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Title: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: paul7575 on January 05, 2010, 18:11:55
I don't think anyone has mentioned the incident at Exeter St Davids last night when 142029 (on the 1813 from Barnstaple arr 1925) ran into the back of 159010/022 (waiting to start the 1927 Waterloo service). 

Reports elsewhere suggest it was a straightforward overspeed approach, but there have been a few Pacer shunts recently, so it could be railhead related.

Paul


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: smithy on January 05, 2010, 18:53:15
I don't think anyone has mentioned the incident at Exeter St Davids last night when 142029 (on the 1813 from Barnstaple arr 1925) ran into the back of 159010/022 (waiting to start the 1927 Waterloo service). 

Reports elsewhere suggest it was a straightforward overspeed approach, but there have been a few Pacer shunts recently, so it could be railhead related.

Paul

i heard 142 had brake failure


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Ollie on January 05, 2010, 20:37:10
I do believe it is best not to speculate of the run up to this incident and await a report from the RAIB.

But my thoughts go to those who were injured of which I believe thankfully there were only a few.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 05, 2010, 22:11:33
totally agree ollie, however you did it yourself  ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Ollie on January 06, 2010, 04:47:34
totally agree ollie, however you did it yourself  ;D
Aha but I haven't speculated on the run up to the incident, but I had seen a report saying about 5 people were injured.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 06, 2010, 13:13:25
fair enough then mate i cant find any info on it


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 06, 2010, 16:52:14
From the Exeter Express & Echo (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/hurt-Exeter-train-crash/article-1676514-detail/article.html):

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Five hurt in Exeter train crash

Five people were taken to hospital after two trains collided at Exeter St David^s station.

A two-car local First Great Western service from Barnstaple to Exmouth collided with a stationary South West Trains^ Exeter to Waterloo train waiting at platform one. A First Great Western spokesman said it was normal practice for two trains to use the same platform at the same time.

The Exmouth-bound train was carrying 12 passengers, five of whom had to be taken to hospital with minor injuries, including whiplash.

The driver of the train was unhurt but was said to be shaken by the experience.

There were nine people on board the London-bound train and all were uninjured. Both trains were taken out of service. The Exmouth-bound train was placed in ^quarantine^ at St David^s as part of an inquiry into the accident launched by the Train Accident Investigation Board.

The Waterloo train was taken to Salisbury for checks to ensure it was fit for continued service.

Inspector Jim Atkinson, of Exeter^s British Transport Police, who was off duty and called in to attend the incident, said the accident happened at 7.27pm on Monday when the Exmouth-bound train collided with the rear of the stationary Exeter to Waterloo train.

He said: ^We carried out an initial investigation and established there had been no criminal activities. ^The Rail Accident Investigation Board is carrying out an investigation and the Exmouth-bound train was quarantined overnight.

^The Waterloo-bound train was taken out of service and passengers were able to catch the next available train. We took the details of the five passengers taken to the Royal Devon & Exeter Hospital. I contacted them later and those I could reach were all okay.^

Inspector Atkinson said Devon and Cornwall police attended the accident, along with seven BTP officers and a scene-of-crime expert.

A spokesman for First Great Western said: ^I can confirm that a First Great Western train from Barnstaple to Exmouth came into low-speed contact with a stationary South West Trains service from Exeter St David^s to London Waterloo at approximately 7.25pm in platform one at Exeter St David^s station.

^Platforms are often used to accommodate two trains at the same time, which is normal practice at stations across the railway network.

^The Railway Accident Investigation Branch is carrying out an investigation and we will be working with them and Network Rail to understand the reason why this happened.^

Devon and Cornwall police said officers attended but left the matter in the hands of the BTP.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 06, 2010, 17:16:04
So, three references to the RAIB in that article and none of them get its title quite right...!

