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Title: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: anthony215 on December 09, 2009, 08:23:25
According to bbc news   train services are heavily delayed between Cardiff central & Newport due to some people on quadbikes being hit by a train running empty stock to cheltenham at 4am this morning resulting in damage to some of the  track which i have been told are the 2 fast lines.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8403014.stm

rail replacement buses are in operation



Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Brucey on December 09, 2009, 08:30:37
Quote from: FGW
Cardiff Central to Newport (South Wales)

Train services have been disrupted due to a person hit by a train between Cardiff Central and Newport.

Short notice alterations and delays of up to 30 minutes may still occur.

CrossCountry Trains will be accepting First Great Western tickets on reasonable routes.
Plenty of updates to enjoy on the FGW website ;)


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: James Vertigan on December 09, 2009, 09:05:31
Heard about this on BBC Five Live earlier - glad to see it's not another recession/depression related fatality (always a lot at this time of year)... seems to have been some stupid dare, or a moment of drunken stupidity perhaps?


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Mookiemoo on December 09, 2009, 10:10:26
Should have used cow catchers


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Tim on December 09, 2009, 10:29:30
Best wishes to the driver and recovery crew. 


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Tim on December 09, 2009, 16:01:43
BBC is reporting that the two victims may have been fleeing a burglery in Cardiff. (although quad bikes would be a strange getaway vehicle?)


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Electric train on December 09, 2009, 16:18:16
BBC is reporting that the two victims may have been fleeing a burglery in Cardiff. (although quad bikes would be a strange getaway vehicle?)

Not related to this incident but quadbikes are often used by thieves when they steal cables from the railway, one of the gang cuts one end the other end of the cables are cut and tied to a quadbike and towed out of the trough routes


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 09, 2009, 20:14:58
Updated video news item, from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8403014.stm):

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Police believe two men killed when a quad bike was hit by a train may have been fleeing the scene of a shop burglary.

Two hundred men's specialist outdoor jackets worth ^40,000 were stolen from Go Outdoors in Newport Road, Cardiff. Officers were called to the store just after 0400 GMT - around the time the men, both in their 20s, were hit on tracks in Rumney nearby. Police are studying CCTV footage and are appealing for witnesses.

In a statement, South Wales Police said: "Police believe that the men who made off from the Go Outdoors store after committing the burglary may be the same men involved in the fatal incident at a nearby railway line. Although it is too early to be certain at this stage."
 
British Transport Police said the dead men had been identified as Trevor Davies, 20, and David Cooper, 24, both from the Rumney area of Cardiff. Detectives are searching for two other people who are thought to have fled the scene after the two quad bikers were killed.

It is believed the train that hit them was travelling at around 70mph.

Two quad bikes were found but it is unclear if the victims were travelling on one or both vehicles.

British Transport Police said the quad bikes had been travelling east towards Newport when they were struck from behind.

The passenger train involved was not carrying members of the public at the time, and had been making its way from the Canton depot in Cardiff to Cheltenham for servicing.

Chief Inspector Sandra England said the two victims were pronounced dead at the scene, close to New Road in Rumney. She confirmed that officers are also trying to trace two other individuals. "We now believe two other persons have made off from the accident and we would urge anyone with any information on that to please come forwards so we can trace these people and speak to them," she said.

Ms England said the train driver was "pretty shaken up".

"The investigation is in the early stages at the moment," she added. "It was dark, in the early hours, when the incident happened and my main plea is that if anybody did see what happened they should call us on 0800 40 50 40. We will be following up all lines of inquiry to find out what the men were doing there at that time of night."

The crash led to four rail lines being closed for some hours, disrupting morning commuters. Three have since been reopened but continuing delays are likely.

A spokesperson for Network Rail said: "There was some damage to the track in the area of the collision. At the moment we are not able to give an accurate update on what repairs are needed or when they will be completed. Obviously at the moment, the clear-up operation is very much still under way there."


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Bob_Blakey on December 09, 2009, 20:41:04
I would very much like to know why the train involved, presumably an HST, was travelling FROM Canton TO Cheltenham for servicing - or is this just another example of lazy crap railway reportage courtesy of the BBC News website?


