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Title: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on November 29, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
I'm repainting the walls here ... you'll find that I've put a quick "broad brush" over most of the site which has been the same old (and standard SMF) livery since we started nearly 3 years ago.    Give me a few days to make a few final adjustments, see what you think - I know it will feel a bit odd for the first 24 hours!


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: matt473 on November 29, 2009, 10:13:14 PM
If I'm honest, I find it a bit too Green at the moment. The blue and greend can be a bit of a strain on me eyes. If I'm the only person to think his then probably I'm fussing over nothing  :P


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on November 29, 2009, 10:26:08 PM
If I'm honest, I find it a bit too Green at the moment. The blue and greend can be a bit of a strain on me eyes. If I'm the only person to think his then probably I'm fussing over nothing  :P

 ... it may be a big too saturated and that's in the blue / green direction. Fiddling a bit  ;)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 29, 2009, 11:45:39 PM
I'm repainting the walls here

Ugh!

Quote from: http://docs.simplemachines.org/index.php?topic=204.0
You should not delete or modify the default theme. As new versions of SMF are released, changes may be made to, for example, some interface in the administration center. Changing the templates and files in the default theme makes it more difficult to upgrade, which is necessary for things to work properly.

Furthermore, because of the way SMF falls back on the default theme, changing it can make it more dangerous or difficult to install, modify, and use other themes. Instead, you make a copy of the default theme, and modify it.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Mookiemoo on November 29, 2009, 11:54:31 PM
It does not look any different except for the bit between the map and the pic at the top and even then it is more blue!


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Mookiemoo on November 29, 2009, 11:55:35 PM
It does not look any different except for the bit between the map and the pic at the top and even then it is more blue!

Scratch that - I hit post and it turned colour - odd

Surely it should have done that when I opened the site in a browser window (have unread topics marked as a favourite)

ugh - no - please



Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2009, 07:16:52 AM
Scratch that - I hit post and it turned colour - odd

Surely it should have done that when I opened the site in a browser window (have unread topics marked as a favourite)


It's the "Style sheet" that's changed - and that's something which browsers cache to avoid having to download the same information with every page, just checking back  occasionally to see if it's been altered.   So the update behaviour is not quite such a surprise to me.

TJ - advise of changing "default" noted; I have altered the default at regular intervals before to change the top theme on the pages on a regular basis, and retain originals if I need them. 

I have a two tins of paint labelled "tweak" and "mellow" that I may be opening later today; we should be more themed / not just 'off the shelf', and we're constrained not to use the colour scheme of local TOC(s) as our site might give a semblence of being official - of course, just like TOCs try to grab all the best trains for their own use, the ygrab the best colour combos ... and whilst there's a Department for Transport to act as the controller of trains, they is no Department for Colour - at least until the start of next April.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Phil on November 30, 2009, 07:46:03 AM
I think the headline box beneath the title (currently reading "Looking forward - what do people want?") should have the FGW disco lines as a background image.

Just a thought.

There's probably copyright/branding reasons why it shouldn't happen, but to my mind it gives an immediate idea for visitors of exactly what region they're in.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Mookiemoo on November 30, 2009, 09:00:42 AM
I'm not a fan of the new Large Print for the Visually Impaired format of the text!


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: TerminalJunkie on November 30, 2009, 11:49:35 AM
If you have Firefox and you'd like the default look-and-feel back, you can do something about it. After all:

Quote from: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS-access
How Style Sheets Benefit Accessibility
[...]
CSS allows users to override author styles. This is very important to users who cannot perceive a page with the author's chosen fonts and color. CSS allows users to view documents with their own preferred fonts, colors, etc. by specifying them in a user style sheet.