EE&E: "Train Accident Investigation Board"
BTP: "Rail Accident Investigation Board" (surely they of all people ought to know what it's called....)
FGW: "Railway Accident Investigation Branch"


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on January 06, 2010, 18:12:11
From the Exeter Express & Echo (http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/hurt-Exeter-train-crash/article-1676514-detail/article.html):

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Inspector Atkinson said Devon and Cornwall police attended the accident, along with seven BTP officers and a scene-of-crime expert.

I didn't know BTP had that many officers in Devon  :o... I know what to do in future when I want some actual police assistance on my train....  ::)


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2010, 01:49:11
Hmm. Ramming another train seems a bit extreme?  ::) ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: woody on January 08, 2010, 23:14:16
Was told that the driver applied the brakes which worked as normal but the 142 simply slide into the back of the 159 due to the extreme weather/poor rail adhesion conditions.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 09, 2010, 03:18:08
Interesting in the context of an RAIB bulletin published today, reporting on a similar incident involving a 142 at Darlington Bank Top last October:
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Bulletin%20(Darlington)%2001-2010.pdf (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Bulletin%20(Darlington)%2001-2010.pdf)



Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on January 09, 2010, 14:36:55
Was told that the driver applied the brakes which worked as normal but the 142 simply slide into the back of the 159 due to the extreme weather/poor rail adhesion conditions.
Correct. As I understand it swabs have been taken from the railheads between the Red Cow level crossing and the collision site. Some suspicion as to whether road treatment (rock salt) of the crossing road surface has been rolled along the rail heads by a previous rail movement, there by setting a trap for the 142.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on January 09, 2010, 15:32:26
From what i've heard today, the driver has been cleared of any responsibility.

I wonder if this leads to the end of permissive working at EXD, just like a similar incident at Newton Abbot a few years back.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: devon_metro on January 09, 2010, 17:50:59
From what i've heard today, the driver has been cleared of any responsibility.

I wonder if this leads to the end of permissive working at EXD, just like a similar incident at Newton Abbot a few years back.

I suspect it won't, afterall that would cause a lot of headaches for timetable planners all for the same of one very rare incident. Besides, as far as i'm aware drivers should approach at 10mph when given a proceed aspect that is not from a signal aspect (ie. the white shunt lights) or am I spouting a load of rubbish!


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on January 09, 2010, 18:44:24
From what i've heard today, the driver has been cleared of any responsibility.

I wonder if this leads to the end of permissive working at EXD, just like a similar incident at Newton Abbot a few years back.

I suspect it won't, afterall that would cause a lot of headaches for timetable planners all for the same of one very rare incident. Besides, as far as i'm aware drivers should approach at 10mph when given a proceed aspect that is not from a signal aspect (ie. the white shunt lights) or am I spouting a load of rubbish!

Headaches for timetable planners yes - especially with SWT to Waterloo already causing problems with regards to FGW services using "the bank" between St. Davids and Central, but I doubt that the RAIB are going to be too bothered about that.

As for the 10mph, I cannot say I know, as I just drive from the rear  ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: woody on January 09, 2010, 21:15:29
Was told that the driver applied the brakes which worked as normal but the 142 simply slide into the back of the 159 due to the extreme weather/poor rail adhesion conditions.
Correct. As I understand it swabs have been taken from the railheads between the Red Cow level crossing and the collision site. Some suspicion as to whether road treatment (rock salt) of the crossing road surface has been rolled along the rail heads by a previous rail movement, there by setting a trap for the 142.
Thats what I heard today as well.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: gaf71 on January 10, 2010, 07:26:13
From what i've heard today, the driver has been cleared of any responsibility.

I wonder if this leads to the end of permissive working at EXD, just like a similar incident at Newton Abbot a few years back.

I suspect it won't, afterall that would cause a lot of headaches for timetable planners all for the same of one very rare incident. Besides, as far as i'm aware drivers should approach at 10mph when given a proceed aspect that is not from a signal aspect (ie. the white shunt lights) or am I spouting a load of rubbish!

Headaches for timetable planners yes - especially with SWT to Waterloo already causing problems with regards to FGW services using "the bank" between St. Davids and Central, but I doubt that the RAIB are going to be too bothered about that.

