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Title: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 13, 2010, 10:16:08 pm
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/8565864.stm):

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A public meeting is to be held over a multi-million pound plan to transform Reading railway station.
The borough council proposes an upgrade of the southern entrance and outside travel interchange concourse, including bus, taxi and drop-off areas.
It comes as Network Rail plans a ^500m revamp of rail lines into the town, including five new platforms and a train depot.
Residents and businesses are being urged to attend and give their views.
The council says the Network Rail upgrade will significantly increase passenger numbers and should allow more trains to run through Reading, reduce delays on the western route and ease overcrowding at the station.
Another planned regeneration project at nearby Station Hill, including skyscrapers housing offices, restaurants and flats, would also increase numbers.
During the meeting, council planners will outline their plans, followed by a question and answer session.
Their Reading Station Area Framework covers an area from the River Thames to the north, Friar Street to the south, Caversham Road to the west and Forbury Road to the east.
There will also be an opportunity to see the Network Rail and Station Hill plans.
A council spokesperson said: "The council wants its residents to get involved now so they can help to inform any possible future development and have some input into future plans. Exhibitions have already taken place at Caversham Library and the Civic Centre."
The meeting will be held on 22 March from 1830 GMT in the Victoria Hall at the town hall.


Title: Reading Station Bridge Widening - work looks to have begun
Post by: Boppy on March 19, 2010, 12:14:06 pm
I've noticed the barricading and single lane closure of the road under the East Side Reading Railway Bridge.

With all the area to the North of the tracks to the East also cordoned off (the car parks have been closed along Napier road it looks like) is this the beginning of the bridge widening?

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station Bridge Widening - work looks to have begun
Post by: willc on March 25, 2010, 10:35:58 pm
DafT has today announced a package of road alterations around the station. Press release below.

A ^16 million road improvement scheme which will allow for major upgrades to Reading station has taken an important step forward, Transport Minister Sadiq Khan announced today.

The scheme - which will increase capacity on roads and junctions around the station -has received conditional approval, meaning work could start later this year. The Minister also reconfirmed that the Department will invest ^15 million in the project, subject to Reading ensuring that appropriate procurement, governance and project management mechanisms are in place.  Reading Borough Council will meet the remainder of the cost.

The work will allow new rail bridges to be constructed as part of the wider ^425 million programme of works to rebuild Reading station and significantly improve train services. It will also improve traffic flow around the station.
Sadiq Khan said:

^I am delighted to confirm that this vital scheme - which we are prepared to invest ^15 million towards - has taken an important step forward.

"The improvement project will not only ease congestion on local roads - but also allow new rail bridges to be constructed as part of the wider ^425 million programme of works to rebuild Reading station.

"This will deliver major improvements to the performance and capacity of one of the most critical rail hubs in Britain."

Following a review of the scheme by Reading Borough Council, the proposed road improvements involve:

^ works to modify the existing roundabout at Portman Road/Oxford Road including a bus lane on the approach to the junction;
^ southern and northern stations access works around the junction of station Hill/Vastern Road/Caversham Road; and
^ signalisation of the junction at Richfield Avenue/Caversham Road.

The improvements will allow new rail bridges to be built over Cow Lane Road to accommodate the provision of additional track to the west of the station.  The junction improvements are needed to provide a strategic road route for HGVs and other non-local traffic and improve management of the road network.


Title: Re: Reading Station Bridge Widening - work looks to have begun
Post by: paul7755 on March 26, 2010, 10:46:33 am
This is double announcing as far as I can see. There was an announcement that work on the actual railway bridges had started quite a few weeks ago.  Didn't we discuss exactly what they meant by 'widening', ie was it with respect to the roads or the tracks?

What they'll have done is included it again just to pad out whatever new work is being discussed...   ::)

Paul


Title: Re: Views wanted on Reading railway station plans
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 10, 2010, 06:13:39 pm
From the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/NETWORK-RAIL-SHOWCASES-VISION-FOR-THE-FUTURE-OF-READING-STATION-1437/SearchCategoryID-7.aspx):

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NETWORK RAIL SHOWCASES VISION FOR THE FUTURE OF READING STATION

Network Rail today published artist^s impressions of how Reading station will look, following their multimillion pound investment to modernise the station.

The images have been released in advance of a public exhibition on Network Rail^s plans for Reading^s railway, to be held in Reading Town Hall from Thursday 20 to Saturday 22 May.

Tony Walker, Network Rail^s scheme sponsor for the Reading project said: ^Reading^s residents and commuters were really positive about our plans for the station when we consulted them a couple of years ago. I^m keen to give people an update on our scheme and get their views before we start construction in earnest.

^The work we^re doing in Reading is one of the biggest pieces of railway investment anywhere in the country right now. I urge everyone who lives in Reading or uses the station to come along to the Town Hall and find out about the benefits and how they^re affected by our plans.^

Network Rail, in conjunction with Reading Borough Council, plans to enlarge and modernise Reading station, building two new entrances connected by a brand new footbridge, relieving congestion for Reading^s commuters. New lifts and escalators will make it easier to get about the station, and five extra platforms will provide more space for trains.

The improvements to the station are just one part of Network Rail^s ambitious plans for Reading^s railway, which involve the construction of a viaduct to untangle the tracks to the west of the station, boosting capacity and cutting delays.

Owing to close working partnerships between Network Rail, First Great Western, and other train operating companies, the vast majority of the work to rebuild Reading station and the surrounding railway will be undertaken without affecting train services. However there will be times when passengers using Reading station will be affected. The first of these will be this Christmas (2010), when the station will close for a number of days while the first phase of work is completed.

Network Rail engineers and project managers will be on hand at the Town Hall exhibition to answer questions about the future for Reading^s railway, and the benefits for the travelling public. Further details on trains next Christmas and alternative travel arrangements will also be available.


Title: Re: Views wanted on Reading railway station plans
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 19, 2010, 08:55:11 pm
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/8691613.stm):

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Reading station revamp exhibition opens

Reading commuters are to get a glimpse of how their new railway station will look after a ^400m revamp when an exhibition opens in the town centre.
The station is due to be remodelled by 2013 to include five more platforms and an additional entrance west of the Three Guineas Pub.
The display is due to open at Reading Town Hall at 1000 BST on Thursday.
Network Rail engineers and project managers will be on hand to answer questions about the scheme.
Network Rail has released a new image of how the southern entrance of station will look when it is rebuilt.
The entrance is one of two new access points planned for the station and will be served by a footbridge, lifts and escalators.
Tony Walker, who is working on the project, said: "Reading's residents and commuters were really positive about our plans for the station when we consulted them a couple of years ago. I'm keen to give people an update on our scheme and get their views before we start construction in earnest. The work we're doing in Reading is one of the biggest pieces of railway investment anywhere in the country right now. I urge everyone who lives in Reading or uses the station to come along to the town hall and find out about the benefits and how they're affected by our plans."
The Reading exhibition will be held in the Waterhouse Chamber, Reading Town Hall from Thursday to Saturday and at Reading Station on Thursday from 1700 to 2000 BST.


Title: Re: Views wanted on Reading railway station plans
Post by: Boppy on May 21, 2010, 11:25:02 am
Hi,

I saw this "exhibition" outside Reading station yesterday.

What I was expecting of something described as such is maybe a scale model?  But all it was was a large banner showing pretty much the same images and artists impressions that have already been shown in the pdfs associated with the project on Network Rail and Reading Borough Council's web sites.  All the publicity about it had built it up a lot so I felt a bit let down - oh well!

Also - the plan used on the banner and in the leaflets handed out is a bit confusing - it has an exaggerated vertical scale to show the extra platforms and tracks but the track layout isn't true - it's just an approximation.  We had what looked to be 3 tracks heading out west, 1 track heading out south (past Reading West) & just 2 tracks for the GWML to Paddington!  But at least there were the correct (i.e. 2) tracks heading off to Wokingham.   :D

On the plus side there were plenty of people to talk to about the plans.

Can't wait for the project to be done - all the days of trains queueing outside Reading into Platform 4 may finally come to an end!?   :)

Boppy.


Title: Re: Views wanted on Reading railway station plans
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 11, 2010, 08:51:11 pm
From getreading.co.uk (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2072653_reading_station_plans_still_on_say_network_rail):

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Reading Station plans still on say Network Rail

Network Rail has rubbished claims made on BBC Berkshire Radio this morning that plans to redevelop Reading Station have been scrapped.

Work is already under way on the scheme to improve the station as part of a multi-million pound development and rail bosses have said rumours the plans were being scrapped by the Government were not accurate.

Russell Spink, Network Rail spokesman, said: ""The upgrade of Reading's railway is funded as part of our current funding settlement, which runs until 2014, and this settlement is not under review. The project is already under way; our engineers are already working at Caversham and Vastern Road bridges and on Napier Road. We recognise that we're operating in a tough economic environment and we are looking carefully at all of our projects to make sure we work efficiently and deliver value for money. However to suggest that the entire Reading project is suspended is simply not correct."

A Department for Transport (DfT) statement made yesterday said that all transport schemes were under review until they had been given the go-ahead by the new Government.

This includes the Cow Lane bridges aspect of the road network to be completed by Reading Borough Council that will be reviewed in the autumn but not the town centre area development that includes Station Hill, due to start later this month.

Mr Spink added: "We have the cash to carry out our projects which are unaffected by the announcement. The DfT^s announcement applies to local government transport schemes only. It^s important to make clear that Network Rail^s work at Cow Lane is part of our Reading project and is not affected by any cuts or reviews. The DfT money which is now under review was for the council to improve the roads nearby to get them ready for the extra traffic that will probably be using them when we widen the bridges".


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on June 12, 2010, 12:03:00 am
Let's hope Networkrail is right and there is funding for teh whole scheme, other wise it's in danger of becoming another Leeds rebuild in teh 50s/60s which kept getting started and stopped.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 18, 2010, 09:12:53 pm
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/10340577.stm):

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Traffic concerns over bridge widening leads to footpath

A temporary footpath is being installed under a bridge which is being widened for the ^400m revamp of Reading railway station.

The pedestrian crossing at Vastern Road, which runs under the bridge, was removed so the roadworks could begin.

It was replaced with a diversion leading pedestrians around the Vastern Road roundabout but it is understood some people are walking into the road.

The council said pedestrian and motorist safety are a priority.

Richard Willis, Reading's lead councillor for transport and strategic planning, said: "I am pleased that improvements are to be made and hope that pedestrians and cyclists will find the new footpath safer to use."

Network Rail's improvements include five new platforms, an elevated railway and a new station entrance.

Vastern Road railway bridge is being widened to make way for new and longer train platforms, a spokeswoman said.

A row of pedestrian barriers will also be put in place along the east side of Vastern Road to protect pedestrians from traffic underneath the bridge.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Ollie on June 18, 2010, 11:50:59 pm
Money being wasted just because some people can't be bothered to walk a little bit further..


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: John R on June 19, 2010, 10:20:18 am
And people wonder why projects over-run.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on July 08, 2010, 09:36:35 pm
Work on the new bridge to the Waterloo platforms is clearly progressing now, and I'm curious as to what it will actually look like when finished. I am assuming that the new bridge will be double track and will serve both the current platform 4b and the new platform to be built next to 4b? Then I assume the 4a platform will be extended across the existing bridge, presumably with the platform deck straddling both existing and new bridges to serve both 4a and 4b? I'm curious as to where the new bridge and track will join the existing line, as there is quite a steep descent from the other side of the bridge.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on July 08, 2010, 10:36:13 pm
All very good questions, and I don't know all the answers. I do know that there will be a third platform to the south of the existing platforms, that they wll all be extended (I think I was told 12 car) and that there will be a double track approach in place of the existing single lead. How they will make the gradients work is indeed an interesting question!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2010, 06:54:24 pm
How they will make the gradients work is indeed an interesting question!

I took a look a while ago and reckoned on there being just enough room for 12-car platforms (if the buffers remain where they are now) before the gradient starts.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on July 12, 2010, 06:08:01 am
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/10550464.stm):

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Reading station to close over Christmas due to revamp

Festive rail passengers around Reading are to be hit with delays as the first part of a ^400m revamp starts.

Network Rail said it was the best time to carry out the work which will see the station partially shut from late on Christmas Eve until 4 January.

A bus replacement service will operate but some rail services will be allowed to run at busy times.

The station will be remodelled by 2013 to include five more platforms and two additional entrances.

Network Rail said: "We're working closely with First Great Western and other train operating companies to minimise the impact of this work on your journeys. There will be a frequent, efficient, replacement bus timetable, and plenty of staff on hand to help you on your journey."


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on July 12, 2010, 06:23:06 am
Going to be some interesting diversions on long distance services whilst this work takes place with West of England services diverted via Salisbury to Waterloo and Bristol/South Wales services operating via Banbury before heading down to Paddington.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on July 12, 2010, 10:23:14 am
will this be via yeovil or taunton


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on July 12, 2010, 11:03:58 am
I'd imagine that the up West of England services will run ususal route as far as Westbury, reverse then via Salisbury to Waterloo.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on July 12, 2010, 07:30:50 pm
I'd imagine that the up West of England services will run ususal route as far as Westbury, reverse then via Salisbury to Waterloo.
Think thats the plan. That way a near normal service can operate on the Waterloo-Exeter line and Tiverton, Taunton, Castle Cary and Westbury still get a direct service to London.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on July 15, 2010, 03:02:14 pm
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/berkshire/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8800000/8800604.stm):

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Network Rail explain work over Christmas in Reading

Christmas seems a while away, especially in the middle of summer. But Network Rail has announced there will be significant works on the tracks in Reading over the festive period. The works are part of the first phase of ^400m worth of planned rail developments in the town.

But how will train-users be affected?

"We've got two really important jobs to do over Christmas," David Wilson from Network Rail said. "We will modernise the signalling for the whole of the Reading area. That's a huge job, which we've started already and will complete at Christmas. We've also got to replace a railway bridge over Caversham Road, to make way for new track and platforms for the station above. So they are two massive jobs. It's the sort of job you can only do by taking possession of the railway and unfortunately impacting on passenger services for a period."

Service disruption

There will be no train services on Christmas and Boxing Day, and work will continue into the New Year, David explained. "Obviously on Christmas Day and Boxing Day there wouldn't normally be services anyway, that's why we are doing the work then. But then there are two further Bank Holidays after Christmas Day and Boxing Day because it falls on a weekend this year. So we will be working through those Bank Holidays and the next two days as well. A large amount of our work will be done by the 30th of December. Whilst that work is going on there will be bus services to take people to where they want to go. We will re-open the station on New Year's Eve because we are aware a lot of people will want to travel then, and then we will be doing some work on the New Year's weekend but some trains will be running."

Snow danger

There is a danger that bad weather might cause further disruption to the services. David explained that there is a contingency plan for that. "We are planning very carefully. Everyone saw what happened in Reading last Christmas. We are well aware of the impact of bad weather and making really good contingency plans, just in case we get snow or wind. We will be ready."

Reading Station will get the revamp by 2013 and work is currently underway on Caversham and Vastern Road bridges and on Napier Road.

"We are lucky with the Reading project," David said. "Our funding has been agreed. We've got that in the bag from the Government. Obviously, like any large construction projects at the moment, we are aware of the tough financial circumstances we are operating in and we're looking at the project to see how we can deliver it as efficiently as possible. But the Reading project is definitely going ahead."

Bottle neck

Mike Greedy from Passenger Focus, an independent watchdog, explained how the group is backing the plan.

"I think this is the only way of going about it. Reading is a national bottle neck for passengers. All of us using Reading find a severe disruption because of limitations on the infrastructure there. So this has got to be good news for passengers. We're satisfied they are doing this at the best time of year to cause the least disruption. We've been working very closely with Network Rail and First Great Western to make sure they have the best contingency plans because this must be re-opened for the start of business again on the 4th of January. Everyone is well aware of that and we're fairly confident they have the right plans in place to do this."



Winter 2010 services are as follows:

Christmas Day and Boxing Day - No services scheduled.

27 December to 30 December, 2010
- All train lines through Reading will be closed.

First Great Western will put on alternative transport for local services to, from and through Reading.

New Year's Eve - All routes will be open. A Bank Holiday service will operate including additional trains from London.

New Year's Day through to 3 January, 2011
- Long distance train services will run to and from London via diversionary routes. All other routes will be open, with a Bank Holiday service in operation.

Monday, 4 January - Normal scheduled trains services are expected to run.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 15, 2010, 04:27:13 pm
Does that seem to imply that diverted long distance services will only run over New Year weekend?

I.E. on the 27th -30th it'll be local bustitution only as they expect only minimal work travel during the intermediate week?  I'm not criticising, btw, I think they have discovered there is a major reduction in travel during that week in recent years, with a lot of businesses closing for the duration.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on July 16, 2010, 12:10:50 am
Does that seem to imply that diverted long distance services will only run over New Year weekend?

I.E. on the 27th -30th it'll be local bustitution only as they expect only minimal work travel during the intermediate week?  I'm not criticising, btw, I think they have discovered there is a major reduction in travel during that week in recent years, with a lot of businesses closing for the duration.

Paul

It's not as clear as it should be but bear in mind this is a BBC Berkshire report, aimed at people living in and around Reading, for whom all FGW services for most of the period affected will be bus-shaped, so what the diverted trains are up to is neither here not there for them.

The FGW website has a dedicated page giving details of what's going to happen http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=4888 and there are already posters up at stations warning people there will be work at Reading over Christmas and New Year.

Just hope the email update service is better organised than the one for the Cotswold Line work - if anything has been sent out by FGW since last summer, I haven't received it.


Title: Reading Blockade - Xmas 2010
Post by: A V Lowe on July 25, 2010, 11:30:42 am
Just looked at the FGW website - reading this about Reading you might imagine that the FGW blockade was only affecting the GW Main Line.  There is mention of just Didcot and Twyford.  Nothing about the SWT/North Downs route which could presumably continue to operate as I suspect Reading is an end-on junction at the interface between power boxes and a relatively simple connection to commission.

No mention either of the Newbury and Basingstoke routes and whether the XC services will still run via Didcot and the West curve to Basingstoke.  Presumably this is currently at T minus 26 stage of fine tuning the plans and filling in the details, preparing for the T minus 12 download to the National Timetable.

Almost worth inviting a contribution towards the Evergreen 3 Bicester-Oxford project as a diversionary route for the future albeit unlikely to deliver much in time for the substantially greater work taking place at Reading.  I also wonder if the West Curve connection to Basingstoke remains open, whether a '1-week' Workington North platform detail could save a substantial number of replacement coaches from Didcot , and put something at (or near) the proposed Green Park site.     


Title: Re: Reading Blockade - Xmas 2010
Post by: Electric train on July 25, 2010, 11:49:58 am
I believe that Reading will be blocked to all trains http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/7585.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/7585.aspx) not sure how this will affect cross-country trains but as the works over Christmas is the relocation of signaling from Reading Box to Didcot this will affect the whole of the immediate Reading area interlocking.



Title: Re: Reading Blockade - Xmas 2010
Post by: eightf48544 on July 25, 2010, 12:46:40 pm
As far as I know all routes around Reading (including West Curve and Winnersh) are out over Xmas.

The only sevice diversions I've heard about are some HSTs taking the Foxhall curve at Didcot and reversing at Banbury for Padd. I still need the Foxhall curve.

Whether XC would run via Salisbury and Bristol. But it would mean a lot of route learing unless they can hire in FGW pilotmen.


Title: Re: Reading Blockade - Xmas 2010
Post by: A V Lowe on July 25, 2010, 02:48:42 pm
I gather that WC will run from Waterloo and Cotswolds via Banbury may get more detail soon.  That still doesn't answer SWT and North Downs.


Title: Re: Reading Blockade - Xmas 2010
Post by: Oxman on July 25, 2010, 02:51:57 pm
Cross Country will stop/start at Didcot and Basingstoke. Coaches between Didcot and Reading, Reading and Basingstoke, and Didcot and Winchester (quicker and easier than Basingstoke).

SWT and North Downs will stop/start at Wokingham, coaches Reading - Wokingham.

Kennet Valley will stop/start Theale, coaches Theale and Reading.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: inspector_blakey on July 25, 2010, 05:18:11 pm
We've inadvertently ended up with two thread running on the work happening at Reading over Christmas. To keep all the info on thsi subject in one place, I've moved the original thread from the "London to Reading" board to "Across the West", since this will have a significant impact on FGW's high-speed and LTV operations. And I've merged in the thread started by A V Lowe. Hope that's reasonably clear to everyone!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 25, 2010, 11:30:40 pm
It's a little small, but here's a schematic diagram of the bus/train plans for Reading this Xmas:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4828616862_49fbb83192_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Mookiemoo on July 25, 2010, 11:33:13 pm
Worcester doesnt get 1TPH now - let alone then!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 26, 2010, 12:13:20 pm
No FGW into Waterloo then.   :o

That was never any more than rumour anyway.  It hasn't ever been mentioned in the NR 'rules of the route' for the period of the blockade. 

I suppose there's still a possibility that Exeter - Waterloo services get strengthened to maximum length?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Ollie on July 26, 2010, 12:32:21 pm
FGW will be serving Waterloo during the blockade. But only with West of England services.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 26, 2010, 01:20:02 pm
FGW will be serving Waterloo during the blockade. But only with West of England services.

Is that map wrong already then? It clearly shows the 1 tph WoE via Didcot and Banbury, and a Taunton - Theale.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 26, 2010, 01:41:45 pm
It first surfaced about 6 months ago, so may well have been updated or changed since then.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on July 26, 2010, 01:49:39 pm
Or that map has superceded the one Ollie refers to?....

I prefer to think the mapo on thwe previous page is old - that they realised that 1tph to cover both WoE AND Bristol was just not do-able in terms of capacity and went away to re-think....

I understand that both Wales & Bristol services come via Banbury (well, one actually reverses at BAN, the other with reverse in a turn-back to be constructed at Aynho Junction, hence the crossover mentioned in another thread...) and down the Chiltern to PAD...

The WoE services to go via Waterloo.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on July 26, 2010, 06:11:44 pm
I prefer to think the map on the previous page is old - that they realised that 1tph to cover both WoE AND Bristol was just not do-able in terms of capacity and went away to re-think....
Asking for trouble combining Bristol with WoE IMHO so good job they are thinking again.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on July 26, 2010, 08:32:37 pm
As I understand it:

Hourly services between:

Padd - Bristol, via Banbury (not for passenger use), Oxford (pick up/set down) and Foxhall, not calling Didcot.
Padd - Swansea, as above.
West Country - Exeter - Taunton - Westbury - Salisbury - Waterloo
North Cots - Didcot (ok, maybe not every hour)
Cheltenham - Didcot
Bristol - Bath - Westbury - Newbury - Theale.

Should be fun!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on July 26, 2010, 08:41:35 pm
So, those from Cheltenham have to change @ Swindon to pick up the Bristol / Swanseas in order to get to London?

And North Cotswolds pick up the same trains @ Oxford, I guess?

With no direct London services for Didcot?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on July 26, 2010, 09:09:30 pm
Correct


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Ollie on July 26, 2010, 09:12:34 pm
I have several maps similar to the one posted. With varying service levels based on the date during the blockade.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on July 26, 2010, 10:38:35 pm
May well be able to manage an hourly Cotswold service for the duration, as presumably it will be Turbos anyway and fewer will be needed in the Thames Valley with no Oxford semi-fasts to cover.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 27, 2010, 07:53:05 pm
Meanwhile, there's still absolutely no sign of any physical works at Banbury connected with this turnback provision for platforms 1 and 2.  Only five months to go, so I would expect things to start happening imminently, or it'll be a rush job!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on July 27, 2010, 09:45:19 pm
Should be do-able in a weekend.....

The turn-back at Aynho Junction will take longer, I reckon - there's some major line closures in early November - Friday 5th for the weekend. I reckon that'll be it....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 28, 2010, 02:41:09 am
Should be do-able in a weekend.....

The turn-back at Aynho Junction will take longer, I reckon - there's some major line closures in early November - Friday 5th for the weekend. I reckon that'll be it....

I'd have expected to see bases for signals appearing and other preliminary work before the actual commissioning soon though.  As for Aynho, is the turn-back going to be a separate siding off of the main line?  If not, there's already a position light signal on the Down Main, so I presume that's simply going to be changed to a main aspect signal?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on July 28, 2010, 09:01:16 am
As for Aynho, is the turn-back going to be a separate siding off of the main line? 

As I understood it from our local NR Manager, yes.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 28, 2010, 10:29:53 am
OK, thanks Chris.  That will indeed be a bigger job then - though hopefully mostly non-disruptive.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 28, 2010, 08:41:27 pm
I have my doubts about this being a siding, the network change proposal of Jan 2010 describes the work as:

"Upgrade of Existing Signals to Main Signals to Provide a Turn Back Capability".

In their response to the proposal, DB Schenker wrote:

"Whilst understanding the usefulness of the proposed facilities as a way of providing through access between the Didcot and Paddington areas during periods when direct routes via Reading are unavailable, DB Schenker has some concerns over the use of the crossover at Aynho Junction on account of the periods during which the drivers will be changing ends on the Down Line and northbound paths for other traffic will be unavailable. DB Schenker wishes to see evidence of robust timetable planning which maintains the availability of paths for other traffic using the route."

So as I said, that doesn't sound like a siding, of course things could have changed since then.  Unfortunately NR only rarely publish the drawings that go with their Network Change proposals...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on July 29, 2010, 09:34:08 am
You're right - that sounds like a turn-back on the down line, utilising the crossover that Chiltern are putting in under EG3. :o

This will also require trackside running boards as the driver changes ends *outside* of the HST...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 29, 2010, 11:25:05 am
Ah, OK - I did think a siding was a bit extravagant!  There is already a crossing there (albeit a slower speed one than the Evergreen 3 project will provide), so, for this Xmas at least, I expect that will be utilised and a simple upgrade of the position light signal to a main aspect signal.  Trains having reversed there could then access the Chiltern Line via that crossing.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on July 29, 2010, 12:03:30 pm
Isn't the current one in the wrong direction (up to down?)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: anthony215 on July 29, 2010, 05:06:54 pm
Any idea what stock is to work this service:

Bristol - Bath - Westbury - Newbury - Theale

I know it may be possible for a class 165/166 to be used since they used to run Bristol to Oxford


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: grahame on July 29, 2010, 05:19:39 pm
Any idea what stock is to work this service:

Bristol - Bath - Westbury - Newbury - Theale

I know it may be possible for a class 165/166 to be used since they used to run Bristol to Oxford

It would need to be 125 / 142 / 143 / 150 / 153 / 158

165 / 166 not cleared between Bath and Westbury


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 29, 2010, 06:25:33 pm
Isn't the current one in the wrong direction (up to down?)

No, it's from the down to the up as you face towards London, so to reverse a train would run beyond the signal (that's being upgraded from a position light), the driver would change ends, and then move via the crossing to the Up Main (then either Up Main, the Up Loop, or the Up Chiltern Line).  There's a farm overbridge directly over where the signal is located.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on July 29, 2010, 06:35:35 pm
Bristol - Theale will be HSTs, with a temporary platform built at Theale to accomodate.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on July 29, 2010, 07:08:24 pm
253/4 can work the chiltern line


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: qwerty on July 30, 2010, 04:03:10 pm
This will also require trackside running boards as the driver changes ends *outside* of the HST...

Safe walking Route. Any place where Drivers change end outside the train will be risk assessed and approved as part of the project. The safe walking route can be the cess if it is level and no adjacent running line.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 30, 2010, 05:15:10 pm
Might it not be quicker and safer to 'double man' the trains between Oxford and wherever?

It's only for a few days after all, with a much reduced number of services, AIUI.  Apparently this was the solution agreed with Virgin when they were diverting their double and triple Voyagers via the Chilterns which had a couple of reversals into Euston...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Tim on July 30, 2010, 05:27:22 pm
This will also require trackside running boards as the driver changes ends *outside* of the HST...

Safe walking Route. Any place where Drivers change end outside the train will be risk assessed and approved as part of the project. The safe walking route can be the cess if it is level and no adjacent running line.



Can't the driver change ends inside the train?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on July 30, 2010, 05:34:52 pm
Driver still has to do a lamp check at each end though.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on July 30, 2010, 05:45:35 pm
This will also require trackside running boards as the driver changes ends *outside* of the HST...

Safe walking Route. Any place where Drivers change end outside the train will be risk assessed and approved as part of the project. The safe walking route can be the cess if it is level and no adjacent running line.



Can't the driver change ends inside the train?
oooo too much like hard work scrabbling through a packed and standing train


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Ollie on July 30, 2010, 09:11:19 pm
oooo too much like hard work scrabbling through a packed and standing train
Or perhaps it's quicker, than walking through the train when it has passengers on it..
As said driver will need to get off anyway to check lights at each end..


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 31, 2010, 01:05:32 am
If it was a Turbo (2 or 3-car) they'd probably change ends without leaving the train ('proving' lights in the cab confirm what the head/tail lights are showing).  Although it is possible to change ends on a HST without leaving the train, you'd have to be pretty desperate to want to do so, as squeezing through the engine room of two cabs with engines blaring away would not be pleasant on either the heat or noise front!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: woody on July 31, 2010, 09:57:18 am
FGW will be serving Waterloo during the blockade. But only with West of England services.
Read on another forum that quote "A notice has gone up that the guards will be starting route learning soon."
Can anyone confirm or deny?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on August 02, 2010, 11:30:39 am
The reversals at Aynho will have to wait, I suspect!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: onthecushions on August 26, 2010, 06:55:50 pm

Slight deviation.

Alighting at Reading last night off the 1922 to Hereford, in the midst of a downpour, many customers had to leap through sheets of water overflowing from the unmaintained platform canopy gutters. No pensioners fortunately (except me!). Thoughtfully, the gutters contrived to overflow at just the 23 m car lengths needed and the train drew up so that the doors were precisely sited under the respective Niagaras.

Risking prosecution (you may be accused of swearing etc), I suggested to platform staff, including a supervisor that this was a safety issue as customers could not step down safely and water was flowing freely down both sides of the open doors into the electric locking mechanism...

I was told that it was a Network Rail station and that nothing would be done as it was all to be rebuilt. It wasn't a safety issue of course, until someone was injured....

If all NR and FGW's horses and men can't economically attach a gutter to a bargeboard at the right fall and keep the downpipe clear, then we are wasting our time thinking of new stations, electrification etc.

Isn't Reading General is a FGW site?

OTC


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on August 26, 2010, 07:42:20 pm
Reading station is leased from NR by FGW. NR are responsible for maintenance of the canopies.

Its unlikely that the gutter is the problem. In common with many other stations the drains are just not adequate in a torrential downpoor - rain water backs up, and overflows from the gutters. You probably noticed that the back of platform 4 becomes a lake as water floods out of the drainpipes and the drain is unable to cope.

We can only hope that the rebuild starts some way underground, with adequate drainage!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 27, 2010, 01:10:42 am
In common with many other stations the drains are just not adequate in a torrential downpoor - rain water backs up, and overflows from the gutters.

And not just stations - the drainage on many public buildings/surfaces can't cope with some of the heaviest bursts of rain like some of the stuff that was coming down from the heavens last night.  Like with the safety hazards that heavy snowfall cause - I'm thinking back to the fact that some pavements were icy hazards for well over a week last winter - I think you just have to shrug your shoulders and accept that certain conditions will inevitably cause your own safety to be compromised slightly on occasions.  Look on the bright side, at least you weren't trying to pitch a tent at Reading festival!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ReWind on August 27, 2010, 09:11:47 am
A bit like platform 7 at Bristol TM then.  ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: SDS on August 28, 2010, 12:54:11 am
You should see PAD when it rains.
plat 3 london end under the massively huge roof, it leaks badly.
plat 1 country end it is a downpour.
plat 6/7 are fine, but thats cos hex get what they want.
plat 8/9 is a running river
10 is fine
11 turns into a river, right where the pax run for trains.
13/14 being rebuilt by crossrail.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on August 28, 2010, 10:07:07 am
You should see PAD when it rains.
plat 3 london end under the massively huge roof, it leaks badly.
plat 1 country end it is a downpour.
plat 6/7 are fine, but thats cos hex get what they want.
plat 8/9 is a running river
10 is fine
11 turns into a river, right where the pax run for trains.
13/14 being rebuilt by crossrail.

The roof at Padd deals with heavy rain quite well given the age of it's drainage, part of the problem is and always has been is the way the Victorians built the drains, the pipes away from the down pipes (the down pipes are internal to the columns) are too small and have bends that silt up quickly.  When I first worked at Padd in the late 70's the District Civil Engineer had a team of men who spent quite a lot of their year cleaning out the roof gutters and gullies
To modify the drainage would mean virtually digging the whole station up this one reason way 6 & 7 is dryer because the drains were renewed when the HEX (now disused) baggage tunnel was built


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: smokey on August 28, 2010, 10:40:42 am
Reading station is leased from NR by FGW. NR are responsible for maintenance of the canopies.

Its unlikely that the gutter is the problem. In common with many other stations the drains are just not adequate in a torrential downpoor - rain water backs up, and overflows from the gutters. You probably noticed that the back of platform 4 becomes a lake as water floods out of the drainpipes and the drain is unable to cope.

We can only hope that the rebuild starts some way underground, with adequate drainage!

On today's Railway whilst NR own the Stations maintenance, painting etc is done by FGW or it's contractors up to I believe 2.5 m high then NR take over Except for lighting and Guttering which is a FGW problem, but as there is no FGW maintenance programm to keep guttering clean problems occur.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on August 28, 2010, 12:00:20 pm
But if you point out there are problems with blocked gutters to them, they usually do something about. I emailed FGW customer services about water pouring through the platform 2 canopy at Oxford in several places early this year or late last year and the next time I was there when there was a torrential downpour (only a week or two later) it was clear someone had been up top and cleared the gutters and fallpipes.

Paddington is entirely NR's responsibility as a major station. Presumably matters at the platforms under under span four will be improved by the current restoration work and removal of the crash deck.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: onthecushions on August 29, 2010, 10:45:01 pm

It's one thing for customers to get wet when it rains.

It's quite another to make them pass through a vertical sheet of water caused by neglect.

Just removing the canopy gutters would reduce the problem, as water would not then be chanelled from a wide area onto the carriage doorways.

Today's Engineers seem lost if something can't be done by Autocad, Microsoft Project, or FEA.

Well done at Paddington for trying, though

Drying nicely,

OTC



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 30, 2010, 11:08:57 am
Presumably matters at the platforms under under span four will be improved by the current restoration work and removal of the crash deck.

At the moment there's not really a roof over span 4 to speak of whilst it's being renovated.  Temporary plastic and metal sheeting is stopping the worst of the water getting through, but there are a few spots which are really bad when it rains, and the contractors have their staff constantly clearing water off of the platforms when it has rained heavily.  This time next year the place will be transformed though and hopefully it'll be nice and dry because those nice shiny tiled slabs on the floor and water don't mix too well.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on August 30, 2010, 03:22:56 pm
Presumably matters at the platforms under under span four will be improved by the current restoration work and removal of the crash deck.
This time next year the place will be transformed though and hopefully it'll be nice and dry because those nice shiny tiled slabs on the floor and water don't mix too well.

Them nice shiny slabs are French Limestone, very expensive, when the station was being refurbed for the HEX project the Architects did not like Yorkstone great grip but no shine you see, it does look better than the 1980's BR aberration of Terrazzo


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 30, 2010, 03:41:26 pm
Yes it has a very attractive finish and a few of the newly tiled areas that have been uncovered show a perfect match with the older ones.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on September 15, 2010, 10:23:08 pm
Found a letter on NR's website all about the diversions over Christmas/New Year:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/network%20change/current%20proposals/reading%20redevelopment/reading%20programme/fgw%20vehicle%20change%20proposal%20reading%20diversions%2027%2008%2010.pdf (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/network%20change/current%20proposals/reading%20redevelopment/reading%20programme/fgw%20vehicle%20change%20proposal%20reading%20diversions%2027%2008%2010.pdf)

Indicates amongst other things that all diversionary routes will be pretty generously timed.

Hope this is of interest to someone...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on September 16, 2010, 06:22:57 am
Very interesting, thanks for posting this Paul. There hasn't been much info released about the Reading closure to date so this is useful.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on September 16, 2010, 10:06:42 am
There won't be, until both the timetable and bus arrangements are complete, sometime next month.

The Customer Panel are likely to be briefed towards the middle of October & I'll of course report back once that's happened.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on September 27, 2010, 01:17:21 am
Journey planners now have times live for the week between Christmas and New Year, so you can get an idea of services during the Reading closure.

Two trains per hour between Oxford and London via the Chiltern Line, timings are for 1hr 58 towards London and 1hr 45 the other way, so with all Chiltern and W&S's services as well, it will be pretty busy between Banbury and Ruislip.

One train per hour between the West Country and Waterloo, with 3hrs 26mins allowed for Taunton to Waterloo and 3hrs 3mins the other way.

Not clear whether the timing differences are down to pathing issues on the diversion routes, or whether our old friend Mr Padding has reared his head as well.

NB On further study, should qualify that by saying some times for that week are in the FGW journey planner - but not on National Rail yet - and while FGW's site will give the two sample journeys given above, it refuses to offer any suggestions for Moreton-in-Marsh to London at present, so looks like not all timings are sorted out for connecting routes yet.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2010, 09:32:44 am
M-i-M to LOndon will be a change at Oxford into one of the Chiltern diversion trains.

THe Chiltern TT is being reduced to 2 tph between London & Banbury to make room for the HSTs.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on September 27, 2010, 10:31:12 am
M-i-M to LOndon will be a change at Oxford into one of the Chiltern diversion trains.

Chris, I'm aware of the need to change if doing MIM-PAD over that period but just noted that no details of it were in the system yet, in case anyone else was looking for a journey that week that didn't involve using the diverted direct trains, which, based on a few quick searches last night, appeared to be all that had been uploaded to the website so far. Eg searching for MIM-WOS that week came up blank too.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on September 27, 2010, 10:35:25 am
You might be, others may not be....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on September 27, 2010, 02:51:40 pm
One train per hour between the West Country and Waterloo, with 3hrs 26mins allowed for Taunton to Waterloo and 3hrs 3mins the other way.

There was only 10 mins difference between Westbury and Waterloo when I checked earlier, so that 23 min suggests there's a wait somewhere west of, or more likely at Westbury.   Presumably they'll have to fit in around other services there anyway but I expect the 10 min up/down difference will be the normal extra time to enter Waterloo.  Note that the TAA I linked to earlier suggests they are using 158/9 timings in the SW area, ie 90 mph.

Paul

Edited, because as written earlier it seemed like a contradiction...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on September 27, 2010, 06:33:14 pm
You might be, others may not be....

Sorry to labour the point. What I was trying to get across was that what I initially posted suggested that all the timetable was uploaded, as I had only tried the Oxford and Taunton journeys at that point. I amended the post later to point out that information for other journeys wasn't there yet - and still isn't - in case someone was looking for a journey, got no answer from the FGW site and thought I was talking nonsense about the timetable being online. Hope that's clear.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 27, 2010, 08:31:34 pm
No problem, willc - thanks for your clarification.  :)

(I'm sure nobody here would have thought you could ever talk nonsense on the subject, though.)  ;) :D ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: anthony215 on October 02, 2010, 05:42:19 pm
A timetable for the  Penzance - Plymouth - Westbury - London Waterloo servie has been posted up on uk railforums:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=505152#post505152

More details on that thread


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 02, 2010, 07:47:49 pm
Note:  That link does not work for those of us who are not members of RailUK forums.  ::)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on October 02, 2010, 08:09:11 pm
And the timetable shown on said link is in no way an official release.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: anthony215 on October 02, 2010, 09:46:45 pm
Note:  That link does not work for those of us who are not members of RailUK forums.  ::)

Oops sorry, I forgot about that. As for the timetable, I thought it was a bit strange,


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 02, 2010, 11:23:21 pm
And the timetable shown on said link is in no way an official release.

It's probably a direct crib from the journey planners, (he did the same a week or two back for the XC Southampton extensions); so about as accurate as anything could be at the moment, pending any last minute revisions to the TSDB. 

I think they're unlikely to chnage much now...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 04, 2010, 09:58:29 am
It's attached to this post for anyone that wants to see it...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: XPT on October 04, 2010, 06:26:11 pm
A timetable for the  Penzance - Plymouth - Westbury - London Waterloo servie has been posted up on uk railforums:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=505152#post505152

More details on that thread

The timings of these services are a little different to the timings that are back on the FGW site.  The services out of London Waterloo depart at xx:26, with the first service departing at 1026.

The timings for the services to and from Bristol and South Wales are back online on FGW too.

Just a couple of weeks now before cheap advance tickets on these services are bookable.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 04, 2010, 08:15:16 pm
BUT....those timings twixt WAterloo & Basingstoke! Around 90 minutes!??


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on October 04, 2010, 08:22:30 pm
Despite the timings, (which may not be finalised) it's still a darn site better than a rail replacement bus.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 04, 2010, 08:26:10 pm
SWT do it generally in 45-50 minutes....ok, I realise the HSTs are going the long way round, but nevertheless, 90 minutes? Just hpw long will they sit at Basingstoke?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 04, 2010, 09:15:11 pm
I did mention in an earlier post that up trains had 10 mins of extra time over down trains between BAS and WAT, and we also know they are timed as 158/159s; it is already known that they're taking the long way round via Staines, and as far as Barnes Jn they'll be pathed in amongst other SWT services, either via Feltham or Hounslow.