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: smithy on December 09, 2009, 21:08:20
I would very much like to know why the train involved, presumably an HST, was travelling FROM Canton TO Cheltenham for servicing - or is this just another example of lazy crap railway reportage courtesy of the BBC News website?

typical bbc

what they probably mean unit going empty from canton depot to chelt to enter service.
not hst or even fgw for that matter if coming from canton either ATW or XC 170 i would think.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 09, 2009, 21:08:42
The impression I had from the report this morning (and it is only that, I could be entirely mistaken) was that it was an ATW unit running ECS. This makes sense if the units was making its way from overnight servicing at Canton to enter service at Cheltenham, for example on a Maesteg service. If that's the case then the error on the BBC website is frankly completely trivial and has absolutely no bearing on the story itself. I really don't see that too many people who would care, given the circumstances of the incident, whether the unit had been serviced at Canton or was on its way to be serviced at Cheltenham. Fact it, it was an ECS move from Canton to Cheltenham. This is reflected in the Beeb's article.

To the best of my knowledge in south Wales HSTs are serviced at Landore (Swansea) rather than Canton.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: devon_metro on December 09, 2009, 22:13:31
I would very much like to know why the train involved, presumably an HST, was travelling FROM Canton TO Cheltenham for servicing - or is this just another example of lazy crap railway reportage courtesy of the BBC News website?

typical bbc

what they probably mean unit going empty from canton depot to chelt to enter service.
not hst or even fgw for that matter if coming from canton either ATW or XC 170 i would think.

Apparently ATW 158886


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: John R on December 09, 2009, 23:00:37
In a statement, South Wales Police said: "Police believe that the men who made off from the Go Outdoors store after committing the burglary may be the same men involved in the fatal incident at a nearby railway line. Although it is too early to be certain at this stage."

"Too early to be certain" but the thousands of pounds of jackets etc strewn around the accident site may just be a small clue, as is the hole cut in the fence from the store onto the railway line.

The BBC Wales report tonight showed a surprising number of similar aged men congregating at the bridge near the site and one made comments to the camera as to what nice guys they were.  I'm not sure the majority of viewers would have agreed with those views.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Tim on December 10, 2009, 09:43:09
Apparently when they are not out thieving, some of the locals use the tracks to race their quad bikes along! morons.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Electric train on December 10, 2009, 15:43:43
....... and everyone wonders why there are so many signaling failures.

My guess is the gang decided to use the railway as they assumed not trains ran at night and the police would be unable to give chase other than on foot


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Mookiemoo on December 10, 2009, 15:53:22
Still think cow catchers would have been the better idea!


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 10, 2009, 18:05:03
A further update, from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/8406047.stm):

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Four arrested after quad bike deaths on Cardiff railway

Four people have been arrested after two men believed to be fleeing the scene of a burglary were killed when a quad bike was hit by a train.

The men, three in their 20s and one 34, were arrested following a ^40,000 raid at an outdoor pursuits store on Newport Road, Cardiff, on Wednesday.

Two other men believed to be making their getaway were killed when the quad bike was struck on tracks at Rumney. They have been named as Trevor Davies, 20, and David Cooper, 24, of Rumney.

Officers believe the arrested men may be connected to the incident. South Wales Police said they were being detained at Cardiff Bay police station.

Officers have confirmed that one quad bike was stolen. The other quad bike remains unidentified.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: The SprinterMeister on December 10, 2009, 18:06:06
Apparently ATW 158886

I don't think you will find there is any such 158. Not with ATW anyway...


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: devon_metro on December 10, 2009, 18:09:18
824 in fact.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: dmutony on December 10, 2009, 18:51:37
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Apparently ATW 158886

158886 is currently run by SWT



Edit note: Post amended to clarify quote marks. CfN.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 31, 2010, 14:56:39
An update on this incident, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-10816129):

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Two charged after Cardiff railway line quad bike deaths

Two men will appear in court to face charges following a raid on Cardiff outdoor clothing shop, after which two others died on quad bikes.

Trevor Davies, 20, and David Cooper, 24, were killed during an apparent attempt to flee the scene.

The quad bikes were hit by an empty passenger train near Newport Road.

Two men, aged 23 and 21, will appear before Cardiff magistrates next Tuesday, charged with burglary and endangering lives on a railway.

There are accused of stealing ^40,000 worth of jackets from the Go Outdoors site last December.

Following the raid, quad bikes carrying Mr Davies and Mr Cooper were struck by an empty passenger train on nearby rail tracks.

Another two men who had been arrested and bailed as part of the investigation have been told no further action will be taken against them.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 06, 2010, 19:53:59
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-11200908):

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Cardiff quad bike deaths 'accidental'

Verdicts of accidental death have been recorded on two men struck by a train while riding a quad bike on the main Cardiff to London railway line.