As for the 10mph, I cannot say I know, as I just drive from the rear  ;D
A position light authorises the train to move as far as the line is clear, but not past any other signal, and at a speed which you can stop clear of any obstruction.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on January 10, 2010, 11:07:31
I suspect it won't, afterall that would cause a lot of headaches for timetable planners all for the same of one very rare incident. Besides, as far as i'm aware drivers should approach at 10mph when given a proceed aspect that is not from a signal aspect (ie. the white shunt lights) or am I spouting a load of rubbish!
Unfortunately you are spouting a load of rubbish.

There is no set speed laid down for movements on the authority of a position light signal of either associated with a main aspect or a ground position light. However the driver shall control the movement in such a way that it can stop short of any obstruction. From what I gather the speed of 2F53 was not excessive and very considerably below the 25mph line speed. I am further advised that inspection of the 142 at 83C revealed no pre-existing faults with the braking system.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Trowres on January 10, 2010, 19:19:58
... As I understand it swabs have been taken from the railheads between the Red Cow level crossing and the collision site. Some suspicion as to whether road treatment (rock salt) of the crossing road surface has been rolled along the rail heads by a previous rail movement, there by setting a trap for the 142.

Very interesting. Salt is hygroscopic, and will cause the rail surface to become  (and remain) damp. It will also promote rusting of the rail surface, and damp rust can be rather slippery...

Anyone fascinated by rail adhesion can read:
http://portal.railresearch.org.uk/Shared%20Documents/Reports/rssba2a.pdf (http://portal.railresearch.org.uk/Shared%20Documents/Reports/rssba2a.pdf)


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 21, 2010, 15:13:00
The RAIB have now published their full report (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/100621_R102010_Exeter%20St%20Davids.pdf) into this incident on their website.

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Summary of Conclusions
Immediate cause
76 The immediate cause of the accident was that the driver^s application of the brakes did not stop the Barnstaple train before it collided with the Waterloo train.
Causal factor
77 A causal factor was a length of low adhesion at Red Cow level crossing and at the eastern end of platform 1 at Exeter St Davids station.
Contributory factors
78 A contributory factor was the lack of sanding equipment on the class 142 unit.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: JayMac on August 05, 2010, 15:21:02
From this is Devon (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/crime/Rail-crash-cause-remain-mystery/article-2488765-detail/article.html) (05/08/2010):

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Rail crash cause will remain a mystery

Mystery surrounds the precise cause of a rail collision which left nine people injured, an investigation found. The Rail Accident Investigation Branch arrived at no certain explanation for the crash, involving a train from Barnstaple, at 7.25pm on January 4. A suspicion that road salt contaminated rails, affecting braking, was dismissed as unlikely.

The First Great Western train from Barnstaple crashed into the South West Trains service for London Waterloo, at Exeter St Davids station. The Barnstaple train was travelling at 11mph and none of the injuries ^ to six passengers and three members of staff ^ was serious. There were 14 people on the Barnstaple train and 11 on the stationary Waterloo service.

The RAIB found that January 4 was a clear night and the temperature was -4C.

About seven minutes before the collision, a number of vehicles, including a Devon County Council salt-spreading lorry, went over a nearby level crossing. The driver of the Barnstaple train received correct signals and braked as he travelled towards the platform. But four seconds later, the wheels started to slide. The driver applied an emergency brake. The train continued to slide for 100 metres until it hit the back of the London train.

Investigators analysed the rails at the crossing and found that "low adhesion" ^ reduced friction ^ was a causal factor. They were unable to establish the exact reason for this but said the likely cause was moisture on the rail head, possibly reacting with minute amounts of contaminant. Investigators reported that chlorine on rails might have indicated the presence of road salt.

Between December 21, 2009 and January 11, 2010, salt was applied on the road approaches to the level crossing on 36 occasions. The council's policy is to switch off the salt supply when travelling over the crossing.

But the RAIB concluded it was unlikely that road salt drawn onto the level crossing and along the railway caused low adhesion on the evening of January 4.