Comparing that with SWT's timings whenever they make the same diversion (which is happening again this weekend by chance) would confirm they are using the usual diversionary timings.  The SWT website explains that this weekend mainline services will run in their normal times west of Woking, but depart from Waterloo half an hour earlier, (and vice versa).  Interestingly, to make this happen the Windsor service gets thinned out to make room - I haven't heard of that happening during the Reading blockade.

Here's the DMU diversion timings for example:

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/uploads/101024woe.pdf (http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/uploads/101024woe.pdf)

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Fish on October 04, 2010, 09:15:49 pm
They are also due to stop at Clapham Junction, though hopefully not for 40 minutes or there would be gridlock!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 04, 2010, 11:40:08 pm
Without the working book it is difficult to judge I assumme the HSTs are sloted in between the stoppers and semi fasts. Ideally in the slot before both.

Be interesting to see the graph between Virgina Water and Feltham Junction which is the bottle neck. I imagine they'll be running on yellows most of the way.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on October 05, 2010, 07:35:51 am
A timetable for the  Penzance - Plymouth - Westbury - London Waterloo servie has been posted up on uk railforums:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?p=505152#post505152

More details on that thread

The timings of these services are a little different to the timings that are back on the FGW site.  The services out of London Waterloo depart at xx:26, with the first service departing at 1026.

The timings for the services to and from Bristol and South Wales are back online on FGW too.

Just a couple of weeks now before cheap advance tickets on these services are bookable.

It would appear that the xx26 timings are the bank holiday times (27th and 28th), and those xx33 timings are the normal weekday timings.

SWT do it generally in 45-50 minutes....ok, I realise the HSTs are going the long way round, but nevertheless, 90 minutes? Just hpw long will they sit at Basingstoke?

FGW services are restricted to the slow lines all the way because there are something like 25 bridges that would require strengthening for a HST power car to go over them on the fast lines.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 05, 2010, 01:59:20 pm
FGW services are restricted to the slow lines all the way because there are something like 25 bridges that would require strengthening for a HST power car to go over them on the fast lines.

In fact the oppposite is probably true.

If you read the NR document I linked to a while ago (15th Sept) it reports that:

"Around twenty minutes pathing time exists in both up and down Waterloo paths giving robust headroom, including for any speed restriction that may be necessary at the one remaining bridge under gauging assessment between Basingstoke and Byfleet Junction."

It also says that:

"No additional speed restrictions through gauging are expected except between Basingstoke and Byfleet Junction where routing via the slow lines will result in slow speed over two underbridges, however trains are timetabled over the fast lines where no restriction applies.

That first paragraph alone answers most of the last few comments about the slack timings...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 05, 2010, 02:03:05 pm
Thanks - that answers my question - there could be up to 20 minutes hanging around at Basingstoke. Time plenty for a smoke then....:-)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: readytostart on October 05, 2010, 02:13:49 pm
Thanks - that answers my question - there could be up to 20 minutes hanging around at Basingstoke. Time plenty for a smoke then....:-)

Just remember it's pick up / set down only at BSK, if you get off coming in from the West Country they might not let you back on!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 05, 2010, 02:27:39 pm
good point!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on October 07, 2010, 08:16:20 pm
I've noticed work taking place on bridges both the East and the West of the station. To the East, over Vastern Rd what look to me like preparatory work for a new bridge next to the Waterloo lines has been done, which I'd assumed was for the extended platforms and third platform there. To the West, over Caversham Rd, two old sections of bridge have been taken away on the northern side of the tracks.

Now, I'd got the impression from Rail that during the Christmas possession one of these bridges, Caversham Rd I think, is to be completely replaced, which I'd assumed to mean the whole width, including lines still in use. But I don't see why this would be needed for the Caversham Rd bridge, as the old sections of bridge have already been demolished, so I'm unclear why the rest of the bridge would have to go? And when will the new Waterloo line bridge be installed?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 07, 2010, 11:21:05 pm
The moral of the story?  Don't necessarily rely on 'Rail' for accuracy. AFAICS Network Rail explain it is only the northern two spans that are to be replaced:

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-RAIL-BRIDGE-REMOVAL-PREPARES-GROUND-FOR-CHRISTMAS-WORKS-1576/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-RAIL-BRIDGE-REMOVAL-PREPARES-GROUND-FOR-CHRISTMAS-WORKS-1576/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx)

I reckon what they are doing is putting in a much wider span at the north side only, so that they can relay the relief lines further north in due course.  Then they'll have room to do more changes to the track layout on the remaining spans.  A sketch I have indicates that there will be 11 tracks over the bridge, there are 8 at the moment.

PS...   Comparing that right hand picture on NR's press release with Google Maps, it looks as though they have filled in that small space at the east side of Caversham Rd, ie between the road and end of the old viaduct shown being used as a carpark - perhaps about a 20ft square space?  That'll give quite a bit of extra width (from the rail perspective)...

Paul

(BTW - isn't it odd that this was in NR's London and Southeast, not the Wales and West area of the media section...)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 07, 2010, 11:32:35 pm
(BTW - isn't it odd that this was in NR's London and Southeast, not the Wales and West area of the media section...)

Thanks, Paul - that would perhaps help to explain why I didn't pick that up, in my regular trawl for news items relating to the FGW area ... ???


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 07, 2010, 11:49:33 pm
Quote
(BTW - isn't it odd that this was in NR's London and Southeast, not the Wales and West area of the media section...)

Just the way that the NR press offices operation is organised. London and Southeast covers roughly the old BR Network South East area. Wales and West is everything west of Didcot. There is some crossover, eg Cotswold Line is normally an L&SE route in news terms but redoubling project news is handled by Wales and West, as the project team and the Wales and West press officer are based in Swindon.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 08, 2010, 09:59:17 am
The moral of the story?  Don't necessarily rely on 'Rail' for accuracy.

Or Modern Railways.....at last, others are realising what I worked out a while ago - that they are trawling these & other boards and Newsgroups for their editorial, and running stories without checking with press offices.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 08, 2010, 05:18:34 pm
Had a look at the concrete work at the north end of the Caversham Road bridge this morning.
The 'block in the corner' I mentioned earlier seems to add about 25ft to that side's abutment (along the line of the road), and on the west side of the road between the fire station and the railway there is reinforced concrete piling in place to form the foundations for another new abutment, probably about 15-20 ft wide as well, so I guess the S&C for the track 'fan out' to the eventual platforms 14 and 15 will start some way to the west of the bridge.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on October 08, 2010, 08:20:48 pm
...
I reckon what they are doing is putting in a much wider span at the north side only, so that they can relay the relief lines further north in due course.  Then they'll have room to do more changes to the track layout on the remaining spans.  A sketch I have indicates that there will be 11 tracks over the bridge, there are 8 at the moment.

PS...   Comparing that right hand picture on NR's press release with Google Maps, it looks as though they have filled in that small space at the east side of Caversham Rd, ie between the road and end of the old viaduct shown being used as a carpark - perhaps about a 20ft square space?  That'll give quite a bit of extra width (from the rail perspective)...

Paul
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That certainly seems likely, though the Google picture also shows quite a big gap between the fast and relief lines over the bridge, so I wonder if they plan to fill that as well, if you think there's 3 more tracks to go in?

Does anyone know more about what is planned on the Vastern Rd bridge, where the extra Waterloo platform is going in?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 08, 2010, 09:30:56 pm
I'll try and describe what it ends up like, as I haven't a detailed linkable drawing to hand.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6341.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6341.aspx)  gives an idea but it's important to note it doesn't show all the tracks.  (If someone has a better drawing link please put it up, thanks.)

At the moment you have the three fast lines between P4 and P5, but there will eventually be just two tracks there, a 'down Newbury' through P7, (the current P4 built out), and a down fast P8 (current P5) and a second down fast P9, being roughly where the current P8 is.   A second island allows for two up fast lines through P10/11.

There will also be four relief line platforms and tracks, another two islands.

So ignoring the four southern most tracks as seen on Google for a moment, then you've basically got seven more lines south to north across the site, one in hte rough position of the current P8, (down relief) then three more islands with six tracks.

I'm assuming that the bridge they're about to install at Christmas will definitely carry at least two tracks towards the up relief island, possibly a third for the P13 down relief.  I also assume that the southern four tracks will be in roughly the same position as now, so the remaining current spans will need to carry four or five tracks.

However what would be really useful to see is a scale drawing of the completed station, but all I've ever seen are schematics, which don't really give you the relative positions of the four finished island platforms, although I have heard that the current P10 will be remodelled and extended west to form the new P11, if that makes sense. 

It wouldn't surprise me if a few more bridge spans get repositioned slightly, even if they aren't replaced, and of course there'll have to be a number of transitional layouts, for instance the two new island platforms will be built first, P12/13 and P14/15.  Once they are in use they'll have a huge amount of working space between the mains and reliefs to play with.

All I know about Vastern Rd is that there will be two tracks splitting into three platform lines somewhere east of the bridge, the platforms cross the bridge, and it is all very tight between the existing railway boundary and the various buildings...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on October 08, 2010, 10:03:57 pm
Thanks Paul,

I've seen the Network Rail diagram, but as you say it is only schematic and it is hard to relate it to what is going on there at the moment. Indeed, looking from trains when passing through it is very hard to see how  another two island platforms will fit on the other side of the current p9/10!

I've been watching the work going on on the eastern side of Vastern Rd from my train as I commute to Wokingham. As you say, it is very squeezed, particularly now that large new office block has been constructed. It looks like they've started to build a retaining wall from where the new section of bridge will end, back to the current trackbed, presumably this will then be filled in to create the new trackbed. The new concrete abutment that has been built is currently at the same level as the footpath at the top of that bank, well below the level of the track, so I'm assuming the new bridge will have quite a high support structure on top of the concrete base.

Yesterday it looked like the traffic has now been moved away from the western side of the road, presumably so that piling can start on the other side.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 09, 2010, 11:04:48 am
Indeed, looking from trains when passing through it is very hard to see how  another two island platforms will fit on the other side of the current p9/10!

It is going to be a bit of a squeeze, but don't forget that the brick buildings which house the current panel box and equipment will all be demolished along with parking spaces, so there's just enough room.  The extension to 4A/B and the third 'southern' platform will be an incredibly tight fit.

It's worth looking at a close-up in Google Earth, as there's an 8-car train in Platform 4b which gives you a very good idea how far the 12-car length platforms will be, extending all the way over Vastern Road.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 09, 2010, 12:12:08 pm
Although perhaps not given a much publicity as the new mainline platforms and flyovers the third "Southern" Platform will be a big improvement for pasengers on the Waterloo and North Downs services. Giving as it does a 3rd platform and more importantly eliminating the single track bottleneck over Vastern Road bridge.

Sometime back they (NSE?) managed to derail a train on the bridge. Total chaos for the electric services.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on October 09, 2010, 12:16:22 pm
................. and its all being built Crossrail "friendly"


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 09, 2010, 12:26:47 pm
................. and its all being built Crossrail "friendly"

Let's hope that in the spending review Crossrail isn't given the go ahead to Maidenhead and GWML electrification is posponed.

Which means they will spend millions on the turnback sidings at Maidenhead which will be totally unecessary once the wires reach Reading. One option I've heard (unsubstantiated) is that Crossrail's Central  London Tunnel and the Eastern links will go ahead, but the wires will only be extended to West Drayton which is currently a designated turnback point.

This actually makes a lot of sense as it causes less damage to the Reading to Ealing Broadway local services than splitting at Maidenhead.

You can have a mixed semifast/stopping  servce Reading Hayes Ealing Padd (as today) and an all stations West Drayton Shenfied/Abbey Wood. However, they'd probably have to cut down to 20tph through the tunnel.
 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on October 09, 2010, 04:00:57 pm
There is NO reduction in the planned Crossrail stations, the significant change is on the Abbey Wood branch where third rail is going to be used on the surface and the Connaught tunnel (form North Woolwich line).

Even if Crossrail reaches Reading and the GWML is electrified as far as Oxford it could still make sense terminating local stoppers at Maidenhead with a similar service pattern used before the Heathrow Connect days with the terminating at Slough.  Currently the XX:42 is caught up by the XX:57 at Maidenhead likewise the XX:12 is caught by the XX:27 at Maidenhead.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 09, 2010, 08:58:46 pm
There is NO reduction in the planned Crossrail stations, the significant change is on the Abbey Wood branch where third rail is going to be used on the surface and the Connaught tunnel (form North Woolwich line).

There's been so many mainstream media 'what ifs' about Crossrail it was difficult to keep track - IIRC one fairly respected newspaper mentioned doing away with 'one or two of the western branches' which sounded odd at the time because both of the branches are already built, ie the Heathrow branch, and the existing GWML reliefs. Not sure how that removal would have worked.   ???

But anyway, having an AC/DC changeover, possibly during the Custom House stop, makes some sense. AIUI much of the refurbishment planned for the Connaught tunnel was to do with increasing clearance for overhead electrification by lowering the track bed.  A decision to go back to third rail through there puts some more flesh on the bones of recent stories about 'reusing existing infrastructure in Docklands'...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 09, 2010, 11:36:07 pm
Sorry to disagree with you electric train but stopping Crossrail short at Maidenhead completely disrupts large passenger flows from Reading to intermeadiate stations.

There is a very counterflow from East of Maidenhead into Reading and equally there is a heavy flow from Reading (and West thereof) and Twyford (plus Henley) to stations East of Maidenhead in particualr Slough Hayes and Ealing Broadway. All these passengers who currently enjoy athrough train will have to change.

For instance currently with one change at Reading you can to an aweful lot of places from Taplow. To add a change one stop down the line doesn't make rail tavel attractive especialy as many will be leisure journies with luggage.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 10, 2010, 10:33:30 am
If anyone wants to get a feel for the areas being talked about at Reading station, there are quite a few pictures in this forum thread on pages three and four.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 10, 2010, 08:32:54 pm
A very good map - the most detailed I've seen is on page 4, too.  I'm intending to do a series of pictures showing the transformation at Reading over the coming years (at roughly 6 monthly intervals) , in a similar style to ones I have done at Bicester North.  I will share them on here of course.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 11, 2010, 09:59:17 am
Where are the Bicester North ones?....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 11, 2010, 10:54:11 am
You can find them here, Chris.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=7250.30 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=7250.30)

I'll add a third picture in a couple of months when all is finished at Bicester North.  For Reading I plan to visit the same ten or so spots every six months to record the changes over the next five years or so until the scheme is complete and slowly produce a mosaic and slideshow of the changes.  Some of the locations (such as the overbridge) will become inaccessible after a couple of years, but others, such as the multi-storey car park and the current platform 4 should be available throughout.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 11, 2010, 01:14:25 pm
A very good map - the most detailed I've seen is on page 4, too. 


I have an earlier small combined version of that 'phase 1 and phase 2 diagram', unfortunately I printed it (without ever saving) straight from a masssive online report that I've never been able to find since - it was labelled up as a 'Corus Rail' drawing! 

Thanks to 'Skyscraper city' then, as that version is now safely stored on my PC, it's possibly the most detailed source I've seen anywhere.  Will still keep a lookout for a geographically correct drawing, one will probably surface eventually...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Fish on October 13, 2010, 08:45:49 pm
Although perhaps not given a much publicity as the new mainline platforms and flyovers the third "Southern" Platform will be a big improvement for pasengers on the Waterloo and North Downs services. Giving as it does a 3rd platform and more importantly eliminating the single track bottleneck over Vastern Road bridge.

My information from our Network Rail Liaison Manager some 4-5 weeks ago is that the 3rd Platform is likely to be shelved due to the cuts.  However, all the preparation work is to go ahead so it can be installed if there is a change of heart subsequently.  Pretty much all the rest of the station development is secure.  However, there are likely to be cuts to the development of the new depot.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 13, 2010, 08:52:02 pm
To be honest, the third southern platform is a bit of a luxury, so if anything was to be cut from the scheme then I would agree it should be that.  Provided that the single feed into the platforms is doubled, the platforms are extended to 12-car, and the fly-under is reopened allowing grade separated access to the new high numbered platforms, there should be plenty of capacity.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 13, 2010, 11:27:36 pm
Also, if the oft-rumoured joining of some Gatwick and 'west of Reading' services via the new relief platforms ever happened, two platforms for SWT would remain perfectly adequate.  As long as the Vastern Rd overbridge is made wide enough for the 3rd paltform and track the rest of the job will presumably be straightforward - although it has been repeatedly said that access to teh site is pretty constrained so it makes practical sense to do the whole job at once.  Maybe the half way house is to do the civils only, and leave the platform structure til later?

Of course in the future they might even be able to shift the responsibility and get BAA to pay for it from their Airtrack budget...

(BTW, and to save a new thread, the extra platform at Gatwick was given the go ahead today (on NR's London and SE press release page). The relevance to FGW is that it potentially makes paths available for the Reading Gatwick service at the other end...)

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 14, 2010, 09:32:45 am
Oxford - Gatwick trains are very much part of the equation for after the upgrade.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 14, 2010, 12:24:59 pm
Interestingly, the Sussex RUS analysis is that a second Reading - Gatwick service per hour doesn't currently have an adequate BCR. 

It may be that an extended service would be expected to bring in just enough additional through passengers from Oxford to tip the analysis positive - of course the extra Redhill - Gatwick leg would also tie up another Turbo all day - where would they get it?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on October 14, 2010, 07:38:17 pm
Also, if the oft-rumoured joining of some Gatwick and 'west of Reading' services via the new relief platforms ever happened, two platforms for SWT would remain perfectly adequate.  As long as the Vastern Rd overbridge is made wide enough for the 3rd paltform and track the rest of the job will presumably be straightforward - although it has been repeatedly said that access to teh site is pretty constrained so it makes practical sense to do the whole job at once.  Maybe the half way house is to do the civils only, and leave the platform structure til later?

....
Yes, I wondered about that. Given all the expensive and disruptive work needed to install the additional bridge over Vastern Rd, how much money is really saved by not adding the new platform, and how much more expensive and disruptive will it be to come back and add it in the future?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 15, 2010, 02:12:54 pm
There is NO reduction in the planned Crossrail stations, the significant change is on the Abbey Wood branch where third rail is going to be used on the surface and the Connaught tunnel (form North Woolwich line).

NR have announced a design contract award today for the Abbey Wood area surface works:
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Network Rail has awarded a major design contract for Crossrail works to Balfour Beatty Rail. The contract covers the design phase for works on the two-mile stretch from Plumstead to Abbey Wood in south east London, including the design for the new Abbey Wood station, which is the terminus station on the south east section of the Crossrail route.

The station work will provide two new Crossrail platforms and improved access. In addition, a four-track railway will be created requiring Network Rail to improve five bridges and build two new overhead electrified railway lines between Plumstead portal (where the central tunnel section emerges) and Abbey Wood.


But that might just mean the press office aren't completely up to speed, which wouldn't be unusual...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 15, 2010, 02:15:54 pm
Network Rail (London and SE) press release confirming that Reading BC have cleared the station plans...

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/ACTION-STATIONS-FOR-READING-AS-COUNCIL-GIVES-GREEN-LIGHT-TO-REDEVELOPMENT-PLANS-15ab/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/ACTION-STATIONS-FOR-READING-AS-COUNCIL-GIVES-GREEN-LIGHT-TO-REDEVELOPMENT-PLANS-15ab/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx)

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^The fact that consent has been granted so quickly is thanks to the hard work that has gone on behind the scenes so that our plans are right for Reading, and we appreciate the strong support we^ve had from the council in developing this scheme.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 15, 2010, 10:46:49 pm
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But that might just mean the press office aren't completely up to speed, which wouldn't be unusual...

Or that they are intending to go ahead with overhead wiring to Abbey Wood. And since the press office is the official mouthpiece of the company they are conveying the official position.

Given that the Gravesend extension is still only an aspiration, it would seem something of an absurdity to fit third-rail gear to the trains, which would only be used for a short section of a short branch. And the cost of fitting the trains with DC gear would probably wipe out any saving achieved by not improving clearances in the Docklands tunnel.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 16, 2010, 12:14:26 pm
Don't let the Maidonians hear there might be shoe gear on the trains, they'll be demanding third rail on the river bridge to avoid despoiling Brunel's structure!

Recent units such a 377 and 378 seem to have been churned out in both third rail and dual versions (and presumably if required a pure AC version) but not sure of the cost differential.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: XPT on October 18, 2010, 08:43:32 pm
Booking is now available up untill 30th December.   Though dissapointingly it seems only a limited number of services offer the ^10 single fares.    For instance in the morning of the 27th Dec, only the 1130 service from Bristol Temple Meads has a ^10 single fare available.  The rest are all ^24, ^28, and ^31 single.   Similarly coming back from London Waterloo-Westbury, the fares are all ^28 single! Except for a ^10 single with South West Trains on the 1920 service!

Do you think all the cheap advance singles have not yet been loaded onto the database?   Or is it likely that FGW are only offering the cheap advance tickets on a limited number of services only?

I suppose given the novelty value of these services, ^38 return isn't too bad.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 18, 2010, 09:04:47 pm
Just a guess, but if service levels are somewhat reduced compared to normal the FGW may be a little cautious about flooding the trains with cheap advance fares, to avoid potentially overcrowding them more than necessary.

As far as I'm aware, the advance fares for trains are made available all at once in a block, so I don't think there's much chance that only some of the advance tickets have been released.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 18, 2010, 09:18:24 pm
Recent units such a 377 and 378 seem to have been churned out in both third rail and dual versions (and presumably if required a pure AC version) but not sure of the cost differential.

All 'post privatisation' EMUs are dual voltage capable, by the very nature of the traction equipment. They all have a pantograph well, even SWT's Desiros, although numbered in the 400 series (DC units) are convertible.  If you look at the rear panel on the SWT Desiro secondmans side you can see the pantograph up/down controls.  The as new costs vary depending on whether the AC 'front end' gear (the pantograph, breaker and combined transformer/rectifier/inverter) is fitted or not, but there is always space for it, and the internal wiring is fitted.  On the opposite side of the equation, LM 350/2s are capable of having shoe gear fitted.  Apparently it was a 'future proofing' requirement initiated by DfT.

AIUI the cost of the AC or DC specific extras, or both, is relatively insignificant in terms of the overall cost of a unit, as (ignoring shoe gear for a moment) it is only one carriage that is different, so 75% of the typical four car train costs the same, and the majority of the fourth car is the same no matter which power supply is used.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 18, 2010, 09:28:28 pm
On the fares front, SWT have announced on their Christmas alterations pages that they are reducing their Bristol service for the week, so that they can strengthen the Exeter trains.
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A reduced South West Trains service will run between London Waterloo and Bristol during the closure of Reading station. This is so we can provide more carriages for the expected extra passengers on our main London Waterloo to Exeter route.  Bristol passengers should use the altered First Great Western service.

I was wondering if 'route Salisbury' fares are therefore usable on FGW services even though trains aren't stopping there. Does that open a can of worms?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 18, 2010, 10:35:44 pm
From the SWT website www.southwesttrains.co.uk/Xmas2010.aspx
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A limited First Great Western service will run to and from London Waterloo via Westbury and Salisbury during the closure of Reading station. Please see special publicity for details.

SWT seem to think trains are stopping there.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 18, 2010, 10:57:57 pm
I was wondering if 'route Salisbury' fares are therefore usable on FGW services even though trains aren't stopping there. Does that open a can of worms?

Interesting question, that. As a general rule under normal circumstances your train doesn't need to stop at any routeing point printed on the ticket, just needs to pass through it (e.g. Bristol to London advance tickets may be routed "AP Slough" to force the GW route rather than the SWT route, but you certainly don't have to catch a train that calls Slough. Likewise some Reading to Gatwick fares are route "Gomshall" to preclude travelling via London, but the train doesn't actually have to call there - you get the picture).

BUT there are certain get-out clauses when trains are diverted due to engineering work. However, in this case given that the timetable is so comprehensively altered and squashed around, with SWT not running their normal service on the route, it would seem reasonable for FGW to accept tickets routed "Salisbury". Whether they will or not however I don't know - presumably the FGW ORCATS share of a Bristol - London, route Salisbury ticket is fairly small under normal circumstances. I don't know if that means (a) FGW therefore won't accept the tickets, (b) FGW just sucks up the loss of revenue and does accept the ticket, possibly with some sort of Network Rail compensation? or (c) someone does a bit of fiddling with ORCATS to re-allocate revenues for the blockade period.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 18, 2010, 11:20:45 pm
From the SWT website www.southwesttrains.co.uk/Xmas2010.aspx
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A limited First Great Western service will run to and from London Waterloo via Westbury and Salisbury during the closure of Reading station. Please see special publicity for details.

SWT seem to think trains are stopping there.

Not necessarily, they may just be describing the route. We know from the journey planners they aren't calling at Salisbury, and the Basingstoke call is set down only towards London and pick up only on return.

Paul



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: XPT on October 18, 2010, 11:21:54 pm
I was wondering if 'route Salisbury' fares are therefore usable on FGW services even though trains aren't stopping there. Does that open a can of worms?

Well I tried putting in a Westbury-London Waterloo return journey, and it lets you get a ^29.90 Super Off Peak Day Return. Which lets you travel on any of the FGW services on that route.

Obviously though us rail buffs will want to get a journey on both of the diverted routes on the same day.  

There seems to be a good amount of ^10 single fares from Paddington, but hardly any less than ^28 from Waterloo.

^47.90(incl a ^8.90 single from Westbury-Bristol) for a day return to London is somewhat more than I would usually be willing to pay.   But as this is a special and possibly once in life time return journey, then it's not too bad a price I suppose.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on October 18, 2010, 11:46:18 pm
I've tried the Shirehampton - Waterloo (Route: Salisbury) Off Peak Day Return for 27th Dec on the East Coast JP which offers up the option of a change at Westbury onto a Waterloo bound HST. So the Route: Salisbury fares appear to be valid on the diverted HSTs.

The JP did suggest, however, changing again at Basingstoke as that will get you to Waterloo sooner. Think I'll stay on board the HST, thanks. ^17.90 (with my railcard) for some rare HST mileage is not to be missed!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 19, 2010, 10:12:13 am
I'll be bashing the route out from Padd via Banbury and return to Waterloo....just got to choose my preferred date.

On the fares front, SWT have announced on their Christmas alterations pages that they are reducing their Bristol service for the week, so that they can strengthen the Exeter trains.
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A reduced South West Trains service will run between London Waterloo and Bristol during the closure of Reading station. This is so we can provide more carriages for the expected extra passengers on our main London Waterloo to Exeter route.  Bristol passengers should use the altered First Great Western service.

I was wondering if 'route Salisbury' fares are therefore usable on FGW services even though trains aren't stopping there. Does that open a can of worms?

I';ve asked the question of FGWs Fares department.....I'll post up the response when I get it.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 19, 2010, 10:42:39 am
On the fares front, SWT have announced on their Christmas alterations pages that they are reducing their Bristol service for the week, so that they can strengthen the Exeter trains.
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A reduced South West Trains service will run between London Waterloo and Bristol during the closure of Reading station. This is so we can provide more carriages for the expected extra passengers on our main London Waterloo to Exeter route.  Bristol passengers should use the altered First Great Western service.

I was wondering if 'route Salisbury' fares are therefore usable on FGW services even though trains aren't stopping there. Does that open a can of worms?

Here's your definitive answer, from FGW Fares Management....

thank you for your e-mail.  To confirm FGW Bristol to London services will operate via Swindon, Oxford, Banbury/Aynho and High Wycombe and thus route 'Salisbury' tickets will not be valid on these trains.  Customers wishing to use route 'Salisbury' tickets may continue to do so by travelling from Bristol to Salisbury and changing trains for London Waterloo services, as per the majority of journey opportunities on a normal weekday.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: rogerw on October 19, 2010, 07:00:50 pm
It doesn't answer the question in terms of fares from Westbury although journey planners show it as valid.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on October 19, 2010, 07:17:12 pm
As I said up thread JP's do allow one to use the Waterloo bound HSTs from Westbury on a journey from Bristol and its environs.

I've also checked using National Rail Enquiries online and I can also summon up Route: Salisbury fares including HSTs from WSB - WAT. Takes a bit of jiggery-pokery though. I had to put in via Trowbridge & Salisbury and avoid Taunton. Then also select First Great Western services only!

After all that it offers up the ^27.10 Off Peak Day Return (valid anytime between Xmas and New Year) for Shirehampton to Waterloo.

This is the fare I'd suggest any cash concious Bristol based bashers buy (try saying that quickly after a couple glasses of wine!) - it's cheaper than the BRI-WAT Super Off Peak Day Return.

Here's your definitive answer, from FGW Fares Management....

thank you for your e-mail.  To confirm FGW Bristol to London services will operate via Swindon, Oxford, Banbury/Aynho and High Wycombe and thus route 'Salisbury' tickets will not be valid on these trains.  Customers wishing to use route 'Salisbury' tickets may continue to do so by travelling from Bristol to Salisbury and changing trains for London Waterloo services, as per the majority of journey opportunities on a normal weekday.

Hardly definitive, when it misses paul7755's initial point regarding fares via Salisbury. Someone should tell FGW Fares Management that there is an alternative route and fares from Bristol to London. Paddington is not the centre of the universe!!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 19, 2010, 10:21:20 pm
But Paul raised the point in the context of SWT's clear advice to Bristol passengers, which was to use FGW's services from Bristol during the period affected, ie, don't bother trying to travel route Salisbury from the Bristol area at this time.

I shouldn't think the ticketing needs of those wanting to clock up some rare track/rolling stock miles was top of the list of priorities at the planning meetings.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on October 19, 2010, 10:56:12 pm
I totally agree, willc. Just offering up the advice for those of us, in the Bristol area, who do want to take a HST into Waterloo.  ;) ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 20, 2010, 09:22:36 am
But Paul raised the point in the context of SWT's clear advice to Bristol passengers, which was to use FGW's services from Bristol during the period affected, ie, don't bother trying to travel route Salisbury from the Bristol area at this time.

This business of fares is getting way out of hand. Here we have a major junction closed for period and they can't even work out a sensible fare structure to get people to/from London and Bristol/Wales/West.

It seems to me that should be a special set of fares from all FGW stations West of Reading to London  valid on any train or combination of trains that takes you to/from a London terminus.

They should be considerably cheaper than present anytime fares to compensate for the longer journey times and extra changes.

This should also apply to other thread re Chiltern diverting via Didcot.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 20, 2010, 10:29:20 am
It might sound like a nice idea but you do say "a sensible fare structure" then suggest something that would only add further complication. Don't forget that in the middle of it all, the line through Reading does reopen for New Year's Eve, so would you then revert to normal fares for the day?

And Chiltern need to find the money from somewhere to pay FGW for the use of its trains during closures (it's their project, not Network Rail's). Not that there is any consistent pattern to those closures, so a sensible fare structure is the last thing you would end up with. The following scenarios can all apply, with all sorts of journey times, depending on the circumstances. Chiltern trains divert to Oxford or Didcot from Banbury, passengers are advised to use XC to get to Oxford, trains serving Oxfordshire and the West Midlands are diverted via Aylesbury with a reverse at Princes Risborough, plus all sort of bus/train routings, depending on which parts of the line are closed.

In all this, by far the most important thing is to keep people on trains, whatever the route or journey time or fare, rather than putting them into buses, which surveys consistently show is something people dislike. And FGW and Chiltern seem to be doing their level best to achieve that (assisted by SWT in the case of the Waterloo diversions).


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 20, 2010, 05:33:11 pm
It might sound like a nice idea but you do say "a sensible fare structure" then suggest something that would only add further complication. Don't forget that in the middle of it all, the line through Reading does reopen for New Year's Eve, so would you then revert to normal fares for the day.

What I should have said is one fare somewhere between the Advanced and Offpeak should be offered for any applicable journey for the whole of the disruption no matter what route or time of day. It would apply on New Year's Eve, with it being free after midnight.

And Chiltern need to find the money from somewhere to pay FGW for the use of its trains during closures (it's their project, not Network Rail's).  

That's just bean counting, due to stupid way railways are organised and  funded.

Not that there is any consistent pattern to those closures, so a sensible fare structure is the last thing you would end up with.  

To my mind it doesn't matter what the pattern of closures are if the effect is that you cannot make a journey you would normally be able to make without being diverted, extra changes, longer journey times  or worse still put on buses then the same cheaper fare can apply for all such disrupted journeys.

In all this, by far the most important thing is to keep people on trains, whatever the route or journey time or fare, rather than putting them into buses, which surveys consistently show is something people dislike. And FGW and Chiltern seem to be doing their level best to achieve that (assisted by SWT in the case of the Waterloo diversions).

Couldn't agree more so why not let them travel cheaply to compensate them for their loyalty.



Edited to remove response from quoted post. bignosemac


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 20, 2010, 06:40:08 pm
So when the operators' costs are substantially increased through extra mileage, hire of buses, etc, you think they should cut the revenue they are generating? Never mind that the disruption is likely to put off some potential custom anyway? It all has to be paid for somehow and I don't think the Government is going to be offering to help just now.

The majority of this work is taking place at times when travel is on off-peak (I am using the term generally, in the way it used to be understood by sane and sensible people, not the dubious way the rail industry now employs it) or advance fares anyway.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: XPT on October 24, 2010, 03:12:03 pm
I'm still trying to work out what to do for my trip to London and back especially for these diverstions.   Shame about there being only a limited number of services which offer the cheap advance fares.   

If I get the 1130 from Bristol Temple Meads, I can get a ^10 single.   Scheduled to arrive in London Paddington 1437.  I could then possibly get the 1526(albeit at a cost of ^28 single) from London Waterloo to Westbury, but I think this could be cutting it fine a bit whether I'll be able to get there in time.  Getting the 1626 may be a safer option.  But the thing is then it will be practically dark at that time and with the HST ultra bright carriage lighting as it is nowadays, I won't be able to see a thing of the diverted route the train is taking!

Alternatively I could take the journey the other way around, Bristol-Westbury, Westbury-London Waterloo-Paddington-Bristol.  And be able to get a ^10 single on one of the afternoon services from London Paddington.  Thing is though if I get on at Westbury, these services will originate from either Plymouth or Penzance.  So I might not get the convenience of having a window seat and facing the direction of travel, as there'll be plenty of people allready on those trains! I see though there is a good value fare of just ^9.50 on the 0718 service from Westbury.   Though this would involve a walk of about an hour and 20 minutes to Temple Meads that morning.  To get the 0605 service to Westbury, arriving there at 0641.  But if that service gets cancelled that would ruin that plan.  The next train is at 0640 and scheduled to arrive Westbury at 0716, just TWO minutes before the 0718 to London Waterloo which is cutting it fine a little!

Is there likely to be many people travelling between the West Country/Bristol and London on the 27th and 28th December?



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 24, 2010, 08:28:17 pm
Yes, but not that early!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 24, 2010, 08:38:06 pm
Me? I think I'm going to start at Oxford to Padd, Waterloo to Westbury to Bristol TM to Oxford....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: XPT on October 24, 2010, 11:06:07 pm
Finally decided what I'm going to do, and just about to book up.  On Tuesday 28th, I will get the 0601 service from Bristol Parkway-London Paddington. Fare just ^10 single. This will be a service from Swansea, but even then I shoudn't think there'd be too many passengers onboard at that early hour on a Bank Holiday!  So should easily get a window seat. At that time it will be pitch black outside, but at around 7:30ish, just around the time the train reaches Banbury daylight will start breaking allowing me to see the diverted route we're taking.  The 1 hour 50 minute non-stop journey after Oxford will be particularly interesting.

Upon arrival in London at 0907, I'll then just have a bit of a ride somewhere in the London area.  Maybe just a trip up to Harrow & Wealdestone and back on the Bakerloo line 1972 stock.  Then to Waterloo for the 1233 service to Westbury.  Upon arrival in Westbury there will be a short wait for my onward train back to Bristol.  Fare ^24.50.

That's ^34.50 for the total return fare to London with FGW.  I certainly see that as not too bad atall, especially as it's two special *possibly*
once in a lifetime journeys.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 24, 2010, 11:09:09 pm
Good luck with that, XPT - and please do post some pictures here!  ;)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on October 24, 2010, 11:36:48 pm
I'm hoping to do Taunton to Waterloo on the 27th then back to Bristol via Banbury. 27th being the day I can escape from the family after Christmas!

Not making too many confirmed plans until nearer the time as life at the moment seems to be getting in the way of 'messing about on trains'.  :-\


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 26, 2010, 12:13:38 pm
Meanwhile, there's still absolutely no sign of any physical works at Banbury connected with this turnback provision for platforms 1 and 2.  Only five months to go, so I would expect things to start happening imminently, or it'll be a rush job!

Two shiny signal posts have now appeared at the south end of platforms one and two.  Covered up, but from the counter-weights already fitted it looks like they're going to be semaphore signals - I wonder how many brand new semaphore signals get installed these days!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 26, 2010, 12:15:06 pm
Definitely semaphore, debate rages as to which type though!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 26, 2010, 03:08:10 pm
*fingers crossed, hoping for upper quadrants to upset the Brunel posse*

;)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 26, 2010, 03:48:40 pm
Apparently there is rule as to whether a new semaphore is upper or lower quadrant. It is apparently  determined by counting the number of existing signals of each type and providing the type in the majority.



 

 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 26, 2010, 05:35:59 pm
From memory there's one (possibly two) upper quadrant ones at Banbury, the rest being lower quadrant.  Oh, and some colour light ones to throw into the mix as well!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 26, 2010, 07:00:18 pm
Are you sure they don't just count the preferences of the individuals hanging around platform ends?  ::)

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 26, 2010, 09:58:59 pm
Are you sure they don't just count the preferences of the individuals hanging around platform ends?  ::)

Paul

Probably so that's why it will be lower quadrant.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 26, 2010, 10:04:21 pm
For an in-depth look at Banbury's rag-tag selection of signals, see Adrian the Rock's signalling site. Links to pages about the south and north ends of the station from this page http://www.roscalen.com/signals/Banbury/index.htm

The south end is GWR lower quadrant country when it comes to semaphores, though the main line has colour lights.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on October 26, 2010, 10:33:51 pm
*fingers crossed, hoping for upper quadrants to upset the Brunel posse*


Even lower quadrants were a bit new-fangled for Mr Brunel. How about disc and crossbar instead?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Didcot_disc_and_crossbar_signal.jpg

Pity early loco drivers, who had to cope with this selection of weird and often not very wonderful devices.

http://www.railsigns.co.uk/sect1page4/sect1page4.html


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 27, 2010, 12:54:57 am
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-11631380):

Quote
Reading station's ^15m road revamp plan 'approved'

A ^15m roads project as part of the Reading train station revamp has been given conditional approval.

Reading council was set for ^15m from the government to upgrade the road network, but the funding was put on hold as part of the Spending Review.

The Department for Transport (DfT) said it wanted to see savings, but was set to give the green light in January.

The station is being remodelled by 2013 to include five more platforms and two additional entrances.

A DfT spokesperson said: "The department will look carefully at the costs and scope of the scheme and explore possibilities to reduce costs and increase local contributions.

"We hope to agree a way forward on funding by January."

Reading West Conservative MP Alok Sharma said: "It is not full approval but it is certainly progress and a good sign. I am confident the council can take it forward and get full agreement."

The ^850m revamp of the rail station was confirmed last week during a visit by transport minister Theresa Villiers.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on October 28, 2010, 08:56:13 am
Great Western pattern lower quadrant semaphores!

Quote from latest MDRS news letter!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 28, 2010, 09:21:56 am
There are actually TWO semaphore posts gone in at the south end of Plat 1/2 at Banbury.....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BBM on October 28, 2010, 11:16:26 am
Two shiny signal posts have now appeared at the south end of platforms one and two.  Covered up, but from the counter-weights already fitted it looks like they're going to be semaphore signals - I wonder how many brand new semaphore signals get installed these days!

A new semaphore signal was installed earlier this year on Platform 3 at Shrewsbury, however I think it's upper quadrant. There's a picture of it about three-quarters of the way down this webpage in the section headed "New signal at Shrewsbury":

http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nw1007c.htm


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2010, 01:11:44 pm
There are actually TWO semaphore posts gone in at the south end of Plat 1/2 at Banbury.....

That's what I said.  :-\


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Fish on November 01, 2010, 12:45:41 pm
Are we still on "Reading Station Improvements"?  This thread is going to take some wading through by 2016 when the improvements are supposedly completed unless it is unravelled soon!  ???


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 01, 2010, 12:51:30 pm
Well, the Banbury signalling changes are part of the Reading Remodelling in so much as they wouldn't have happened had this Xmas block not been required!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on November 02, 2010, 12:41:10 pm
Apparently the reason they are lower quadrant is that are replacing two ground discs. Thus the signal wire run, levers and interlocking are unchanged they just hook up the new arms to the old wires.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: super tm on November 02, 2010, 03:50:02 pm
Apparently the reason they are lower quadrant is that are replacing two ground discs. Thus the signal wire run, levers and interlocking are unchanged they just hook up the new arms to the old wires.

I doubt that.  Upper or lower quadrant would not make any difference to the wire run, levers etc.  More likely they had a couple spare from the recently abolished boxes on the Stratford on Avon area.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 05, 2010, 01:43:52 am
The new signals at Banbury will be commissioned and brought into use this coming Sunday.  As well as the signals themselves, a few ground semaphore signals they are replacing will be recovered and TPWS grids will be installed and 'Off' indicators will be provided on the platforms.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on November 05, 2010, 08:55:22 am
Quote
More likely they had a couple spare from the recently abolished boxes on the Stratford on Avon area.