Trevor Davies, 20, and David Cooper, 24, of Rumney, Cardiff, died in the early hours of 9 December last year.

Their deaths followed a ^40,000 burglary at Cardiff's Go Outdoors store after which two men were charged.

The inquest in Cardiff heard Mr Davies' and Mr Cooper's quad bike was almost ripped in two in the 70mph collision.

Their bodies were later found by paramedics down the line from the clothing warehouse outlet in Newport Road, which was targeted in the raid and which is next to the railway.

CCTV showed four men leaving the scene on two quad bikes through a fence and onto the railway line.

Liam Xeureb, 22, and Anthony Thomas, 23, both of Cardiff, were charged with burglary and endangering safety on the railways.

Both deny all charges and are due to stand trial later this month.

The two men were questioned by Cardiff coroner Mary Hassall during the jury inquest but both refused to reply, claiming their right not to answer her questions on the grounds that they might incriminate themselves.

"My concern is not a burglary or potential burglary or any matters relating to criminal prosecution," she told both men individually.

"My concern is how David and Trevor came by their deaths. Can you tell me how you know David and Trevor?" the coroner asked.

However both answered: "I have been advised to say nothing at this moment in time so I will not be answering any questions."

The inquest jury, of eight women and two men, returned their verdicts after hearing lengthy evidence regarding the findings of the investigation into both deaths.

The jury heard that the driver of the train which hit the pair had not seen them, and that as the bikes would have been noisy, it would have been impossible for them to hear the train until it was upon them.

The coroner's court also heard that there was a considerable risk of the collision derailing the train and endangering the crew.

The inquest was told that two other men then tried to raise the alarm with nearby residents saying that their friends had been killed.

One in particular was described as "frantic".

They showed paramedics to the scene but when the paramedics reached them, they could find no signs of life.

Shortly after that, the two other men had left the scene.

Post mortem examinations on the recovered bodies showed that Mr Cooper died of head injuries and Mr Davies died from multiple injuries.


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 25, 2010, 21:48:35
Update, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11841817):

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Pair jailed for Cardiff fatal quad bike burglary

Two burglars have been jailed for three years at Cardiff Crown Court for a raid which left two of their gang dead after being hit by a train.

Liam Xuereb, 22, and Anthony Thomas, 23, and two friends stole ^7,500 of ski jackets from a store in Cardiff last December.

They used two quad bikes to escape along a railway line but Trevor Davies, 20, and David Cooper, 24, were killed.

Xuereb and Thomas had admitted burglary.

Prosecutor Julian Greenwood told the court how the four men, on quad bikes, were caught on CCTV cutting a hole in the back fence of the Go Outdoors store's compound.

"Once inside they grabbed rails full of jackets and clothing and loaded them onto the bikes," he said. "They were escaping along a railway track when there was a collision with a train."

The court heard the train was an unscheduled locomotive travelling at 68 mph on the London Paddington to Swansea line.

Mr Greenwood said: "The driver Graham Sparshott remembers a flash of white light and a massive jolt as the train lifted itself off rhe tracks. He stopped and radioed for help. The police arrived and found Davies' and Cooper's bodies in undergrowth next to the line."

An inquest jury returned verdicts of accidental death on Davies and Cooper earlier this year.

The court heard the four friends from Llanrumney, Cardiff, planned to make "easy money" by selling the stolen jackets in the run up to Christmas 2009.

The train driver is still on stress-related sick leave nearly a year after the incident on the main Cardiff to London rail track.

Xuereb and Thomas pleaded guilty to burglary and endangering the safety of rail passengers at an earlier hearing.

Judge Patrick Curran QC told them: "The two young men killed were your close friends. The dangerousness of your conduct was demonstrated by the loss of their lives."


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Toiletdriver on November 26, 2010, 09:36:01
As my computer is a piece of junk and will not let me highlight parts of the above quote >:(
Since when is an 158 a locomotive?????
And most important, yes the driver is STILL on the SICK
Thanks Chavs for ruining a colleagues life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could have been me!

PS The thread on this subject on WNXX is quite amusing ;)


Edited due to spelling mistake :o


Title: Re: Major delays at Cardiff today - line incident, 9 December 2009
Post by: Tim on November 26, 2010, 09:58:21
Poor driver is what I thought too.  Hope he/she can move forward with their life soon even if that means leaving the rail industry



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