The Barnstaple train did not have a "sanding system" in which the driver can release sand to improve friction. The lack of such a system was found to be a contributory factor in the crash.

The RAIB re-iterated a previous recommendation that a way be found for sanding equipment to be installed on the type of train used on the Tarka Line.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: inspector_blakey on August 05, 2010, 15:54:24
Is there some kind of six-week satellite delay between Derby (offices of RAIB) and Devon...? I know the stereotype is of a slower pace of life down that way, but really...  ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on August 05, 2010, 17:49:29
Is there some kind of six-week satellite delay between Derby (offices of RAIB) and Devon...? I know the stereotype is of a slower pace of life down that way, but really...  ;D

Slow news day for the 'Excess & Error' / Thisisdevon people I expect. No cats stuck in trees in Burnthouse Lane, no Exeter City Football team loosing at home again or any massive fare hikes / service reductions on the Stagecoach Exeter buses to report so they had to find a 'news story' to make up the weight.....
 ;)


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on August 05, 2010, 21:26:35
From this is Devon (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/crime/Rail-crash-cause-remain-mystery/article-2488765-detail/article.html) (05/08/2010):

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The Barnstaple train did not have a "sanding system" in which the driver can release sand to improve friction. The lack of such a system was found to be a contributory factor in the crash.

The RAIB re-iterated a previous recommendation that a way be found for sanding equipment to be installed on the type of train used on the Tarka Line.

I'm sure that'll be the case come this winter when we still have 142s ! ;)


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 05, 2010, 21:50:53
Hmm.  A possible alternative version:

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The RAIB re-iterated a previous recommendation that a way be found to upgrade the type of train used on the Tarka Line.

Chris  :P ::) ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: vacman on August 06, 2010, 11:17:18
Is there some kind of six-week satellite delay between Derby (offices of RAIB) and Devon...? I know the stereotype is of a slower pace of life down that way, but really...  ;D

Slow news day for the 'Excess & Error' / Thisisdevon people I expect. No cats stuck in trees in Burnthouse Lane, no Exeter City Football team loosing at home again or any massive fare hikes / service reductions on the Stagecoach Exeter buses to report so they had to find a 'news story' to make up the weight.....
 ;)
well, at least in two weeks they'll be able to report on Exeter City losing at home (and away) every week  ;)


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: eightf48544 on August 06, 2010, 13:59:13
Those of you with long memories will recall 165 102 slid over the stops at the end of platform 6 at Slough and onto the platform due to sliding due to poor adhesion (leaves). I was always a bit aprehensive if I travelled on it afterwards.

Subsequently 165/6 were fited with sanding gear.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: inspector_blakey on August 06, 2010, 15:29:36
It's a long time ago, and my memory may well be flawed, but wasn't that partly down to the 165s being some of the earlier DMUs to be fitted with disc brakes? As I recall, the logic went that the traditional "shoe" brakes fitted to older stock, since they bear on the tyre, scrape off the assorted slime, mulch, grease and cack that accumulate on wheels during the leaf-fall season and therefore help adhesion. Disc brakes on the other hand obviously don't seeing as they're gripping a brake disc on the axle and not the wheel itself. Didn't this also result in "scrubber" brake blocks being fitted to some disc-braked units to clean off the wheel tread?

Slow news day for the 'Excess & Error' / Thisisdevon people I expect. No cats stuck in trees in Burnthouse Lane, no Exeter City Football team loosing at home again or any massive fare hikes / service reductions on the Stagecoach Exeter buses to report so they had to find a 'news story' to make up the weight.....
 ;)

Love it!  ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: rogerw on August 06, 2010, 18:16:44

well, at least in two weeks they'll be able to report on Exeter City losing at home (and away) every week  ;)
Does that mean that Exeter City will win their first two games?  The football season starts tomorrow!!


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on August 07, 2010, 13:49:38
Does that mean that Exeter City will win their first two games?  The football season starts tomorrow!!