First, install Stylish https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108 (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108)

When Firefox has restarted, you should have a small 'S' icon in the status bar - (http://homepages.tesco.net/neilsunderland/stylish.png) - right-click it, then Write new style/Blank style. In the winodw that opens up, paste this code in:

Code:
@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("firstgreatwestern.info") {
a:link {color: #476C8E !important; text-decoration: none; }
a:visited {color: #476C8E !important; text-decoration: none; }
a:hover {color: #cc3333 !important; text-decoration: underline; }
a.nav:hover {color: #cc3333 !important; text-decoration: underline; }
body, td, th , tr {font-size: small !important; font-family: verdana, sans-serif !important; }
body {background-color: #E5E5E8 !important; }
.quote {background-color: #D7DAEC !important; }
.code {font-size: x-small !important; }
.quoteheader, .codeheader {font-size: x-small !important; }
.meaction {color: red !important; }
.windowbg, #preview_body {background-color: #ECEDF3 !important; }
.windowbg2 {background-color: #F6F6F6 !important; }
.windowbg3 {background-color: #E0E1E8 !important; }
.titlebg a:hover {color: #404040 !important; }
.titlebg2 a:hover {color: #404040 !important; text-decoration: underline; }
.catbg3, tr.catbg3 td, .catbg3 a:link, .catbg3 a:visited {color: white !important; }
.catbg a:link, .catbg a:visited , .catbg2 a:link, .catbg2 a:visited {color: white !important; text-decoration: none; }
.catbg a:hover, .catbg2 a:hover, .catbg3 a:hover {color: #e0e0ff !important; }
.smalltext {font-size: x-small !important; font-family: verdana, sans-serif; }
.normaltext {font-size: small !important; }
.error {color: red !important; }
.maintab_first, .maintab_back, .maintab_last, .maintab_active_first, .maintab_active_back, .maintab_active_last {color: white !important; }
.maintab_back, .maintab_active_back {color: white !important; font-size: 9px !important; }
.maintab_back a:hover, .maintab_active_back a:hover {color: #e0e0ff !important; }
.mirrortab_back, .mirrortab_active_back {color: white !important; font-size: 9px !important; }
.mirrortab_back a:hover, .mirrortab_active_back a:hover {color: #e0e0ff !important; }
.titlebg, tr.titlebg th, tr.titlebg td, .titlebg2, tr.titlebg2 th, tr.titlebg2 td {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/titlebg.jpg') #E9F0F6 repeat-x !important; }
.catbg , tr.catbg td , .catbg3 , tr.catbg3 td {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/catbg.jpg') #88A6C0 repeat-x !important; color: #ffffff !important; }
.catbg2 , tr.catbg2 td {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/catbg2.jpg') #A1BFD9 repeat-x !important; color: #ffffff !important; }
.maintab_first {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/maintab_first.gif') left bottom no-repeat !important; }
.maintab_back {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/maintab_back.gif') left bottom repeat-x !important; }
.maintab_last {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/maintab_last.gif') left bottom no-repeat !important; }
.maintab_active_first {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/maintab_active_first.gif') left bottom no-repeat !important; }
.maintab_active_back {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/maintab_active_back.gif') left bottom repeat-x !important; }
.maintab_active_last {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/maintab_active_last.gif') left bottom no-repeat !important; }
.maintab_back a:link , .maintab_back a:visited, .maintab_active_back a:link , .maintab_active_back a:visited {color: white !important; }
.mirrortab_first, .mirrortab_back, .mirrortab_last, .mirrortab_active_first, .mirrortab_active_back, .mirrortab_active_last {color: white !important; }
.mirrortab_first {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/mirrortab_first.gif') no-repeat !important; }
.mirrortab_back {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/mirrortab_back.gif') repeat-x !important; }
.mirrortab_last {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/mirrortab_last.gif') no-repeat !important; }
.mirrortab_active_first {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/mirrortab_active_first.gif') no-repeat !important; }
.mirrortab_active_back {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/mirrortab_active_back.gif') repeat-x !important; }
.mirrortab_active_last {background: url('http://firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/Themes/default/images/mirrortab_active_last.gif') no-repeat !important; }
.mirrortab_back a:link , .mirrortab_back a:visited, .mirrortab_active_back a:link , .mirrortab_active_back a:visited {color: white !important; }
}

With a page on the Coffeeshop open, click 'Preview' and check everything looks OK. If it does, give your style a name and save it.

Before:
(http://homepages.tesco.net/neilsunderland/before.png)
After:
(http://homepages.tesco.net/neilsunderland/after.png)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: plymothian on November 30, 2009, 11:52:33 AM
How about chocolate and cream?


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: devon_metro on November 30, 2009, 02:27:35 PM
I must say, I find the size of font a bit excessive!


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: old original on November 30, 2009, 04:52:29 PM
I must say, I find the size of font a bit excessive!
I agree, can we have a bit of shrinkage please??


