ringing like church bells ::) :P


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 02, 2016, 11:13:14 pm
Mrs CfN, staying overnight with her brother in south Devon last night, reported an electric light fitting 'exploding' and their central heating starting up, apparently due to a severe electrical storm overhead.  :o


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 03, 2017, 08:48:07 am
Looe branch is closed today due to flooding. Bus operations In place. Quite how the bus will operate is anyone's guess as the road is closed for several weeks between looe and St Keyne around Sandplace


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on February 03, 2017, 09:19:12 am
Was closed yesterday too.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: marky7890 on February 04, 2017, 11:41:11 pm
The Looe branch beside the estuary is very susceptible to flooding, even when its not stormy, but from spring tides, I have been on the train and the water has been almost up to the rails.

I think the rail replacement buses stop at St Keyne village and Duloe (up the hill from Causeland), due to the lanes being too narrow for buses. Sandplace station is of course next to the main B road.


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: GBM on March 28, 2019, 06:47:36 am
https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/

Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to a fault on this train between Liskeard and Looe all lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:00 28/03.
Additional Information
Replacement Road Transport is being sourced.
Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
Last Updated:28/03/2019 06:35


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2019, 06:52:13 am
Unit failed at Laira.  Itís hoped the train service will resume with the 10:14 from Liskeard. 


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on April 19, 2019, 04:33:05 pm
Took a trip on the Looe Branch this week.  With the 153s now gone the branch is in hands of class 150s all the time.  Whether I just didn't notice it before or it is because there are more wheels on the track; the squeal as the train negotiates the final stretch into Liskeard is deafening! 

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lskloo.jpg)

I didn't realise until I boarded that my service was one of the few that calls at Coombe Junction Halt.   Just as well I didn't get off to take some photographs there - the turn round was very quick. I did wonder if there was a driver at each end, but there wasn't!   Would have been a long wait for the next train or a bit of an uphill walk to Liskeard!

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/cbj.jpg)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on April 19, 2019, 05:26:57 pm
Would have been a long wait for the next train or a bit of an uphill walk to Liskeard!

Or a walk along the flat valley to St Keyne Wishing Well Halt - about a mile and three quarters, which you could have completed before the next train to Looe (that's assuming that you were on your way down when you called at Coombe


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: bobm on April 19, 2019, 06:00:58 pm
Would have been a long wait for the next train or a bit of an uphill walk to Liskeard!

Or a walk along the flat valley to St Keyne Wishing Well Halt - about a mile and three quarters, which you could have completed before the next train to Looe (that's assuming that you were on your way down when you called at Coombe

I have sort of done that in the past

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16859.msg200093#msg200093 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16859.msg200093#msg200093)


Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic)
Post by: Pb_devon on April 19, 2019, 07:09:35 pm
DCRP has obtained some funding for a Looe Valley Line Heritage Centre in the branch station buildings. Full details here https://www.dcrp.org.uk/new-looe-valley-line-heritage-centre-to-be-set-up-at-liskeard-station/
Also a premiere event on 26 April for the stories they have been gathering https://www.dcrp.org.uk/celebrating-the-heritage-of-the-looe-valley-line/
Well done Richard B and team.

Edit :
Oh, just spotted this mornings separate post!



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