I doubt it, they aren't known as 'Exeter City Nil' without good reason. ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Trowres on August 08, 2010, 00:02:09
Well perhaps the rag headline should read Exeter Entranced  ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: LiskeardRich on August 08, 2010, 00:19:25

well, at least in two weeks they'll be able to report on Exeter City losing at home (and away) every week  ;)
Does that mean that Exeter City will win their first two games?  The football season starts tomorrow!!

2 all draw today!


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: vacman on August 08, 2010, 00:43:21

well, at least in two weeks they'll be able to report on Exeter City losing at home (and away) every week  ;)
Does that mean that Exeter City will win their first two games?  The football season starts tomorrow!!

2 all draw today!
one more to go til they lose the rest  ;) :D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Branch Line Connor on August 08, 2010, 04:05:32
Does that mean Saints 0 - 1 Argyle

Is... SouthWest Trains 0 - 1 First Great Western?  ::)


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on August 09, 2010, 14:01:57
As I recall, the logic went that the traditional "shoe" brakes fitted to older stock, since they bear on the tyre, scrape off the assorted slime, mulch, grease and cack that accumulate on wheels during the leaf-fall season and therefore help adhesion. Disc brakes on the other hand obviously don't seeing as they're gripping a brake disc on the axle and not the wheel itself. Didn't this also result in "scrubber" brake blocks being fitted to some disc-braked units to clean off the wheel tread?

There was also a problem with class 158's in two car format and the reliable operation of track circuits, not withstanding the fitting of 'Shunt Assisters' (better known as Track Circuit Actuators) to the non driving bogie under the cab. The scrubber blocks were required in order to make sure that the bogies at each end were at least making reliable metal to metal contact.

Some TOC's in fact formed 'hybrids' using a class 158 car coupled to a tread braked car to overcome the issue during the leaf fall season until scrubber blocks were retrofitted. 



Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: smithy on August 12, 2010, 18:12:38
As I recall, the logic went that the traditional "shoe" brakes fitted to older stock, since they bear on the tyre, scrape off the assorted slime, mulch, grease and cack that accumulate on wheels during the leaf-fall season and therefore help adhesion. Disc brakes on the other hand obviously don't seeing as they're gripping a brake disc on the axle and not the wheel itself. Didn't this also result in "scrubber" brake blocks being fitted to some disc-braked units to clean off the wheel tread?

There was also a problem with class 158's in two car format and the reliable operation of track circuits, not withstanding the fitting of 'Shunt Assisters' (better known as Track Circuit Actuators) to the non driving bogie under the cab. The scrubber blocks were required in order to make sure that the bogies at each end were at least making reliable metal to metal contact.

Some TOC's in fact formed 'hybrids' using a class 158 car coupled to a tread braked car to overcome the issue during the leaf fall season until scrubber blocks were retrofitted. 



that is the reason all 3 car hybrids have an ex wessex vehicle as the hybrid so at least 1 car has scrubbers.
the TCA is actually called Track Circuit Assistor and not Actuator as is commonly thought.dont mean to be pedantic just confirming the proper wording.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on August 13, 2010, 11:06:33
The TCA is actually called Track Circuit Assistor and not Actuator as is commonly thought.dont mean to be pedantic just confirming the proper wording.
The term 'Track Circuit Actuator' is used in all official documents supplied to traincrew to be utterly pedantic, although as you and I both know the equipment doesn't operate the track circuits. It merely assists the normal wheel / rail contact which is the usual method of track circuit operation.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: smithy on August 13, 2010, 19:51:49
The TCA is actually called Track Circuit Assistor and not Actuator as is commonly thought.dont mean to be pedantic just confirming the proper wording.
The term 'Track Circuit Actuator' is used in all official documents supplied to traincrew to be utterly pedantic, although as you and I both know the equipment doesn't operate the track circuits. It merely assists the normal wheel / rail contact which is the usual method of track circuit operation.

as you say you and i know the correct wording the official documents are probably in plain english for crew with less technical knowledge than us.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: JayMac on August 25, 2010, 21:50:39
Another slow news day in Exeter. The local press has re-hashed the story (with nothing new to say) again.