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2009, 05:33:13 PM
I have a box labelled "Alice in Wonderland" which contains a bottle marked "drink this".   I also have a busy evening ahead including an appointment with the 17:02 Worcester Foregate Street to Southampton train as it passes.   If I have a chance, I'll have a look and see about having just a small sip of the liquid to see if the font gets a little smaller or a little larger still  ;).

Chocolate and cream does sound attractive ... but I've always been very wary of backward looking.  That's why you would find me resisting a steam train logo if one were suggested - the image needed is to look foward.   

Phil's suggestion of having dynamic lines in the background is, as he suspected, an issue with branding - I've been a little through that loop before, and do not want to pick a potential argument.   We could (potentially) have a band of pictures of trains in the area and iconic symbols such as Tamar bridge, clock at Paddington - but I would be concerned at the amount of real estate on the screen that would consume. We DO have permission to use the Adlestop maps, but I think they would get irritatingly lost into behind the boxes if we tried to use them as a direction pointer and I'm not prepared to use someone else's artwork poorly.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2009, 06:59:08 PM
Phil has a poll running on font size in "Frequent Posters" - so accessible to signed in members who've posted a dozen of so articles - on the font size.   Good / sensible move, Phil - thanks.  So I'll leave the fonts overnight to avoid any muddying.

Poll is at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5791.0


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: IanL on November 30, 2009, 08:28:12 PM
Graham,

I dont know why, but whilst I can see the new paint job/large test on my windows xp machine at home, the Apple Mac/safari at work still retains the old style even after posting and reloading pages.

Ian


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Mookiemoo on November 30, 2009, 08:34:56 PM
Graham,

I dont know why, but whilst I can see the new paint job/large test on my windows xp machine at home, the Apple Mac/safari at work still retains the old style even after posting and reloading pages.

Ian

What are you running?  I'm using Snow Leopard and the latest Safari and have two different issues.

My machine at home gas updated 100%

My laptop I' currently on has updated the colour scheme but not the font size


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Mookiemoo on December 01, 2009, 08:59:43 AM
now its gone all black and broody on firefox on windows


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Phil on December 01, 2009, 09:30:20 AM
now its gone all black and broody on firefox on windows

You may want to check your settings, FA. Looks fine to me ( Firefox 3.5.5 running on Windows 7, also checked w/Google Chrome on the same machine)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: IanL on December 01, 2009, 11:09:09 AM
Graham,

I dont know why, but whilst I can see the new paint job/large test on my windows xp machine at home, the Apple Mac/safari at work still retains the old style even after posting and reloading pages.

Ian


My machine at home gas updated 100%

My laptop I' currently on has updated the colour scheme but not the font size


What are you running?  I'm using Snow Leopard and the latest Safari and have two different issues.

OK, back in the office and it has all changed to the new colours and giant font size, delayed uptake of the style sheets?


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2009, 12:36:27 PM
Style sheets tend to get "cached" - i.e. browsers don't ask for them every time.  A neat trick to force a complete reload on most browsers is to hold the shift key down when you click on refresh.

I'm keeping an eye on the "Font size" vote ... I'm not making any specific comment until it's completed as I don't want to influence anyone who has not yet voted prior to them doing so.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: moonrakerz on December 01, 2009, 02:25:07 PM
I use Opera which has just not shown up any differences, just tried Firefox - immediately went back to Opera! Sorry !

When I am reduced to getting large print books from the library I will let you know  ;D


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: bignosemac on December 02, 2009, 08:15:50 AM
Not keen on the larger font. With my non widescreen monitor I lose part of peoples names.

I've got an inspector_blake, a TerminalJunk, SignalandTelegra and DevonTrains200 amongst others.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on December 02, 2009, 12:11:08 PM
Not keen on the larger font. With my non widescreen monitor I lose part of peoples names.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5791.0

Once Phil's poll (above) closes - this evening - I'll be having a look and reviewing font size.  Good to have reasoned inputs too, Bignosema; that adds weight to your vote (if you have indeed voted for a reduction).


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on December 03, 2009, 09:44:56 AM
Voting has closed .... and there's no absolute majority in any direction though it has to be said that most people are saying that this week's size is too large.