Unlikely, as the London midland region converted the area to upper quadrant years ago. I think there was just one lower quadrant at Bearley Junction which had survived the cull.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on November 11, 2010, 11:56:24 pm
Couple of pictures of the new Banbury lower-quadrants, which both look brand spanking new, here

http://www.upmain.fotopic.net/p68078022.html
http://www.upmain.fotopic.net/p68078005.html


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on November 12, 2010, 09:38:46 am
Installed last Sunday....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on November 17, 2010, 01:59:54 pm
Timetables for services for services London-Bristol-South Wales and London-West of England during the Reading improvement works over Christmas/New Year now online:
http://firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=4888


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on November 18, 2010, 06:32:05 pm
London & Thames Valley services timetables added:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=4888


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: gwr2006 on November 21, 2010, 12:49:40 pm
Apparently the reason they are lower quadrant is that are replacing two ground discs. Thus the signal wire run, levers and interlocking are unchanged they just hook up the new arms to the old wires.

I doubt that.  Upper or lower quadrant would not make any difference to the wire run, levers etc.  More likely they had a couple spare from the recently abolished boxes on the Stratford on Avon area.

According to Network Rail the two new semaphores at Banbury were manufactured specifically for the job and were not redundant from any other signalling scheme.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 21, 2010, 05:30:38 pm
Timetables for Reading Closure are on FGWs website:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=4888

Although I think there is a mistake in them, recently the journey time between London and Swindon during the diversions has increased by 15 minutes according to Journey Planner, whether this a problem with journey planner, I dont know. Anyone have any answers?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on November 21, 2010, 06:04:19 pm
They've increased the journey time via Banbury


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 21, 2010, 06:41:25 pm
They've increased the journey time via Banbury

I hope they publish new timetables on their website showing these changes.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on November 21, 2010, 06:49:46 pm
I doubt it, as they've gone to press.....

I'll check, as it may be an error.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 21, 2010, 06:50:27 pm
I doubt it, as they've gone to press.....

I'll check, as it may be an error.

If they have already gone to press, Oh dear indeed, oh dear!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on November 21, 2010, 06:52:33 pm
Were meant to be available at Padd next week.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on November 23, 2010, 10:38:45 am
The new Caversham Road bridge is complete, ready for installation at Christmas, see http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-BRIDGE-NEARS-COMPLETION-AHEAD-OF-XMAS-RAIL-IMPROVEMENT-WORK-15f2/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 23, 2010, 01:34:19 pm
Interesting news in that NR press release that touches on the discussion about track layout and bridge positions a few weeks ago.

They describe removing two further bridges over the period, so that must be the two that the reliefs currently use?  So that is a much more significant work package than simply craning a wide span in for the tracks into the two completely new platform islands, which wouldn't really impact on the operational railway. 

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 23, 2010, 04:47:30 pm
On a different part of the scheme, passing through today I noticed a lot of work now taking place along the line of the dive-under that is to be re-opened. This work seemed to be over quite an extended site, going beyond the railway bridge the track will go under and towards the Thames. I was wondering what this is, is it new drainage, or will there be new sidings down at that level?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 23, 2010, 05:29:42 pm
I don't know for sure, but I think that's going to be a storage compound used for materials that are going to be used in the project and also facilities for the engineering staff involved in the project.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 23, 2010, 05:36:26 pm
I don't know for sure, but I think that's going to be a storage compound used for materials that are going to be used in the project and also facilities for the engineering staff involved in the project.

Now that would make sense: some of the construction looked like it could easily have been for something as mundane as bases for Portakabins etc.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 23, 2010, 05:43:42 pm
A kind of PS: the construction of a new embankment on the other side of Vastern Rd for the extended Waterloo platforms is well under way. And it looks like piling will start soon on the station side of the road, beyond platform 4b. Earlier someone said they thought the proposed third platform has now been dropped, anyone have any further info on this? I'm still unclear how this would save much money, given the amount of earthworks and bridge construction needed anyway.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: hornbeam on November 24, 2010, 10:07:00 am
I know on caversham Road they have been re painting some of the decks, but that new bridge deck looks much bigger than the gap its going in!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on November 24, 2010, 10:39:12 am
Better that, than being smaller than the gap it's intended to fill!  ;) ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 24, 2010, 08:14:59 pm
Timings on journey planner have return to the same as the timetable on the FGW website. Must of been a blip with the journey planner system.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 25, 2010, 09:59:24 am
Something else I've noticed: a crane and what looks like a piling machine (for want of the correct term) near  the northern side of the Vastern Rd bridge, i.e. the other side of the tracks from the Waterloo lines. Is further bridge widening planned here?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 25, 2010, 10:35:38 am
I suspect there will have to be a piled retaining wall up to a certain height parallel to and along the line of the railway, as the available site isn't wide enough for a normal sloping embankment.  Similar to the wall immediately south of the existing platform 4A/B.

I think from one of the phots linked to earlier the piling for the actual bridge abutments is done already?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 25, 2010, 11:51:29 am
To clarify, I'm not refering to work associated with the Waterloo platform extentions and proposed third platform, for which embankment work and a new retaining wall are well progressed. What I noticed this morning was piling equipment on the northern side of the main tracks, i.e. somewhere between Vastern Rd and the start of the ramp down to the dive-under that is to be re-opened. Maybe they need a retaining wall on that side for the new track to the dive-under?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 25, 2010, 12:32:41 pm
Ah yes I see.  :-[

Maybe the gradient or curvature of the ramp down to the dive under will be different?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Fish on November 25, 2010, 12:55:01 pm
Earlier someone said they thought the proposed third platform has now been dropped, anyone have any further info on this?

The original 3rd platform had been dropped to save money, but 10 days ago we heard it had been reinstated into the works.  As far as the station is concerned, all the original proposals are now going ahead.   :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 25, 2010, 01:28:07 pm
Earlier someone said they thought the proposed third platform has now been dropped, anyone have any further info on this?

The original 3rd platform had been dropped to save money, but 10 days ago we heard it had been reinstated into the works.  As far as the station is concerned, all the original proposals are now going ahead.   :)

That's goood- it seems like something that wouldn't really have saved that much money to leave out but would have been extremely expensive to add afterwards.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 25, 2010, 02:29:36 pm
Probably exactly the sort of responsible 'what if' options that have been going on for the last 6 months to convince the new Govt. that the sums do add up.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 26, 2010, 01:45:03 pm
Something else I've noticed: a crane and what looks like a piling machine (for want of the correct term) near  the northern side of the Vastern Rd bridge, i.e. the other side of the tracks from the Waterloo lines. Is further bridge widening planned here?

Had a closer look this morning. It does indeed look like piling is taking place at either end of the Vastern Rd railway bridge, on the northern side, as if in preparation for the bridge to be widened to take an additional track on that side, as well on the Waterloo lines side.  Will be interesting to see if that is what is actually being done. There does also appear to be some further shoring up with steel sheets along the ramp down to the dive under.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on November 26, 2010, 03:52:35 pm
According to the aerial schematic on the Network Rail site:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6341.aspx

  • Vastern Road bridge will have extra tracks to both the North and the South so I'd expect to see the bridge widened on both sides.
  • The Dive-Under to the east will eventually have new tracks running through it so that trains can access the line to Wokingham line from the Northern platforms.

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on December 09, 2010, 11:48:58 am
A good article here about the improvements (including best time to watch the bridge being put into place!) at Reading during New Year.  Also mentions the signalling changes and work at Goring.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2083641_station_revamp_launch_pad

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Fish on December 11, 2010, 08:31:13 pm
Maybe they need a retaining wall on that side for the new track to the dive-under?

Yes, a retaining wall IS being built on the North side.

After Christmas, work on the 3 Guineas and heritage buildings will commence which will have more visibility to passengers.  Then the visible works start in earnest, beginning with the building of the new platform 4 (i.e. next to 4A and B).  Earthworks and the retaining wall will continue to progress to the north of the station.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Mookiemoo on December 13, 2010, 12:29:44 am
Will the three guineas remain during the works

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

If not


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 14, 2010, 04:26:38 pm
Will the three guineas remain during the works

It will either remain open or remain closed, I guess.   ;D

But seriously, it ought to be unaffected, as it's the listed building they can't touch?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Fish on December 14, 2010, 05:02:09 pm
The 3 Guineas is remaining open, and yes as its listed not much is being done to it, but I believe it is taking on extra accommodation.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 14, 2010, 05:15:29 pm
According to the aerial schematic on the Network Rail site:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6341.aspx

  • Vastern Road bridge will have extra tracks to both the North and the South so I'd expect to see the bridge widened on both sides.
  • The Dive-Under to the east will eventually have new tracks running through it so that trains can access the line to Wokingham line from the Northern platforms.

Boppy.

On the map from Boppy's link, the new yellow line  from the up Berks and Hants to the new platforms to the north of the present station is shown as a "new Freight line".  But surely it will be used for up B&H passenger trains as well (and probably many more of them than freight trains heading towards London)? I asked this question at one of the exhibitions at Reading Civic Center a while ago, but the person I asked clearly didn't know much about pattern of operations at Reading and could not give a sensible answer.

It would seem to be illogical for up B&H passeneger services (including Bedwyn stoppers) to use other than the new "yellow" line, else they will conflict with down services towards Didcot.  So why call it a "new Freight track" ?



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 14, 2010, 06:45:18 pm
It would seem to be illogical for up B&H passeneger services (including Bedwyn stoppers) to use other than the new "yellow" line, else they will conflict with down services towards Didcot.  So why call it a "new Freight track" ?

It's because that map has been simplified too much. On the more detailed drawings you'd see it actually represents two bidirectional lines, one which provides a dive under for B&H services, and one which links to the relief lines, for the freight flows.

If you follow the link to the Skyscraper City forum in an earlier post (the first Oct 10th post on page 9 by 'willc') the diagram on page 4 of that linked thread makes far more sense.

Edit: added as an attachment to this post. (Cropped and compressed)

Paul
 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 15, 2010, 02:36:30 pm
Thanks Paul, I'd never seen that schematic before and it makes much more sense.  Makes you wonder why NR produced such a useless "plan" as that on their website.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 21, 2010, 09:44:18 pm
From the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/CHRISTMAS-LAUNCH-PAD-FOR-MASSIVE-IMPROVEMENTS-TO-READING-S-RAILWAY-162c/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx):

Quote
CHRISTMAS LAUNCH PAD FOR MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS TO READING'S RAILWAY

With five days to go until Christmas, 250 Network Rail engineers and contractors are preparing to deliver the first phase of a six-year project to upgrade Reading^s railway.

Between Christmas Day and 3 January, Network Rail will complete the resignaling of 100 miles of railway around Reading, and lift a 1,000 tonne railway bridge into place over Caversham Road. The work will require 16,000 man hours, take ten days to complete, and is the biggest engineering upgrade Network Rail is undertaking anywhere on Britain^s railway this Christmas.

Bill Henry, project director for Network Rail in Reading said: ^The work we^re doing this Christmas is the launch pad for our project to improve Reading^s station and railway. The bridge we^re setting in place over Caversham Road will provide space for track to serve new platforms at the station; and the state of the art signalling technology we^re installing will allow us to make huge changes to the track layout to increase capacity and cut delays. This work will benefit passengers along the entire Western route, from south Wales and the south west to London.

^We^ve been planning and preparing for this work for well over a year now. We^re right ready to go and I^m excited to get started.^

The work over the Christmas period will mean substantial changes to train services through Reading, affecting the entire Western route. No trains will be able to run through Reading from 27-30 December, with an amended timetable in place until 4 January (the first working day of the New Year). Passengers will still be able to reach their destinations, with diversionary routes in place wherever possible to reduce the need for replacement bus services. Passengers should check the details of their journeys before they travel to see how they^re affected (www.nationalrail.co.uk).

Work to replace the rail bridge over Caversham Road will require the closure of Caversham Road between Tudor Road (Station Hill) and Caversham Road roundabout from 8pm on 30 December 2010 to 6am on 3 January 2011. Members of the public will be able to view the bridge lift from Caversham Road (the Caversham side of the railway tracks). The main lift is scheduled to take place on the morning of New Year^s Day.

Notes to Editors:

Improving Reading^s railway, key facts:

The project:

^ 730 trains per day serve Reading station. It^s the second busiest station in the UK outside London (only Birmingham New Street is busier)

^ 14m passengers currently use Reading station every year. This is predicted to double by 2030

^ Journey time to London when Reading Station opened: 1hr 5mins. Journey time to London now: 30mins.

This Christmas

^ Working 24/7 for ten days

^ Over 250 Network Rail employees and contractors working over the Christmas period

^ Over 16,000 man hours

Caversham Road bridge

^ 1,000 tonne bridge deck

^ Moved by a self propelled modular transporter with 72 axels. Each axel can be turned independently to allow for very precise movements

^ 25cm ^ the amount of clearance between the new bridge and the corner of our offices on its route to Caversham Road. We^re removing part of the facia from our building to provide an extra metre^s clearance.

Signalling

^ The whole project will transfer control for over 100 miles of railway from Reading to Didcot

^ There are seven stages of recontrol. Stages 1-3 (between Woodborough and Theale on the Berks and Hants line, and from Goring to Cholsey on the Great Western Mainline) are complete

^ Stages 4-7 (between Ruscombe and Pangbourne on the Great Western Mainline, to Theale on the Berks and Hants line, and to Wokingham on the Southern lines) will be completed between 25 ^ 30 December


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on December 21, 2010, 10:03:46 pm
The forecourt of Maidenhead Station would seem to have acquired some portacabins and marque type things obviously in readyness for the busitution west


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on December 31, 2010, 04:12:14 pm
So it looks as though Reading Station is open

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-12020729 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-12020729)
Quote
Reading railway station has reopened to passengers after it was closed for the first step of a ^850m overhaul.

Network Rail has started its remodelling of the station, which will include five more platforms, two additional entrances and a new viaduct.

Major re-signalling works have meant no trains have run through the station since Monday.

A bank holiday timetable will operate throughout New Year's Eve with the station due to fully reopen on Tuesday.

The lifting into place of a new 1,000-tonne railway bridge will also reduce services over the new year weekend, with full closures at certain times.

The main bridge lift is likely to start from 2100 GMT.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Ollie on December 31, 2010, 05:39:04 pm
So it looks as though Reading Station is open

Yes..as planned.. :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2010, 06:28:51 pm
And well done to the project managers and engineers concerned.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: autotank on January 01, 2011, 06:01:37 am
Hear hear - well done to all the guys working unsocial hours to get this vital work done.

I passed the Caversham Road Roundabout last night and could see the bridge being rolled out - looked very impressive. Shame I'm working today and can't go and have a closer look.

I enjoyed my trip on the diverted HST last week - surprised how many semaphores there still are around Greenford just a few miles out of Paddingotn. It's the kind of trip you only really want to do a handful of times though - it was a bit annoyingly slow and time consuming! Well done to FGW though for going the extra (several) miles and going for diversions instead of buses though.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 01, 2011, 10:07:13 am
Did a little day trip Reading to Weston-super-mare yesterday (excellent fish and chips at the end of the new pier by the way).  Reading station operating smoothly with Platforms 8 and 9 closed, and all through trains including Pad - Didcot stoppers using 4 and 5.  So well done to the operating people for this. As mentioned above, the new Caversham Road Bridge was in the road ready for its move into place to-day.  So well done to the engineers as well.

BUT what isn't as good is customer information.  Pangbourne and Tilehurst stations (there may be others) had very large signs outside stating "Station Closed" despite the fact there were trains every 30 minutes.  But what surely takes the biscuit is the little "Diversionary routes" postcards which have been distributed widely. It's full of errors (eg 1 TPH Reading-Theale, a bus from Reading West going nowhere, etc), appallingly presented, and of little practical use to anyone.  FGW's Customer Service people should first of all check what they produce against the facts, and then test it on focus groups before rushing into production. 

It's such a shame when the operators and engineers plan meticulously, then Customer Services fail to do their job properly by ensuring that information is accurate and clear.

Oh, and Happy New Year by the way.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Lee on January 01, 2011, 01:01:27 pm
From the BBC: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-12102741)

Quote from: BBC
Reading rail station bridge lifted into place

A new 1,000-tonne railway bridge has been lifted into place at Reading station.

The bridge is part of a ^850m overhaul which will include five more platforms, two new entrances and a viaduct.

Engineers used specialist equipment to slide the bridge into place over Caversham Road during the early hours and work was completed to plan.

Network Rail said it was "confident" services would be back to normal on Tuesday following recent disruptions.

A bank holiday service has been scheduled over the weekend and on Monday.
 
Improvement works, which will remove a major bottleneck in the rail network, saw the station and the Caversham Road closed over the Christmas period.

The bridge will eventually carry rail track to new platforms.

Work to reorganise traffic flows and road layouts around Reading town centre ahead of the project began in June.

David Wilson, from Network Rail, said passengers would feel the benefit when the project was completed in 2016.

He said: "The main benefits from it will come later in that it will transport the new track which will serve the new platforms. Passengers won't see much difference but behind the scenes a massive amount has changed."


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on January 04, 2011, 12:26:58 am
Pictures of some of the diverted HSTs at Banbury and on the South Western main line here, http://www.hondawanderer.com/Recent_Additions.htm


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on January 04, 2011, 02:53:32 am
Thanks for the link to those pics, willc.

Best of the bunch, IMHO, is:

http://www.hondawanderer.com/43197_Banbury_2011.htm


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 04, 2011, 10:58:17 am
Everything seems to have gone very smoothly- all on time for my Didcot to Wokingham journey this morning. Clearly a well planned and implemented job by all involved, and the weather didn't mess things up.

The new bridge seems to have filled all the spaces that used to be between the old bridges, so that is a lot more track space, in addition to the widening northwards that others have commented on here.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on January 04, 2011, 11:00:15 am
Pictures of bridge being put into place...

http://www.reading-forum.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=105&t=5766

I'm impressed by that bridge transporter vehicle!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2011, 03:17:56 pm
Here's an article together with the time-lapse video of the whole process.  It makes fascinating viewing (seriously!) - you can even see the progress made before and after the New Year's Eve re-opening as the trains whizz past on the mains, before stopping again as the main structure slides into place.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2084877_caversham_road_opens_ahead_of_schedule (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2084877_caversham_road_opens_ahead_of_schedule)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on January 04, 2011, 04:01:34 pm
That's fantastic.

When the new bridge suddenly comes into view half way through I LOL'd.  It's size!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: devon_metro on January 04, 2011, 04:09:34 pm
Here's an article together with the time-lapse video of the whole process.  It makes fascinating viewing (seriously!) - you can even see the progress made before and after the New Year's Eve re-opening as the trains whizz past on the mains, before stopping again as the main structure slides into place.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2084877_caversham_road_opens_ahead_of_schedule (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2084877_caversham_road_opens_ahead_of_schedule)

Agreed, marvelous. Didn't quite realise it was such a large structure!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 04, 2011, 05:30:13 pm
The new bridge seems to have filled all the spaces that used to be between the old bridges, so that is a lot more track space, in addition to the widening northwards that others have commented on here.

Yes - as we were predicting a few months back, and now that I've seen it, I'd expect the eventual up fast pair of tracks and maybe even the platform 9 down track will all use the new bridge.  I walked under it this morning and although not too surprising, it covers the entire width from the new abutments to the bridge that had been left. 

A massive lump of prefabricated work, and 'very well done' to all those who did the job.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on January 04, 2011, 11:55:34 pm
Some more diverted HSTs on the Chiltern line towards the bottom of the page here http://geoff-plumb.fotopic.net/c900316.html along with pictures of Chiltern's Class 67+Mk3 workings.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Adrian the Rock on January 05, 2011, 07:59:24 pm
A short video of some of the diversions at Banbury on Dec 30th:

http://www.roscalen.com/signals/Banbury/South.htm#Videos (http://www.roscalen.com/signals/Banbury/South.htm#Videos)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 05, 2011, 08:19:55 pm
I haven't got any footage, but there were also a couple of HST's/Turbos turned round at Aynho Junction when things got a bit congested at Banbury.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Brucey on January 09, 2011, 06:55:01 pm
This video provides an excellent summary of the diverted Waterloo - Westbury journey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGrkGST3Ss

I was quite surprised at the number of passengers waiting at Basingstoke.  Presumably all from Waterloo on an earlier SWT service.

Poor person filming must have been frozen on arrival at Westbury!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 24, 2011, 07:36:40 pm
I've noticed over the last few days that they seem to be digging up part of the newly laid embankment that has been built where the new Vastern Road bridge will join the Waterloo lines. Is anyone aware of a significant problem there?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on January 28, 2011, 01:14:32 pm
Went to presentatation to the Institute of Civil Engineers at Reading Town Hall on Tuesday. OVer 150 people.

Very good saw, timelapse video, fascinating.

One question I forgot to ask, is whether the East tunnel (old goods link) will have enough clearance for OLE and where the change over to third rail will be?

The problem is that it used to realtively easy, take Farringdon for instance trains raise and lower pans in teh station many time a day. However, the new arangements at Highbury and Islington whereby teh old power suppy has to be switched off and then the new switch on, seems to be unnecessarily complicated and not conjucive to a regular service.

Although they regularly swith the O/H in Aachen station from DC to AC on a regular basis depending on whether a DB or NS train but the train stays native.

O/H to Redhill? with dual through to Wokingham and Ash to Shalford Jn.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on January 28, 2011, 06:11:49 pm
One question I forgot to ask, is whether the East tunnel (old goods link) will have enough clearance for OLE and where the change over to third rail will be?
The problem is that it used to realtively easy, take Farringdon for instance trains raise and lower pans in teh station many time a day. However, the new arangements at Highbury and Islington whereby teh old power suppy has to be switched off and then the new switch on, seems to be unnecessarily complicated and not conjucive to a regular service.
Although they regularly swith the O/H in Aachen station from DC to AC on a regular basis depending on whether a DB or NS train but the train stays native.
O/H to Redhill? with dual through to Wokingham and Ash to Shalford Jn.
Not sure where the equipment will be located, the change over more than likely will be in platforms, not point in having a change over on the move as it is likely all trains will stop at Reading.

There is a number of ac dc interface systems, the most common is 25/25kV isolation transformers and a sectioned dc conrail, running rails have insulted block joints (IBJ's) in both rails with voltage limiting devices across them.  Thameslink at Blackfriers uses a contactor change over system with a large number of rectifiers (at Ludgate Cellars S/S there is 8 2MW units and associates switchgear although only 4 are needed for service they have built in 100% redundancy)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 28, 2011, 06:18:20 pm
Quote
... running rails have insulted block joints (IBJ's) in both rails ...

Sorry, Electric train, but you're beginning to lose me on the technicalities now ...  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on January 28, 2011, 06:27:36 pm
Quote
... running rails have insulted block joints (IBJ's) in both rails ...

Sorry, Electric train, but you're beginning to lose me on the technicalities now ...  ;D ;D ;D

Electrification is soooooooooo complex esp ac/dc  :o  S & T hate us we keep blowing their stuff up  ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 28, 2011, 08:38:15 pm
One question I forgot to ask, is whether the East tunnel (old goods link) will have enough clearance for OLE and where the change over to third rail will be?

The problem is that it used to realtively easy, take Farringdon for instance trains raise and lower pans in teh station many time a day. However, the new arangements at Highbury and Islington whereby the old power suppy has to be switched off and then the new switch on, seems to be unnecessarily complicated and not conjucive to a regular service.


Will they bother with electrifcation through the underpass initially though?  Surely no electric trains off the 'Southern' will need access to the reliefs, they'll have their three lengthened platforms to play with - and those are supposed to provide enough capacity for Airtrack too.  If there's a need to run trains through the underpass routinely to find platform capacity, wouldn't they be the Gatwick DMUs?

Regarding Highbury, AIUI there is no intention to run any through passenger services between the ELL and the NLL , the prospective use is only to allow dual voltage units to gain access to the depot at New Cross Gate when necessary.  So stopping on the transfer track while changeing over will not be a delay - indeed the OHLE doesn't make it past the footbridge into the platform IIRC, so a platformed changeover cannot happen.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 28, 2011, 08:44:24 pm
After all the discussion a while ago about the new station layout, the latest (Feb) Modern Railways has a 6 page article about the Reading project, and at last it includes a reasonable scale map of the area, including the surrounding streets and buildings, which gives a pretty good indication of the relative positions of the new through platforms.  The three Southern platfoms seem very long, going well past Vastern Rd as you'd expect.

Also repeats that track plan showing all the flyovers and stuff to the west, so may be worth a browse in Mr Smith's library even if you don't normally buy it... ;D

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on January 29, 2011, 08:45:59 am
There is I believe "passive" allowance for ac/dc change over at Reading, which basically means that what is built must allow space for future equipment.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 29, 2011, 11:13:39 am
There is I believe "passive" allowance for ac/dc change over at Reading, which basically means that what is built must allow space for future equipment.

That makes sense - and I suggest that economics will come into it, as it may be better to accept a change on a single track section than fit out four separate platform lines?  Although I also think that the Gatwick trains would probably be on DC all the way on the Southern, indeed I'm pretty sure the electrification strategy recommended DC infill on the route, ie Wokingham to Ash and Shalford to Reigate.

OT stuff now...   Am I right in thinking that the Thameslink changeover will be about as complex as it gets, I've read (in the rolling stock ITT stuff) that they want an option of the changeover to be automatic under the control of ATO. I also believe (from something linked to online a while ago) that the contactor system effectively changes the return current set up as the trains progress through the various signal sections between Farringdon and City Thameslink.  The AC/DC changeover positions are normally to be Farringdon southbound, and City T/L northbound, but various fallback options will also be possible to deal with changeover failure on the train, ie to continue to the next station in either direction and reverse, while remaining on AC or DC as appropriate.

Simple it aint...   :(

Further OT stuff.  One of the main issues with dual electrifcation schemes seems to be track circuit intereference (for anyone still reading this is  because the DC Area generally uses AC track circuits, and the AC area DC track circuits).   Presumably this issue goes away (or is reduced) if axle counters are adopted, especially in an area which is being resignalled anyway?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on January 29, 2011, 11:46:13 am
Paul thanks for the reference to Modern Railways I get a copy through RSA membership.

It doesn't mention the Eastern tunnel connection specifically certainly not whether it will have clearance for O/H wire. I would imagine that everyone would want condutor rails confined to new SW platforms and not have it in the main station, hence my query as to where the changeover might be.

Going back to Modern Railways there is an intersting sub article on Reading and Crossrail. Which implies that after the enlargement and wirng to Oxford and teh new depot that Crossrail could get to Reading and be cheaper overall because things like the turnback sidings at Maidenhead would not be required.

Especialy as there is another article which says tunnelling won't be finished until 2018 because of new way of doing the central portion. It's to do with making the staions boxes from below via the TBM bored running tunnels rather than down to meet them. Not sure I've expalined that correctly, but it probably means the wires might well be at Reading by then.

Maybe Networkrail have learnt the old BR trick of doing things down the line and then linking them up eg starting West Coast electrification in Manchester and Liverpool and working South and trialing 25Kv between Colchester and Clacton and then linking to Shenfield and converting the DC to 6.25/25Kv.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on January 29, 2011, 07:48:53 pm
Maybe Networkrail have learnt the old BR trick of doing things down the line and then linking them up .........
Not so much learning old trick NR have employed many of the BR electrification engineers that were about in 95, the office has many old friends in it


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on February 03, 2011, 11:17:32 am
On my way to the station this morning I saw that new scaffolding has gone up on the South side of the East bridge.

I take it this is the beginning of the new structure for the bridge widening for the extended Waterloo line platforms?

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on February 03, 2011, 12:04:57 pm
As I mentioned earlier, they seem to be digging up the recently laid new embankment on the Eastern side of Vastern Rd, where the new bridge span will join the Waterloo lines. It looks like they've even removed the new retaining wall that separates the pedestrian route and the new embankment. I suspect a problem has been found, perhaps the ground under the new embankment isn't stable enough and needs to be underpinned with further concrete piling?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on February 14, 2011, 01:26:34 pm
As I mentioned earlier, they seem to be digging up the recently laid new embankment on the Eastern side of Vastern Rd, where the new bridge span will join the Waterloo lines. It looks like they've even removed the new retaining wall that separates the pedestrian route and the new embankment. I suspect a problem has been found, perhaps the ground under the new embankment isn't stable enough and needs to be underpinned with further concrete piling?

Looking this morning it appears that even more of the recent work is having to be re-done! The new embankment has been completely dug up for several metres back from Vastern Rd, I can't believe this is all going according to plan. Anyone else seen it?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 14, 2011, 01:40:51 pm
Can't say that I've noticed too much - I don't think the embankments had ever been fully built up to the new rail level (even accounting for ballast), so perhaps it's more a case of minor surgery than anything more calamitous?

Meanwhile, work on the other side of the tracks with supports and embankments for the re-instated underpass leading to the southern lines, is proceeding at quite a pace with soil dropped and compacted and much work going on underneath the GWML bridge.  The materials and offices area to the east of this underpass is also being quickly developed with more cabins and facilities cropping up all the time.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on February 14, 2011, 01:45:42 pm
Can't say that I've noticed too much - I don't think the embankments had ever been fully built up to the new rail level (even accounting for ballast), so perhaps it's more a case of minor surgery than anything more calamitous?

Meanwhile, work on the other side of the tracks with supports and embankments for the re-instated underpass leading to the southern lines, is proceeding at quite a pace with soil dropped and compacted and much work going on underneath the GWML bridge.  The materials and offices area to the east of this underpass is also being quickly developed with more cabins and facilities cropping up all the time.

Well they did have a new block-built retaining wall between the footway on Vastern Rd and the end of the new embankment, and the infill had got very close up to the level of the existing tracks before the recent work started. This new wall does now appear to have been knocked down, and the carefully compacted aggregate dug out for several metres back, the digging out apparently following what looked like an attempt to put in some concrete piles.  I'd guess it is a bit more than minor surgery!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 14, 2011, 03:41:31 pm
and the infill had got very close up to the level of the existing tracks before the recent work started. This new wall does now appear to have been knocked down, and the carefully compacted aggregate dug out for several metres back, the digging out apparently following what looked like an attempt to put in some concrete piles.  I'd guess it is a bit more than minor surgery!

Possibly, I'll take a wander down there on foot sometime to see the extent of the work/dismantling - though the infill had only got anywhere near it's final height for only a very short section when compared to the overall length of embankment that will be required.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 21, 2011, 09:40:30 am
Did you find out any more about this? Since my previous post on this there has been further excavation of the new embankment, right back down to the original ground level, with what looks like another concrete base being poured close to the point where the tracks to the new bridge will join the existing track.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 21, 2011, 10:40:06 am
The explanation I got (from a chap in orange walking past who may or not have known what he was on about) was this. 

It was all planned, because the piling machine needs a level base for it to operate from, so they build up the level as required and then drill the cores down through the compacted material. The steel tubes that go down with the auger, are then withdrawn as the concrete is pumped in, and the reinforced concrete sets into place in the hole.  Removing the made ground afterwards leaves the piles at an extended height out the ground, and if necessary they are then trimmed back to the required height.

Or something like that...   ???

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 21, 2011, 02:32:17 pm
Interesting- thanks. I suppose that would explain it, though I still think it is a bit strange for them to build what looked like a permanant block wall only to knock down bits of it and presumably then rebuild, instead of using something temporary. Maybe it was simpler this way.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 22, 2011, 10:56:38 am
Meanwhile work is progressing well on the north side of the east end with the ramp down to the reinstalled southern underpass pretty much complete and ready for ballast and a track.  Tangible signs of work about to start in earnest on the support embankment for the new southern platform, i.e. the station side of Vastern Road as well.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 22, 2011, 01:20:44 pm
Just surmising here, but it's quite possible that the underpass might be a fairly early requirement, because if the track works for the new Southern platforms are staged over a few weeks or months, only one platform face might be available on the current P4.  A temporary solution might then be to divert the FGW Gatwicks into the main station - the current platform 10 bay could be a likely destination?

PS - I just saw in Today's Railways mag that they expect the three 12 car 'Southern' platforms to be in use by this December - does that fit with previous understanding of the timescales?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 22, 2011, 04:07:41 pm
Network Rail have reported that advance utilities work starts on one of the Cow Lane underbridges this weekend:

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/COW-LANE-IMPROVEMENTS-TO-BENEFIT-ROAD-AND-RAIL-USERS-IN-READING-16eb/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx

Paul



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 22, 2011, 09:04:51 pm
I just saw in Today's Railways mag that they expect the three 12 car 'Southern' platforms to be in use by this December - does that fit with previous understanding of the timescales?

Yes, I think by 2011 has been the stated date for that (and the underpass I believe?). Certainly that's what NR have been saying on their timeline: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/9126.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/9126.aspx)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 26, 2011, 01:58:41 pm
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-12869989):

Quote
Reading rail bridges widening closes Cow Lane

Motorists have been warned to expect delays when a road is closed as part of a revamp to Reading's railway station.

Cow Lane will be shut from 1900 GMT until 1100 GMT on Sunday while work to widen two rail bridges starts.

The project will see the bridges expanded to fit two lanes for motorists, a cycle path and pavements to help ease a traffic bottleneck.

The work is part of a ^850m revamp of Reading station by Network Rail which is due to be completed in 2016.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51851000/jpg/_51851739_51851738.jpg)

Cow Lane will again be closed in May, this time for for up to three weeks, as part of the widening scheme which will also allow space for a new track layout to boost capacity for rail users.

Bill Henry, Network Rail's project director for Reading, said: "Our work in Reading isn't just about improving the performance of the railway and building a better station. The changes we're making to Cow Lane will bring big benefits for cyclists, pedestrians and motorists, cutting congestion and making the road safer. This is a big engineering project and we're making every effort to minimise its impact on residents and businesses in the Cow Lane area."


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 31, 2011, 08:08:01 pm
I've noticed that ongoing construction work is taking place slightly to the west of the new Caversham Rd bridge. This bridge extended further to the north than the width of the existing embankment, and a new concrete platform was built on the eastern side to connect to it. So I'm wondering whether there is going to be widening of a significant length of the embankment to the west of the bridge, as it looks like there is a gap which if filled would provide a wider embankment all the way to Cow Lane. 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 31, 2011, 09:36:12 pm
If I'm understanding you correctly, then I think there will be a short widening of the embankment immediately west of Caversham Road so that the tracks for the five additional platforms, especially the furthest north (Platform 15) can use all of the space afforded by the bridge deck that was replaced.

According to the map on page 15 of this thread, the remaining space between Caversham Road and Cow Lane is set aside for the proposed IEP sidings which could probably fit in the existing space once the many redundant railway buildings have been removed or relocated - indeed some of these have already been demolished.  Then, west of Cow Lane, the new Turbo (or Class 319 as it will probably be by then) depot and sidings will be built.

I'm not sure whether this will involve the widening of Cow Lane for rail tracks with a new deck as happened at Caversham Road, but there is certainly a lot of work going to take place there during the next twelve months.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 31, 2011, 09:50:16 pm
Yes, that was what I meant. Looking at Google, there is a short section west of Caversham Rd where the embankment is a bit narrower than the rest, up to a group of buildings. Hopefully visible here (a grassy strip is visible between the embankment and the road running parallel to it):

ttp://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Reading&aq=0&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.783636,28.256836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Reading,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.460217,-0.977665&spn=0.001771,0.003449&t=h&z=18 (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Reading&aq=0&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=13.783636,28.256836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Reading,+United+Kingdom&ll=51.460217,-0.977665&spn=0.001771,0.003449&t=h&z=18)

I say 'short', but it is still a few hundred metres, so still a lot of civil engineering if they build up the full length. What method do you think they will use?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 01, 2011, 10:45:01 am
If you look at the end of the video of the bridge slide you'll see that the north side of the bridge is at a somewhat acute angle to the line of the relaid relief lines. 

The more accurate plan in the February Modern Railways shows the two lines from the new platforms 14 and 15 (up reliefs)  combining at roughly the western side of the Caversham Bridge, so the northmost track is not parallel to the edge of the bridge.  So what I'm thinking is that the dimensions of the bridge are governed by the track position on the east side, but there's some spare space on the west side.   

In the case of the two tracks from the down relief platforms, they're not combined into one until further along - about half way along that 'strip of greenery' on the aerial view, and just after that there's another junction from the up relief fanning out to the north for the new depot. 

It does look (from MR's drawing) as though the area at track level could be 'squared off' in line with the side of the new bridge, but there's no track shown in the space provided. 

Paul   


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 01, 2011, 02:58:13 pm
Here's a few more details about the new Maintenance, sorry Train Care Depot to be built between Cow Lane bridge and Scours Lane Junction (taken from an internal NR release):

*  Depot to be passed to FGW on or before August 2013.

*  Relocate FGW (plant, labour materials) 6-8 weeks.

*  From Aug 2013 to 2015 there will be a staging issue in the west end, the depot run round road will be 3m from the Mainline Up Goods until viaduct completed.

*  Depot will run with 2 connections until 2015 when connection at Wigmore Lane will be installed.

*  Overhead Line Equipment:  All bases, steelwork and wiring planned to be installed before depot is handed over, except for the west end.  The Up Goods Line is on the line of the OLE bases.  Planned for daytime possessions to install the works in the east end of the depot post 2015.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 04, 2011, 08:12:19 pm
A few new pictures here that may be of interest, first ones I've seen of the eastern underpass so far, also shows good progress on the new approach ramp to the underpass:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=75473887&postcount=99

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on April 15, 2011, 10:10:09 am
Work now appears to have started on construction of the new Vastern Rd bridge for the Waterloo platforms. I was interested to see that the bridge is being built in situ, rather than being assembled elsewhere and carried into place in one piece, as was done at Caversham Rd.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on April 15, 2011, 10:14:54 am
Hi,

Regarding the new Vastern Road bridge I am intrigued to see that the bridge extension is using the same design.  I take it that all the original design plans were available for new parts to be replicated or did carrying on the same design involve investigating how the old design was done?

I'd assumed that the widening would just involve two new bridges (with a different design) either side.  What they're doing is much more impressive!

Cheers,

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 15, 2011, 10:56:34 am
Hi,

Regarding the new Vastern Road bridge I am intrigued to see that the bridge extension is using the same design.  I take it that all the original design plans were available for new parts to be replicated or did carrying on the same design involve investigating how the old design was done?

I'd assumed that the widening would just involve two new bridges (with a different design) either side.  What they're doing is much more impressive!

Cheers,

Boppy.

Nuttalls built the existing bridge when the road was widened in the seventies - they should have kept the plans, but if they hadn't, NR would have done.  Matching existing was a planning requirement:

http://www.bamnuttall.co.uk/PDFfiles/ReadingStationRedevelopment.pdf

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on April 15, 2011, 12:16:13 pm
Thanks for the info Paul!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 21, 2011, 04:55:39 pm
Another good set of pictures put up on the skyscraper city thread, showing the new Vastern Rd bridge spans, as dicussed above:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=76319069&postcount=107

Hope this is of some interest to those who don't get to Reading often.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 21, 2011, 11:26:02 pm
Thanks, Paul.  I only noticed today that the bridge supports across the Vastern Road had started to be installed.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 12, 2011, 10:22:30 pm
Another public exhibition of the plans has been announced for 19-21st May at Reading Town Hall.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2092553_railway_plans_go_on_display (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2092553_railway_plans_go_on_display)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 18, 2011, 02:09:49 pm
The project is set to be complete a year early, in 2015.  Amalgamation of works during Easter 2013 has led to this improvement.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-13437508 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-13437508)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 18, 2011, 02:46:58 pm
The Platforms get renumbered this Xmas, together with some signalling & bridge work - and one additional platform, I understand.

A 5-day Oxford - Didcot blockade is also being scheduled this Xmas (possibly for other work)

Then Easter 2013 is the next major blockade.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on May 18, 2011, 02:50:30 pm
Then Easter 2013 is the next major blockade.

Do you know what scale of disruption this will cause to services through reading, and any idea whats being done?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 18, 2011, 02:51:39 pm
BIG - same scale as before with no trains through Reading.

Not sure yet just how many days closure there is....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 19, 2011, 05:40:00 pm
Had a look at the exhibition this morning - it gives little or no new information really.

The key point I took away is that the newly compressed timescale (saving a year) is mainly to do with the western grade separated junctions. There is little or no change to the previously published timeline for the station works - it may complete a couple of months earlier, but not much.

Regarding the Southern (Waterloo) platforms, the plan is that in Jan 2012 they'll start using the new platform (P4 in the renumbered scheme), and the existing pair (future 5 and 6) will then be taken out of use one at a time and lengthened and straightened, by summer 2012.  The new track layout, ie the two track approach and various crossovers, will be complete in Jan 2012 though - which will overcome the limitation of the current single track over the bridge.  New info (at least for me) was confirmation that the three platforms will be dead straight and parallel - ie the current curvature to tuck in behind P4 will be removed.

(Recent PR seemed to suggest this area would all be finished next Jan, but this seems to have been an oversimplification.)

The key date of Easter 2013 is when the four new relief line platforms will be brought intom use with a big bang, having been built in green zone conditions, ie outside the blue fencing which denotes the operational railway boundary.

The following info, mostly discussed before was reconfirmed: 

Current P7 bay will close this December, as the space is needed for the new transfer deck.
Current P5 and P8, the down main island, retains its current shape, but all the buildings will be removed - this will be done behind hoardings with the platform faces remaining in use.
Current P4 will be closed some time (late in the sequence) to be straightened somewhat, the middle of the platform will be extended out by a couple of metres as there will only be two tracks rather than the three current.
Current P9 will be extended southwards over approximately one track width, to widen what will be the up main island, and the P10 bay will be filled in.  The buildings will all be demolished, again this will be done behind hoardings with the platform in use.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 19, 2011, 05:44:24 pm
Thanks, Paul.  That all pretty much makes sense.  Do you know when the southern underpass at the eastern end is scheduled to open?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on May 19, 2011, 05:48:28 pm
Are any of the on platform buildings being retained or replaced?  Or will we go back to buying food and drinks on trains again?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 19, 2011, 05:48:55 pm
Regarding the Southern (Waterloo) platforms, the plan is that in Jan 2011 they'll start using the new platform (P4 in the renumbered scheme), and the existing pair (future 5 and 6) will then be taken out of use one at a time and lengthened and straightened, by summer 2012.  The new track layout, ie the two track approach and various crossovers, will be complete in Jan 2011 though - which will overcome the current single track over the bridge.  New info (at least for me) was confirmation that the three platforms will be dead straight and parallel - ie the current curvature to tuck in behind P4 will be removed.