From the Express and Echo (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/news/Better-brakes-stopped-crash/article-2566953-detail/article.html) (25/08/2010):

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Better brakes could have stopped crash which hospitalised nine

A rail crash which hospitalised nine people might have been prevented if braking equipment had been upgraded, investigators have said.

On the evening of January 4 a First Great Western (FGW) 142 train from Barnstaple hit the back of a stationary South West Trains service to London at Exeter St David's Station.

Six passengers in the FGW train and two in the London-bound train, plus three members of staff, were taken to hospital. None were seriously hurt.

Investigators for the Rail Accident Investigation Branch found that the driver of the FGW train had applied the brake 139m before the crash, when the train, known as a 142 unit, had been travelling at 17mph. Instead of slowing to a stop the train skidded on the rails.

In a detailed report, investigators say equipment which distributes sand on the tops of rails to improve grip when accelerating or braking could have stopped the crash.

The 142 units, which are in use on several Devon branch lines, are not equipped with sanding systems.

Investigators say water and ice on top of the rails were likely to have caused the train to lose grip in the first place.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: julian on September 28, 2010, 16:54:11
Does anyone know when the Exmouth Branch is likely to see any 'new' trains?


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: inspector_blakey on September 28, 2010, 18:38:23
By "new" what do you mean...? If you're asking when are the 142s likely to disappear, then the answer is probably within the next year or so, perhaps sooner. If you're asking when it'll get brand new stock, the answer is not for an exceedingly long time. It's not even close to being on anyone's long-range radar at the moment.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: julian on September 29, 2010, 12:06:30
Yes, I appreciate that 'new' in Devon is a relative term and that we will be getting refurbished units from elsewhere. I had thought that the replacement units were due this summer. I understand that there have been problems with other rolling stock which has caused a delay. 


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: julian on October 26, 2010, 15:05:21
'New' trains not arriving for another 12 months or so...


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on October 26, 2010, 16:14:25
'New' trains not arriving for another 12 months or so...

I'm sure it'll be the latter... but any source for this?


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: julian on October 26, 2010, 16:27:37
The Avocet Line Rail Users Group.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on October 29, 2010, 18:16:17
'New' trains not arriving for another 12 months or so...

I'm sure it'll be the latter... but any source for this?

Not sure where the Avocet folk get their gen...
There are 5 x LOROL 150/1 already to hand of which 3 are already running in FGW service. 150128 will go to Tysley for a C4 overhaul before heading our way. The LM 172's are now being built so I would think the 9 LM 150/1 will be to hand by June / July. At that point in time exit stage left class 142.


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: JayMac on October 29, 2010, 18:29:41
Now, we have to decide the POV for that 'exit stage left'.

If we take Exeter, facing north, then 'exit stage left' could be the Atlantic ocean. Not sure folks up north would be happy to see the donkeys drowned off the coast near Barnstaple!

 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: Super Guard on October 31, 2010, 11:12:04
The damn things would probably survive and end up swimming round the coast back 'tup North  ;D


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: paul7575 on October 31, 2010, 11:18:18
There are no plans to retire any 142s, and no plans to buy any extra DMU stock that will allow that directly. All the indications were that the current 172s are the last DMU buy, and they do release 150s but they are nearly all accounted for already.

AFAICS widespread electrification, somewhat beyond the current NW plans is the only thing that will result in scrapped Pacers.

Paul


Title: Re: 142 vs 159s at Exeter
Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 01, 2010, 12:26:51
The damn things would probably survive and end up swimming round the coast back 'tup North  ;D
You'll miss them! ;)

Actually since fleet have adressed a lot of the issues with them such as the drivers seats and the additional window blinds in the cab they aint bad little chuckle buses and on occasion have topped the MAA / MPC figures for class 142 nationally. Of course with a small fleet it doesn't take much in the way of problems for the figures to vary wildly but overall they haven't done as bad as some expected and concentrating them on one depot seems to have worked very well.



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