I'm thinking "out of the box" and I'm going to be experimenting with a cunning plan which (however) I need to do in a few quiet minutes which ain't now.  I'll try a couple of ideas out queitly and let you know if they work / provide a solution for almost everyone / during the weekend,


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on December 05, 2009, 09:06:25 AM
I'm still fine-tuning, but I have added a couple of options.

If you like it as it was:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?mystyleset=standard

If you like the newer (and larger font) look:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?mystyleset=current

If you REALLY wanted Chocolate and cream:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?mystyleset=gwr

Once you've selected an option, it will stay with you until you change it again, or for a year if you don't change it.  I may add other combinations later.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: devon_metro on December 05, 2009, 01:34:29 PM
Thanks for that, it's so much nicer to be reading standard sized font!


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 05, 2009, 01:50:31 PM
If you REALLY wanted Chocolate and cream:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?mystyleset=gwr

Once you've selected an option, it will stay with you until you change it again, or for a year if you don't change it.  I may add other combinations later.

Thanks, Graham. I'm currently in Chocolate and Cream. How about a 'dynamic lines' version for Btline...?  ;)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: bignosemac on December 05, 2009, 02:35:23 PM
Chocolate and cream for me. Luvverly ;D


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: Btline on December 05, 2009, 03:31:12 PM
Sorry, Graham - I've switched back to the old! I don't like the new one at all.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on December 05, 2009, 04:05:14 PM
Thanks, Graham. I'm currently in Chocolate and Cream. How about a 'dynamic lines' version for Btline...?  ;)

Chocolate and cream for me. Luvverly ;D

Sorry, Graham - I've switched back to the old! I don't like the new one at all.

Hey ... I'm perfectly happy for everyone to choose what they prefer - that's one of the reasons I've added a choice  ;)

I expect far more long-established members than newcomers to switch to the original - an "old coat" they don't want to throw away - but we've also got this season's new look (help - I have to do a Xmas theme!) for new arrivals.   Best of all worlds - see http://www.wellho.net/mouth/2526_A-reluctance-to-move-from-old-shoes-to-new.html for the techie stuff (it gave me my morning's blog!)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: TerminalJunkie on December 05, 2009, 04:50:02 PM
I'm still fine-tuning, but I have added a couple of options.

Once you've selected an option, it will stay with you until you change it again, or for a year if you don't change it.  I may add other combinations later.

Hmm. I can't help thinking that this overly complicates things - after all, the theme will revert back when the cookie expires, and I would have to reset it whenever I log on at a different computer.

SMF has a built in themes feature; why not just use that?



Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on December 05, 2009, 05:13:05 PM
Hmm. I can't help thinking that this overly complicates things - after all, the theme will revert back when the cookie expires, and I would have to reset it whenever I log on at a different computer.

SMF has a built in themes feature; why not just use that?

You and I should meet up for a pint sometime and go through the techie stuff.  In this case, we would have an interesting discussion concerning your use of the word 'just' as an implicit comparator.  And, yes, I would like to encourage everyone to have a look at the current latest and greatest styles we're using from time to time ... such as once a year  ;D


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: grahame on March 14, 2010, 06:43:03 AM
I have added a "Site Style" link onto the top banner to allow users to switch preferences when they move on to new computers without having to trawl back to this topic.


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: slippy on March 25, 2010, 06:18:08 PM
on the subject of 'paint jobs' but nothing to do with this thread, 57604 is at Brush Loughborough getting a new livery  ;)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 25, 2010, 10:13:49 PM
Would that be FGW blue or are we talking some kind of GWR 175 special...?


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: devon_metro on March 25, 2010, 10:16:04 PM
Would that be FGW blue or are we talking some kind of GWR 175 special...?

Was the last green 57 in need of refurb so I'd guess "powecar blue"


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: slippy on March 25, 2010, 11:48:25 PM
GWR 175 green


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 26, 2010, 02:24:32 AM
Looking forward to seeing that - the '60' that was painted up in GWR livery for the 2000 Old Oak open day looked superb, even if it did explode shortly afterwards. The 57s are handsome locos so I reckon that'll look even better.

Any plans to outshop a rake of sleeper stock in chocolate and cream to match? ;)


Title: Re: New Paint Job
Post by: slippy on June 13, 2010, 01:39:38 AM
57604 Paddington to Fowey????  ;D