(Recent PR seemed to suggest this area would all be finished next Jan, but this seems to have been an oversimplification.)

Errrrr......next Jan IS Jan 2012.....Jan 11 having passed a few months ago!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 19, 2011, 05:50:23 pm
Are any of the on platform buildings being retained or replaced?  Or will we go back to buying food and drinks on trains again?

It would cost a lot of money NOT to replace any demolished buildings, surely?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 19, 2011, 05:52:42 pm
Thanks, Paul.  That all pretty much makes sense.  Do you know when the southern underpass at the eastern end is scheduled to open?

Forgot to ask that - sorry.  Perhaps someone else could check that out.

Are any of the on platform buildings being retained or replaced?  Or will we go back to buying food and drinks on trains again?

All four island platforms, will have full facilities to include waiting rooms, catering, toilets etc etc.  No facilities will be lost, they'll be re-provided to modern standards.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 19, 2011, 05:53:55 pm
Regarding the Southern (Waterloo) platforms, the plan is that in Jan 2011 they'll start using the new platform (P4 in the renumbered scheme), and the existing pair (future 5 and 6) will then be taken out of use one at a time and lengthened and straightened, by summer 2012.  The new track layout, ie the two track approach and various crossovers, will be complete in Jan 2011 though - which will overcome the current single track over the bridge.  New info (at least for me) was confirmation that the three platforms will be dead straight and parallel - ie the current curvature to tuck in behind P4 will be removed.

(Recent PR seemed to suggest this area would all be finished next Jan, but this seems to have been an oversimplification.)

Errrrr......next Jan IS Jan 2012.....Jan 11 having passed a few months ago!

Ta, I'll edit my post to avoid confusing everyone.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on May 20, 2011, 10:57:45 am
I picked up one of the leaflets they were handing out.

I'd say the plan of the new platforms and track layout has improved over last time but it's still full of inconsistencies and in one place I'm sure clear error.

  • The main lines are clearly represented by 4 tracks out to the East towards London and the West towards Bristol and then the individual tracks are shown next to each platform.  But towards Reading West it shows that only a single track exists rather than two.  Also the 3 new platforms 4, 5 & 6 towards Wokingham will merge into just a single track rather than two.
  • The diagram states that the lines out to the West (Bristol/Oxford) will not be able to use platforms 1, 2 or 3?!?!

I know proper schematics of the layout exist but surely it wouldn't have taken much more to fix this diagram up more accurately?

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2011, 11:01:00 am
  • The diagram states that the lines out to the West (Bristol/Oxford) will not be able to use platforms 1, 2 or 3?!?!

I know proper schematics of the layout exist but surely it wouldn't have taken much more to fix this diagram up more accurately?

The vast majority of customers don't care what the layout is like & would be perfectly happy with schematics.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ZoŽ on May 20, 2011, 11:11:30 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN2OEXQr4RI

An interesting new type of signal appears at 5 - 10 seconds in this Network Rail video.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 20, 2011, 11:12:17 am
hmmm.......


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 20, 2011, 11:27:27 am
  • The diagram states that the lines out to the West (Bristol/Oxford) will not be able to use platforms 1, 2 or 3?!?!


The current SR Quail only shows P3 with access to the down main, as does the new layout. 

So they're mostly or 2/3 right...   ;D

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on May 20, 2011, 11:31:42 am
Ah sorry!  I would have though that having those bays linked up would have been handy - but if one is enough so be it!

Thanks for correcting me!  :)

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 20, 2011, 01:00:18 pm
Ah sorry!  I would have though that having those bays linked up would have been handy - but if one is enough so be it!

Thanks for correcting me!  :)

Boppy.

Actually, for what it's worth I was somewhat surprised by the track layout there.  I suspect though that it's partly because of the existing FGW 'western bay' service patterns all being towards the Newbury or Basingstoke directions. However P3 will get a lot more use shortly when P7 closes for the works to the main island. All those XC services that sit for half an between services will also have to use P3, I can't see any another option.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on May 20, 2011, 01:38:31 pm
I'm curious about how the new lines to the Waterloo platforms will connect with the existing ones. I had assumed that the junction would be squeezed into the narrow space between the end of the new platforms and the start of where the line descends to the bottom of the embankment. However, work appears to be taking place alongside the line at the bottom of the slope, as if preparing space for additional track, so I'm now wondering if the junction will be there, with the new tracks climbing up to the bridge on a new ramp parallel to the existing one...? The newly widened embankment includes a ramp in that direction, but I had assumed it was only for construction vehicle access.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 20, 2011, 02:13:04 pm
The platforms are all extended by at least enough to allow 12 cars - but the current platforms are only barely long enough for 8,  so I expect the rebuild will include a much greater marigin at the buffer end as well, if rebuilt to current standards.  So I'd estimate the platform ends will be at least 100m away from the present ramp. 

The various track diagrams suggest a set of points combining the new platform 4 and 5 lines, then a pair of facing and trailing crossovers (ie not a diamond crossing) to allow entry and exit from the station, so I'd suggest another quite significant length there - getting well towards the underpass.  Would they normally build an S&C layout on a ramp if they had an alternative?  Not really sure on that.

On the Modern Railways scale drawing (that I mentioned a few pages back) the junctions and crossovers are off the page to the right, but the platform ends reach as far as that large octagonal building that Google satellite view shows on the far side of Vastern Rd.   

PS - looking at Google's satellite view it loooks like a typical simple crossover between two tracks takes around 60m of track length - so the points and crossings could easily take up around 150m anyway...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on May 20, 2011, 02:29:08 pm
Thanks, just taken a look on Google maps and I see what you mean. The track will have to ramp up much earlier than I'd appreciated, so there's a lot more earthworks and embankment building still to be done.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 24, 2011, 02:59:57 pm
An interesting video showing a computer generated impression of the new station forecourt, underpass, and northern entrance with taxi rank and altered RailAir loading point.  It looks pretty smart I must say, though the camera never quite shows whether the rusting shell of Western Tower will still blight the view!  No details of the actual track, platforms or concourse.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2093181_video_shows_new_look_for_reading_railway_station (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2093181_video_shows_new_look_for_reading_railway_station)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 25, 2011, 11:47:03 am
That lower level plus the walkway through to the North look like skateboard city to me!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on May 26, 2011, 10:56:00 am
Just seen some info re the platform renumbering -

The passenger subway will close in July this year.

All platform numbering changes take effect on resumption of service on 27 December. Current pLatform 7 closes permanently on that date. (Strictly speaking, I guess it really closes on December 24 close of service).

Also on that date, signal TR253 at the London end of current platform 5 is being moved approx 10 metres further west (back down platform), to enable other signalling equipment to be installed. THe HST stopping point may move too)

Current platform 10 is being widened to a temporary (until Easter 2013) new track alignment to provide space on the platform for a Transfer Deck support.

The new platform 4 and renumbered platform 6 (old 4a) in use from that date. In March 2012, it'll be new Platform 4 along with renumnbered platform 5 (old 4b) until July 2012 when all three will be opened.

The other new platforms only open after the major Easter blockade in 2013 (new platforms 12 - 15), along with the Transfer Deck.

Also at Easter 2013, current platform 10 (new 11) changes to a through platform (from current London Bay) and current platform 6 (new 16) closes permanently.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 26, 2011, 04:00:29 pm
Useful info, Chris.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: The SprinterMeister on May 26, 2011, 04:42:07 pm
Also on that date, signal TR253 at the London end of current platform 5 is being moved approx 10 metres further west (back down platform), to enable other signalling equipment to be installed. THe HST stopping point may move too.
Don't think you'll get an HST to stand in rear of TR253. That's the signal that protects the exit from the current East end facing bay platform 6....

TR53 is the LED signal on the London end of platform 5.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on May 26, 2011, 06:49:20 pm
and current platform 6 (new 16) closes permanently.
Must be one of the shortest lived platforms .. platform 16


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on May 26, 2011, 07:14:49 pm
Workington North anyone?  (but I know what you mean  ;D)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on May 29, 2011, 03:11:30 pm
Traveled through Reading for the first time in months; the new MDU (Maintenance Delivery Unit) UP side on the London end of the station looks to be open, the old panel box has a lot of it operating floor ripped out can not be ong before the big wreckers move in.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: SandTEngineer on May 29, 2011, 06:51:49 pm
RIP http://photos.signallingnotices.org.uk/photo.php?pc=245&p=IMG_3898.JPG  :'( :'(


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on May 29, 2011, 08:02:33 pm
Traveled through Reading for the first time in months; the new MDU (Maintenance Delivery Unit) UP side on the London end of the station looks to be open, the old panel box has a lot of it operating floor ripped out can not be ong before the big wreckers move in.

Is that at mainline track level - or is that what that large concrete floored compound at a lower level down by the roadside is? 

(On the way along towards Tescos at Kings Meadow - I'm not sure of the road name...)

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on May 29, 2011, 08:35:35 pm
Traveled through Reading for the first time in months; the new MDU (Maintenance Delivery Unit) UP side on the London end of the station looks to be open, the old panel box has a lot of it operating floor ripped out can not be ong before the big wreckers move in.

Is that at mainline track level - or is that what that large concrete floored compound at a lower level down by the roadside is? 

(On the way along towards Tescos at Kings Meadow - I'm not sure of the road name...)

Paul
On the way to Tescos the old "Cattle Pens" Depot has gone although the modern modular building look inhabited and still has a sign on it


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on June 02, 2011, 05:57:18 pm
OMG - a news update on the FGW website!  Dated 27th May -  it says  (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=687)the work at Christmas went well.

Quote
Network Rail and First Great Western have welcomed a report by Passenger Focus, which singles out the engineering works in Reading over Christmas 2010 and the associated passenger communication as best practice.
Network Rail Project director Bill Henry said: ^Close partnerships with train operators including First Great Western were key to our success over Christmas. The Reading job was a huge engineering challenge, but just as important for all of us was minimising the impact of our work on passengers.

^Before Christmas, we made big upgrades to the railway so that trains could be diverted around Reading, reducing the need for replacement buses. We also worked with train operators to run the largest joint communications campaign we^ve ever delivered to support engineering works, making sure people knew the facts before they planned their journeys.

^This Christmas was the launch pad for a five year programme of upgrade work that will transform Reading^s railway. We^ll continue to work with train operators to plan our work efficiently, keeping the railway running and getting passengers where they need to go.^
More on the link above.

Also includes a link to  Passenger Focus  (http://passengerfocus.org.uk/news-and-publications/press-release.asp?dsid=5161) for the full report.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on June 03, 2011, 05:40:24 pm
Traveled through Reading for the first time in months; the new MDU (Maintenance Delivery Unit) UP side on the London end of the station looks to be open, the old panel box has a lot of it operating floor ripped out can not be ong before the big wreckers move in.

Is that at mainline track level - or is that what that large concrete floored compound at a lower level down by the roadside is? 

(On the way along towards Tescos at Kings Meadow - I'm not sure of the road name...)

Paul

The old panel box was by the North side of the goods lines which ran behind platform 9. I assumme that's what Electrictrain was refering to. Don't think the concrete base you are refering to is on railway land, although it may have been in the past pre closure of goods yard and signal works.   


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on June 03, 2011, 07:07:24 pm
Traveled through Reading for the first time in months; the new MDU (Maintenance Delivery Unit) UP side on the London end of the station looks to be open, the old panel box has a lot of it operating floor ripped out can not be ong before the big wreckers move in.

Is that at mainline track level - or is that what that large concrete floored compound at a lower level down by the roadside is? 

(On the way along towards Tescos at Kings Meadow - I'm not sure of the road name...)

Paul

The old panel box was by the North side of the goods lines which ran behind platform 9. I assumme that's what Electrictrain was refering to. Don't think the concrete base you are refering to is on railway land, although it may have been in the past pre closure of goods yard and signal works.   
The concrete base Paul is referring to is at the low level East of the station on the North side used to be part of the Gas Works sidings


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Timmer on June 05, 2011, 10:55:15 am
OMG - a news update on the FGW website!  Dated 27th May -  it says  (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=687)the work at Christmas went well.
Whilst everyone should be pleased that in general arrangements for covering services around the time of the Reading blockade went well, it was disappointing that a number of services, particularly on December 27th and January 1st, ended or started short of Paddington/Waterloo at Oxford and Basingstoke respectively because of a lack of pilots to cover the diverted routes. This seems to have been missed in reports/articles that I have read about the Reading works over Christmas/New Year.

If I had been a passenger on these trains I would have been none too pleased particularly if had been travelling to London and only getting as far as Oxford. Basingstoke not so bad as SWT were running a normal service to Waterloo and you may have actually found yourself arriving into London earlier because the FGW HSTs had to go via Staines.

I hope lessons have been learned from this even if they have not been made public with a view to ensuring less trains end up terminating/starting short of London when the next blockade takes place.

On the whole I thought the communication of these works was excellent and should be used as an example for future major rail engineering projects.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: willc on June 09, 2011, 08:17:35 pm
Contractor chosen for the station rebuilding. From Network rail press release:

Quote
A Costain/Hochteif joint venture has been named preferred contractor for Network Rail^s rebuild of Reading station.

The contract will see five new platforms constructed at Reading, relieving congestion on the Great Western Main Line and spelling an end to the familiar experience of waiting outside the station for a platform.

The contract, worth approximately ^80m, is one of the biggest that will be awarded as part of Network Rail^s ^850m project to transform Reading^s railway.

Full release here: http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/NETWORK-RAIL-ANNOUNCES-PREFERRED-CONTRACTOR-FOR-READING-STATION-UPGRADE-179e/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on June 15, 2011, 10:30:49 pm
Big chunks being taken out of the old 'signal box' this afternoon while I was waiting for my train on P8.

I had a walk round for a look at the new Vastern Rd bridge from the roadside - what seemed noticeable (to me) is that the three new spans that are now in position on the north side (for the new line down to the underpass) are at a different spacing to the rest of the bridge, including the new stuff on the south side.

The only explanation I can think of is that the 'pitch' of the original spans didn't quite fit a single track width IYSWIM, ie two wouldn't have been enough, and three at teh normal spacing would have been unnecessarily wide?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on June 16, 2011, 12:12:45 pm
...and some updated pictures taken yesterday:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=79677666&postcount=117

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on June 16, 2011, 10:13:34 pm
...and some updated pictures taken yesterday:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=79677666&postcount=117

Paul

The old telephone exchange flattened also the single story buildings that I once had a desk in flattened ............ oh well progress


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on June 16, 2011, 10:19:34 pm
Wonder where that skylight's from, sitting to the left of the pile of rubble in the penultimate photo? 

Wonder if someone's claimed it for re-use somewhere...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on June 27, 2011, 07:16:49 pm
I went through Reading on Friday.  The old panel box has now gone. 

The new building on Napier Road (Kings Meadow) neaar Tescos has a Network Rail logo on it.  Is this a permenant replaceemnt for the temporary Reading Delivery unit building which is still standing lonely to the west of the Caversham Road bridge. 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on June 27, 2011, 07:21:10 pm
I'm sure someone will be along presently to answer that query, ellen.

In the meantime, a very warm welcome to the Coffee Shop!  :D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on July 14, 2011, 11:01:29 pm
More photographs of the work have been posted on

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=6 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=6)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 19, 2011, 03:31:41 pm
Thanks for the link to those updated pictures, ellendune.

In addition, the crossings for the link to the reinstated eastern underpass line have now started to be installed on the Down and Up Southern lines, along with some additional/revised signalling, clipped out of use until commisioning this December.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on July 20, 2011, 08:11:20 pm
Yes, there is a lot of activity there at the moment. It is now becoming clearer where the widened ramp up to the Southern platforms will start, with a new retaining wall now built just behind the new signal equipment box at the bottom of the ramp and a lot more aggregate being added along its length. It looks to me as if a single track's width is being added at the lower end of the ramp, widening to two tracks width at a new piled concrete retaining wall structure that has been built at around the point where the ramp levels off.

It looks like the concrete base for the new bridge  is now, complete, and retaining walls to link the bridge to the start of the existing retaining wall the other side of platform 2b have been completed. Space between the existing platform 4b tracks and the retaining wall has been cleared as if in preparation for having ballast added for the third track. I'm curious to know how the platform will be added to the old retaining wall- will this be raised and a platform added to the top, overhanging the existing wall? Also, a huge pile of large white blocks has been unloaded at the site, anyone know what they are for?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on July 20, 2011, 09:25:32 pm
Also, a huge pile of large white blocks has been unloaded at the site, anyone know what they are for?
Polystyrene used as fill between shuttering when concrete is case when remove leaves a void is my guess


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 20, 2011, 11:07:29 pm
I had a look from the footbridge a few weeks ago and tried to estimate the overall width required.  It would be highly unusual for the back of the new platform to overhang the Vastern Rd bridge's parapet, and it has to be 2.5 metres deep (although that could be given a concession at the far end).  My gut feeling is that the concrete formwork you can see in the third of the latest photos is the alignment of the back of the platform structure, and therefore there will be a space of about a metre between it and the existing concrete wall.  On the station side of the bridge adjacent to that formwork there is a massive concrete block with no apparent purpose (yet!) - I'd be interested to know what that is all about, it doesn't seem to have an equivalent on the other side of the bridge.   ??? 

I suppose once the new platform structure starts appearing everything will suddenly become clearer;  however I also suspect that the track into the new platform won't be laid until Christmas.  My reasoning here is that the track alongside the existing island will have to be removed before the new can be laid. I know from the NR Q&A session a couple of months back that the project includes straightening the existing platforms so that they will be parallel with the new one, ie the existing curvature (away from the main lines) near the buffer stops gets removed.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on July 21, 2011, 09:00:24 am
Also, a huge pile of large white blocks has been unloaded at the site, anyone know what they are for?
Polystyrene used as fill between shuttering when concrete is case when remove leaves a void is my guess

They do indeed look like these polystyrene blocks used in construction:
http://www.sundolitt.co.uk/default.asp?menu=8683

Looks like they are going to use them to build up the gap that still remains between the newly cast concrete bridge abutment and the start of the existing retaining wall next to platform 4b. However, there is a large pile of them, so maybe they are also going to use them to build the new platform as well?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on July 21, 2011, 08:59:22 pm
Using polystyerene would reduce any increase in load on the existing retaining wall.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Not from Brighton on July 21, 2011, 11:36:44 pm
They do indeed look like these polystyrene blocks used in construction:
http://www.sundolitt.co.uk/default.asp?menu=8683
Polystyrene you could park a car on, there's something I'd never imagined.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on July 25, 2011, 05:36:47 pm
I took a couple of photos with the phone this lunchtime, the 'new' concrete retaining wall is basically in line with the nearest parts of the existing wall alongside Apex Plaza.  What I suggested earlier about it being nearer than the wall must have been an illusion as seen from the platform. The big lump of concrete I noted is consistent with the parapet height as well...

Uploaded the pics as attachments hereunder so not brilliant quality.

Interestingly, one of the Nuttall workmen told me that their contracted work is planned to be handed over to Network Rail this weekend, with the platform works contractor starting immediately afterwards.

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 29, 2011, 12:46:43 am
Here's a telephoto shot (light fading) showing the connections now installed on the Southern Lines east of Reading station.  The short length of new single track will dive under the GWML and emerge up the embankment on the north side of the formation reinstating a link removed (I think) in the 60's.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6020/5986226914_9858b29b2c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on August 03, 2011, 08:25:00 pm
The line of the platform is now apparent over Vastern Rd bridge, there's a concrete foundation strip appeared, by eye I'd say it's possibly a couple of metres from, and parallel to, the bridge parapet.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 03, 2011, 08:28:16 pm
Two more switch ends have been installed between the one in my photo above and the station.  Bagged over new/realigned signal heads are now installed in a few places too.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on August 03, 2011, 08:48:00 pm
It's all quite encouraging isn't it - and they ought to be able to progress the first new platform pretty quickly as well, as they are in green zone conditions.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: anthony215 on August 03, 2011, 09:46:41 pm
I have to say the work at Reading is progressing very well, i look forward to wandering around the station when work is complete.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on August 05, 2011, 09:36:07 am
I'm curious about what is planned for the station end of the new platform, where space is constrained by the adjacent delivery ramp for the station and there are a couple of concrete structures in the ground next to the existing platform 4b track. Someone I was recently idly chatting to while watching the construction work  said that the trains would stop further back than the existing buffers, and that the ends of the curent bays would be filled in to provide more passenger circulation space. I can see that this would also help provide access to the new platform given the space constraints there.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on August 05, 2011, 11:14:33 am
I think the circulation space will nearly all be gained from the removal of the lift, escalators and stairs to the current footbridge - all of which will be gone. 

The trains will probably have to stop further back anyway because current standards for bays/buffers will have to apply to the new work, but there'll then be a larger gap between the buffers and the 'cross platform' (the section joining the platforms together).

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on August 12, 2011, 09:52:23 pm
Note that the final London and South East RUS http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browseDirectory.aspx?dir=\RUS%20Documents\Route%20Utilisation%20Strategies\RUS%20Generation%202\London%20and%20South%20East (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browseDirectory.aspx?dir=\RUS%20Documents\Route%20Utilisation%20Strategies\RUS%20Generation%202\London%20and%20South%20East) recomends an early decision to extend Crossrail to Reading to save ^31M is savings at Maidenhead and to provide additional capacity to releave overcrowding on Paddington to Reading.  Decision required in the next few months. 

This is part of a big section on resolving capacity issues on GWML.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on August 15, 2011, 02:41:23 pm
Piece on the remodelling of platforms 4A and 4B  in the Reading Post (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2098000_railway_project_on_track) complete with Video.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on August 15, 2011, 06:06:53 pm
...recomends an early decision to extend Crossrail to Reading to save ^31M is savings at Maidenhead and to provide additional capacity to relieve overcrowding on Paddington to Reading.  Decision required in the next few months. 

Hopefully common sense will prevail and Crossrail extended to Reading and the turnback sidings at Maidenhead dropped.

Although how Maidonians will take not having their own exclusive terminal for Crossrail will be interesting to see. The insulters of Brunel were already up in  arms about wires across the bridge, despite the fact that if Brunel had had 25KV overhead electrification we would have had 200 mph plus broad gauge trains across the bridge for 175 years. No doubt the catenery supports would have been quite decorative with scroll work etc.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on August 24, 2011, 06:59:41 pm
Next phase starts next week with the closure of the subway -  FGW Website. (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=5297)

Quote
30 August marks the start of a period of major construction and improvements to Reading Station that will result in a modernised station with increased capacity to meet growing customer demand.

This major remodelling at one of First Great Western^s busiest stations is one of the most significant railway upgrade schemes currently being undertaken anywhere in the country.

From the early hours of Tuesday 30 August, Network Rail^s contractor will start construction work at Reading Station and the subway will be permanently closed to all staff and passengers. Alternative access to and from all platforms will be via the over bridge.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on August 24, 2011, 08:43:07 pm
That'll extend the mad dash between P8 and P3, that typically occurs when XC are re-platformed at very short notice...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on August 24, 2011, 11:18:30 pm
I went through Reading today. 

Alot of activity putting drainage in by the festival site just west of cow lane (new train maintenance facility) and widening the embankment there.

Vastern Road Bridge widening looks nearly complete on both sides.  The approach to the new Waterloo platforms also looks nearly complete. 

 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 28, 2011, 10:52:41 am
That'll extend the mad dash between P8 and P3, that typically occurs when XC are re-platformed at very short notice...

Indeed it will.  But FGW have done a good job at advertisng the subway closure, with lots of posters and staff handing out leaflets.  Yesterday evening I was accosted by a very nice CS Team member on P9 who handed me a leaflet (the second on my trip from P4 via the subway) and explained that I would need to allow more time to get off P9 for connections etc.  In response to my moan about the narrow staircase off P9 to the footbridge, he pointed out that an additional temporay staircase has been built up to the footbridge to increase capacity and separate up and down passenger movements.

So well done FGW and NR.


PS I can never get the Quotes to work - please would some nice moderator fix it for me.


Moderator note: Done!  ;D bignosemac


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on August 28, 2011, 11:18:42 am
I also just noticed that the planned Saturday evening and Sunday closure between Wokingham and Reading P4a/b has been cancelled for the next two weekends, might that suggest they have made better progress than planned originally?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 30, 2011, 01:18:33 pm
Work in earnest on the new southern platform and track bed is now beginning.  The large concrete slab at the station end is getting broken up and removed with Vortok blue protective fencing panels in place.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 31, 2011, 11:30:36 am
Here's the latest staff newsletter regarding the Reading rebuild.  I've got permission to use this and future editions on the forum (with minor editing), so will post them as and when I can.  Hopefully you'll find the information useful.


(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6078/6099149973_ed70f4184e_b.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6181/6099150439_6a7370c873_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: smokey on August 31, 2011, 11:40:23 am
Best Improvement Reading Station can have is When the First Great Western Signage disappears to be replaced by A. N. OTHER operator.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on August 31, 2011, 11:42:24 am
Having travelled over 2,000 miles with them in the last 10 days there's a lot FGW do get right.  However as with life in general you remember the bad times better than the good.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on August 31, 2011, 12:36:27 pm
Vortec fencing 'protecting' the workforce?...that's a joke isn't it? From what? Anything moving at under 1mph would get through that. Highl;ighting that there's work going on, maybe....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on August 31, 2011, 01:34:02 pm
Make me chuckle when people refer to the "Old Royal Mail Depot" the then new Royal Mail depot was built on the old Reading Signal Works so at last some of the site is "coming home" to railway use


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: TheLastMinute on August 31, 2011, 04:48:56 pm
Vortec fencing 'protecting' the workforce?...that's a joke isn't it? From what? Anything moving at under 1mph would get through that. Highl;ighting that there's work going on, maybe....

Protecting as in it effectively prevents workers inadvertently stepping on to a live running track. Without any fencing, it's surprisingly easy to do after you've been on site for a few hours and your focus is maybe on a certain aspect of the task in hand.

TLM


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on August 31, 2011, 04:54:56 pm
Oh, ok, workling in that direction, I understand.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on August 31, 2011, 06:08:52 pm
Vortec fencing 'protecting' the workforce?...that's a joke isn't it? From what? Anything moving at under 1mph would get through that. Highl;ighting that there's work going on, maybe....
It there to set up a "Fenced Green Zone" meaning there is no requirement for Lookouts or Site Wardens.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 03, 2011, 09:35:39 am
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6108560214_28f5b8b294_z.jpg)

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6204/6108560324_3f91bcf7ee_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on September 05, 2011, 01:55:19 pm
Thanks for posting these!  :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: anthony215 on September 05, 2011, 02:41:29 pm
As others have said thanks for posting these


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on September 05, 2011, 07:25:35 pm
Yes fascinating reading (pardon the pun).  I remember that hairdressers/barbers in the subway.  When the station was last rebuilt the subway at the northern end was curtailed following the closure of the bus station.  Now its gone altogether...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 12, 2011, 10:37:45 am
No problem.  Here's the latest edition:

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6083/6139383283_2f44971e3c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on September 12, 2011, 10:44:59 am
Is simply wrapping the new posts for the hoarding in hazard tape sufficiernt? Shouldn't they be cordoned off so visually impaired / blind don't walk into them, but meet the cordon tape first?....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: super tm on September 12, 2011, 11:09:34 am
I often wondered why it is necessary to paint the wooden boards for the hording.  Apart from looking nice it seems an unnecessary expense.  Unless someone can enlighten me  :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 15, 2011, 04:51:54 pm
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6150495770_d9e8c0f4e1_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on September 17, 2011, 06:37:05 pm
Some more photos have come up on http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=7 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=7)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 24, 2011, 10:35:17 am
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6160/6177566332_244e7448e4_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: centralman on September 25, 2011, 10:16:01 pm
Thats some good info.. I guess you work at Reading. Do you know who will be doing the voices on the new PA system and is Phil staying?

Edited to remove quoted image - the comment above had got a little lost! i_b


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 12, 2011, 06:42:21 am
Thanks for all the info in this thread -  at the moment I travel through RDG every day and am often curious to know what is happening "behind the hoardings"!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 13, 2011, 08:46:51 am
New platform 4 is making steady progress, front and rear walls of the platform structure look pretty much complete beyond the Vastern Rd bridge, progressing towards the station as shown in the attached snapshot below.  It seems a very substantial build, with fairly massive concrete footings, and you can see all the vertical rebar that will presumably be embedding within the walls...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on October 16, 2011, 11:48:03 pm
Just as an aside the renumbered platforms are now showing on the National Rail Journey planner for services after Christmas.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 17, 2011, 03:09:06 pm
I don't think this has been mentioned, but DfT have just confirmed the funding for Reading BC's works outside the station - last heard these were awaiting final approval...

Quote
The improvements include:
 ^direct access to the new northern and south-western station entrances.
 ^ safe, secure and step-free pedestrian access
 ^ new and improved walking and cycling routes
 ^ significantly increased secure cycle parking provision
 ^ a new junction providing access to the new northern entrance.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20111004 (http://www.dft.gov.uk/news/press-releases/dft-press-20111004)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 20, 2011, 11:15:26 am
Just as an aside the renumbered platforms are now showing on the National Rail Journey planner for services after Christmas.

For those who hadn't realised already the current platform 6 is going to be temporarily renumbered to 16 (while it remains in use), as number 6 is transferred to what is currently 4A.   All other platform number changes are there as expected, ie 4 to 7, 5 to 8, 8/9/10 to 9/10/11.

Nearly all the XC services that previously used the closed bay platform 7 will use platform 3 instead - this is currently used mainly by the 2 hourly Southampton bound extended services, the slight problem is that there isn't a huge amount of waiting space as it is back to back with the main down platform.  Passenger info systems are pretty sparse down that end as they only display on the up facing side...

Paul



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 20, 2011, 11:36:26 am
I predict a lot of confused staff who've got used to the old number system for so long.  In the future, I myself will find it very hard not to say 4a or 4b for Waterloo when asked!  Overall though, it's going to be a better system in the long run.

I'm not sure the link was posted on here when it was released, but there's a relatively new NR video of the Reading remodelling, which gives the best impression yet of the new overbridge and platform layouts:  http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6339.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6339.aspx)  - note that you need to click on the right-hand video (which looks like it links to the older video for last Xmas' bridge replacement), as they've got them the wrong way round on the site!

Nearly all the XC services that previously used the closed bay platform 7 will use platform 3 instead - this is currently used mainly by the 2 hourly Southampton bound extended services, the slight problem is that there isn't a huge amount of waiting space as it is back to back with the main down platform.  Passenger info systems are pretty sparse down that end as they only display on the up facing side...

The same can be said about the info systems on Platform 7 though.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 20, 2011, 12:04:16 pm

For those who hadn't realised already the current platform 6 is going to be temporarily renumbered to 16 (while it remains in use), as number 6 is transferred to what is currently 4A.   All other platform number changes are there as expected, ie 4 to 7, 5 to 8, 8/9/10 to 9/10/11.


Paul


So when I resume my daily commute from THA to REI changing at RDG I must remember that when the CIS says platform 6 it has moved! Sounds obvious in the cold light of day but when I arrive at RDG at 615am I'm not sure it will be that clear!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 22, 2011, 05:33:12 pm
...and of course details of the Christmas platform alterations are here http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=5297


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 24, 2011, 10:18:11 am
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6219/6276101610_69108571b6_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 24, 2011, 11:14:14 am
That picture of the new P4 etc seems to show a shelter over some steps at the London end of P5/6.  Is that an emergency exit perhaps?  Don't think I've seen that before.   

However I did previously hear that there is a new box section subway being driven right under the railway at about that point...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 24, 2011, 04:05:36 pm
Well spotted, Paul.  I'd just thought it was a waiting shelter but you can see what appear to be steps on closer inspection.  The rules on emergency exits are much stricter these days, though I hope it is suitably blocked off in normal situations so the local oiks don't abuse it and get out of the station scott free.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 24, 2011, 08:46:46 pm
On second thoughts the most secure set up might be an emergency route between the two platforms, ie 4 and 5/6.  I did see some detailed plans recently of what they are going to build at London Bridge, and there are escape routes shown at the ends of all the island and bay platforms there - but they connect them together rather than directly to the 'outside world'...

I do find it odd that there have been no drawings surfaced on Reading BC's website, although most of the work is permitted development, there is still normally a rubber stamping approval process involving the planning department.

See later post  ???

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on October 24, 2011, 09:34:40 pm
...and of course details of the Christmas platform alterations are here http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=5297

It says

Quote
31 December 2011 - The new platform 5 (existing platform 4b) will cease to be in use. Train services which currently use platform 4b will use platform 6

I assume this means the new platform 6 (existing platform 4a) rather than the existing platform 6 (which used to be used for the North Downs line trains many years ago). It does not say when 4a is to be renumbered I assume at the same time as 4b though.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ChrisB on October 24, 2011, 09:40:21 pm
That is correct.

Those sw platforms don't all come into use for a while after Xmas...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 25, 2011, 09:35:55 am
Yes, Platforms 4a, 4b and the new southern platform will be renumbered 4, 5, & 6 although 5 will closed to be lengthened and straightened out, followed by 6, so all three southern platforms won't be in use until late next year (if I remember correctly).

The current Platform 6, will be temporarily numbered Platform 16, before closing permanently in the future when the four new platforms 12/13/14/15 open in 2013.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on October 25, 2011, 10:28:05 am
Some pictures I took this morning (with my phone hence the not great quality) to show the latest work removing the canopy from Platform 4 (first attachment) and platform 9 (second attachment).

Boppy.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 25, 2011, 12:33:22 pm
Having suggested in my post yesterday evening that there were still no drawings available, I double checked this morning in case anything has changed, and it has.   ::)

The planning application number for the station rebuild is 10/01269/FUL, and every time I've looked before it wasn't there. 
Planning sites don't usually allow direct links to individual files - they tend to time out so I'll just link to the application search page:

http://planninghome.reading.gov.uk/online-applications/search.do?action=advanced&searchType=Application

From the application summary click 'documents', then the link 'view associated documents'.  Of the 48 docs listed,  the 'proposed plans' give a layer by layer plan of the platforms, except the tail end of P4/5/6.  The 300 page 35 MB Design and Access Statement (DAS) is interesting because it shows a number of proposals that were eventually decided against.

Getting back to my suggestion yesterday about escape routes, the answer is that each of the new platform ends, (so that's 4,5/6, and both ends of 12/13,14/15) has an emergency fire escape route to meet current design standards.  Except for P4 these all include subway sections.   The existing platforms including islands for 8/9 and 10/11 are mostly reworked existing so don't get escape provision as it is not retrospective. This info appears at the very end of the DAS. In extremis I expect the lines would be blocked and escape across the tracks to adjacent 'new' platforms would be the solution.

Hope the linked info gives plenty of detailed answers to how it will all look eventually.

I've attached a snip of one of the useful plans as a taster...

Paul





Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 25, 2011, 12:42:53 pm
Yes, Platforms 4a, 4b and the new southern platform will be renumbered 4, 5, & 6 although 5 will closed to be lengthened and straightened out, followed by 6, so all three southern platforms won't be in use until late next year (if I remember correctly).

July 2012 from various dates suggested/quoted previously - which seems very much achievable on current progress.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 25, 2011, 01:41:51 pm
Hope the linked info gives plenty of detailed answers to how it will all look eventually.

Very useful.  Thanks very much for searching for the links.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on October 25, 2011, 04:28:39 pm
Another old question answered... 

Reading BC planning case 10/01329/FUL concerns the reopened eastern underpass.  In that application those curious girder arrangements added to the overbridge are explained as strengthening works to the bridge parapets and steeelwork webs. To be carried out on the outside face of the existing parapets to avoid closing the main lines.

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on October 31, 2011, 10:54:31 am
<Bing Bong>

The new information screens and announcements system now appears up and running at Reading!

Changes I've noticed so far:

- As shown in the staff update the platform information tv screens are now blue rather than "Great Western" green.
- The platform indicators now show "Arrived" - I don't think I've seen them do this before.  It's a shame they say it before the train has actually arrived though!
- The announcers are different (I'm sure others can say who they now are).  They sound much more awkward though:  "Platform 5 for the <pause> 08 <pause> 52 <pause> service to London Paddington..." compared to the old announcements.
- And "Bing Bong"!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on October 31, 2011, 01:21:00 pm
There's been a lot of visible progress at 4a/4b over the last week, the new canopy has started to be put up on the new platform.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 01, 2011, 04:21:21 am
The announcers are different (I'm sure others can say who they now are).  They sound much more awkward though:  "Platform 5 for the <pause> 08 <pause> 52 <pause> service to London Paddington..." compared to the old announcements.

Yes, it's the fella who does the recorded announcements for engineering works.  Used (along with the female voice) on many new PA installations in the recent system replacements.  He has a good voice, but sadly his recordings for this system aren't very good - speaking slightly too slowly with unnatural sounding pauses.  Compare that with the female voice on the same system which is fine and it's a bit of a shame.

Perhaps the unnecessary pauses can be removed with a bit of jiggery-pokery to the sound files recorded?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 01, 2011, 04:19:49 pm
<Bing Bong>

The new information screens and announcements system now appears up and running at Reading!

Changes I've noticed so far:

- The platform indicators now show "Arrived" - I don't think I've seen them do this before.  It's a shame they say it before the train has actually arrived though!
-

I caught the 1045 hrs off P5 yesterday and when the "Arrived" announcement came up a number of passengers (presumably non-regulars) waiting for it were visibly unsettled, eg scanning the other platforms to see if the train had arrived somewhere else.  Looking down the line the 1045 was still a speck in the distance well west of Cow Lane!

But I would like to say I noticed lots of helpful FGW staff around on all the platforms, which deserves to be commended.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 01, 2011, 04:33:01 pm
I caught the 1045 hrs off P5 yesterday and when the "Arrived" announcement came up a number of passengers (presumably non-regulars) waiting for it were visibly unsettled, eg scanning the other platforms to see if the train had arrived somewhere else.  Looking down the line the 1045 was still a speck in the distance well west of Cow Lane!

The screens show "Arrived" when the train passes the signal before the platform, and because of the junctions at Reading and the obviously reduced speed limit, it can seem like it is miles away! The new screens should not do this however!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 01, 2011, 04:52:27 pm
Wouldn't be better if the "Arrived" indication came up when the train entered the track circuit for the platform starting signal?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 01, 2011, 05:35:22 pm
Wouldn't be better if the "Arrived" indication came up when the train entered the track circuit for the platform starting signal?

Unfortunately that isn't possible, as the track circuit isn't used at all when it comes to tracking trains, it all to do with the train description which is available at every main aspect signal, and not every track circuit.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 01, 2011, 07:05:54 pm
Fair enough, I'm no S&T expert and obviously if there was a simple solution the S&T would have found it.  Maybe no more need to be said here on this little topic, so my homework this evening is to research why a platform starter signal is not a main aspect signal.....


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2011, 04:32:43 pm
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6228/6309159993_3a575d7648_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 03, 2011, 05:20:54 pm
The "new" temporary staircase off the overbridge to P10 is still closed, I think the plan was that this would be open by the time the subway was closed to relieve pressure on the existing narrow staircase to P9.  Does anyone know why this is?



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2011, 05:29:59 pm
I think it's opened at peak times only isn't it?  I remember seeing it in use a week or two back around 8:30am.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 03, 2011, 06:10:30 pm
Ah, that could be the case, I hadn't thought of that and I hadn't realised that was the plan. It's just occurred to me that the temporay stairway needs a ticket examiner on duty, so I can see the logic in closing it when P9 is less busy.

I saw the gates at the bottom of the stairs closed at about 1045 am. 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Ollie on November 03, 2011, 11:17:27 pm
As per II it is peak only stairs and has staff checking tickets.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 08, 2011, 12:13:10 pm
A new set of pics by reading general on skyscraper city:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=85485929&postcount=125

I was through the station yesterday, no phots taken but it's getting quite easy to visualise the new platform 6 - and I guess the steelwork details they've put up so far will be similar to the main through platform canopies.  At least it would be odd if they did something completely different on P4-P6...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on November 08, 2011, 03:55:12 pm
Changing at Reading the other day we went up the wrong stairs from Platform 10 and found ourselves on the way out side of the footbridge. So had to go down and throught he barriers to get to Platform 4.

There were two guys standing at the bottom of the stairs but they didn't check our tickets.

It got me thinking about platform renumbering. I knew I wanted 4 in all probability. when 4 is renumbered to ? when I look at the departure board I won't know which platform is which for a while.

Has any thiught been given to putting the old platform number in brackets after the onew. So you'have say N (4)  At least for while?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 08, 2011, 04:44:08 pm
How the platform renumbering works...
1,2,3 stay the same
new 'Southern' platform will be 4
4B becomes 5
4A becomes 6
4 becomes 7
5 becomes 8
6 becomes 16 (until it finally closes)
7 closes
8 becomes 9
9 becomes 10
10 becomes 11
12,13,14,15 will be the new reliefs.

I expect there'll be loads of notices, but I don't think they'll put any 'formerly X' signs up - and of course the PIS listing displays will all be using the new numbers, I don't think there'll be a huge problem - nearly everything (except some XC and some Waterloo/Redhills) will be operating from the same physical platform after all...

Paul



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 14, 2011, 01:34:36 pm
The contract to build the new train depot has been let to VolkerFitzpatrick:

http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/contract-news/volkerfitzpatrick-undercuts-competition-to-take-reading-rail-work (http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/contract-news/volkerfitzpatrick-undercuts-competition-to-take-reading-rail-work)

Worth ^36.2m (less than half the budget price of ^72m), works starts in January and is due to be complete by August 2013.  Looks like there'll will be an awkward transitional phase between closure of the old Turbo depot and the arrival of cascaded/new electric traction following the GWML electrification.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 14, 2011, 06:04:55 pm
The new Turbo depot planning reference is 10/01380/FUL if anyone wishes to look at the details - and as usual there are enough details to keep you browsing for quite a while...

As you'd expect, although the planning application is for a replacement 'Turbo Depot' the drawings show all the facilites are designed to fit four car units with OHLE structures and gantries almost everywhere you look...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 14, 2011, 09:27:40 pm
In the above jpeg of the Reading Station staff update it quotes the URL http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/reading is the place to be!

I've given it a try and I get a 404 error. Tried removing the spaces, removing the exclamation mark but to no avail. Is there really a dedicated website?

EDIT....

Had a rethink and found it is just http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/reading


Title: Reading Station Temporary Exit next Platform 1
Post by: chineseJohn on November 15, 2011, 11:51:18 am
Last night a chap with a loud hailer was informing people they can exit at a door next to Platform 1 ( i assume this is to ease exit congestion on Platform 4), he was checking tickets if people wanted to use that exit.


Title: Re: Reading Station Temporary Exit next Platform 1
Post by: paul7755 on November 15, 2011, 01:03:54 pm
The reason for this new access is explained in the staff brief shown in post #371 in this thread:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.360

Mods - Please could this and the previous post be transferred into the main Reading Stn thread to avoid an unneccesary offshoot starting?

Paul


Edit note: Done. CfN  :-X


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 15, 2011, 01:14:46 pm
The new Turbo depot planning reference is 10/01380/FUL if anyone wishes to look at the details - and as usual there are enough details to keep you browsing for quite a while...

Thanks for providing the link, Paul.

First time I've seen them in such detail, although I was aware of the basic layout.  From the plans it looks as if stabling/maintenance capacity will be provided as follows:

West End Stabling Sidings:  6 sidings with a total capacity for around 80 vehicles
Maintenance Depot:  4 maintenance roads with a total capacity of around 28 vehicles, plus room for 8 vehicles on a siding alongside the maintenance shed, as well as a unit in the 'Underframe Cleaning Facility' with up to two of its vehicles actually in the facility.
IEP Depot: 7 track facility with a total capacity for 17 5-car Bi-mode IEP sets or a maximum of 6 10 car Electric IEP sets and 5 Bi-Mode sets.

The operation in the West End Stabling Sidings especially will have to be very slick given the fact that one of the sidings can stack up to 17 vehicles ending in stop blocks, so the need to make sure the units are in the right order to come out next morning will be much more important than it is now in Reading Upper Depot with its 17 separate sidings!  Mind you, the lack of a need to manage fuel loads on the electric sets will mean there's a little more flexibility in that respect.

I believe a signalling system is to be installed in the depot, similar to that at the former Eurostar depot at North Pole, as with such a long operational length, handsignalling is not deemed appropriate.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 18, 2011, 09:06:13 pm
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6232/6359681735_cfb6f91f75_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 18, 2011, 09:13:34 pm
With many thanks for your latest summary, IndustryInsider, I've also just 'un-linked' this topic from our calendar entry - and without deleting the whole thing, thank goodness! ::)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 18, 2011, 09:18:12 pm
Wouldn't be better if the "Arrived" indication came up when the train entered the track circuit for the platform starting signal?

If it said "Arriving" rather than "Arrived" then there wouldn't be confusion, a simple fix surely?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 19, 2011, 11:37:48 am
Wouldn't be better if the "Arrived" indication came up when the train entered the track circuit for the platform starting signal?

If it said "Arriving" rather than "Arrived" then there wouldn't be confusion, a simple fix surely?

Then people would complain that it showed arriving when the train had arrived? It can be fixed with a software timer I expect, it will be a similar problem to that which arises at certain stations when the 'passing train' warning is too early, or the 'this train terminates here - all change' happens too early.

Gordon's possibility mentioned above is not quite how it works, because the aspect of a platform starter isn't (in general) controlled by the approaching train, the track circuits on the approach side of a signal are usually being used to control the signal behind the train, ie where it has come from...

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on November 19, 2011, 04:41:51 pm
Does anyone know the dates that Cow Lane will be closed as Network Rail work on the bridges please? Currently, their website says:
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A further road closure will be required in December.

II, thanks for posting the development updates for staff, I've been looking everywhere for updates and signing up to FGWs ~/reading page seems to have sent me nothing about the station updates, but plenty of offers, places to go etc.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on November 19, 2011, 05:26:53 pm
Does anyone know the dates that Cow Lane will be closed as Network Rail work on the bridges please? Currently, their website says:
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A further road closure will be required in December.

II, thanks for posting the development updates for staff, I've been looking everywhere for updates and signing up to FGWs ~/reading page seems to have sent me nothing about the station updates, but plenty of offers, places to go etc.

19th December for 5 weeks according to this article

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/19/55405-huge-project-could-face-weather-hurdle/ (http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/19/55405-huge-project-could-face-weather-hurdle/)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on November 19, 2011, 05:54:49 pm

19th December for 5 weeks according to this article

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/19/55405-huge-project-could-face-weather-hurdle/ (http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/19/55405-huge-project-could-face-weather-hurdle/)
Thank-you.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on November 20, 2011, 11:24:40 am
My wife went through Reading yesterday, reported she couuldn't see how to get to the Three Guineas. Is it shut?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on November 20, 2011, 11:30:58 am
As noted on another thread, HSTs calling at Platform 4 are now stopped right down the far western end of the platform. I think this is to do with managing the pedestrian flows, though I can't see any benefit apart from maybe getting more alighting passengers to use the temporary exit near Platform 1. It does mean that lots of passengers wanting to board trains are now having to fight their way along a crowded platform 4 to reach the standard class coaches, and no doubt lots of people boarding via first class to avoid missing their train. Does anyone know if this arrangement is intended to last throughout the rebuilding? Any chance of it being reviewed?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 20, 2011, 11:39:55 am
As noted on another thread, HSTs calling at Platform 4 are now stopped right down the far western end of the platform. I think this is to do with managing the pedestrian flows, though I can't see any benefit apart from maybe getting more alighting passengers to use the temporary exit near Platform 1. It does mean that lots of passengers wanting to board trains are now having to fight their way along a crowded platform 4 to reach the standard class coaches, and no doubt lots of people boarding via first class to avoid missing their train. Does anyone know if this arrangement is intended to last throughout the rebuilding? Any chance of it being reviewed?

My understanding is that this was done because of the reduced width between the hoardings on P4 and the platform edge. In the morning when I travel from Thatcham and have to change at Reading for the Gatwick train P4 is almost empty so this isn't a problem but on the return journey at 5.30 P4 is understandably very busy and space on the platform is limited so this change makes sense to me. Congestion on P4 isn't helped by Cyclists riding their bikes along the platform and passengers who dawdle because they havent got a clue where they should be (despite announcesments advising them to move right down the platform.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 20, 2011, 11:47:59 am
As BerkshireBugsy says, it's due to the narrow width of the platforms where the hoardings are currently erected.  I think it is under constant review, but I can't see anything changing until the hoardings come down.  Similarly, 3-Car Turbos now stop some 15 metres back in the other direction which means anyone waiting in the centre of the platform also has to get walking fast to get on the train.  Perhaps better use of signs and announcements could be made though?

There will inevitably be a few years of inconvenience at different areas of the station for months at a time due to the massive rebuilding programme - platform 9 is a good example at the moment as with no canopy there's precious little shelter from the elements.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on November 20, 2011, 07:58:03 pm
My wife went through Reading yesterday, reported she couuldn't see how to get to the Three Guineas. Is it shut?
No, it's still open. The entrance is still the same too.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on November 22, 2011, 11:21:01 pm
Some more photographs now on:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=7 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=7)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on November 24, 2011, 04:53:39 am
19th December for 5 weeks according to this article

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/19/55405-huge-project-could-face-weather-hurdle/ (http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2011/11/19/55405-huge-project-could-face-weather-hurdle/)
I received a lovely email (with horrendous grammar and spelling) from Network Rail today telling me they would update their website as it was "falling short [on] this occasion".

They also confirmed the road closures affecting through traffic from 19th Dec to 30th January.

On top of that, they emailed me a newsletter about works and affected train services that will be "distributed starting next week" - so I'll post it on Monday (though many members of the site have probably already seen it!)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 24, 2011, 06:27:12 am
Although I travel through reading every working day it is dark at both ends of my journey so I don't get to see the progress on the new platform (4?) Which is being built next to platform 4b so am pleased to see the updates coming out vie this forum.


Am I dreaming or is it supposed to be ready for use when they change the platform numbers over the Xmas break?


Once again thanks for the updates and newsletter - much appreciated


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on November 24, 2011, 06:47:41 am
Although I travel through reading every working day it is dark at both ends of my journey so I don't get to see the progress on the new platform (4?) Which is being built next to platform 4b so am pleased to see the updates coming out vie this forum.


Am I dreaming or is it supposed to be ready for use when they change the platform numbers over the Xmas break?


Once again thanks for the updates and newsletter - much appreciated
Platform 4 or the future number 7 will open on 27th December "at approximately 1400"
Platform 9 or the future number 10 will open on 28th December
The new platform 4 will open on 31 December.

That's all I have dates for new platforms, I think the platforms are meant to all be done when the station "reopens" at Easter 2013

Edit: All platforms will be renumbered (not necessarily complete  on 27 December)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on November 24, 2011, 10:02:22 am
I'm not a regular user of Reading - most of the time it's just that place where you get delayed going to and from London.

But I had to change there on Monday to get to Gatwick. And I really hadn't appreciated how much work is going on.

Thanks for posting the Staff Newsletter. I'll certainly be following this thread with much more interest in the future.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 24, 2011, 10:24:17 am
IIRC the main reason for the extended closure of the 'Southern' platforms for a few days during the Christmas week is that there isn't quite enough room to fit a pair of operational tracks between the new P4 and the new P5 (current P4B) - this is due to the slight curvature of the existing platform, which has to be trimmed back slightly in places so it's parallel to the new platform.

I'd assume (but no guarantees!) that the track laying alongside the new P4 (or at least the first 8 car length) probably won't start until the in use track and all its top and bottom ballast is removed - which will allow them the space to do a thorough job over the whole width.

As far as the new platform structure is concerned though, I think progress has moved up a few gears over the last 10 days or so, and it ought to be structurally complete quite soon.  It also looks as though the canopy will only extend as far as the bridge - which still covers two thirds of the overall length, so should be quite adequate for a 12 car platform.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 24, 2011, 10:33:52 am
As far as the new platform structure is concerned though, I think progress has moved up a few gears over the last 10 days or so, and it ought to be structurally complete quite soon.  It also looks as though the canopy will only extend as far as the bridge - which still covers two thirds of the overall length, so should be quite adequate for a 12 car platform.

I'm sure progress is moving on but when it is raining and dark it isn't always to see what is happening. Certainly over the last few weeks  have noticed work on the canopy etc progressing quickly - at what point will they lay the track up to the platform?

Out of curiosity when will the track get laid in the eastern underpass? I notice the points are there on the southern side - will this wait until more work has been completed on the northern side?



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 24, 2011, 11:09:08 am
...at what point will they lay the track up to the platform?

I just explained that in the post you are replying to?   However if you mean the track beyond,  and the section over Vastern Rd bridge, then they could do that before hand as it doesn't interfere with the existing route into 4B.

Quote
Out of curiosity when will the track get laid in the eastern underpass? I notice the points are there on the southern side - will this wait until more work has been completed on the northern side?

I expect as it joins the track leading towards platforms 14 and 15 it will probably only be done once the platforms are built, so just prior to May 2013.

Paul



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 25, 2011, 01:20:16 pm
It also looks as though the canopy will only extend as far as the bridge - which still covers two thirds of the overall length, so should be quite adequate for a 12 car platform.

Especially when you consider the current canopy on 4A/B only provides shelter for just over two carriage lengths, about 30%, of the platform.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Pedros on November 25, 2011, 03:22:22 pm
Yesterday evening, during the delays to services arriving at Reading Station, the arrival screens were especially confusing.  They were actually showing two trains as 'Arrived' at the same time! The Hereford train, which was on platform 4 with doors still open but about to leave, and the Swansea train which was still outside the station, both displayed 'Arrived'.  You can imagine the confusion with passengers who were already heavily delayed scrambling on and off trains.  Very poor if you ask me.

Some passengers were even saying that stating that the train had 'arrived' long before it actually did was a way to mask some of the punctuality performance. It raised a wry smile from me.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 25, 2011, 03:27:30 pm
Yesterday evening, during the delays to services arriving at Reading Station, the arrival screens were especially confusing.  They were actually showing two trains as 'Arrived' at the same time! The Hereford train, which was on platform 4 with doors still open but about to leave, and the Swansea train which was still outside the station, both displayed 'Arrived'.  You can imagine the confusion with passengers who were already heavily delayed scrambling on and off trains.  Very poor if you ask me.
I think what makes matters worse is the fact that due to the limited width on P4 the HSTs pull much further down - which has been discussed elsewhere. So you had the situation where Pax walked all the way down to P4 only to find the service they were waiting for was re-platformed to arrive at P5/P8/P9 etc.

Hopefully tonight will be better :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on November 25, 2011, 04:55:20 pm
Yesterday evening, during the delays to services arriving at Reading Station, the arrival screens were especially confusing.  They were actually showing two trains as 'Arrived' at the same time! The Hereford train, which was on platform 4 with doors still open but about to leave, and the Swansea train which was still outside the station, both displayed 'Arrived'.  You can imagine the confusion with passengers who were already heavily delayed scrambling on and off trains.  Very poor if you ask me.

You would think it would be fairly simple to make the "trigger" point for the "Arrived" to be displayed after Signal TR36 - the one just outside the station.  "The train now arriving at Platform 4..." is triggered as the train passes the signal - would make sense for both to be in parallel.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on November 27, 2011, 06:41:31 pm
Here is Issue 1 of Reading Station News. (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByDs20XdYEFaZjViYzU5YjQtYTkwNy00NTJlLTgxNjEtZmU2YjQ4Y2ZiYjdh)

Distributed starting tomorrow.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 27, 2011, 08:06:17 pm
Here is Issue 1 of Reading Station News. (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0ByDs20XdYEFaZjViYzU5YjQtYTkwNy00NTJlLTgxNjEtZmU2YjQ4Y2ZiYjdh)

Distributed starting tomorrow.

Very informative and well presented. Thanks!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on November 28, 2011, 11:11:58 am
Indeed good first edition.

Top of page 3 though seems to have a photograph of a different station though?  It's certainly not the barriers at Reading.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on November 28, 2011, 01:57:39 pm
You're right Boppy. That's the gateline at Oxford!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: hornbeam on November 30, 2011, 02:17:20 pm
Anyone know why there has been a change to the infomation screens to show 'arrived'? seems a bit pointless as often it says it quite a while before the service shows up.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 30, 2011, 02:19:21 pm
Anyone know why there has been a change to the infomation screens to show 'arrived'? seems a bit pointless as often it says it quite a while before the service shows up.

And I believe it sometimes appears before it has actually arrived at the platform.

Premature Announcments....a common problem :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 30, 2011, 02:41:39 pm
New starting signals for the southern platforms have been installed, blanked out pending commissioning over Christmas.  Standalone signal masts to replace the overhead gantry that currently houses their equivalents.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: lordgoata on November 30, 2011, 03:22:57 pm
Anyone know why there has been a change to the infomation screens to show 'arrived'? seems a bit pointless as often it says it quite a while before the service shows up.


They are just being consistent with the "On time" display that is shown for trains that are running up to 3 minutes late ;)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 30, 2011, 04:25:00 pm
Anyone know why there has been a change to the infomation screens to show 'arrived'? seems a bit pointless as often it says it quite a while before the service shows up.

Your question has already arrived - back in October on page 26 of this thread...   ;D

The ensuing discussions tried to work out what triggered the early arrival of the arrived indication.   ???

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on November 30, 2011, 04:38:33 pm
The arrival indication is triggered by the passing of the signal outside of the platform, the reason for its early appearance will be because of how far out of the station this signal is.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 30, 2011, 04:42:37 pm
On arrival on platform 4b last night (Tuesday 29th Nov) it *appeared* as if the trackways on the new platform 4 were being cleared ready for track laying- is this the case or was I imagining it ? It was very dark outside!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on November 30, 2011, 06:51:27 pm
They were using one of those laser controlled 'road rail' bulldozers to level the formation on Monday afternoon - I asked a passing 'orange person with a NR label' if that meant track laying was reasonably imminent, and he didn't say no!

Which just goes to show that what I was told at the information display outside the station a few months back might have been duff gen.  (I mentioned the other day that the tracks in new P4 couldn't be laid because they might interfere with those in new P5 - of course it may just turn out that they can be physically installed, but not actually used by trains as the full 'six foot' gap isn't there.)

They're definitely at a stage where a lot can happen in a week, I noticed that beyond Vastern Rd bridge the platform copings were in position,  and immediately on the station side of the bridge a stockpile of copings and tactile pavers was in position - they can be put in place pretty quickly I expect.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 30, 2011, 07:29:33 pm
Thanks Paul I am genuinely impressed with the progress made in the last two daya


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements plat 4a/b
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 01, 2011, 06:25:45 am
I noticed this morning (Thursday 1st dec) 3 new upright supports just past the covered area on the above platforms - out of curiosity does anyone know what these are for? They would be about the right for support a roof extension but would be suprised if that is what they are for.

You can tell I have too much time on my hands when changing trains at reading!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on December 02, 2011, 11:44:36 am
Some pictures I took this morning of the work on Platform 9.

Most of the buildings appear to have been knocked down with the spoil heaps out to the west.

What interests me next which, hasn't been discussed much as far as I'm aware, is the track work about to happen on platform 9.  I see that pieces of spare track have been laid down next to the existing track and there are bags of ballast sat at one end.

As I understand it the plan is for the existing platform 9 to be extended southward (to make room to the north for the new platforms)  So I'm assuming the first step is to re-lay the track for platform 9 to make space for the platform to be extended southwards?

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 02, 2011, 12:30:42 pm
Platform 9 (10 in the new scheme) definitely does get widened to the south over its full length,  there will only be two tracks between the two existing islands - the eventual up and down mains as it happens. 

However what surprises me is the possibility that it is happening over the Christmas and New Year partial closure of the station.  Unless they are using some sort of very high speed installation method with prefabricated sections it seems a very ambitious timescale...

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 02, 2011, 12:34:57 pm
On my way in to Reading this morning (from Reading West) I notice two yellow Network Rail sets parked up in the area next to the GWML.Does anyone know if these are here in relation to any local acitvities (such as track laying changes to Reading Station)?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements plat 4a/b
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 02, 2011, 02:59:22 pm
I noticed this morning (Thursday 1st dec) 3 new upright supports just past the covered area on the above platforms - out of curiosity does anyone know what these are for? They would be about the right for support a roof extension but would be suprised if that is what they are for.

I would guess they're supports for a barrier that will separate platforms 4A/B whilst work to lengthen them takes place one at a time.

What interests me next which, hasn't been discussed much as far as I'm aware, is the track work about to happen on platform 9.  I see that pieces of spare track have been laid down next to the existing track and there are bags of ballast sat at one end.

As I understand it the plan is for the existing platform 9 to be extended southward (to make room to the north for the new platforms)

I think that track will be laid in the gap very soon and some temporary platform sections will be required whilst a proper platform eventually takes shape a few metres south of the current one.  I think that sections of yellow coloured temporary platform are being installed down the slope to the eastern underpass - they certainly look like temporary sections of platform, and possibly the prefabricated sections that Paul was hinting at.  I'm sure the 'Station News' will tell us shortly.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: coachflyer on December 02, 2011, 03:57:35 pm
Was told this week that over the Christmas period platform 9 (new 10) is being widened from the didcot end up to the over bridge with a 25mph speed through it.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 02, 2011, 04:24:00 pm
I think that track will be laid in the gap very soon and some temporary platform sections will be required whilst a proper platform eventually takes shape a few metres south of the current one.  I think that sections of yellow coloured temporary platform are being installed down the slope to the eastern underpass - they certainly look like temporary sections of platform, and possibly the prefabricated sections that Paul was hinting at.  I'm sure the 'Station News' will tell us shortly.

That's the sort of method I was thinking of.  Presumably once you have something (anything) that allows passengers to reach the newly aligned track, you can replace it with the permanent structure gradually.  I once had an idea that you could build a mobile temporary deck that ran on the redundant rails for such a project - but I expect H&S experts wouldn't allow something that could set off down the line if its brakes failed...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 03, 2011, 07:23:52 am
Last night I noticed on the CIS displays at Guildford showed that buses were replacing train services between Wokingham and Reading (Sunday only I think) so I wonder what is being done. I wish it was light when I travel in and out Reading so I could see what was going on!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 03, 2011, 10:46:07 am
Might just be the normal extended overnight closure for track work on the approaches to the Southern platforms.  Most weekends are affected (even if only for a few hours) until mid-Jan, just like back in late summer - but according to SWT's engineering work page some closures extend as far as Bracknell, so it could include normal maintainance as well...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 03, 2011, 02:10:58 pm
Here's the latest 'Station News', which answers a few questions posed on this thread recently.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7014/6446668183_87afe5f8c0_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 03, 2011, 04:07:47 pm
I noticed the comment in the update sheet about "will it be ready on time?" If you had asked me a week ago I would have thought "no" but it has come on so quickly. I am back there early Monday morning and am hoping the 634 for Gatwick leaves from 4b as you can get a better view of what is happening.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jonathan H on December 04, 2011, 12:05:59 pm
Plenty of work underway on the new platform today with 4A/4B under possession. There is a 66-hauled engineers train with ballast and sleepers in platform 4B which would appear to suggest that the track will be in place along the platform tomorrow morning.

Gatwick trains departing from platform 6 today - pick up only at Wokingham - buses for South West Trains passengers.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 04, 2011, 12:07:49 pm
Plenty of work underway on the new platform today with 4A/4B under possession. There is a 66-hauled engineers train with ballast and sleepers in platform 4B which would appear to suggest that the track will be in place along the platform tomorrow morning.

Gatwick trains departing from platform 6 today - pick up only at Wokingham - buses for South West Trains passengers.

Wow - it certainly is all happening!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements monday 5th december 2011
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 05, 2011, 06:30:09 am
Difficult to see detail from the window of the parked SWT service on platform 4b this morning but the new track is laid next to t he new p4 so it looks like it has been a busy weekend here. Also looks like more cable ducting has been installed on the existing 4a/b platforms .

I notice the new p4 rails only appear to be 2 rail which suprised me as I thought this platform was going to be used by SWT services (but then it is very two out there)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 05, 2011, 09:59:00 am
From what I've seen on previous new installations the third rail is usually fitted during a follow up visit, the insulators probably wouldn't be fitted to the as delivered sleepers anyway.

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 05, 2011, 10:24:30 am
From what I've seen on previous new installations the third rail is usually fitted during a follow up visit, the insulators probably wouldn't be fitted to the as delivered sleepers anyway.

Paul 

You are probably right Paul. Would I be right in assuming the third rail will be farthest away from the edge of the new P4?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 05, 2011, 04:58:34 pm
Yes, normal practice would definitely be to fit the third rail on the side away from a platform.  The only exceptions would be those comparatively rare situations where there's a platform both sides, such as at Ascot or Guildford.  Another rare situation is where there's points or a crossover alongside a platform - that might theoretically lead to a short section of third rail being required, but I can't think of any immediate examples of that.  Where you have points very close to the end of a platform the third rail might well start just alongside the ramp though.

Paul
   


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 05, 2011, 06:25:14 pm
From the Reading Post (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2104530_passengers_to_learn_about_christmas_rail_works):

Quote
Passengers to learn about Christmas rail works

Passengers will have a chance to find out more about the planned changes to Reading railway station at a public exhibition tomorrow.

Staff from Network Rail, First Great Western and Reading Borough Council will be on hand between 8am and 7pm to answer questions about the next phase of the ^850 million redevelopment project.

Network Rail project director Bill Henry said: "A host of changes will be rung over the festive period which the public should be aware of, including a change to platform numbers at the station, as a new platform is being added, and a temporary diversion at Cow Lane while a new bridge is constructed."


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on December 05, 2011, 07:17:12 pm
Seems the National Rail iPhone app has the new booked platforms at Reading from the timetable change rather than December 27th.  Look out for lost souls heading for the west country at platform 7 from next weekend..... ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements monday 5th december 2011
Post by: Electric train on December 05, 2011, 07:20:26 pm
I notice the new p4 rails only appear to be 2 rail which suprised me as I thought this platform was going to be used by SWT services (but then it is very two out there)
The Conrail is generally last to be installed for a couple of reasons; there is no need for Conrail permits and strapping out, it is easier to tamp align etc the line without the Conrail being in place likewise for the S & T it is easier to work without the Conrail, the insulators run the risk of damage while the track is being installed, the Conrail leveling and hight is easier one the line is tamped.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 05, 2011, 08:11:57 pm
Seems the National Rail iPhone app has the new booked platforms at Reading from the timetable change rather than December 27th.  Look out for lost souls heading for the west country at platform 7 from next weekend..... ;D

They probably won't hang about too long once they notice the track's been lifted though...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on December 06, 2011, 08:17:54 pm
More photos have popped up on:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=86377545&postcount=138 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=86377545&postcount=138)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements monday 5th december 2011
Post by: onthecushions on December 07, 2011, 07:45:44 pm
Difficult to see detail from the window of the parked SWT service on platform 4b this morning but the new track is laid next to t he new p4 so it looks like it has been a busy weekend here. Also looks like more cable ducting has been installed on the existing 4a/b platforms .

I notice the new p4 rails only appear to be 2 rail which suprised me as I thought this platform was going to be used by SWT services (but then it is very two out there)

If you can see the sleeper ends clearly, you should see the four foundation plugs cast into the concrete sleeper ready for the bracket for the insulator pot.

Oddly enough you'll see these at the most unlikely sites for 3rd rail electrics.


OTC


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on December 12, 2011, 02:29:33 pm
New track is now between the existing track for platforms 9 and 8.  At the moment the ends need attaching to the existing track.  At each end there are curves pointing towards the platform 9 track.

One thing I've noticed is that the new straight part of track won't be long enough to accommodate an HST within it so I'm assuming that the new temporary platform 9 will either be curved at each end to allow HSTs to use it or will turbos only serve the temporary platform 9?

Boppy.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 12, 2011, 05:34:52 pm
I think that newly laid middle track for the widened P9 (future P10) will probably be extended further east during the Christmas closure, but there'll be some signal equipment resiting needed to allow for it, in fact I'd be surprised if the east end crossover between the relief lines isn't relocated east as well - isn't the signal at the London end of the current P8 supposed to be moving?

I noticed today the top ballast has now been laid in the new P4, and some conductor rail has now been delivered - it has a slightly different cross-section to running rail, the thicker base web gives it away.  I don't think I've seen quite so many workers together on the new P4 as today - they must be trying to meet some deadline or other, one of the briefing notes posted earlier suggested staff would be learning about new P4 this week - but obviously not today!

There are notices up everywhere announcing P7 is now closed with XC using P3 in lieu - but it still got used a couple of times at short notice this afternoon as there were a few signalling issues just east of the station, with most down trains using the current P4 for a while.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 13, 2011, 10:10:51 am
I remember seeing a diagram where there was a distinct kink in the eastern end of the new platform 10 after Xmas and a 25mph speed limit imposed on the Up Relief line during that stage of the works.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on December 14, 2011, 05:03:10 pm
I experienced the double "Arrived" train situation myself today.

3-car turbo to Paddington on Platform 8.  Then a platform alteration announcement that the train to Gatwick will now leave from Platform 8.  Everybody rushes to board with the signs doing anything but helping.

Thankfully the platform staff were there to stop people incorrectly boarding the train.

Regardless of the problem of what triggers the point at which a train is "Arrived" the software could surely be updated to check that the sign should only say "Arrived" if the train is number 1 in the list.  Numbers 2 (or 3) in the list could say "Due next" or something.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Louis94 on December 15, 2011, 05:03:29 pm
I experienced the double "Arrived" train situation myself today.

3-car turbo to Paddington on Platform 8.  Then a platform alteration announcement that the train to Gatwick will now leave from Platform 8.  Everybody rushes to board with the signs doing anything but helping.

Thankfully the platform staff were there to stop people incorrectly boarding the train.

Regardless of the problem of what triggers the point at which a train is "Arrived" the software could surely be updated to check that the sign should only say "Arrived" if the train is number 1 in the list.  Numbers 2 (or 3) in the list could say "Due next" or something.

Oh dear, that is just terrible! This is all because of the transfer to the new system at Reading with old hardware, soon as the new screens are installed, they will cease to say "Arrived" and will instead just say the same as everywhere else.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 16, 2011, 06:33:18 am
I'm going to be genuinely impressed if the new p4 is open as scheduled. There still seems a lot to do and I guess Fgw staff can't have familiariastion training whilst it is still technically a construction site.

But there are still quite a few calendar days left before the 27th so there is still a chance.

Am I right in thinking the platform re-numbering will happen even if the new p4 is not ready?  I can't imagine that being done at any other time.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jonathan H on December 16, 2011, 07:05:53 am
The new Southern platforms do not open until 31 December - a bus substitution applies between Reading and Wokingham for the period 27-30 December so there's a bit more time to get things finished. After Christmas, it appears to be 4A and the new platform in use (as 6 and 4 respectively.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 16, 2011, 09:03:33 am
The new Southern platforms do not open until 31 December - a bus substitution applies between Reading and Wokingham for the period 27-30 December so there's a bit more time to get things finished. After Christmas, it appears to be 4A and the new platform in use (as 6 and 4 respectively.

THanks but I am getting confused here. I can understand buses replacing trains between Reading and Wokingham for SWT services but does this also apply for FGW?

The TM on my RDG to Reigate service this morning lead me to believe the FGW trains were running as normal between xmas and new year. The phrase Replacement Bus Services" has the same affect on me as reading the sentence "batteries not included"


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: adc82140 on December 16, 2011, 10:42:02 am
I guess the Gatwicks will be using the main part of the station during this time? Is it usual practice to bustitute the SWT's to prevent overcrowding on the Gatwicks at times like this?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 16, 2011, 10:45:55 am
I guess the Gatwicks will be using the main part of the station during this time? Is it usual practice to bustitute the SWT's to prevent overcrowding on the Gatwicks at times like this?

Certainly has been the practice in the past, and Wokingham has always been declared pick up only ex Reading, and set down only ex Gatwick, to try to stop Waterloo passengers hitching a ride to Wokingham with FGW, and overwhelming their trains.

Edit: I wrote the above before I'd checked the journey planner, so I guess the previous poster was mistakenly thinking FGW were running normally...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 16, 2011, 10:55:19 am
I guess the Gatwicks will be using the main part of the station during this time?

Erm, there's no trains at all from 27th-30th between Reading and Wokingham!  There's a whole load of signals and points to commission, including some signals on the spur line linking the main platforms with the southern lines.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 16, 2011, 10:58:18 am
I guess the Gatwicks will be using the main part of the station during this time?

Erm, there's no trains at all from 27th-30th between Reading and Wokingham!  There's a whole load of signals and points to commission, including some signals on the spur line linking the main platforms with the southern lines.

That makes sense. When they put the buses on to Wokingham do they leave RDG at the scheduled departure time of a FGW Gatwick/Redhill service or do they just leave at regular intervals? If the former is true do they revise the departure times from Wokingham?

I'm just trying to work out if it would be easier to drive from Thatcham to Reigate during that period.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 16, 2011, 11:08:48 am
That makes sense. When they put the buses on to Wokingham do they leave RDG at the scheduled departure time of a FGW Gatwick/Redhill service or do they just leave at regular intervals? If the former is true do they revise the departure times from Wokingham?


What they'd normally do is run the trains at the right time (as normal timetable) from Wokingham, and a theoretical connecting bus would leave Reading earlier than normal - and the journey planner does give bus departure times. I'd expect there'll be different buses for SWT and FGW though, the former being all stations to Wokingham. 

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 16, 2011, 11:09:06 am
Regular intervals.  Check the National Rail Enquiries website - all the details are on there...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 16, 2011, 11:16:46 am
What they'd normally do is run the trains at the right time (as normal timetable) from Wokingham, and a theoretical connecting bus would leave Reading earlier than normal - and the journey planner does give bus departure times. I'd expect there'll be different buses for SWT and FGW though, the former being all stations to Wokingham. 

Paul 

THanks Paul and II - sadly it's not possible to travel by train and arrive in Reigate at my normalish time (Before 8) so car it is but thanks for your help

Dave


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on December 16, 2011, 07:05:13 pm
I'm going to be genuinely impressed if the new p4 is open as scheduled. There still seems a lot to do and I guess Fgw staff can't have familiariastion training whilst it is still technically a construction site.

But there are still quite a few calendar days left before the 27th so there is still a chance.

...

I'm sure they can get it all finished in time, but like you I'm also quite surprised at how much is being done so close to the deadline. Have there been delays? It seems a bit hair raising if it was planned this way from the start. They were still pouring concrete for the platform base in late november, not much margin for delay...


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 16, 2011, 07:22:56 pm
I'm sure they can get it all finished in time, but like you I'm also quite surprised at how much is being done so close to the deadline. Have there been delays? It seems a bit hair raising if it was planned this way from the start. They were still pouring concrete for the platform base in late november, not much margin for delay...

IIRC there were some delays to the area immediately adjacent to the buffer stop end, they had to dig out a massive lump of concrete and then do a load of concrete grouting to reinforce the underlying earth before digging out for the footings.

I also think they'll make the overall deadline easily now though.   

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 17, 2011, 11:06:26 am
I also think they'll make the overall deadline easily now though.   

There really isn't that much to do, and don't forget that even if things did get tight there's no actual need for the far end to open on time as the longest trains will still only be 8-car length, so as long as that much is finished, the bit under the canopy, there will be no operational problems.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on December 17, 2011, 02:23:30 pm
Latest rumour, largely  unsubstantiated, is that the project is on time and may even be slightly ahead.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 17, 2011, 03:28:12 pm
A lot of activity around the new p4 today (Saturday) - the 3rd rail pillars are in place and part of the 3rd rail itself has been laid.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: SandTEngineer on December 19, 2011, 08:40:04 pm
A lot of activity around the new p4 today (Saturday) - the 3rd rail pillars are in place and part of the 3rd rail itself has been laid.

The are pots not pillars ::)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 19, 2011, 09:12:57 pm
Pots, or posts?  ??? :P


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 20, 2011, 06:23:43 am
My description of the equipment required to hold the power rail in poaccsition may not have been technically accurate but it was close enough for others to know what I am talking about:)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 20, 2011, 09:27:21 am
Pots was the nickname given when they were generally white ceramic devices. 

'Adjustable height insulators' are the modern equivalent you'd see on a new build or renewal...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 21, 2011, 03:40:44 pm
Where are all the Freightliners etc going whilst the Cow Lane Bridge on Reading West curve is being replaced?  When I was waiting at Pangbourne yesterday for the 0947 to Rdg a FL came through on the UR (with the 0947 4L behind it - but that's another story) so I presume the rail closure is shorter than the road closure. 

I presume they wouldn't be reversed in Reading, so are they going via Kensington, or Westbury, or what?



Edited for typos


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 21, 2011, 08:17:50 pm
Cow Lane bridge is only closed to rail traffic for just over two days, from 5 pm on the 24th, 25th and 26th. 

I don't think there'll be much freight moving around the country on either day, but presumably it will be the Didcot - Oxford closure, which lasts longer, that will have a significant effect on freight routeings?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 22, 2011, 06:27:48 am
Some things I noticed on wednesday 21st December

On the old p4 there is now a big diagram about halfway down the hoardings showing the new platform and track layouts

On the new p4 the signage is up in the NR blue colours . There also seem to be some new signs signs opposite the excess fares office.

It looks like it is all coming together.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on December 22, 2011, 09:13:57 am
It looks like it is all coming together.
I am sure there is a P3e plan behind it mapped into Oracel to cost it all of which has had an ARM QRSA and QRA which is all, to me a humble Project Engineer, Project Manager gobbledygook for Can we build this ............. yes we can    ;D  ;D

There will be a very detailed plan for the whole of Reading with all the mile stones, key dependencies, contingencies, risks etc mapped into it this will not only have taken just Reading into account but the wider Western route and the wider impact that this station has Nationally


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 23, 2011, 12:00:33 pm
Latest bumper edition of the station newsletter:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6558771691_2704504abb_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on December 23, 2011, 01:37:30 pm
Interesting, thanks for these updates.

I'm curious about the process for lengthening 4a/4b, as I would assume that the whole island would be extended in one go rather than two narrow strips one after the other. So once 4b is re-opened in March, and 4a closed, what further work will be required on 4a, apart from canopies etc?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 23, 2011, 01:59:30 pm
I'm sure that it would have been very desirable to alter both platforms at the same time, but there needs to be two southern platforms available for use at all times.  With both platforms getting straightened out (especially 4b) to fit into the new track layout, which of course has to be altered to allow their length to be extended to 12 carriages, that would not be possible to do all at once without closure of both platforms for a considerable amount of time.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 23, 2011, 02:43:21 pm
I've an idea that much of the extension of what will become platform 5 and 6 may well be done while the first of the two platforms is out of use, ie when platform 5 reopens it might include the furthest 4 car length of platform 6 as well, because the significant section over the Vastern Rd bridge will presumably be prefabricated like the section of new platform 4 already completed.

What I'm thinking. IYSWIM, is that the eventual P6 closure might not take as long as the P5 closure...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on December 26, 2011, 03:49:33 pm
Cow Lane Bridge Work Delayed


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-16142664 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-16142664)

The BBC is reporting that the installation of the new bridge is delayed untill 18:00 because of water in the foundation holes.  Is that a full 10 hour delay or less?  Will it be possible to recover this time by Wednesday morning?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on December 27, 2011, 04:07:40 am

The BBC is reporting that the installation of the new bridge is delayed untill 18:00 because of water in the foundation holes.  Is that a full 10 hour delay or less?  Will it be possible to recover this time by Wednesday morning?

I was there between 0030 and 0100 and the bridge was still being moved into place. I then went to do some work (that's what I am being paid for). When I left 35 minutes ago it was finished. I was very pleasantly surprised at the number of people who were watching given the time.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 27, 2011, 07:43:14 pm
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-16338949):

Quote
Reading Cow Lane bridge lifted into place after delay

A new 1,600-tonne bridge has been installed in Reading.

One of two bridges in Cow Lane was demolished on Christmas Day but the installation of its replacement was delayed because of water in the foundations.

It was finally manoeuvred into place with a 66-axle vehicle on Tuesday morning. Crowds of people turned out to watch the seven-hour operation.

Cow Lane will be closed until 30 January and diversions are in place.

Trains are due to start running over the new bridge, made of concrete and steel, later this week once the tracks are replaced.

The work will allow for two lanes of traffic, a cycle lane and a pavement under the new bridge.

It will mean double-decker buses can use the road.

Network Rail project director Bill Henry said the bridges were a "notorious bottleneck".

The new bridge structure has been built at a nearby site and is part of the ^850m Reading Station redevelopment.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on December 27, 2011, 08:02:18 pm
The Live departure board at Reading seems very confused at the moment:

The 19:56 Paddington to Weston Super Mare is shown as Platform 4 (Has to be the old number 4)

The 20:06 Paddington to Plymouth is shown as Platform 7 (Has to be the new number 7)

So thats two successive trains leaving from the same platform (old 4 becomes new 7), but the departure board give two different numbers!

No wonder they need extra staff to direct passengers!

PS Not just a one off - P4 seems to crop up regularly and at least one p5. 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on December 30, 2011, 10:52:27 pm
Time lapse footage of Cow Lane's bridge being replaced has been released.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-16367565


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on December 30, 2011, 11:33:00 pm
Time lapse footage of Cow Lane's bridge being replaced has been released.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-16367565

Thanks for that.

Not clear where the delay occured though. Also not sure why it is under Hampshire.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on December 31, 2011, 02:26:15 am
It doesn't appear in the Hampshire part of the website, I'd imagine it was just human error.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2011, 11:50:05 am
A couple of photos of the new layout at Reading station.

Firstly the realigned platform 10 (old platform 8 ) with the temporary platform sections and a dramatic kink in the old track layout at the western end mean a 25mph speed restriction is now in force whilst the platform is rebuilt into island platforms 10 and 11.  Platform 11, the old platform 10, will then be converted from a bay to through platform.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6606019077_4df4e7fa7a_b.jpg)



And here's the new shiny platform 4 ready for business and looking very nice I have to say.  Track for platform 5 has also been re-laid ready for platform 5 to be rebuilt in a straighter formation over the coming months.  Note the position of the buffer stops, now a good coach length away from the physical end of the platform.  Modern safety standards I expect, though how many thousands of people will just miss their train over the coming years with that extra distance to go I wouldn't like to guess!
 
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6606017083_74fed660f4_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jonathan H on December 31, 2011, 03:16:49 pm
I rode to Wokingham from the new platform 4 (1234 Reading to Redhill) and back into platform 6 (1134 Redhill to Reading) to have a daytime ride over the new formation.  I was a little suprised at how far down into the dip the new junctions are.  Traversing the new junctions is however a lot smoother than before and should save a few seconds in the future.

From the car park, you can see clearly that trains in platform 4 stop almost a whole class 458 carriage length (20 metres) further east than in platforms 5 and 6.

Is any further trackwork planned or is the final formation now in place?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on December 31, 2011, 04:46:08 pm
Firstly the realigned platform 10 (old platform 8 ) with the temporary platform sections and a dramatic kink in the old track layout at the western end mean a 25mph speed restriction is now in force whilst the platform is rebuilt into island platforms 10 and 11.  Platform 11, the old platform 10, will then be converted from a bay to through platform.
Am I wrong? the photo is the old 9 taken from the old 8 at the old 6 (new 16) end, so is the old 9 the new 10?

Boy I thought KX was complex with its plat 0 and 9 3/4   ::) ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2011, 04:51:47 pm
Yep, sorry, I should have said 'realigned platform 10 (old platform 9)'


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 31, 2011, 05:18:09 pm
I rode to Wokingham from the new platform 4 (1234 Reading to Redhill) and back into platform 6 (1134 Redhill to Reading) to have a daytime ride over the new formation.  I was a little suprised at how far down into the dip the new junctions are.  Traversing the new junctions is however a lot smoother than before and should save a few seconds in the future.

...Is any further trackwork planned or is the final formation now in place?

The new junctions are significantly longer, to allow for various parallel moves in and out of the new platforms (ie at the same time), but without using any 'diamond' crossovers at all, as per current standards.  So an up train from new P4 has to weave across to the up line in two stages, rather than using a crossover straightover the down line.   

It is also seems current best practice is to avoid S&C components on any sort of gradient - so that also extends the whole layout.

From what I've seen previously I think the track layout is probably now complete.

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2011, 06:31:12 pm
It is also seems current best practice is to avoid S&C components on any sort of gradient - so that also extends the whole layout.

Some of the new crossovers are very much on a gradient!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on December 31, 2011, 06:35:50 pm
It is also seems current best practice is to avoid S&C components on any sort of gradient - so that also extends the whole layout.

Some of the new crossovers are very much on a gradient!

Another bit of 'duff gen' from someone at one of those NR public displays then...   ::)

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 01, 2012, 05:18:20 pm
Time lapse footage of Cow Lane's bridge being replaced has been released.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-16367565
Not clear where the delay occured though.

Here's a possible theory, purely from the video though. 

Looking at the procedure shown, the foundation pads (or footings) seem to have been built integrally with the bridge sides, prior to it moving. See at 1m 18s.  I think this means they would have to excavate wide trenches to very exact dimensions with very accurate depths and more importantly accurate flatness and compaction.  It may just be that heavy rainfall slowed down the digging and levelling.

Normally footing concrete would be poured into the ground, then it would self-level to an extent, and be allowed a decent time to set hard, the method seen here seems to be designed specifically for speed - but can be slowed by rain.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 01, 2012, 09:26:19 pm
Another bit of 'duff gen' at one of those NR public displays then...   ::)

I'm sure it's just a question of space constraints.  Ideally, on the level is best, but when you haven't got the room.  Bear in mind the distance between Spur Junction and the buffer stops is less than a mile and in that space you have to fit all the extra crossovers for the three platforms and the crossovers to the route that will eventually be reinstated under the GWML to the north side of the station.

I'd have thought that as long as any gradient remains constant, then it shouldn't make too much difference.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 02, 2012, 03:54:49 pm
Another bit of 'duff gen' at one of those NR public displays then...   ::)

I'm sure it's just a question of space constraints.  Ideally, on the level is best, but when you haven't got the room.  Bear in mind the distance between Spur Junction and the buffer stops is less than a mile and in that space you have to fit all the extra crossovers for the three platforms and the crossovers to the route that will eventually be reinstated under the GWML to the north side of the station.

I'd have thought that as long as any gradient remains constant, then it shouldn't make too much difference.

In hindsight, I wonder if they were trying (without much success) to explain that the additional S&C couldn't be fitted on a constant slope of the same length of the original gradient,  so as well as the move to allow for longer platforms the sloping section had to be lengthened overall so that it could be fitted?  Does that makes sense...   ???

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: FellowTraveller on January 02, 2012, 09:59:11 pm
More photos have popped up on:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=7


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on January 02, 2012, 10:22:20 pm
It also has a link to a better time lapse video of Cow Lane and some You Tube Video of Platform 4.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on January 04, 2012, 06:30:42 pm
Old habits die hard.  I was on Reading Station last week and because of signalling problems east of Reading they were doing a lot of manual annoucements.  The person doing them kept getting his platform 7s confused with his platform 4s causing much amusement among the despatch staff on the new platform 7.  It obviously got back to him as he was trying to avoid a fit of the giggles.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 04, 2012, 06:42:48 pm
That was happening tonight - staff getting p4 and p7 mixed up resulting in much confusion !


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: onthecushions on January 05, 2012, 08:25:09 pm

I wonder whether it would be better to rename platforms as A, B, C, etc., when numbers must change. That way staff and customers would have to think in terms of the new titles. When everything had settled down, the platforms could revert to their final numbers.

Glad to see that the Windsor Lines have kept number 4 - beautiful job the new work is.

OTC


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 05, 2012, 09:22:36 pm
....  Note the position of the buffer stops, now a good coach length away from the physical end of the platform.  Modern safety standards I expect, though how many thousands of people will just miss their train over the coming years with that extra distance to go I wouldn't like to guess!
 

I was very surprised at how far down the new platform the buffer stop now is. Is this really justifiable, in cost-benefit terms, given TPWS, the crash-worthiness of modern rolling stock etc? I'd be interested to know the impact on the cost of the scheme- that's a fair length of additional platform constructed and, given the constraints on space at the other end, must have had an effect on the work necessary to accommodate the new junction.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 06, 2012, 11:17:31 am
It is because the new devices are not actually traditional fixed 'buffer stops', but 'friction arresters'.  If you look closely you'll see that there are fitted clamps allowing the structure to slide along the rail head, and as it moves backwards it gradually impacts on more rail clamps, and these increase the friction progressively, thereby slowing the train gradually.  Friction arresters are the new standard, they are being fitted all over LU as well.  Unless you can fit the sort of hydraulic buffers (the big pistons) seen at Waterloo, the arrester is a modern way of giving a gradual stop rather than a slow speed collision.

You have to consider also that TPWS etc will not stop a train sliding under worst case railhead conditions, whether caused by ice or leaf fall.

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 06, 2012, 02:28:16 pm
Paul,

I realise how they work, and that this is now the current standard, but what I'd like to know is whether the additional cost involved, if the new platform had to be made longer than would otherwise have been the case, is justified by the reduction in risk achieved. Clearly the risks of the older style buffers weren't considered unacceptable, otherwise thousands of trains wouldn't still be allowed to stop at them every day across the country.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on January 06, 2012, 07:33:56 pm
Will they be fitted to platforms 5 & 6 when the work is completed on them?



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 06, 2012, 07:50:43 pm
I assume they would have to be as both platforms are being significantly rebuilt so would have to comply with the latest standards. One has already been placed at the end of P5, although it doesn't look as if it is fitted in its final position yet.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on January 06, 2012, 09:55:59 pm
Network Rail now have their time lapse footage of Cow Lane on their website:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/Custom/Templates/NetworkRailNewsArchiveSummary.aspx?id=30064779385 (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/Custom/Templates/NetworkRailNewsArchiveSummary.aspx?id=30064779385)

Still have not updated the Reading page though so it still says it will happen.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Tim on January 07, 2012, 02:57:26 pm
Paul,

I realise how they work, and that this is now the current standard, but what I'd like to know is whether the additional cost involved, if the new platform had to be made longer than would otherwise have been the case, is justified by the reduction in risk achieved. Clearly the risks of the older style buffers weren't considered unacceptable, otherwise thousands of trains wouldn't still be allowed to stop at them every day across the country.

I have mixed feelings about things like this.  It is good that new kit is safer than old kit and sensible for things gradually to improve.

The problem however, is that you can go too far and make the railway so expensive that people are priced off onto the more dangerous roads.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on January 07, 2012, 04:36:50 pm
A few years ago I was on duty at Reading when a voyager slid into the blocks on Platform 3. These were new, friction blocks and they were pushed back about a foot or so. The train was very busy, with lots of people stood up, ready to get off. Amazingly, no one was hurt, or even aware, that there had been an impact. Even the TM was unaware - he thought it had just been a rather sudden stop.

Whilst this was clearly a low speed impact, its not difficult to imagine that things could have been much worse had the blocks been of the fixed variety. A sudden jolt would have sent a lot of people and luggage flying.

I would think the financial case for friction blocks is easily made!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 07, 2012, 05:15:17 pm
Is it possible P3 at Reading might reflect an interim design, as there is nothing like the same distance behind the arrester, although (at least to my eye) it looks exactly the same type?

On the other hand, perhaps the distance behind the device is related to maximum train length, or weight?

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Tim on January 09, 2012, 09:30:51 am

I would think the financial case for friction blocks is easily made!

That absolutely fine then.  Thanks for the info


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 09, 2012, 10:25:30 pm
A few years ago I was on duty at Reading when a voyager slid into the blocks on Platform 3. These were new, friction blocks and they were pushed back about a foot or so. The train was very busy, with lots of people stood up, ready to get off. Amazingly, no one was hurt, or even aware, that there had been an impact. Even the TM was unaware - he thought it had just been a rather sudden stop.

And when you compare that to the (fairly) recent crash at Cannon Street in 1991.  Two people died and 524 were injured in a collision with buffer stops at only 10 miles an hour!  True, it was a very full train, and formed of very old rolling stock, but the type of buffer stop in use was also commented on in the inquiry.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on January 12, 2012, 09:31:33 pm
Work seems to have started on the site of the former Platform 7 today. When I went through this morning there was some sort of briefing going on and by this afternoon on the way back there were signs of work in progress with an excavator visible.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 12, 2012, 10:44:40 pm
There were markings painted on the platforms either side of the old P7 bay when I was there early last week, suggesting that a hoarding will be put up round the site that would take quite a big chunk off the width of platforms 8 and 9 (new numbers).

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 16, 2012, 03:27:26 pm
Over the weekend Platform 5 (formerly 4b) has now disappeared behind hoardings, and a temporary canopy has gone up over P6. Last week a section of P5 had been cut away at the far end of the island, presumably this will now continue further down as it is realigned to the new track position. In the space where the island platform is to be extended a pile boring machine and various other plant is being prepared. Sections of the track to P5 has been covered with hardboard, presumably to protect it while the works are underway.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 16, 2012, 03:32:12 pm
Over the weekend Platform 5 (formerly 4b) has now disappeared behind hoardings, and a temporary canopy has gone up over P6. Last week a section of P5 had been cut away at the far end of the island, presumably this will now continue further down as it is realigned to the new track position. In the space where the island platform is to be extended a pile boring machine and various other plant is being prepared. Sections of the track to P5 has been covered with hardboard, presumably to protect it while the works are underway.

One of the "downsides" of the new P4/5/6 arrangement is that if I am catching the 634am from Reading to Gatwick and it is freezing cold and/or pouring down with rain I cant wait on the SWT service which used to be parked across the platform. Most mornings the SWT is waiting on the new P4 and the RDG>Gatwick service pulls in on the new P6


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on January 17, 2012, 06:16:38 pm
There is also another snag.  Some trains are obviously in the system to use Platform 5 - ie the 18:52 Reading to Ascot.  It appears on the main screens around the station as platform 5 but of course there is currently no departure screen for the closed platform 5 so it effectively disappears.  It is only when, just before the stock arrives to form the service, that you get "This is a Platform alteration...the 18:52 South West Trains service etc etc" and it is switched to platform 4.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 17, 2012, 06:35:13 pm
There is also another snag.  Some trains are obviously in the system to use Platform 5 - ie the 18:52 Reading to Ascot.  It appears on the main screens around the station as platform 5 but of course there is currently no departure screen for the closed platform 5 so it effectively disappears.  It is only when, just before the stock arrives to form the service, that you get "This is a Platform alteration...the 18:52 South West Trains service etc etc" and it is switched to platform 4.

This also happens to my morning service from reading to gatwick. On the CIS system the 634 shows up on the display for P4 leaving AFTER the 70x service to waterloo .

Then a few minutes later there is a "platform alteration" pa and the CIS shows correctly.

Not a big issue for regular travellers but I have seen a few gatwick bound pax scratching their heads.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: adc82140 on January 17, 2012, 10:53:04 pm
I wonder if this is what's completely screwing up the departure boards further away on the North Downs Line? The 18:24, 19:36 and 19:55 departures off Guildford to Reading have completely disappeared from National Rail Enquiries, Live Departure Boards, the CIS at all stations on the line and whatever system FGW customer service use. It was only when I asked the customer service people on the phone to check TRUST that they admitted these services exist. The platform staff at Guildford are tearing their hair out, as apparently it's very difficult to add them manually to their CIS. They told me it was the same yesterday.

I have asked FGW Customer Service to look in to it.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: EBrown on January 20, 2012, 04:27:08 pm
I just found some (better) time lapse footage of Cow Lane Bridge. This video includes the construction of the bridge and a little more after the bridge was moved into place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4ca9xVYJqk


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 20, 2012, 07:15:22 pm
Sad news regarding the death of a contractor linked with the project:

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2106588_police_investigate_lorry_death (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2106588_police_investigate_lorry_death)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on January 20, 2012, 11:13:57 pm
Of little comfort to his family I know, but nice to read - if the article is accurate - that the company employs 69 year olds and doesn't send them packing at whatever age the retirement limit is this week.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: John R on January 20, 2012, 11:40:19 pm
There isn't one. Since October employers cannot terminate employment solely because of age (unless they are in one of a small group of occupations where safety is deemed a paramount consideration). 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on January 21, 2012, 08:23:41 am
Of little comfort to his family I know, but nice to read - if the article is accurate - that the company employs 69 year olds and doesn't send them packing at whatever age the retirement limit is this week.
There isn't one. Since October employers cannot terminate employment solely because of age (unless they are in one of a small group of occupations where safety is deemed a paramount consideration). 
Also he could have been self employed which is quite common in both the haulage and construction industries. 

Sad news, as all deaths are, on what has so far been a project with a very good safety record


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on January 24, 2012, 01:24:45 pm
Took this quick photo as I was boarding train today.

Last view of the old platform 7 before it gets fully boarded up.

The gap where the tracks were has been filled in already.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on January 24, 2012, 02:58:35 pm
Does anyone know if the new layout at Reading will cure the problem of a train being trapped on the approach to platform 7 (formerly platform 4) if a train fails or is otherwise delayed while at the platform?  It happened again today.  A three car unit came in the platform out of service at about 12:20.  I assume it had failed somewhere as it had a red tail lamp perched on the driver's desk in the rear cab.  It then sat there for 15 minutes before being moved.  In the meantime the 12:27 to Bristol Temple Meads and the 12:33 to Penzance were queuing outside the station with no where to go.  I assume the Penzance service could have been moved to another platform as it was before a crossover, but the 12:27 could only gain another platform by reversing which would have been very time consuming.  As a result it left 12 minutes late and only just ahead of the following Cardiff service which had been diverted to Platform 8.  It does seem a weakness that the final signal before the platform is effectively a dead end - there is only one way to go if/when it clears.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 24, 2012, 05:30:05 pm
Some you Win some you Lose ::)

The signal on the approach to P7 was installed over ten years ago and allows a shorter platform reoccupation time under normal working.  Unfortunately an HST stood at this signal has its tail end over the points leading from the Down Main to Up Main and so a train stood at the signal near the Gas Works will be caught as well.  This then blocks back to other trains on the Down Main which have no way out.  With five minute peak headways things can very quickly escalate when it goes wrong. The only way out then is to turn trains Down Main to Down Relief at Ruscombe Junction near Twyford.>:(

The new Reading layout will be completly different (see earlier posts in this thread).


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2012, 07:21:15 pm
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-16779856):

Quote
Reading Cow Lane bridge opens to road traffic

A commuter route in Reading is due to reopen following the installation of a new 1,600-tonne bridge.

Cow Lane has been closed since early December for Network Rail to remove and replace one of two bridges and lay a new road under the structure.

The southern bridge was demolished on Christmas Day but work was held up because of water in the foundations.

Trains have already started using the bridge and Cow Lane is scheduled to reopen to traffic on Monday.

The concrete and steel structure was manoeuvred into place with a 66-axle vehicle on 27 December. Crowds of people turned out to watch the seven-hour operation.

The work has allowed for two lanes of traffic, a cycle lane and pavement under the new bridge and means double-decker buses can use the road.

Network Rail project director Bill Henry said the bridges were a "notorious bottleneck".

"We're very thankful to the patience of local residents and commuters who bore with us while we finished off this very important phase of our works," he said.

The work is part of the ^850m Reading Station redevelopment with work on the northern Cow Lane bridge due to finish in 2015.

That BBC article includes two and a half minutes of time lapse footage, showing how the 1,600-tonne bridge was installed: I found it absolutely fascinating, but slightly headache inducing (flash lighting effect).  ::)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on January 29, 2012, 08:16:15 pm
Linked to already back in December, in post # 524. 

However, I think post # 537 includes a longer better version.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2012, 08:22:21 pm
Sorry: I did think some of it seemed rather familiar.  :-[

However, their 'latest' item is described by the BBC as posted "29 January 2012 Last updated at 10:50".

The perils of believing the BBC, I suppose.  ::)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on January 29, 2012, 08:35:50 pm
The BBC story is new in that it is reporting the re-opening of the road, which took a few more weeks  work to complete after the railway bridge was installed. In doing so they linked to a newer version of the time lapse film than the one they had originally referenced.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements - a downside for the time being
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 03, 2012, 09:18:37 am
I know that alot of Reading Station is a building site at the moment but one definate downside as far as I can see is there is no-where to "hide" from the cold weather like we have had this week. At the moment my travels only involve platforms 1-7 so I don't know if this is any different across the other sides of the station

When I am doing my normal commute there isn't much time to be affected by the bad  weather but last night I had the pleasure of sepnding nearly an hour at the station with very little respite from the cold - even on the main concourse through the barriers.

I know in projects like this sometimes things have to get worse before they get better but I do miss the waiting room, toilets and coffee shop on the old P4 !

Dave (hoping for a heatwave!)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on February 03, 2012, 07:34:03 pm
Its not just the UK, I remember a similar wait on Rotterdam Central Station a couple of years ago.  That is undergoing a similalrly radical rebuild.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on February 03, 2012, 11:51:16 pm
There is always the Three Guineas - it has departure screens in there and a view of the platforms!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on February 04, 2012, 06:51:30 pm
There is always the Three Guineas - it has departure screens in there and a view of the platforms!


................. and beer  ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on February 04, 2012, 10:39:53 pm
Usually some quite interesting ones!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on February 10, 2012, 01:04:45 pm
Old platform 7 canopy is no more...



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 11, 2012, 03:50:52 pm
I spent a while at Reading station yesterday (in the cold!) waiting to meet someone.  It struck me how much capacity is lost because of the normal operating practice of not closing the doors on departing trains until the starting signal clears. I saw several trains that were loaded up and ready to go, and just waiting for the signal to clear after a previous train.  Then when the signal cleared there was blowing of whistles and the door closure routine starts - maybe 20-30 seconds elapses from the signal clearing to HST's actually departing, but of course much longer for Voyagers with their drawn-out door closing process. 

It seems to me that this is an old railway practice which goes back to slam door stock, when of course passengers could and would join the train if it was in the platform and stationary.  With modern stock with lockable doors, why cannot trains close their doors at train time and draw up to the starting signal, so they are ready to go as soon as it clears?  This would improve punctuality and improve throughput at busy junctions like Reading


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on February 11, 2012, 10:18:56 pm
Intersting idea but I can't see elfandsafety being too happy with a train starting to move and then stopping again. People would be trying to board thinking it was stopping to pick them up.

With ERTMS and enough baliases(? spelling) a train could in theory be given the start signal sooner but only at 5 mph say, the train would then get successive higher speeds until it was following the train ahead at line speed.

Watch Docklands to get an idea of what I mean where trains creep up to around 50 yards behind a stopped train, enter the platform as the previous train leaves and then follow it out quite closely. You can see the block sections if you are in the front as they are where the control wire loops and there is numberplate. it's very precise especialy station stops which are spot on the stop plate everytime.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on February 12, 2012, 02:05:09 pm
If you try and find a map of Reading Station on the FGW website you are directed to national rail (not a problem) .  However this map has not been updated and still has the old platform numbers on it.

[Note The Paddington map will also need changing now they ahve moved the Taxi Rank.]


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on February 12, 2012, 03:41:18 pm
I've recently read on Twitter that NRE are aware of the issue regarding the online map of Reading and the incorrect platform numbers. Brought to their attention by an FGW staffer who is also a member of this forum. Well done Ollie!

National Rail Enquiries are, however, painfully slow in updating incorrect information on their website.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on February 12, 2012, 06:24:08 pm
I suspect that they used a specialist contractor to produce all the drawings and photos for the whole network as part of that 'stations made easy' scheme, but then didn't set up a system to deal with future changes as and when they happen.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: eightf48544 on February 13, 2012, 11:50:50 am
Heard from a very reliable source that the TV Signalling Centre is finding it very hard to work Reading without the old platform 7. They've nowhwere to park an out of course Voyager terminator without blocking a through platform if 3 is occupied.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 13, 2012, 04:34:07 pm
Yes 8F, I can see the XC Reading terminators (only every 2 hours now of course) must be a bit of a headache even if they are on time.  They arrive at xx07 and depart at xx41, so presumably block P9 or P10 for 34 minutes.  Else they're put across to P3 with all the extra conflicting moves, and squeezed in after the xx11 northbound XC departure and effectively blocking P3 for the xx46 southbound XC.  Unless they shunt them out of the station for the layover time?

I'll check the Reading departures this evening and see where the 1741 Newcastle goes from (although the inward wrorking is 22 late from Oxford so it will need less platform time at Reading than usual)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 13, 2012, 04:48:59 pm
Yes 8F, I can see the XC Reading terminators (only every 2 hours now of course) must be a bit of a headache even if they are on time.  They arrive at xx07 and depart at xx41, so presumably block P9 or P10 for 34 minutes.  Else they're put across to P3 with all the extra conflicting moves, and squeezed in after the xx11 northbound XC departure and effectively blocking P3 for the xx46 southbound XC.  Unless they shunt them out of the station for the layover time?

I'll check the Reading departures this evening and see where the 1741 Newcastle goes from (although the inward wrorking is 22 late from Oxford so it will need less platform time at Reading than usual)

I can tell you that the 1741 Xcode to Newcastle is normally parked at p3 as it is there when I catch the 1736 service to thatcham


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 13, 2012, 05:15:31 pm
. as it is this evening.  Just looking at the Reading departures on the FGW website to see where the 1711 XC to Manchester is leaving from (in 1 minute's time!) but no platform is showing yet.  So presumably it doesn't normally goes off P3!  Just hope the punters at Reading can see a platform number!

So maybe they keep P3 for the XC Reading terminators, and use P7-P10 for XC's when P3 is so occupied.

1711 XC to Newcastle has now left Reading, platform not known.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on February 13, 2012, 05:26:21 pm
1711 is to Manchester Piccadilly.

But as you rightly say, Live Departures showed no platform number.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on February 13, 2012, 05:30:59 pm
Yes 8F, I can see the XC Reading terminators (only every 2 hours now of course) must be a bit of a headache even if they are on time.  They arrive at xx07 and depart at xx41, so presumably block P9 or P10 for 34 minutes.  Else they're put across to P3...)

All the XC terminators are diagrammed to layover in P3. This was shown in route planners from about last November onwards, and displayed on posters around the station back in December when P7 notionally closed, although until Christmas P7 was still used on occasions.

The through services on the SOU/RDG/NCL route nearly all use P3 as well - 1640 northbound from Southampton and 1815 southbound to Eastleigh are about the only through services that don't use P3;  platform allocations checked with opentraintimes.com for tomorrow - avoiding any late changes!

PS - a similar check suggests nearly all Bourrnemouth/Man Picc trains use the through platforms, either 8 or 9, but I did also find a 1646 to Bournemouth in P10

PPS here's a link (for tomorrow):  http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG/2012/2/14/0700

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 13, 2012, 05:43:22 pm
. as it is this evening.  Just looking at the Reading departures on the FGW website to see where the 1711 XC to Manchester is leaving from (in 1 minute's time!) but no platform is showing yet.  So presumably it doesn't normally goes off P3!  Just hope the punters at Reading can see a platform number!

So maybe they keep P3 for the XC Reading terminators, and use P7-P10 for XC's when P3 is so occupied.

1711 XC to Newcastle has now left Reading, platform not known.

1741 is now sitting at p3 wtg departure


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 13, 2012, 05:49:01 pm
Sorry, 1711 to Manchester not Newcastle as you say BNM.  But obviously the closure of the old P7, whilst necessary for the station modernisation, adds to congestion etc. in the short term and presumably more instances of late platform changes and passengers rushing about to and from P3.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on February 20, 2012, 11:19:17 pm
More recent photos posted on

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=88717140&postcount=142 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=88717140&postcount=142)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Boppy on February 21, 2012, 02:12:18 pm
Took this photo this morning standing between platforms 8 & 9 looking east.

I believe this was the building that housed the goods lift and store cupboards.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on February 27, 2012, 01:34:57 pm
The concrete footings for the extended platform 5/6 are now being built. Something that has struck me about them is that they appear to be closer to the track serving platform 5 (currenly closed) than 6. They also look asymmetric in appearance. So it looks like there will be a larger overhang on the P6 side, or is some of the existing platform on that side to be cut back and the track shifted towards the platform?

At the end of where the extended platform will be there is an excavation going on, which I think is to provide an emergency exit, via a subway under the tracks. Is this correct? I'm assuming that the  strange concrete structure that was built while the embankment was being widened last year was in fact the liner for the subway, so no further tunnelling or undercutting will be needed?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on February 27, 2012, 04:48:47 pm
I can answer this, as I asked someone on site about it around ten days ago!

The concrete foundations between the two tracks are about 2/3 of their finished length, there is a load of reinforcing bar (rebar) poking out through the concrete on the 'north' ends of the various strips, which will connect to the remaining lengths of the foundations, and a row of piles, when they are eventually cast, which will be once P5 is re opened and P6 is closed.

The reasons for doing it this way are twofold.  They don't have to excavate so near the operational track yet, and it also allows for the public area of P5 to be an adequate width with a hoarding supported just past the centre line in due course.

And yes the excavation in line with P5/P6 is the second emergency escape route - drawing attached below from the design and access statement.

PS to the above - now that the majority of the 'cast in situ' concrete crossbeams are in position you can see more easily a further outcrop of rebar extending towards the P6 track...



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Lee on March 15, 2012, 08:10:45 pm
From getreading: (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2110150_green_light_for_next_stage_of_reading_rail_scheme)

Quote from: getreading
Green light for next stage of Reading rail scheme

Town hall planners called on Network Rail to ensure it takes measures to prevent graffiti as they gave the go-ahead for the next stage of the multi-million Reading Station redevelopment.
 
Reading Borough Council^s planning committee has given approval to proposals for viaducts and box junctions which will create a raised railway along a stretch of the Great Western mainline.
 
The changes will allow mainline passenger services to travel over the top of the mainline to avoid freight trains up to a mile long coming up from the South and crossing over it, causing delays.
 
Overall, councillors were in favour of the proposal, but voiced concerns about graffiti while others suggested more could be done by Network Rail to let the public know about the scheme.
 
Councillor Richard Willis said: ^We have all seen the applying of graffiti around the network.
 
^We should get feedback from Network Rail that they consider that and something be done to minimise graffiti in advance.^
 
Cllr Chris Maskell added: ^I have no problem with the application and it just demonstrates how important Reading is to the nation^s rail network and, more than that, why we should become a city.
 
^The scale of the development taking place here is enormous, but I think Network Rail aren^t doing the best job they can in PR work in telling people what is going through.^
 
Cllr Tony Page earlier welcomed the latest development to the scheme at the meeting held at the council^s Civic Offices on Wednesday last week. He said: ^Clearly, this is a very important application in the staging of the Reading station area development.
 
^There is no getting away from the fact the viaducts will be seen and that is stated in the report but we cannot have the benefits accruing from this scheme without the construction of them and the supporting junction.^
 
The committee unanimously approved the application.
 
After the meeting, Bill Henry, director of Network Rail^s improvement scheme at Reading said in a statement: ^We^re delighted that Reading Borough Council has given the green light for the development of the viaduct.
 
^The council staff and members ^ especially Tony Page, lead councillor for planning and transport ^ have been hugely supportive.
 
^As passengers will be well aware, there is a problem with a bottleneck on the railway at Reading and the viaduct is the main part of the solution in fixing this.
 
^It will stop slow freight trains from delaying faster, mainline services which will use the viaduct, while the freight trains will pass underneath the structure.
 
^When the viaduct is finished in 2015 it will also allow Network Rail to replace Cow Lane bridge north, bringing another wider, safer bridge with two lanes of traffic, a footpath and cycle lane.
 
^We^ve already engaged with local residents and businesses about the viaduct but will be contacting them again before construction work begins in January 2013 so they know what to expect.^


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 16, 2012, 10:34:02 am
The first signs of a building in the new maintenance depot has sprung up this week, in a location which matches where the train care shed will be built.  I'm hesitant to say it is the new train care shed in case it's a temporary structure, but if it is part of the new depot then it's great to see it taking shape.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 16, 2012, 12:32:41 pm
There is also a new tall structure appearing to the North of the station, which I assume will provide support for the northern end of the new pedestrian bridge...?

I'm curious to know how the station will operate during the interval between the new platforms opening and the completion of the grade separation, given the significant changes in track layout when the flyover is open, in particular whether trains on the Newbury/Basingstoke line will able to reach 11 to 15. Also, I think that some of the existing platforms are to be built out (7?) so will trains be diverted to the new platforms while this work is done?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 16, 2012, 03:19:50 pm
I had a look through the 2013 NR engineering access statement, (Part 7.0 possesions register - Western) which shows next years probable engineering work closures, week by week:

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/Rules%20Of%20The%20Route/MAINMENU.pdf

Going by that (which is subject to change of course) it suggests that once the new relief side islands open, it will be platforms P10 and P11 that close to get sorted out first, so that would leave 7, 8 and 9 still available for the fast lines. 

If I was a betting man, I reckon that up fasts will probably then transfer to P10/11 when it is complete and P7/8/9 will be taken out of service in sequence, P7 last of all.   My reasoning is that the P10/11 island isn't really wide enough to deal with crowds of passengers heading in both directions, so it would be best to leave it as an up platforms only?

Criticism welcome though, as that's mainly guesswork...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on March 16, 2012, 07:41:54 pm
The massive building site to the North of the station (where the new Northern entrance will be) is not visible from the platforms, but you get a very good view from the overbridge to the car park. A massive retaining wall has been built to separate the elevated track level side from the road side, which is at a considerably lower level. The wall has been built up in one place to the height of the new overbridge - impressive engineeering. The concrete base for the new buildings appears to be complete now, and looks very extensive. A concrete tower has also been built, which I assume is a lift shaft.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jason on March 19, 2012, 12:43:20 pm
The steel superstructure surrounding (though mainly to the north of) the concrete wall has been rapidly rising over the past week. There is also additional concrete structure being added between the wall and platform 10.

Judging by the new line of metal girders now on platform 10 I imagine it is going to be narrowed in the not too distant future.

(Apologies for the v. quick snap taken at dawn. My first time posting here)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: johoare on March 19, 2012, 09:59:22 pm
Thanks for the picture Nosaj.. And welcome to the forum  ;D


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 20, 2012, 06:41:08 pm
While waiting for a connection today, I took a couple of shots from the carpark roof.  Those blocks the crane is positioning (more on the back of the trailer) are the lift shaft sections for the group of passenger lifts up to the transfer deck.  All factory made for accuracy, shouldn't take more than a day or two and they'll all be in position...

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Electric train on March 20, 2012, 08:20:26 pm
  All factory made for accuracy, shouldn't take more than a day or two and they'll all be in position...

Paul 
And speed


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 23, 2012, 09:04:03 am
The first signs of a building in the new maintenance depot has sprung up this week, in a location which matches where the train care shed will be built.  I'm hesitant to say it is the new train care shed in case it's a temporary structure, but if it is part of the new depot then it's great to see it taking shape.

This has shot up over the last week, must be a permanent structure. It is good to see visible progress like this, the scale of the new passenger bridge / deck is becoming apparent now, hadn't really appreciated before how much wider it will be than the existing bridge. Also, concrete panels are starting to be laid for the deck of the extended platform 5/6. Does anyone know the current timescale for completion of the extended platform and when work will switch to platform 6?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 23, 2012, 09:58:09 am
Platform 5 was supposed to be all finished by the end of March with work on Platform 6 starting immediately and taking longer as it will involve demolition of the existing platform.  Scheduled completion by July.  They'll have to go some to complete Platform 5 in just over a week though!

The building on the maintenance depot is indeed a permanent structure as has become apparent now with the size of the thing!

Finally, in terms of the electrification time-scale, work is supposed to start ahead of the GWML project this September and be finished by November 2015.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 23, 2012, 10:11:50 am
Thanks. It will be a rush then! Assuming it isn't delayed. Why does Platform 6 need to be demolished? Indeed, isn't it part of the same structure as Platform 5?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 23, 2012, 10:23:28 am
Platform 5 is delayed by a few weeks I believe, because they have decided following inspection to replace the concrete deck over its entire length.  The previously intended method was to just reduce the thickness of the deck slightly, to allow for a new top surface and coping slabs, (this section had been cast 'in situ' originally, with an asphalt skim), and this is why they have only recently started using machinery to demolish the whole of the length of the deck - there were visible signs of the abandoned 'surface reduction' on some of the deck sections.  I assume that they'll need a load more prefabricated panel sections for that change of plan - lets hope the factory can deliver them on time.

What I did get confirmed on my last visit was that the canopy support steelwork for P5/P6 will be fitted during the P6 closure, working behind the line of the hoardings which will be 'reversed' once the P6 deck is finished.

P6 and P5 are not part of the same structure, they were built nearly 10 years apart, the old 4A replaced the Southern station on its own in 1965, 4B arrived significantly later in the 70s when more capacity was needed.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jason on March 23, 2012, 12:25:48 pm
Those lift shaft sections are indeed very quick to assemble, this one appeared over the course of a single day.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 23, 2012, 05:57:17 pm
Your latest picture clearly shows the thickening of the supporting concrete wall that will support the north end of the transfer deck - it's 30m wide according to the plans.  (Or nearly 100 ft for us old folk.)

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on March 23, 2012, 08:28:30 pm
More photographs available on...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=89730646&postcount=143 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=89730646&postcount=143)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 24, 2012, 12:28:45 pm
The latest Reading Station Staff Update popped in a rather timely fashion into my inbox this morning.  Lots more detail to confirm what has been said...

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7127/7010764137_afe9e83a3a_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on March 24, 2012, 12:31:53 pm
Just wanted to say "thanks" to the posters who add content that alot of us cant - or dont have time - to see on our journeys through RDG....keep up the good work!



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on March 25, 2012, 11:00:53 pm
New edition of Reading News already available on line.

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Rail-improvements/~/media/PDF/Press%20Releases/Reading%20NewsFINAL.pdf (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Rail-improvements/~/media/PDF/Press%20Releases/Reading%20NewsFINAL.pdf)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 25, 2012, 11:19:18 pm
The 'Reading News' just might have gone to print before the decision to re-work platform 5 was made.   

I don't really think it will be ready by next weekend  :o as stated in the text...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2012, 01:25:53 am
Will the new platforms 4,5 & 6 still have the signalling to accomodate two trains as happened occasionally on the old 4a and 4b or with the new capacity is that now deemed unnecessary?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 28, 2012, 11:46:31 am
I'd expect they will have permissive working, as even if they didn't need to routinely operate more than one service from a platform, it would allow for splitting and joining of units - which would be useful for SWT anyway.

It should be easy to check anyway, if someone who regularly travels on the Southern route (BerkshireBugsy maybe?) looks out for the presence of subsidiary signals [1] when on the approach towards Reading

[1] Subsidiary or 'calling on' indications are the two small white lights at 45 degrees (normally not illuminated), usually mounted below the main aspects.

Paul

   


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 28, 2012, 12:32:43 pm
I shall have a look this evening!

Had a quick look at Platform 5 now that the old deck has been removed. You can now see clearly that Platforms 5 and 6 are separate structures underneath the deck, as you explained before.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on March 28, 2012, 12:34:43 pm
I shall have a look this evening!

Had a quick look at Platform 5 now that the old deck has been removed. You can now see clearly that Platforms 5 and 6 are separate structures underneath the deck, as you explained before.

I am guenuinely impreessed with how far P5 has come in the last week. Last Wednesday when I came though they were still demolishing the old deck and on Monday they had some of the replacement structure down.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on March 28, 2012, 12:37:16 pm
I noticed that the new deck has started to appear on the newly extended platform, but wasn't able to see from a quick glance whether any of the old deck has been replaced. I got the impression from an earlier post that the replacement would be cast in situ, whereas the deck for the new section seems to be pre-cast slabs. Will try to have a better look this evening.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 28, 2012, 02:11:12 pm
Interesting article summarising the state of play of the Reading area improvements in this month's Rail Engineer online version:

http://www.therailengineer.com/print-archive/

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on March 28, 2012, 02:24:16 pm
Fascinating article.  Does the plan really extend from Sonning to Pangbourne or is that journalistic licence?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on March 28, 2012, 04:58:29 pm
I wondered about that too.  It's possible that with the station area capacity expanding the way it is, signalling and track alterations actually start a long way either side, I think because with high speed running it is important to keep the four aspect signalling at standard distances?  I'm thinking of the stuff such as main to relief ladder crossovers for instance - if they move a crossover position by half a mile or so, that would change which signals are automatic and which are controlled. A signalling sighting alteration or interlocking change at Pangbourne wouldn't necessarily be highly visible, but it's still a part of the overall project.  With the depot and stabling extending so far to the west, it's likely a lot of operational functionality has to be relocated. I've seen references to a new 'Kennet Junction' - I'd assume that's somewhere in the vicinity of the river - so that would take the area of interest more to the east as well?

Paul   



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jason on April 03, 2012, 12:26:45 pm
Things progress apace.
Platform 10 is now narrowed again and structural works are taking place so close to the hoardings that they overhang it and are cladded.
There was a nice view down into the subway section through one of the viewing holes on the platform.
Sorry for the poor lighting, it's was rather dull first thing.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 03, 2012, 12:48:18 pm
It should be easy to check anyway, if someone who regularly travels on the Southern route (BerkshireBugsy maybe?) looks out for the presence of subsidiary signals [1] when on the approach towards Reading

[1] Subsidiary or 'calling on' indications are the two small white lights at 45 degrees (normally not illuminated), usually mounted below the main aspects.


Sorry - missed this - if it hasn't been answered I will try and look on my way back this afternoon. Is this likely to be attached to the same signal which has the desitnation platform number on it (E.g., currently 4 or 6)?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 03, 2012, 02:16:15 pm
It should be easy to check anyway, if someone who regularly travels on the Southern route (BerkshireBugsy maybe?) looks out for the presence of subsidiary signals [1] when on the approach towards Reading

[1] Subsidiary or 'calling on' indications are the two small white lights at 45 degrees (normally not illuminated), usually mounted below the main aspects.


Sorry - missed this - if it hasn't been answered I will try and look on my way back this afternoon. Is this likely to be attached to the same signal which has the desitnation platform number on it (E.g., currently 4 or 6)?

Yes, that would be the normal position, as that would be the appropriate signal for a 2nd train to be brought to a halt at.  The setup is that once the train is stopped by the red signal, the signaller will then clear the subsidiary signal. The second train into a platform cannot run in at normal line speed that way.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 03, 2012, 02:22:38 pm

Yes, that would be the normal position, as that would be the appropriate signal for a 2nd train to be brought to a halt at.  The setup is that once the train is stopped by the red signal, the signaller will then clear the subsidiary signal. The second train into a platform cannot run in at normal line speed that way.

Paul

We were held at that signal coming into P6 yesterday afternoon which suprised me as there was no service on the platform waiting to depart (or a service waiting to depart from P4 which would cross our path). Having said that we pulled in at P6 last night and then (I believe  the train was then taken out of service)

Dave


 Will see if I can see the signal this afternoon.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 05, 2012, 11:28:03 am
Just to confirm that the signal protecting platforms 4, 5, and 6 is fitted with a position light signal and so those platforms can be used permissively with more than one train at once.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on April 06, 2012, 11:01:42 pm
New Network Rail Video of North entrance

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6339.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6339.aspx)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Surrey 455 on April 07, 2012, 10:50:48 pm
New Network Rail Video of North entrance

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6339.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6339.aspx)

Couldn't get that video to work. Only the third video on that page would play but the picture kept freezing whilst the progress bar carried on.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 11, 2012, 01:43:23 pm
The Carriage Wash facility superstructure is now taking shape in the new depot following works on the underground piping and concrete foundations.  It can be seen a 150 metres or so west of the new Train Care Shed.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 12, 2012, 11:14:53 am
I see two fairly massive masts have appeared, one at the London end of the future P10/P11 island, and one alongside it to the north presumably in the middle of the future P12/P13 island's location.

I wonder if they are for electrification?  Or signalling?

Paul   


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 12, 2012, 12:53:19 pm
Or signalling?

That's what I'd guess as there's a lot of metal cable tidies being attached to them.  Also a large signal gantry appeared a few weeks ago by New Junction, so they clearly are at a physical work stage with them.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements quick update on p5
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 17, 2012, 06:43:16 am
Work on p5 seems to be progressing at quite a rate now - I did take a picture earlier today which I ay post layer if I get the chance. It looks like most of the platform is now in place

Also noted ref p5 is the installation of a CIS display to the right of the one which is currently in use for p6.i am guessing that at some point the new one will be associated with p6 whilst the older one will revert to p5

I also notice two supports have appeared etween the p4 and p7 tracks which I m guessing are for the erection of a gantry - possibly for I galling ?

Someone who knows what they are talking about will be better qualified to confirm this !


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements - picture of P5 taken 17/4/2012
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 17, 2012, 09:08:30 am
Showing platform progress and new CIS screen



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 17, 2012, 05:28:51 pm
I had a walk along P6 at lunchtime, I reckon if they make good progress for the rest of this week P5 could possibly be in use next Monday, otherwise I should think the end of the month won't be a problem, which would put them about 4 weeks behind the original schedule, following the decision to rebuild the decks as we discussed a little while ago. 

There's about 10 carriage lengths of edge slabs already in position, backed by the tactile slabs all the way along, and the new hoarding supports seem to be nearly all in place as well.

I don't envy those blokes putting in over 250m of block paving though...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on April 19, 2012, 12:41:18 pm
Rapid progress on P5 in the last couple of days. On current progress I'd agree with Paul that it could be ready this weekend. The new hoarding is going up, lights are installed, and paving now installed on most of the length. Metal posts are being installed between the concrete piers that support the platform deck, I assume these are so the space underneath can be fenced off. The hoarding posts don't extend for the full length, so I assume they will block access to the far end, beyond the length of current trains, allowing easier construction worker access to the emergency exit subway which is still incomplete.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: coachflyer on April 19, 2012, 04:37:22 pm
Platform 5 to be in use from Monday morning but as an 8 car platform only.

Platform 6 to be taken out of use to be rebuilt.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 19, 2012, 04:39:10 pm
Platform 5 to be in use from Monday morning but as an 8 car platform only.

Platform 6 to be taken out of use to be rebuilt.

In which case I guess both CIS screens at the end of P5/P6 will be active then. I didn't go on the north downs line today but will have a look tomorrow.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on April 21, 2012, 12:41:40 pm
Passed thru Reading (on foot) this morning and very pleased to see so much work going on on a Saturday.

Lots of finishing work on the new platform 5. The third rail is in place and the barrier between the tracks has been removed (although there were still men working on the platform 5 track whilst platform 4 was in use).

To the North of the station, the first decking sections of the new transfer deck had arrived on three large lorries and preparations for the first lift were ongoing - a very large crane was in place. All of the piers for the transfer deck from the new station building to platorm 10 are complete, so the decking should go up quickly.

The signal gantries for the posts that have been erected at the West end of platform 10 had arrived and were being made ready to be lifted in place.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 21, 2012, 12:44:25 pm
Passed thru Reading (on foot) this morning and very pleased to see so much work going on on a Saturday.

Lots of finishing work on the new platform 5. The third rail is in place and the barrier between the tracks has been removed (although there were still men working on the platform 5 track whilst platform 4 was in use).


If the new P5 is open on Monday am there is a 50/50 chance I may be one of the first to use it when I catch the 0634 to Reigate!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 21, 2012, 02:35:54 pm
To the North of the station, the first decking sections of the new transfer deck had arrived on three large lorries and preparations for the first lift were ongoing - a very large crane was in place. All of the piers for the transfer deck from the new station building to platorm 10 are complete, so the decking should go up quickly.

That very large crane, if it's the one I've been told about, will be in situ for around the next six months to lift all sections of the transfer deck into place.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 23, 2012, 09:33:55 am
On my journey through Reading this morning, platform 5 was now in use and platform 6 blocked off ready for work.

It also seems the new signal gantry at the east end of p7/8 has been put in place.

It's all happening :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: lordgoata on April 26, 2012, 10:05:07 am
Noticed this morning that a lot of new track has been laid along by the new depot area, and across the new bridge over Cow Lane. Progressing at quite a pace now!


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: mjones on April 27, 2012, 09:31:34 am
Platform 6 work moving ahead quickly, it has been demolished already. Just piles of rubble left. Looks like they have demolished the concrete footings as well as the platform deck. Does anyone know why it needed to be completely demolished, is it being re-aligned?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 27, 2012, 09:46:45 am
It might just go back to the different ages and conditions of the two halves of the 4A and 4B islands.  AIUI the northern side was built about ten years before the other side, and it looked like two different types of construction were used along its length as well.

Might just be a good opportunity to bring the whole thing up to a decent standard.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Oxman on April 28, 2012, 10:52:11 pm
Couple of pics taken yesterday on my phone:

First is the new platforms 4 and 5, with the now demolished platorm 6. Note the new gantry above the HST.

Second is taken form the footbridge looking west across the area where the new north side platform will be. The piers and firts sections of the transfer deck are just behind the crane and the new north station building is on the right, behind the retaining wall.



Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 29, 2012, 09:24:56 am
Couple of pics taken yesterday on my phone:

First is the new platforms 4 and 5, with the now demolished platorm 6. Note the new gantry above the HST.

Second is taken form the footbridge looking west across the area where the new north side platform will be. The piers and firts sections of the transfer deck are just behind the crane and the new north station building is on the right, behind the retaining wall.



THanks for the pics Oxman.

Does anyone know if when p6 is finished there will be a wall/seperation between that and p5? at the moment it gets very congested with passengers (mainly on the Gatwick servers) as passengers getting off an on the services trying and do battle with their suitcases in tow :)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 29, 2012, 11:04:33 am
I'd be surprised if there was any division, it is quite unusual to see it on a pair of terminating platforms.  What there was back when it was P4A/4B didn't seem to help much at all as people used both sides of the platform anyway.

Perhaps when it all settles down they might dedicate services to platforms, eg all the Waterloos on P5/P6 and all the Gatwick/Redhills on P4? Another idea might be to make sure the Waterloo trains leave immediately before the next one arrives.   

There'll also be much more circulating space once the footbridge, lift and escalators are removed, so people shouldn't be clashing at that corner by the lift at least...

Paul   


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on April 29, 2012, 11:09:37 am
I'd be surprised if there was any division, it is quite unusual to see it on a pair of terminating platforms.  What there was back when it was P4A/4B didn't seem to help much at all as people used both sides of the platform anyway.

Perhaps when it all settles down they might dedicate services to platforms, eg all the Waterloos on P5/P6 and all the Gatwick/Redhills on P4?  There'll also be much more circulating space once the footbridge, lift and escalators are removed, so people shouldn't be clashing at that corner by the lift at least...

Paul   

Good points Paul. I think part of the problem on P4 is that sometime passengers, who are strangers to the station, don't know which way to exit once they disembark the train. THere are some signs on the wall but maybe it could do with some more. IIRC at one point there was an annoucement on the train as it pulled into Reading "Please exit to the right when leaving the train" but I may be dreaming it.

Dave


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on April 29, 2012, 11:50:47 am
How is the multi-story car park going to be linked to the station once the existing footbridge is demolished? Will there be a high level link off the new transit deck - although I didn't see any evidence of new piers last time I looked. 

I did try a search before posting this question without success - so sorry if it's been answered before.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 29, 2012, 11:57:16 am
How is the multi-story car park going to be linked to the station once the existing footbridge is demolished?

It isn't going to be linked at all, it will involve a ground level walk. 

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on April 29, 2012, 12:13:21 pm
Thanks Paul, with the horrible weather outside there seem to be lots of us in the Coffee Shop to-day!

Just hope the ground level walk is enclosed (ie not just covered), else it wouldn't be very pleasant on a day like to-day.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on April 29, 2012, 01:23:38 pm
Perhaps when it all settles down they might dedicate services to platforms, eg all the Waterloos on P5/P6 and all the Gatwick/Redhills on P4? Another idea might be to make sure the Waterloo trains leave immediately before the next one arrives.   

I though the idea was that the Gatwicks would use the underpass and use the North side of the station.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 29, 2012, 01:24:09 pm
I think the problem is that the obvious route (from carpark to new northern entrance) crosses the road.  Although there's no through access to road traffic at the moment,  it is difficult to tell from the station planning drawings I have if that access is to be reinstated or not.  

I did read a while back that they intend to run the Heathrow coach link from a new location on the north side - it is quite possible that would have to approach the station between the car park and new northern entrance, although other possibilities exist.

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 29, 2012, 01:34:54 pm
Perhaps when it all settles down they might dedicate services to platforms, eg all the Waterloos on P5/P6 and all the Gatwick/Redhills on P4? Another idea might be to make sure the Waterloo trains leave immediately before the next one arrives.   

I though the idea was that the Gatwicks would use the underpass and use the North side of the station.

That is a much discussed possibility, but I always read it as 'might use' rather than 'will use'.  It would only really be beneficial in conjunction with linking services 'across Reading',  ie there's little point in blocking relief side platforms with terminating trains just because you can, especially as P4 - P6 still have the capacity.  Some of the original options that were published predate the cancellation of the Airtrack scheme as well.

My personal view is that linking services might no longer be as likely as it was (at least for a few years), bearing in mind that the electrification policy has changed the stock type to be used on the suitable services west of Reading, and there is still a signifiicant electrical supply gap in the North Downs route.  Having said that there are other options for linking services, such as East West Rail but that's in what I would consider the medium term...

Paul


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: ellendune on April 29, 2012, 01:39:01 pm
I think the problem is that the obvious route crosses the road.  Although there's no through access to road traffic at the moment,  it is difficult to tell from the station planning drawings I have if that access is to be reinstated or not.  

I did read a while back that they intend to run the Heathrow coach link from a new location on the north side - it is quite possible that would have to approach the station between the car park and new northern entrance, although other possibilities exist.

If a new pedestrian exit from the car park is made in the South West corner then it would be only a very short crossing of any road to the new North entrance.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bobm on April 29, 2012, 01:56:01 pm
Is it just a figment of my mind but weren't there the occasional through trains from Oxford to Gatwick about 10 years ago?


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: paul7755 on April 29, 2012, 02:05:04 pm
I think the problem is that the obvious route crosses the road.  Although there's no through access to road traffic at the moment,  it is difficult to tell from the station planning drawings I have if that access is to be reinstated or not.  

I did read a while back that they intend to run the Heathrow coach link from a new location on the north side - it is quite possible that would have to approach the station between the car park and new northern entrance, although other possibilities exist.

If a new pedestrian exit from the car park is made in the South West corner then it would be only a very short crossing of any road to the new North entrance.

Yes, I was thinking more of the proposal that it should be fully enclosed, which would be no problem as far as either side of the road crossing, but would be unlikely to include the road.  The sort of set up they have at Southampton Airport, between station and concourse as it happens.

Paul 


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 29, 2012, 02:23:28 pm
Is it just a figment of my mind but weren't there the occasional through trains from Oxford to Gatwick about 10 years ago?

There were - early morning to Gatwick and late evening back again.  Didn't really serve much of a market though as they were stoppers from Oxford.

I agree with Paul's comments regarding the potential use of the underpass.  It will also come in useful for the ECS Turbo movements between the Depot and Platforms 4/5/6, but under normal running I would expect that the only time Gatwick services will use anything other than 4/5/6 will be early morning and late evening as they do now.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: Jason on May 03, 2012, 10:01:30 pm
Wherever you look at the moment things are happening:
Track is being laid west of the station, to the north of the main line.
The foundations for the new platform 6 are almost all excavated.
The steel core for the first of the supporting pylons on platform 8/9 is up
To the north, the main girders for the new deck are rapidly going in.
The northern entrance is rapidly taking shape, I took a couple of pics earlier this evening
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o558/ticktock1232/0503a.jpg (http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o558/ticktock1232/0503a.jpg)
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o558/ticktock1232/0503b.jpg (http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o558/ticktock1232/0503b.jpg)


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: bignosemac on May 03, 2012, 10:09:56 pm
And all being done around one of the busiest stations on the network.

Impressive.


Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 03, 2012, 10:41:30 pm
    Here's a summary of next Easter's major engineering work whilst the new platforms are brought into use:

    Good Friday 29th March (00:30) to Tuesday 2nd April (04:00)

    • Heathrow Airport Junction <> Slough all lines closed
    • Maidenhead <> Didcot all lines closed
    • Reading - no trains apart from Platforms 4/5/6 and also Platform 2 (for Pilotman operated B&H/Basingstoke services only).

    HST are being diverted as they were Xmas 2010, i.e. and hourly Paddington to Swansea service via Chiltern Line and Oxford and an hourly Paddington to Bristol service via the same route.  West of England services running hourly from Waterloo via Basingstoke though should be 30-45 minutes quicker than in 2010 thanks to running on the main lines.

    Also Cheltenham's and Worcester's mostly starting at Didcot. Hourly from Reading to Bedwyn and Basingstoke (though the latter could be a XC service running though to Bournemouth).

    LTV services and HEx services forming a 15-minute interval service between Paddington and Hayes.  A 30-minute interval Turbo between Slough and Maidenhead and Windsor/Marlow/Henley service as normal.

    Waterloo<>Reading service ramped up to every 15-minutes all day as this will be the only Reading to Paddington train service.

    Buses covering all other routes as appropriate.


    Tuesday 2nd April (04:00) to Saturday 6th April (23:00)

    • Main Lines closed between Ruscombe and Tilehurst.
    • Reading Platform 2 open as in first possession.
    • New platform 12/13/14 and 15 also open (but all others closed).

    HSS services from Paddington to Bristol/Swansea largely unchanged though Cardiff off-peak services withdrawn.  West of England services diverted via Swindon and Westbury after Reading. Cheltenham's start/terminate at Swindon.

    LTV services between Reading and London thinned a little and other services thinned a little as well.


    Saturday 6th April (23:00) to Tuesday 9th April (04:00)

    • Maidenhead<>Didcot all lines closed
    • Reading<>Southcote Juntion all lines closed

    HSS services largely operating as per first possession (i.e. via Chilterns/Waterloo), and Cheltenham/Cotswold Line services starting at Didcot.

    Paddington to Maidenhead Turbo services and Bedwyn's running between Bedwyn/Westbury and Theale only.  Windsor/Henley/Marlow open as normal, but buses as appropriate on other routes between Maidenhead and Didcot.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on May 03, 2012, 10:49:08 pm
    Excellent summary of the situation next Easter, II. Thanks.  ;)

    From a purely selfish point of view, these engineering possessions won't affect me unduly, but I'm looking forward to bashing some unusual HST mileage again.  :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on May 03, 2012, 10:51:36 pm
    Roger Ford in Modern Railways suggested that the FGW franchise may be extended by a couple of weeks to cover the period of the Reading closure. I'm fairly sure new franchises normally start around the start of April and it perhaps isn't a good idea to have a change of management team half way through the blockade.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on May 03, 2012, 11:00:02 pm
    Thanks for all the information, very helpful.

    (for Pilotman operated B&H/Basingstoke services only)
    Sorry, I don't understand what that means? Could you explain it please?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on May 03, 2012, 11:13:23 pm
    A pilotman is the authority for a train movement to take place over a line which is usually operated only in one direction but is being used as a bi-directional line, but lacks the normal bi-directional signalling necessary for such movements. I presume at Reading only one track is available from Southcote Junction, on to the Basingstoke line to Reading. Trains will only be allowed to run along that section when the pilotman, a member of Network Rail staff wearing a pilotman armband I believe is on board the train. It's a similar principle to tokens on single tracks, where movements are only authorised when the driver has the token, a lump of wood or metal I believe, which will be released by the signalman at a signalbox. Several tokens can exist, for example at signalboxes at either end of a single line section but the interlocking will prevent more than one being released at one time, preventing more than one movement over a single line section.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 04, 2012, 10:35:35 am
    Not a bad summary of working by pilotmen by 'Southern Stag' there.  If anyone fancies some bedtime reading here's the full procedure:

    http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Book/Forms/Live_Documents.aspx?RootFolder=/Rule_Book/Rule%20Book%20Modules/P%20-%20Working%20by%20Pilotman&FolderCTID=0x01200060B274261602B94B84F5B3E1E95DE5C8 (http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Book/Forms/Live_Documents.aspx?RootFolder=/Rule_Book/Rule%20Book%20Modules/P%20-%20Working%20by%20Pilotman&FolderCTID=0x01200060B274261602B94B84F5B3E1E95DE5C8)

    And, yes, the franchise is being extended to cover until the end of the blockade.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 04, 2012, 12:01:06 pm
    The steel core for the first of the supporting pylons on platform 8/9 is up
    To the north, the main girders for the new deck are rapidly going in.

    At one of the Network Rail briefings they mentioned that the transfer deck will be built in sections and then slid across the operational part of the station, ie what you see being assembled at the moment is not in its final position.  I'm fairly sure that the rusty looking steel girder sections visible on the sides of the support columns at various angles are 'temporary works' associated with the bridge slide.  I'd expect them to add weight at the north end of the deck and then extend it out over the tracks during a weekend closure of the lines some time over the summer. 

    I expect once the P8/P9 in situ castings are completed to match those on the other three islands, progress will be quite rapid - of course there is substantial work to be done to support the P7 end of the transfer deck, not much seems to get mentioned about progress behind the P7 hoardings...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 04, 2012, 12:08:13 pm
    Waterloo<>Reading service ramped up to every 15-minutes all day as this will be the only Reading to Paddington train service.

    Reading to London perhaps?

    I wonder if this could see SWT running a few 12 car trains to make better use of the new platforms?  Using 450s (as they'd be in addition to the normal 458 operated service) would mean that Reading - Waterloo passengers could fill the rear unit on departure from Reading?

    Also, as they'd be running additional to the normal timetable, there'd be little need for any intermediate stops anyway.  Lack of overtaking opportunities would prevent a decent speed, but they could shift a lot of through passengers (ie end to end) that way.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 04, 2012, 12:52:22 pm
    Waterloo<>Reading service ramped up to every 15-minutes all day as this will be the only Reading to Paddington train service.
    Reading to London perhaps?

    Indeed.  ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: The SprinterMeister on May 04, 2012, 01:47:57 pm
    I expect once the P8/P9 in situ castings are completed to match those on the other three islands, progress will be quite rapid - of course there is substantial work to be done to support the P7 end of the transfer deck, not much seems to get mentioned about progress behind the P7 hoardings...Paul

    Which is where the new booking office and entrance will be when its all completed. As I remember the grand plan, only the 'Three Guineas' / clock tower will be the only visible link with the past.

    At some point the up through line finishes and P7 moves across so that its face is up against where the through line currently is, not sure when that takes place.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on May 04, 2012, 02:19:29 pm
    A pilotman is the authority for a train movement to take place over a line which is usually operated only in one direction but is being used as a bi-directional line, but lacks the normal bi-directional signalling necessary for such movements. I presume at Reading only one track is available from Southcote Junction, on to the Basingstoke line to Reading.

    Ive just found this (late, I know) and it reminded me of an incident last year (I think!) where the 1736 Reading to Bradford OA (and then Temple Meads) suffered a failure in one of the emergency control systems (I think ATP kept applying the breaks incorrectly) at Reading West - literally next to the station.

    From memory the TM told us that she was in dialogue with Swindon trying to get approval to reverse run back to the station. I don't think this ever happened. From memory what did happen was an engineer from Reading West depot was ferried by Taxi to Reading West station where he was able to fix the issue and allow slow running west bound

    SOrry Mods - just realised this may not be relevant to this thread so feel happy to delete it if you think appropriate.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 04, 2012, 04:28:50 pm

    Which is where the new booking office and entrance will be when its all completed. As I remember the grand plan, only the 'Three Guineas' / clock tower will be the only visible link with the past.

    I'm aware of what is happening, I just meant that there hasn't mean much discussion about what if any progress has been made so far behind the hoardings in that area, since the demolition was done.  A few of us seem to have been concentrating on the details of the Southern platforms, and the work in the vicinity of the Northern entance is also much discussed and photographed...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on May 04, 2012, 04:43:23 pm
    I have a peek through the windows in the p7 hoarding from time to time, but all I can see at the moment is a very deep hole in the ground, which I think includes the remnants of the subway; and the new crane that has been installed there.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Btline on May 04, 2012, 05:46:36 pm
    Are the Bristol trains running via Banbury? :o

    Shame Evergreen 3 isn't open! :'(


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on May 04, 2012, 05:48:12 pm
    Same as at Christmas 2010, booked to operate via Banbury and reverse there but when they are running late reversing at Aynho Junction will be possible.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Devon Big Bird on May 04, 2012, 09:45:54 pm
    Is it just a figment of my mind but weren't there the occasional through trains from Oxford to Gatwick about 10 years ago?

    And of course the old (Table 50 for those who remember them) Inter-Regionals, through OXF to Brighton, Newhaven etc!



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on May 05, 2012, 10:35:19 am
    I remember catching a timetabled service (Saturdays only) from Reaing to Dover West Docks (I think, may have been Folkestone Harbour).  Third rail all the way - went via Staines, Latchmere no 3 Junction, Longhedge Junction, Wandsworth Road etc.  Obviously before the tunnel opened.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on May 05, 2012, 10:48:37 am
    A link to some more photos has appeared on:

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91008804&postcount=145 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91008804&postcount=145)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on May 05, 2012, 01:31:42 pm
    Crikey :-\ In my 42 years in the S&T industry I must say that this is one of the most over the top signal gantries I have ever seen http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/7130297711/in/set-72157629572744340/


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 05, 2012, 02:25:16 pm
    Crikey :-\ In my 42 years in the S&T industry I must say that this is one of the most over the top signal gantries I have ever seen http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/7130297711/in/set-72157629572744340/

    There's quite a few built on a masssive scale like that on the WCML, but I can't think of any offhand that span such a width of platforms and tracks.  I wonder if the one at Reading east end will actually extend further north towards the car park once the ground level is raised to its final height?

    At some WCML locations the signal heads appear to be mounted within individual 'cages' that presumably allow safe access for maintenance purposes without taking the OHL power off?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: anthony215 on May 08, 2012, 06:58:36 pm
    I am due to have a job interview with FGW at Newbury this Friday traveling there from south wales changing trains at Reading so I will be very interested in seing what the station looks like when I am there in person rather than just looking at pics on the internet.


    This may be slightly off topic but I have a question for the regular users of Reading but how easy is it chnaging trains particulary changing from the high speed services to the local services to Newbury?

    I'm asking as I have not used Reading for at least 2 years now and I have 12 minutes to change trains there on Friday morning (maybe less if there are delays on my hst which is due to arrive into Reading at 07:00)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on May 08, 2012, 07:14:07 pm
    It's not great at the moment because the platforms are very narrow because of the hoarding up, 12 minutes should still be enough though.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on May 08, 2012, 07:16:22 pm
    Should be able to do it in 5 mins - the service from Swansea is booked into platform 8 and the 0712 to Newbury from platform 1.  Up the escalator/lift at the London end of 8 - over the footbridge.  Battle your way down the hoards on platform 7  ;D and Platform 1 is at the country end.  Getting out of coach E or F should save you a little on getting off platform 8.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: anthony215 on May 08, 2012, 07:17:06 pm
    It's not great at the moment because the platforms are very narrow because of the hoarding up, 12 minutes should still be enough though.

    Ok thank you for the warning hopefully I will be able to find my way to get the 07:12 departure to Newbury otheriwse I will get the next one.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: johoare on May 08, 2012, 07:23:21 pm
    I got totally caught out by the changes at Reading today.. I was changing on to the stopping Service back to Maidenhead and I'm sure I always used to get on on the right hand side platform as there is a platform both sides of that particular. Platform 16 however is to the left of the train now.. I made myself look a bit silly I think as I walked quite a way up the train before trying the door button and then realising the doors were open on the other side.. I must remember to pay attention in future.. Hopefully it made some of the other passengers chuckle though..::) ::)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on May 08, 2012, 07:30:59 pm
    I was lucky the other Sunday - my train from Swindon came in on platform 7 - making it the shortest of walks to the Waterloo line services!  Saved me a half hour wait too.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 08, 2012, 09:29:18 pm
    I got totally caught out by the changes at Reading today.. I was changing on to the stopping Service back to Maidenhead and I'm sure I always used to get on on the right hand side platform as there is a platform both sides of that particular. Platform 16 however is to the left of the train now...

    Possibly clutching at straws here, I think!   ;D  Wasn't the operational side of P6 always on the north side for the last few years?  Which makes perfect sense for DMU dispatch, because the driver is on the left of the train? IIRC the former P7 was also opened on the left side (from the perspective of a departing train)?

    However you'd be right for P11, the old P10, on the north side of the up relief platform...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on May 08, 2012, 11:27:54 pm
    Was always left hand side, as long as I can remember!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Ollie on May 08, 2012, 11:35:40 pm
    Platform 16 (Old Platform 6) - has had doors released on the old Platform 8 side (now Platform 9) for as long as I can remember.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on May 09, 2012, 12:46:30 am
    Possibly clutching at straws here, I think!   ;D  Wasn't the operational side of P6 always on the north side for the last few years?  Which makes perfect sense for DMU dispatch, because the driver is on the left of the train?
    Also the platform edge the other side doesn't run the full length like the left hand side.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on May 09, 2012, 06:45:46 am
    I got totally caught out by the changes at Reading today.. I was changing on to the stopping Service back to Maidenhead and I'm sure I always used to get on on the right hand side platform as there is a platform both sides of that particular. Platform 16 however is to the left of the train now.. I made myself look a bit silly I think as I walked quite a way up the train before trying the door button and then realising the doors were open on the other side.. I must remember to pay attention in future.. Hopefully it made some of the other passengers chuckle though..::) ::)
    Was always left hand side, as long as I can remember!

    If I recall correctly the north side only was introduced just before Turboisation around about 1990, there had been attempts before that on both on 6 and on 7 to limit board to the northside only but it was impossible with slam door stock when passenger wanted to disembark from the south side on arrival


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 09, 2012, 11:45:58 am
    It's a shame that for arrivals both sides of the doors can't be opened to speed up the flow of passengers a little.  What happens now is that whenever a full train arrives on Platform 16 everybody getting off bunches up by the narrow part of the platform alongside the escalator steps on Platform 9.  Any train then coming in behind from the London direction onto Platform 9 then has to face people jostling for position right to the edge of the platform - a clear safety risk.  Still, with Platform 16 not long for this world the problem will solve itself soon.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on May 09, 2012, 03:20:39 pm
    I am due to have a job interview with FGW at Newbury this Friday traveling there from south wales changing trains at Reading so I will be very interested in seing what the station looks like when I am there in person rather than just looking at pics on the internet.

    Antony215 - first of all good luck with the interview.

    If you havent been to Reading station for two years I am guessing you havent been there since the subway has been closed. So if you are coming up from the West you will need to go over the cross bridge at the Eastern end of the station and then make your way to the relevant platform which would be either P7 or P1 (but can be others).

    I reckon 12 minutes would be more than enough but as others have said space is limited on P7 and I would think about moving up towards the first class coaches as your service approaches Reading. That way you will be nearer the stairs for crossing over to P7/p1 etc.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: johoare on May 09, 2012, 05:24:37 pm
    Platform 16 (Old Platform 6) - has had doors released on the old Platform 8 side (now Platform 9) for as long as I can remember.

    Yeah.. I wonder if it's a different platform I was thinking of as I was embarrassing myself yesterday... oh well... I didn't make the same mistake today  ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: anthony215 on May 09, 2012, 08:19:35 pm

    Antony215 - first of all good luck with the interview.

    If you havent been to Reading station for two years I am guessing you havent been there since the subway has been closed. So if you are coming up from the West you will need to go over the cross bridge at the Eastern end of the station and then make your way to the relevant platform which would be either P7 or P1 (but can be others).

    I reckon 12 minutes would be more than enough but as others have said space is limited on P7 and I would think about moving up towards the first class coaches as your service approaches Reading. That way you will be nearer the stairs for crossing over to P7/p1 etc.
    [/quote]

    Funny enough I never used the subway least time I was there when it was still open I am planning on getting the carriage next to the buffet car.
     I did originally plan on getting to Newbury by going via Westbury but the number of changes put me off especially since it would only take one of those connections to be late etc and my plans would be blown out of the water.

    Thank you for the best wishes as well and I hope my luck is with me on friday especially since this would be my 1st job in the railway industry and not something I had originally planned on doing.

    Hopefully all going well I should be in Newbury for 07:45 before getting a taxi to the Hilton Newbury centre,  where FGW are carrying out the interviews that said if I can get a bus  to somewhere close to the centre rather than a taxi I will do so. Does  anyone know the area?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 11, 2012, 11:33:10 am
    I've attached a couple of pictures snapped with the phone yesterday.

    One is taken through the hoarding on P8/P9 looking west, showing the London end concrete pedestal for the transfer deck.  As far as I can work out the footings must be at the side of the old subway?  I'm also assuming the section immediately in the foreground is the future well for the escalator machinery, which will need to be a couple of metres below platform surface level.

    The second shot is of the transfer deck steelwork, and shows the various steel brackets associated with sliding it into place across the station as i mentioned a few posts back.  You'll notice (much easier on the real thing of course!) that the support pads above the concrete 'arms' don't actually match up with the steelwork - this is also seen above the concrete block in the middle, which forms the lift shafts.

    Also noticeable between the tracks is a concrete section which was put in over Christmas/New Year, which forms part of the rebuilt subway roof.  It is effectively a short section of slab track, with the rail chairs cast into the deck.  Was this done in order to gain headroom below?

    Hope this is of interest.

    Paul



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 16, 2012, 03:26:37 pm
    What looks like the realigned 'relief lines' west of the station are now being laid, presumably so that access to the new platforms 11-15 can be provided by next April and then the current relief lines can be lifted to allow room for the tracks and flyunder towards Southcote Junction.  I'd imagine there will be some temporary track arrangements at either end given the complex staged nature of the remodelling.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on May 16, 2012, 08:03:26 pm
    Will be very interested to see how the phased opening works. Will all the platforms, new and upgraded existing ones, be brought into use before the flyover opens?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on May 16, 2012, 08:12:49 pm
    That is still the plan, yes.  I think all the main platform work except P11 is supposed to finish before the western junctions work starts.

    There's an amended timetable on page 83 of the CP4 enhancements plan update for March 2012, the third file on this page:

    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/publications/deliveryplan/Control-Period-4/Delivery-Plan-update-2012/

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on May 16, 2012, 08:20:52 pm
    Thanks, that's useful.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 18, 2012, 01:57:02 pm
    Here's the latest edition of the staff news:

    (http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5238/7221156704_f233d8067a_b.jpg)


    (http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5448/7221157224_3392919de3_b.jpg)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 18, 2012, 02:58:29 pm
    I'm delighted to say I've got permission to share with you all the official time-lapse photographs of the remodelling which are absolutely fantastic.  Updated every 15 minutes throughout the working day you can view crystal clear sharp images from any date since the project began right up to the latest shot, or view all images in a time-lapse style which will no doubt feature on the NR website in time.

    There's a total of nine cameras based on three main worksites.  Go to www.lobstervision.tv and enter one of the following in the 'username' and 'password' box:

    For the new northern entrance and transfer deck:  nrreading01
    For the new western gateline by the Three Guineas: nrreading02
    For the new maintenance depot and associated buildings:  nrreading03

    Navigation to the individual cameras and still image or time-lapse options is on the page that will be displayed.  Up-to-the minute pictures for all of us.  Brilliant stuff!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on May 18, 2012, 04:04:25 pm
    I'm delighted to say I've got permission to share with you all the official time-lapse photographs of the remodelling which are absolutely fantastic.  Updated every 15 minutes throughout the working day you can view crystal clear sharp images from any date since the project began right up to the latest shot, or view all images in a time-lapse style which will no doubt feature on the NR website in time.

    There's a total of nine cameras based on three main worksites.  Go to www.lobstervision.tv and enter one of the following in the 'username' and 'password' box:

    For the new northern entrance and transfer deck:  nrreading01
    For the new western gateline by the Three Guineas: nrreading02
    For the new maintenance depot and associated buildings:  nrreading03

    Navigation to the individual cameras and still image or time-lapse options is on the page that will be displayed.  Up-to-the minute pictures for all of us.  Brilliant stuff!

    many thanks for this - I don't get to travel on the main line west out of Reading so it was good to watch.

    Thanks again


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on May 18, 2012, 07:56:46 pm
    For those who don't know.  PTFE referred to in the newsletter is better known by the registered trade name Teflon (hope this does not offend the trade mark holder since I have acknowldged that it is a registered trade mark)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lordgoata on May 18, 2012, 11:59:06 pm
    I'm delighted to say I've got permission to share with you all the official time-lapse photographs of the remodelling which are absolutely fantastic.

    Awesome news, I love watching time lapse stuff! Please pass on our thanks to whoever gave permission :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on May 21, 2012, 05:01:02 pm
    Looks like today (viewing the lobstervision cam), that the first of the overhead catenary masts are being installed in the new depot.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on May 25, 2012, 04:28:43 pm
    New canopy of platforms 5 and 6 seemed to be coming along well today, unsurprisingly it looks identical to platform 4's canopy. The structure of the new transfer deck really does loom large above the station now as well.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on May 30, 2012, 06:41:42 am
    New canopy of platforms 5 and 6 seemed to be coming along well today, unsurprisingly it looks identical to platform 4's canopy. The structure of the new transfer deck really does loom large above the station now as well.

    Indeed SS this morning (Wednesday) even more canopy had been added and the supports for p6 "floor" seem to be coming along well. It will be good to have p6 open as p5 can become very congested.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on May 30, 2012, 07:00:21 pm
    I saw this today as well.  It seemed to me that the canopy columns need to be installed before the decking can be installed on the bases.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 14, 2012, 12:03:46 pm
    There's an exhibition of the project taking place at the station today and tomorrow:

    http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-RAILWAY-UPGRADES-GET-STATION-SHOWCASE-1ad2/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-RAILWAY-UPGRADES-GET-STATION-SHOWCASE-1ad2/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 14, 2012, 04:12:29 pm
    There's an exhibition of the project taking place at the station today and tomorrow:

    http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-RAILWAY-UPGRADES-GET-STATION-SHOWCASE-1ad2/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-RAILWAY-UPGRADES-GET-STATION-SHOWCASE-1ad2/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx)

    Thanks for posting this. Sadly I will miss it as I am not travelling through Reading again until next week. It will be interesting to see how the decking on p6 has advanced by then - I suspect quite alot as they appeared to be starting it when I came through Wednesday PM.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on June 14, 2012, 04:17:12 pm

    Thanks for posting this. Sadly I will miss it as I am not travelling through Reading again until next week. It will be interesting to see how the decking on p6 has advanced by then - I suspect quite alot as they appeared to be starting it when I came through Wednesday PM.

    Most of the precast base slabs seemed to be in place this morning, and the entrance to the emergency exit at the far end of the platforms is nearly complete. The latter is a very solid cast concrete structure considering it only has to provide shelter for the steps down to the subway, looks strong enough to be part of an air raid shelter!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 14, 2012, 04:23:18 pm

    Most of the precast base slabs seemed to be in place this morning, and the entrance to the emergency exit at the far end of the platforms is nearly complete. The latter is a very solid cast concrete structure considering it only has to provide shelter for the steps down to the subway, looks strong enough to be part of an air raid shelter!

    Yes, I had noticed the "Solid" construction of the emergency exit when pulling into P5. Speaking as a frequent user of those platforms it will be nice to get some space back on P5/P6 as it gets cramped on P5 quite easily. Having said the FGW have done their best to hold back the "new" passengers until dis-embarking pax have left the platform.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: onthecushions on June 15, 2012, 11:09:55 pm

    Good to have first class scheme and publicity. Usually it's one or the other.

    As an aside does anyone know why NR didn't opt for a simple modern overall roof or train shed, like at Leeds City?

    The platform canopies and escalator covers look very complicated

    OTC


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on June 16, 2012, 09:19:14 pm
    There is a new Reading Station Newsletter on Network Rail's site

    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=30064781722 (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=30064781722)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on June 20, 2012, 09:45:05 pm
    More photos on:

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=92550641&postcount=168 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=92550641&postcount=168)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on June 20, 2012, 09:50:22 pm
    Also an article:

    http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2115567_reading_station_development_reaches_crucial_phase (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2115567_reading_station_development_reaches_crucial_phase)


    Title: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on June 21, 2012, 09:48:46 pm
    Those photographs are a bit out of date based on what I saw today.... :o


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 21, 2012, 09:53:30 pm
    Just in case anyone missed this post earlier in the thread:


    I'm delighted to say I've got permission to share with you all the official time-lapse photographs of the remodelling which are absolutely fantastic.  Updated every 15 minutes throughout the working day you can view crystal clear sharp images from any date since the project began right up to the latest shot, or view all images in a time-lapse style which will no doubt feature on the NR website in time.

    There's a total of nine cameras based on three main worksites.  Go to www.lobstervision.tv and enter one of the following in the 'username' and 'password' box:

    For the new northern entrance and transfer deck:  nrreading01
    For the new western gateline by the Three Guineas: nrreading02
    For the new maintenance depot and associated buildings:  nrreading03

    Navigation to the individual cameras and still image or time-lapse options is on the page that will be displayed.  Up-to-the minute pictures for all of us.  Brilliant stuff!


    Title: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on June 21, 2012, 10:20:25 pm
    Here is a photograph of the Platform No.6 works taken at 1415 today 21 June 2012:

    (http://cbrailways.co.uk/PhotoAlbums/album_1335815694/IMG_0386.JPG)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pbc2520 on June 27, 2012, 02:02:49 am
    Just in case anyone missed this post earlier in the thread:


    I'm delighted to say I've got permission to share with you all the official time-lapse photographs of the remodelling which are absolutely fantastic.  Updated every 15 minutes throughout the working day you can view crystal clear sharp images from any date since the project began right up to the latest shot, or view all images in a time-lapse style which will no doubt feature on the NR website in time.

    There's a total of nine cameras based on three main worksites.  Go to www.lobstervision.tv and enter one of the following in the 'username' and 'password' box:

    For the new northern entrance and transfer deck:  nrreading01
    For the new western gateline by the Three Guineas: nrreading02
    For the new maintenance depot and associated buildings:  nrreading03

    Navigation to the individual cameras and still image or time-lapse options is on the page that will be displayed.  Up-to-the minute pictures for all of us.  Brilliant stuff!

    And there's now nrreading04 for some views inside and outside the new shed!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 27, 2012, 06:27:54 am
    Come on fellow FGW'ers...you are missing the major improvement to Reading station over the last 7 days...

    New washers/hand dryers in the gents on the main concourse!

    (Sorry Ladies, you will just have to take my word for this!)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Surrey 455 on June 27, 2012, 09:50:29 am
    New washers/hand dryers in the gents on the main concourse!
    They must have been put in on Mon/Tues as most of the previous ones were out of order on Sunday.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on June 27, 2012, 10:14:09 am
    And there's now nrreading04 for some views inside and outside the new shed!

    Well spotted, sir!  :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on June 27, 2012, 03:59:31 pm
    I noticed this morning that the automatic ticket gates were out of action whilst "enhancement" work takes place. It seems that the manual wide gates are being replaced with automatic versions. Passengers were being funnelled through a few gates where cursory manual checks were being made.

    This will no doubt allow a further reduction in staffing levels. A few years ago the gates were well staffed with a permanent supervisor, who also monitored use of the lifts between the platforms and the unprotected side of the footbridge. In recent years, there has been little or no supervision and ticket checking on the manual gates is cursory at best.

    I guess that usage of this gateline will decrease dramatically when the new entrances open.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on June 27, 2012, 04:02:46 pm
    I noticed this morning that the automatic ticket gates were out of action whilst "enhancement" work takes place. It seems that the manual wide gates are being replaced with automatic versions. Passengers were being funnelled through a few gates where cursory manual checks were being made.

    I think the word "cursory" is key here and I noted you repeated it again later in your post. In my experience there are certain gateline operatives who do the checks more thoroughly than others. I often get the feeling I could wave last weeks ticket at them and still be allowed through.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lordgoata on June 27, 2012, 09:39:23 pm
    I often get the feeling I could wave last weeks ticket at them and still be allowed through.

    I did that the other week at Maidenhead, the gate kept saying "Seek assistance" (as it does 9 times out of 10), I was on the phone at the time effing and blinding about it, waved it at the member of staff, he opened the gate and I went through. When I got to the platform to sort myself out and put the ticket away, I realised it was the old season ticket and I had pulled the wrong one out in my haste!

    I apologised to the gate machine for shouting at it, the next evening ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on June 27, 2012, 09:50:18 pm
    I apologised to the gate machine for shouting at it, the next evening ;D

    Apologising to an inanimate object? I like it!

    I once walked into a lamppost whilst busy texting. I apologised immediately thinking I'd bumped into somebody, much to the amusement of the friend walking next to me.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Btline on June 27, 2012, 10:11:19 pm
    Wow - good to know the staff checked your ticket thoroughly! ::)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: devon_metro on June 27, 2012, 10:55:44 pm
    Wow - good to know the staff checked your ticket thoroughly! ::)

    Presumably the commuter was shocked/stunned/aghast...etc.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on June 28, 2012, 06:47:11 am
    I apologised to the gate machine for shouting at it, the next evening ;D

    Apologising to an inanimate object? I like it!

    I once walked into a lamppost whilst busy texting. I apologised immediately thinking I'd bumped into somebody, much to the amusement of the friend walking next to me.

    I once apologised to a shop dummy I had bumped into in M&S........


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 02, 2012, 01:23:04 pm
    More photos on:

    http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=92550641&postcount=168 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=92550641&postcount=168)

    I can answer the final question in that skyscrapercity post - the shape of the embankment east of the existing footbridge is temporary, it is to do with the way in which they build the retaining wall which will be tied back into the earthworks at various levels.  A similar technique was used east of the Vastern Rd bridge on the south side.  Basically the land within the retaining wall will be built up gradually in compacted layers, around the reinforcement supports behind the wall.

    (From one of the contractors doing that part of the civils work.)

    PS - I've attached a quick phone pic from this afternoon - you can see the idea, the black mesh reinforcement is run from between every few courses of blocks right across the fill material, which will be compacted over it.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 03, 2012, 06:00:49 pm
    I was assured this afternoon that the transfer deck steelwork is supposed to start moving across the station during a possession tonight...

    (Also, the post above is updated to include a picture of the wall building procedure.)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 04, 2012, 03:36:11 pm

    And there's now nrreading04 for some views inside and outside the new shed!


    ...and also now nrreading05 (only a camera 2 so far) for a view inline with the transfer deck from the south...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 04, 2012, 09:09:17 pm
    More photos on http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=9 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=501601&page=9) (scroll down to the bottom)

    There is also now group on Flicker

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/1945836@N21/pool/with/7390066106/#photo_7390066106 (http://www.flickr.com/groups/1945836@N21/pool/with/7390066106/#photo_7390066106)

    Can anyone tell me whether the tunnel shown on this photo (from http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/7390066106/in/pool-1945836@N21 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/7390066106/in/pool-1945836@N21)) will be used?



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pbc2520 on July 04, 2012, 09:46:43 pm

    And there's now nrreading04 for some views inside and outside the new shed!


    ...and also now nrreading05 (only a camera 2 so far) for a view inline with the transfer deck from the south...

    Paul

    Excellent.. cameras are sprouting up everywhere!  Good view of an office ceiling from camera 1 :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 05, 2012, 07:57:09 am
    The transfer deck seems to have moved about 3 metres last night from what I couldee from the train on platform 8.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 05, 2012, 11:31:39 am

    Can anyone tell me whether the tunnel shown on this photo (from http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/7390066106/in/pool-1945836@N21 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/7390066106/in/pool-1945836@N21)) will be used?


    I'd suggest not, because there is nowhere I can think of for the other end to appear, especially not on the south side.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 05, 2012, 11:43:30 am
    The transfer deck seems to have moved about 3 metres last night from what I couldee from the train on platform 8.

    Confirmed with the webcams too - the northern end of the structure is sitting just about in line with the concrete supports on P14/P15, so it has moved a quite significant distance.  The time lapse photos suggest it moved in about 90 minutes as far as I can work out.

    From what I heard on Tuesday there will be a period with it in an interim position with the south end somewhere over P8/P9 while more length is added to the north end, then the slide will be completed.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 05, 2012, 08:02:46 pm
    ...and also now nrreading05 (only a camera 2 so far) for a view inline with the transfer deck from the south...

    Excellent.. cameras are sprouting up everywhere!  Good view of an office ceiling from camera 1 :)

    Progress!  Camera 1 on page 5 is now providing a useful view westward along the line of P10 - will show the transfer deck slide progress very clearly ...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 06, 2012, 07:47:57 am
    It moved again last night. The south end of the transfer deck is now centred over the supports on platforms 8/9. Is this as far as it will go for a while?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 06, 2012, 07:52:27 am
    I noticed that this morning on my way though. Ok, I wil admit this is a stupid question (and I havent yet had time to watch the stomo  video) but is it moving or bits added on the southern end? Logic tells me the latter given the sheer mass of it!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 06, 2012, 08:53:28 am
    Definately moving


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 06, 2012, 10:58:43 am
    I noticed that this morning on my way though. Ok, I wil admit this is a stupid question (and I havent yet had time to watch the stomo  video) but is it moving or bits added on the southern end? Logic tells me the latter given the sheer mass of it!

    Most definitely a 'bridge slide'.  The mechanics of how it all works (strand jacking) were described in detail in post #681 in this thread, back on page 46...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 06, 2012, 11:00:57 am
    Thanks Paul...must make time to read this in more detail (not easy on a mobile!) but IMHO it is certainly an impressive operation!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 06, 2012, 11:10:19 am
    It moved again last night. The south end of the transfer deck is now centred over the supports on platforms 8/9. Is this as far as it will go for a while?

    The post I just referred back to confirms that it will be held above P8/P9 for a while, the initial move was explained to be 28.5 metres.  The gap between the P8/P9 piers and the P7 abutment is rather longer than the distance they've just covered, so I assume they need more weight on the north end now to balance that out.

    In fact, having now looked at the webcam pictures, I'd estimate that the next gap is a bit longer than half the length of the existing structure - so it will have to be made longer for the procedure to work again, IYSWIM...

    I think this could also be done by adding significantly more temporary weight to the north end as a counterbalance, but it probably makes much more sense to spend a little more time adding the normal structural steel, as that only has to be done once.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 07, 2012, 02:41:49 pm
    I noticed it moved a bit more last night!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 08, 2012, 12:40:28 pm
    It also move again on saturday night another metre I think


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on July 08, 2012, 04:27:03 pm
    BBC showed a video report of the bridge being moved yesterday. An NR spokesman said that the new footbridge would be completed earlier than planned as things had been progressing so well.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 08, 2012, 06:37:00 pm
    BBC internet report:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-18762712

    "Work on Reading rail bridge is completed"

    Er, don't they understand about phases of work?  If a BBC reporter had actually visited the site would he really write that?

    Paul

    PS Had reported my criticism last night via BBC website comments page - and give them their due thay have amended the article slightly to refer to a 'section'.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 08, 2012, 11:59:18 pm
    Meanwhile Platform 6 is nearing completion and is scheduled to open on Thursday 12th July, when platform 5 will also be open along its full 12-car length of 268 metres.  So that'll be 3 12-car length platforms (for 20 metre carriages) with 3rd rail and permissive working to increase operational flexibility in time for the Olympics.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 09, 2012, 05:16:59 am
    Meanwhile Platform 6 is nearing completion and is scheduled to open on Thursday 12th July, when platform 5 will also be open along its full 12-car length of 268 metres.  So that'll be 3 12-car length platforms (for 20 metre carriages) with 3rd rail and permissive working to increase operational flexibility in time for the Olympics.

    That will be very welcome news to me! Hopefully when my homeward bound service pulls in a P4/P5 the "human" congestion will be alot less!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 09, 2012, 10:32:13 am
    Meanwhile Platform 6 is nearing completion and is scheduled to open on Thursday 12th July, when platform 5 will also be open along its full 12-car length of 268 metres. 

    Does that mean that the tubular steel fencing bolted down along P5 (beyond the 8 car length) has only been temporary during the works?

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 09, 2012, 05:43:15 pm
    Network Rail timelapse video of the transfer deck slide:

    http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-BRIDGE-GETS-THE-PUSH-1b03/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on July 09, 2012, 08:23:49 pm
    Network Rail timelapse video of the transfer deck slide:

    http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/READING-BRIDGE-GETS-THE-PUSH-1b03/SearchCategoryID-8.aspx

    Paul

    Now that is how to build a station


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 10, 2012, 07:57:07 am
    See below picture of transfer deck over p8 takeng this morning (10/7/2012)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements - and a question
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 10, 2012, 08:53:10 pm
    This evening on my journey home I noticed the cover was on the emergency exit at the east end of P6/p5. It's certainly all happening!

    Now there will soon be 3 platforms servicing the north downs/waterloo lines, will the trains be scheduled to make best use of platform space? E.g.,  Using P4 and P6 at the same time rather than p5/p6? Of course this does assume there will only ever be two trains platformed at anyone time which is probably not a true assumption.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on July 11, 2012, 11:03:40 am
    ....and the new Platform No.6 taken at 1515 yesterday 10 July 2012....

    (http://cbrailways.co.uk/PhotoAlbums/album_1335815694/IMG_0044.JPG)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements - and a question
    Post by: paul7755 on July 11, 2012, 06:54:13 pm

    Now there will soon be 3 platforms servicing the north downs/waterloo lines, will the trains be scheduled to make best use of platform space? E.g.,  Using P4 and P6 at the same time rather than p5/p6? Of course this does assume there will only ever be two trains platformed at anyone time which is probably not a true assumption.

    I think the logical approach from a 'passenger standardisation' viewpoint (pending any unlikely new services such as Airtrack etc ::) ) might be to use P5/P6 for SWT, and P4 for FGW.

    Having said that signallers everywhere do seem to like injecting random changes to keep everyone, including passengers and staff, on their toes...

    This afternoon there was lots of NR brass about, jotting down in notebooks what still had to be done for tomorrow morning's reopening - should be OK though because P4 looked in a similar state the day before didn't it?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on July 11, 2012, 07:21:03 pm
    On the top deck of a passing bus today and saw that what appears to be a brick tunnel near to the Vastern Road bridge is actually just an "alcove" about 10ft deep so no question of it going under the tracks. Looks like an old GWR storage bay.

    A secret passageway into Apex Plaza did seem quite exciting!!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements - and a question
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 11, 2012, 07:40:53 pm
    I think the logical approach from a 'passenger standardisation' viewpoint (pending any unlikely new services such as Airtrack etc ::) ) might be to use P5/P6 for SWT, and P4 for FGW.

    Having said that signallers everywhere do seem to like injecting random changes to keep everyone, including passengers and staff, on their toes...

    This afternoon there was lots of NR brass about, jotting down in notebooks what still had to be done for tomorrow morning's reopening - should be OK though because P4 looked in a similar state the day before didn't it?

    Paul

    Thanks Paul for your reply. To a layman like me, where is the decision made as to which platform an incoming train will use when it comes up from Wokingham? Is it made at Reading or where ever (swindon?)?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on July 11, 2012, 07:49:46 pm

    Thanks Paul for your reply. To a layman like me, where is the decision made as to which platform an incoming train will use when it comes up from Wokingham? Is it made at Reading or where ever (swindon?)?

    It will normally be the ARS (Automatic Route Setting) at Didcot (TV Siganlling Centre) that will route the train to the platform. The signalman will only intervene if there is out of course running etc.

    So any one train should in theory always use the same platform. How the platforms are used will depend on whoever programmes the ARSs.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 11, 2012, 07:59:20 pm

    Thanks Paul for your reply. To a layman like me, where is the decision made as to which platform an incoming train will use when it comes up from Wokingham? Is it made at Reading or where ever (swindon?)?

    It will normally be the ARS (Automatic Route Setting) at Didcot (TV Siganlling Centre) that will route the train to the platform. The signalman will only intervene if there is out of course running etc.

    So any one train should in theory always use the same platform. How the platforms are used will depend on whoever programmes the ARSs.

    Thanks 8F - so how often are the routes reprogrammed - for example if there exactly the same services at the same times on two consectutive days would the routes need to be re-programmed?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on July 11, 2012, 09:24:15 pm
    I was in Reading today and despite all the work going on it was pleasing to see that the station continues to function normally. Train despatch in this afternoon's peak was particularly good. My 1626 to Bristol TM was wheels turning dead on 16:26:00.

    The regular, as well as the additional, and very visible, FGW staff are doing an excellent job in somewhat difficult conditions. To make things worse today the scrolling displays were out of action, with a not very useful 'Welcome to Reading' being displayed. I people watched for a good 20 minutes before I caught my train home. Station staff were noticeably proactive in helping passengers - not always waiting to be asked - but rather, doing the asking themselves. One FGW chap near me on P7 was approaching passengers and asking about their destination, ensuring that they knew which was the right westbound service to catch by telling them, "It'll be the 1st/2nd/3rd service on this platform." He was also busy hustling people along the platform and telling them roughly where Standard Class or the coach with their booked seat would be. He was even helping people with their luggage.* All done with an engaging smile and courtesy. I made a note of this chap's name and will be emailing FGW with some praise.


    *I briefly worked for FGW through an employment agency in the booking hall area of Bristol Temple Meads in 2004, employed to assist passengers with information about their trains and to help prevent a large build up of folk in front of the screens near the gateline. I would also help folk with their luggage if asked and I occasionally offered. That is until one of the permanent staff told me to stop doing it. Apparently I wasn't insured to carry luggage or even just lift it onto a trolley and push said trolley. This guy told me that the RMT had decreed that such work was outside of a Customer Service Assistant's contract terms and until FGW paid extra and insured their platform and gateline staff to do 'portering' duties then such assistance should not be offered. Despite protests from one or two of the old guard (worried, I assume, that if I did the odd bit of portering, passenger would come to expect all staff to do it) I continued to help when asked. The tips were often quite generous!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 11, 2012, 09:53:59 pm
    I think one of the things which "i am not partial to" at Reading is the continual announcments to members of the public on P7 asking them to "keep behind the yellow line, please".   My dislike is not about the fact FGW staff are making these announcments but I guess they are being made by someone on the platform through a radio mike to the PA system and uncomfortable levels of feedback are not unusual

    I must stress I totally understand the need for these annoucements at the moment space is limited on P7.

    To back up what BNM said, I also found the way the traffic flow from p5 was managed this afternoon was exceptionally good. on this occasion it wasn't down to one person but a team working as a - err- team!

    I won't be on my normal route tomorrow (Thursday) when P6 reopens but look forward to seeing the difference on Friday morning.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 11, 2012, 10:09:06 pm
    Thanks 8F - so how often are the routes reprogrammed - for example if there exactly the same services at the same times on two consectutive days would the routes need to be re-programmed?

    The theory is that between timetable change dates the base platforming information isn't altered - (apart from differences between weekday, Sat and Sun).  Clearly they have to stick a preferred platform in the database to make certain that the timetable works.  If you interrogate a site such as open train times, you'll find that your 'hhmm to where ever' shows the same platform every weekday - and if there are no perturbations to the daily operations, that is what ought to happen.

    If you try links like these (that will go stale eventually) you can wind the date/time on by amending the link where it shows the date or time, and you'll see the same cycle appears - although there are minor differences:

    http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG?day=11&month=7&time=1200&year=2012
    http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG?day=12&month=7&time=1200&year=2012
    http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG?day=13&month=7&time=1200&year=2012

    (At the time of writing P6 isn't shown at all, but that will change...)

    Paul



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 12, 2012, 12:33:15 pm
    Does that mean that the tubular steel fencing bolted down along P5 (beyond the 8 car length) has only been temporary during the works?

    Paul 

    That's answered, the tubular fencing has gone now.

    Call me picky ;D but I'm quite surprised they've used both a different style of station name boards to those on P4, and fitted them in a different position. Looks poor in comparison.

    I also think there's something cheap and nasty looking about the way all the P5 and P6 signs have just been clamped round the uprights.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: grahame on July 12, 2012, 12:57:01 pm
    Platforms 4, 5 and 6 from a departing train at around 07:30 this morning:

    (http://www.wellho.net/pix/readytogo.jpg)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 13, 2012, 11:53:32 am
    The new platforms 12/13 and 14/15 along with what will be the new through platform 11 are now starting to take shape.  Also the roof covering of the lower section of the transfer deck is now being installed.  Best viewed on the lobstervision site's camera two on nrreading01.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 14, 2012, 10:00:21 pm
    On the top deck of a passing bus today and saw that what appears to be a brick tunnel near to the Vastern Road bridge is actually just an "alcove" about 10ft deep so no question of it going under the tracks. Looks like an old GWR storage bay.

    A secret passageway into Apex Plaza did seem quite exciting!!

    With apologies for our apparent oversight, Jonty, may I now offer you a very warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum? Chris ::) ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 16, 2012, 07:54:31 am
    I know P6 has been handed back but is actually used at the moment? I know it's only been a week but I haven't yet seen a service pull in on it.

    Just to update my own post I did a check on open train times (see below) and no departures were listed from P6 on this enquiry. I am aware that platform alterations on p4/5/6 can happen at the last minute so this is not conclusive.

    http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG (http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: autotank on July 16, 2012, 09:43:54 am
    I saw a train using PLatform 6 on Saturday and have a photo to prove it!

    https://twitter.com/thebunkline/status/224138666707132416/photo/1

    Looks very impressive - well done all involved.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 16, 2012, 09:52:44 am
    I know P6 has been handed back but is actually used at the moment? I know it's only been a week but I haven't yet seen a service pull in on it.

    Just to update my own post I did a check on open train times (see below) and no departures were listed from P6 on this enquiry. I am aware that platform alterations on p4/5/6 can happen at the last minute so this is not conclusive.

    http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG (http://www.opentraintimes.com/location/RDG)

    I've been checking live departure boards (LDBs) and often no outgoing platform numbers are shown, whereas the corresponding arrivals do show where they are terminating.  I have a theory that this indicates that they are not sticking to the long term platforming (such as shown in 'opentraintimes' (which isn't a live feed BTW)).

    I've seen quite a few arrivals shown in LDBs as P6 over the weekend, but can't vouch for what actually happened to the actual services...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 16, 2012, 10:02:09 am
    Thanks for both of you for clearing this up

    Dave


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 16, 2012, 06:14:48 pm
    Arrived at Reading tonight (From Reigate) on P5 with no train on P6...and there is so much space to exit the train and leave the platform now!

    Definate improvement!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on July 16, 2012, 08:08:49 pm
    I agree, it is such a relief after months of overcrowding!

    But P6 looks like it hasn't had any trains all day- the CIS was just displaying "Welcome to Reading Station" this morning and this evening. Does anyone know if there is some track or signal problem preventing its use? Or are the unions demanding  a bonus before staff will use it?  ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 16, 2012, 08:33:37 pm
    Webcam Reading01 Camera 2 is showing the big mobile crane is back and large sections of steel for the next transfer deck section are going up...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Visoflex on July 17, 2012, 11:01:25 am
    The extra Southern platform (4) was built partly in anticipation of Heathrow Airtrack. With that project's cancellation in its original form, could it now be the case that there is too much platform capacity at least for the time being?  However, as you don't rebuild stations to cope with the current business, rather than for the future, then this capacity will be used up eventually,.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 17, 2012, 11:36:50 am
    I'm fairly sure that, if they felt only 2 platforms were to be routinely used, the track layout on the approach is such that the maximum flexibility would be gained by using 5 and 6, with 4 as the spare. 

    Of course there are plans to run more SWT services in the peaks in the 2014 timetable # which may result partly from the additional platform capacity gained.

    (# That would be after the available stock increases following the 10 car conversions of the 458s for the Windsor lines.)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 17, 2012, 06:45:08 pm
    Photo of activity tonight at Reading station (taken about 17:30)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 18, 2012, 11:06:52 pm
    Some timelapse on the FGW Reading Station Site

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Rail-improvements/Reading-station-improvements (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Rail-improvements/Reading-station-improvements)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on July 24, 2012, 10:07:40 am
    There seem to have been some further work being done on platform 6 over the last couple of days, some of the paving looks like it is being re-done. This might explain why the platform is still not in regular use.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 24, 2012, 10:11:11 am
    One thing I have noticed about the p5/p6 combination is that no matter how much space there is, passengers leaving services still manage to take up alot of space (and manage to get in my way!)

    But I guess that is just human nature :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Pedros on July 24, 2012, 10:37:40 am
    There also appears to be a few oddities with regards to the platform allocation with some trains too.  For example, I get the train into Reading from Guildford, which arrives at 17.54.  We're always held outside Reading waiting for a Waterloo bound train to leave the station (timetabled at 17.56)  We wait for it to pass and then trundle in to platform 5

    It seems odd that you have 3 platforms, yet trains are still being held outside the station. I should also say that there are no other trains in the platform when we arrive, so it can't be because of platform congestion.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on July 24, 2012, 10:40:58 am
    Yes, I am often on the same train, and was quite surprised to find we are still waiting outside the station at the same time and place as was the case in the days when there were only two platforms and a single track approach over the bridge!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Louis94 on July 24, 2012, 10:43:47 am
    There also appears to be a few oddities with regards to the platform allocation with some trains too.  For example, I get the train into Reading from Guildford, which arrives at 17.54.  We're always held outside Reading waiting for a Waterloo bound train to leave the station (timetabled at 17.56)  We wait for it to pass and then trundle in to platform 5

    It seems odd that you have 3 platforms, yet trains are still being held outside the station. I should also say that there are no other trains in the platform when we arrive, so it can't be because of platform congestion.

    The Waterloo service is booked out at 1753


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 24, 2012, 10:46:57 am
    There also appears to be a few oddities with regards to the platform allocation with some trains too.  For example, I get the train into Reading from Guildford, which arrives at 17.54.  We're always held outside Reading waiting for a Waterloo bound train to leave the station (timetabled at 17.56)  We wait for it to pass and then trundle in to platform 5

    It seems odd that you have 3 platforms, yet trains are still being held outside the station. I should also say that there are no other trains in the platform when we arrive, so it can't be because of platform congestion.

    In the morning the 634 Reading to Gatwick seems to be scheduled for P4 by default but on a couple of occasions it has been switched from P4 to P5/P6 at the last minute so pax seem to have got into the habit of waiting at the end of P4/P5 until the train can be seen on the horizon.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 24, 2012, 11:00:29 am
    Yes, I am often on the same train, and was quite surprised to find we are still waiting outside the station at the same time and place as was the case in the days when there were only two platforms and a single track approach over the bridge!

    To allow an arriving train into P4 while a departing train leaves P5 would require an additional length of 'third track' and at least two more sets of points. As installed, P4 is a simple branch to the left off the straight route into P5 but this is beyond the crossovers between up and down lines. 

    AFAICS the move you expect is going to be available in the opposite half hour, but only assuming the Waterloo train is leaving P6 directly onto the up line.

    Maybe the timetable will be altered in future to optimise the capabilities of the three platforms?

    The other point I've just remembered is that all the time P6 was out of use, the available track layout was effectively the same as the old set up prior to the alterations startimng, so any time in the last week that P6 was temporarily out of use it would also have had the same effect?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on July 24, 2012, 11:13:34 am
    Ah, of course. I was naively assuming that approaching trains go straight into P4 so wouldn't conflict with departures from P5.  Hopefully with P6 fully functional this will give a bit more flexibility, as presumably a P6 departure can take place simulaneously with a P4/5 arrival, assuming platforms are available?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 24, 2012, 11:24:10 am
    As far as I can work out yes - P6 departures are independent of both possible arrivals. 

    Track layouts at a multi-platform terminus (ie more than two) on a two track railway can get quite complicated - but without adding flyovers or underpasses there will always be certain moves that cause conflicts across the whole approach layout, either on arrival or departure.

    Paul     


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on July 24, 2012, 12:12:08 pm
    Here's an improvement at Reading station that Network Rail have kept very quiet - TGVs!! According to a street sign on a road near the station:

    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/tgvreading.jpg)

    http://goo.gl/maps/nOol

     ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 24, 2012, 12:22:45 pm
    Webcam nrreading01 (cameras 1 and 2) showing steelwork for canopy support have been put in on both the P12/13 and P14/15 islands overnight...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 24, 2012, 12:32:47 pm
    Here's an improvement at Reading station that Network Rail have kept very quiet - TGVs!! According to a street sign on a road near the station:

    (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/tgvreading.jpg)

    http://goo.gl/maps/nOol

     ;D

    @BNM that is how rumours start!!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 24, 2012, 06:27:29 pm
    Will we see any suitable passenger facilities such as seating on Platforms 4/5/6 I wonder?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on July 24, 2012, 07:43:50 pm
    Webcam nrreading01 (cameras 1 and 2) showing steelwork for canopy support have been put in on both the P12/13 and P14/15 islands overnight...

    Paul


    Why did it have to be done in the middle of the night?  Surely a possession is not required for the crane to work there?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on July 25, 2012, 10:24:42 am
    Perhaps it was considered safer as there would have been fewer workers on site, fewer lorries delivering stuff and so on?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 25, 2012, 11:08:49 am
    From a few random checks on the webcams I think there is normally a significant night shift activity Mon - Fri anyway, it's not likely to be associated with possession requirements.

    By the way, there's some canopy 'internal structure' appeared now on P14/15, and again it was being progressed in the small hours.  Might just be normal construction site working practices, spread everything out over 24 hours?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on July 30, 2012, 11:38:40 am
    Platform 6 still seems to be out of use. No visible work going on at the moment, though last week there seemed to be some repairs to uneven paving being done.  Is there some more fundamental problem? Given the previously discussed conflicts that occur when accessing 4 and 5 it seems odd to leave it with that pair being the ones that get used.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on July 30, 2012, 11:46:10 am
    Platform 6 still seems to be out of use. No visible work going on at the moment, though last week there seemed to be some repairs to uneven paving being done.  Is there some more fundamental problem? Given the previously discussed conflicts that occur when accessing 4 and 5 it seems odd to leave it with that pair being the ones that get used.

    I don't think it is true to say P6 is out of use as the North Downs trains I used on a frequent basis have pulled in there a couple of time but it certainly seems to be the case that it is not the "platform of preference". Certainly around about 615am there is normally an SWT service on P5 and the 634 Gatwick service is advertised as P4...and then sometimes get moved to P6 at the last minute.

    Due to overrunning engineering works at Theale last Friday I had to work from home but this morning I noticed the "2012 Olympic" destination signs were up. Did these go up on Friday?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on July 30, 2012, 12:34:51 pm
    I asked a chap from the contractors on Friday, and he said the platform was definitely operationally available, but because they were still dealing with the snagging list the signallers were not routinely using it.  I don't think there's a fundamental problem.

    Live departure boards (arrivals option) showed it in use over the weekend though not this morning - which makes sense if the contractors aren't about on Sat afternoon and all day Sun?

    PS - webcam2 showing steelwork frame for the stairs at the P7 side of the transfer deck now.  Gives a good idea of the scale of the whole thing, the escalators will be between the stairs and the concrete wall that's soon to be cast...

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on July 30, 2012, 01:49:26 pm
    I've just been watching the various time-lapse from the lobstertv cams at Reading. It's quite amusing to see the pauses in work, which are obviously weekends, when cranes, trucks, diggers and mixers all appear to suddenly stop and the orange clad army of workers disappear. Rather like everything is catching its breath. Noting though that the purple flashes of FGW rolling stock continues without missing a beat!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 08, 2012, 01:37:34 pm
    Here's a close-up of the progress on the new platforms 12/13 at Reading.  With platforms 14/15 in the background.

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8423/7739430196_3c7934e988_c.jpg)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 08, 2012, 01:53:08 pm
    it would be good if someone in the know could get some pictures of the existing reading west depot , inside and out,before it strikes the dust (Whenever that will be)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 16, 2012, 03:01:56 pm
    Web Cam 1 (option 3) reveals the 'strand-jacking' equipment is being re-fitted to the new transfer deck side beams - so I expect the final phase of the slide across to platform 7 must be happening soon;  maybe at the weekend, or within the next week or so?

    Web Cam 2 (option 1) is also now showing some fairly major roof support steelwork has appeared in the vicinity of the new southern gateline, ie between the foot of the new transfer deck's staircase and the 'Three Guineas'.  There's a few large sections lying on the ground (next to the portakabins in the foreground) - I guess they're something to do with the overall curve of the roof in the area of what will effectively become the main entrance?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on August 20, 2012, 08:41:22 pm
    There is activity around the bridge both (Cam 1 option3 & Cam 2 option 2) sides this evening with extra temporary lighting being installed.  Perhaps a slide tonight.

    Edit: Yes the bridge is now lit up and there is more activity.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: coachflyer on August 20, 2012, 11:53:01 pm
    Just spoken to a couple of the workers and it is on the move.

    Due to move 12.5 m tonight with the rest tomorrow.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on August 21, 2012, 08:25:53 am
    Just spoken to a couple of the workers and it is on the move.

    Due to move 12.5 m tonight with the rest tomorrow.

    Does that mean the southen end of the transfer deck will be in it's final placement by the end of today (Tuesday)?



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 21, 2012, 10:44:18 am
    Just spoken to a couple of the workers and it is on the move.

    Due to move 12.5 m tonight with the rest tomorrow.

    Does that mean the southen end of the transfer deck will be in it's final placement by the end of today (Tuesday)?

    I expect 'tonight' in the above context meant overnight Mon/Tue, and the final few feet will be overnight Tue/Wed, so by tomorrow morning it should be in the final position.

    While I'm no expert, I'd imagine there are final support fittings and bearings to precisely align on the matching surfaces of the piers and the underside of the deck - it would make sense for there to be a final round of detailed adjustments at this stage. For a deck that size there'll have to be some fairly complex expansion joints, not just at the ends but where the stairs and escalators are mounted?

    Having succesfully predicted the move, my prediction for the next week is that fairly significant lengths of the platform side walls will be built at the east ends of P12/13 and P14/15.  There's been a general tidy up in that area, and the footings for the walls are being poured in sections.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Boppy on August 21, 2012, 02:25:57 pm
    Yep it looks like the slide happened last night and the transfer deck now spans Platforms 7 & 8 as well.  To my untrained eye it looks like one further slide of a few metres may still be necessary?  I could well be wrong as it may be the case that some steelwork is simply missing and can now go up to bridge the gap.

    Thinking about what is yet to come:  I'm certainly enjoying seeing the new platforms come into shape.  I guess once they are completed and the rack laid we'll move on to the next stage of using the new platforms whilst the old platforms get closed for renovation.

    One question I do have is concerning the work around the east bridge.  The roads have been reduced to one lane so I'm taking it that there is soon to be some serious work going on in and around the bridge.  I take it it's connected with the new retaining wall to the north of the station and how that connects to the bridge?  Or is there some other bridge work required?

    Thanks,

    Boppy.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 21, 2012, 05:08:38 pm
    Yep it looks like the slide happened last night and the transfer deck now spans Platforms 7 & 8 as well.  To my untrained eye it looks like one further slide of a few metres may still be necessary?  I could well be wrong as it may be the case that some steelwork is simply missing and can now go up to bridge the gap.

    The deck definitely has to slide a few metres yet, about 2 or 3 at the most.  You can see this on the webcam views by the way the gaps in the transfer deck framework that line up with the stairs and escalators aren't centralised over the relevant concrete piers yet.

    Regarding the east bridge, I assume you mean Vastern Rd bridge? 

    I thought the work to the bridge itself was reported complete last year, but there are fairly serious changes to the road markings and layout associated with the bus lanes for the new Northern entrance.  So could it be to do the changes shown in the diagram linked at the bottom of this web page, "New northern and southwest interchanges":

    http://www.reading.gov.uk/residents/parking-road-and-travel/reading-station-upgrade-town-centre-roadworks/

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Boppy on August 21, 2012, 05:49:32 pm
    Ah thanks for the link Paul - yep it looks like the road layout is going to change quite a bit.

    Cheers,

    Boppy.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on August 21, 2012, 11:54:08 pm
    The signs that warned of the roadworks said delays for the next nine months and, looking at the plans, I can see why!

    Vastern road is now down to one lane in each direction and there are lane restrictions under the "east" bridge. It looks as though Reading road users are certainly going to suffer for the cause. Some of those road users are, of course, rail users on their way to and from the multi storey car park.

    It will be interesting to see how successful the new North side facilities are in attracting custom away from the South side. Its obvious that RBC are keen to see it succeed, and I hope it works.

    The new station will probably cost a great deal more to operate - more platforms, two major entrances, each with their own gateline and ticket office, I presume. And I do feel for the local station management - after years of coping with inadequate facilities, run down infrastructure and operational restrictions, come the new franchise, the new station will be managed by Network Rail. "Thanks a bunch!"

    That will also mean more staff - two sets of management - NR and the principle TOC will both have a station manager and duty managers, if it is anything like Paddington. Unless of course a deep alliance is put in place?

    Discuss.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 22, 2012, 08:43:38 am
    Transfer deck final movement took place either side of midnight last night, all done by about 0100 (from the web cams).

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 22, 2012, 10:15:10 am
    Obviously a lot's being going on, I'lll be at Reading station on Friday so must have a good look round.

    Where will the taxi rank be?  Will there be taxi ranks on both north and south side? The "new Northern and Southwest Interchanges" plan that Paul linked to doesn't appear to show any taxi ranks.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: animationmilo on August 22, 2012, 10:30:44 am
    Is there any full block of the line like back in Christmas December 2010 again?

    Max


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on August 22, 2012, 10:38:43 am
    Yes, there is.  Next Easter and, I think, again in 2015.

    Easter 2013's alterations are summarised earlier in the thread:

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.630 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.630)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 22, 2012, 12:04:15 pm
    Obviously a lot's being going on, I'lll be at Reading station on Friday so must have a good look round.

    Where will the taxi rank be?  Will there be taxi ranks on both north and south side? The "new Northern and Southwest Interchanges" plan that Paul linked to doesn't appear to show any taxi ranks.

    If you view the plan at 100% various taxi rank, bus stop and 'drop off' road markings are shown both north and south - I thought it was reasonably self explanatory?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 22, 2012, 02:12:41 pm
    Paul, thanks, I thought I'd carefully checked the (very informative) Drawing you lniked to, but now I've opened it at 125% I can see the taxi ranks.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 24, 2012, 04:18:36 pm
    Had a good look round to-day.  Platform 6 was in regular use - I saw 2 trains arrive & depart.  I walked under Vastern Road bridge and the lane restrictions referred to by others are almost all cleared.  Lots of activity on the new retaining wall and (very attractive) facing bricks on the north side against the access road for the multi-story car park.  Platforms 12/13 is progressing on the London side of the existing footbridge.  Trackwork is in place on the west side of the station for P's 12/13 and 14/15. A large crane was lifting metalwork for the new footbridge.

    From a contractor's point of view it must be a nice site to work on.  Plenty of space so many activities can happen in parallel, unlike, for example some of the sites along Oxford Street in London.

    And of course the station was heaving with Rock Festival people.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on August 25, 2012, 06:33:12 pm
    I see from the cameras that the bridge was sat on its bearings last night.  If you look at Camera 2 option 1, zoom in on the end of the bridge and do a comparison with 24 hours previously it has quite clearly dropped down.

    They should now be able to finish the remaining gap, but also start fitting out the completed part (e.g. concrete on the floor, glazing the sides etc.)



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 29, 2012, 05:45:51 pm
    I wonder how they'll deal with the Padd-Rdg terminators after reconstruction when the east-facing bays are gone.  Up to now they've needed both 16 and 11 (though I think it's now closed or about to be)because of the long layover pattern - surely they wouldn't wish to tie up 2 of the new through platforms for 30 minutes in every hour in the future.

    Maybe they'll arrive in 12 or 13, drop off passengers, then go off (in the same direction) to the depot sidings, then come back into 14 or 15 for the trip back to Padd.   

    And maybe if/when Crossrail gets to Rdg they'll operate in the same way.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Louis94 on August 29, 2012, 06:27:29 pm
    I wonder how they'll deal with the Padd-Rdg terminators after reconstruction when the east-facing bays are gone.  Up to now they've needed both 16 and 11 (though I think it's now closed or about to be)because of the long layover pattern - surely they wouldn't wish to tie up 2 of the new through platforms for 30 minutes in every hour in the future.

    Well I'd hope they'd extend them to Didcot or somewhere! Give somewhere an improved service, hopefully they'll gain enough stock to allow that.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 29, 2012, 07:53:28 pm
    I wonder how they'll deal with the Padd-Rdg terminators after reconstruction when the east-facing bays are gone.  Up to now they've needed both 16 and 11 (though I think it's now closed or about to be)because of the long layover pattern - surely they wouldn't wish to tie up 2 of the new through platforms for 30 minutes in every hour in the future.

    Maybe they'll arrive in 12 or 13, drop off passengers, then go off (in the same direction) to the depot sidings, then come back into 14 or 15 for the trip back to Padd.   

    And maybe if/when Crossrail gets to Rdg they'll operate in the same way.

    They could sit in the platform - all four relief platforms will be bi-directional, and signalled to allow permissive working.  So there's no fundamental reason why a terminator couldn't layover at one end of say P13 or P14, with a reversing XC service using the other end of the platform.  (At least until there's any serious train lengthening beyond the current lengths.)  I'm also assuming that if the same number of services as now are terminating initially, then the optimum use of the relief side is for P12 to be the down through, and P15 to be the normal up through - which is a bit like the way the Southampton layout works if you know it at all, albeit there's only four platforms there in total.

    This is why I've always been a bit suspicious of claims of massive increases in capacity across the board - clearly having 5 platforms for the main line side is much better, but if the relief side is seen as a straight replacement for the current P9, P10, P11 and P16, (and the closed west end bay previously P7) then it isn't vastly different.  The idea of trains running through the station to a siding could work as well though - as long as it doesn't introduce any other conflicts. The optimum would have been a reversing siding between the up and down lines - the sort of thing the underground tends to have.

    My research in the 'Engineering Access statement a few months ago had P11 remaining open until well after the 4 new platforms open, about August next year, so its eventual closure for conversion into a through platform (which will be on the up main line) shouldn't be an issue.  I believe P16 will last some while yet too.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 30, 2012, 03:11:27 pm
    Paul, I agree with you regarding claimed capaciity increase on the reliefs, and your comparsion with Southampton.  Difference is though at Southampton there are plenty of terminators from both directions, so the centre platform capacity is well used.  At Reading FGW terminators come from Padd only, and the detailed colour coded track layout seems to show XC's using P's 3 and 7.  So relief line capacity is not efficiently used if Padd-Rdg terminators are sitting in a through platform on their own for 30 minutes.

    And don't forget that some freights used to go round the back of P10, so you could argue that the relief side has been reduced from 5 to 4 lines towards Padd. 

    I think perhaps that Padd-Rdg terminators will arrive in P13, then go to sidings before leaving from 14 or 15.

     


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lordgoata on August 30, 2012, 03:48:08 pm
    Time to introduce some Ban/Oxford to Reading shuttles, then they can sit the next to the Padd-Reading terminators and not waste the blocked platform ;)

    <rant>That way, next time there is a problem and we get dumped at Reading by the Oxford/Banbury stopper so that it can run empty non-stop to Oxford/Banbury to make up that oh-so precious time, us dumpees might be able to get home this side of Christmas.</rant>

    On a serious note, is there any reason such a service doesn't already exist (between Reading and Oxford/Banbury) ? I have always found it curious there is a service between Paddington and Reading, but not the other side, as it were.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: grahame on August 30, 2012, 04:15:21 pm
    At Reading FGW terminators come from Padd only ...

    and from Newbury, and from Basingstoke, and from Gatwick, and from Redhill and from Shalford ...

    Granted, they come in at the sides of the fan at the moment, by with some flyovers they may come right into the middle


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Louis94 on August 30, 2012, 04:49:53 pm
    At Reading FGW terminators come from Padd only ...

    and from Newbury, and from Basingstoke, and from Gatwick, and from Redhill and from Shalford ...

    Granted, they come in at the sides of the fan at the moment, by with some flyovers they may come right into the middle

    Wasn't there talk that services from Gatwick and Redhill will use the relief line platforms using the underpass? Could these not interlink with the Reading to London services to reduce the length of time that the platform is blocked? I can see going to/from the depot frequently causing a pathing headache.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on August 30, 2012, 05:47:57 pm
    Before Reading rebuild started I recall Mark telling CLPG that there could be an Oxford direct to Gatwick service using the Reading underpass when reopened.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on August 30, 2012, 09:10:18 pm
    On a serious note, is there any reason such a service doesn't already exist (between Reading and Oxford/Banbury) ? I have always found it curious there is a service between Paddington and Reading, but not the other side, as it were.
    Just demand I presume. London-Reading there is a demand for 4tph but Reading-Oxford there is only the demand for 2 tph, so two London-Reading stoppers continue to Oxford, two turn around at Reading. If more Reading-Oxford services were introduced the logical thing would simply to extend the 2tph that currently terminate at Reading, so 4 stopping tph London-Oxford.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 31, 2012, 11:15:35 am
    ...and the detailed colour coded track layout seems to show XC's using P's 3 and 7. 

    I was at one of the public information sessions and the chap advised that the colour coding shouldn't be interpreted that way.  What it was meant to show was the majority service on that route, but not the only route a particular flow will use.  That diagram you refer to shows P7 in purple - which means 'Newburys' in the key, but obviously the light blue line towards it, and towards P8, also means XC can use it.  Then P3 is also marked in light blue suggesting use only by XC - which matches today's usage. 

    However if you look in particular at the XC services that terminate at Reading, they always used to layover in the old P7 west end bay, because that was the best place to be for arrival and departure using the relief side.  It is those terminating trains that will probably use a relief side platform, and the 'light blue' routes will be for the Bournemouth and Southampton services, which pass through...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on August 31, 2012, 07:06:35 pm
    Perhaps the XC's terminating at Rdg used the old P7 because it was there and available, and thus it made sense for them to run RL to/from Didcot.  Maybe the new layout will provide an opportunity to run them ML and thus they would naturally stable in P3 or (the new) P7. 

    Presumably the new track layout was designed with an operating plan in mind - it would be ineteresting to see it.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Louis94 on August 31, 2012, 07:28:13 pm
    Perhaps the XC's terminating at Rdg used the old P7 because it was there and available, and thus it made sense for them to run RL to/from Didcot.  Maybe the new layout will provide an opportunity to run them ML and thus they would naturally stable in P3 or (the new) P7. 

    Presumably the new track layout was designed with an operating plan in mind - it would be ineteresting to see it.

    I understand the new layout will have a fly under for XC services to get to the RL lines from P3 and P7, it makes sense for them to use the RLs to reduce conflicts at Didcot East Junction. Not to sure P7 would be used to terminate XC services I can see them being kept as now using P3, given P7 will be used by all services bound for the Reading West direction coming from the East.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on August 31, 2012, 08:28:53 pm
    It's all a bit 'chicken and egg' anyway.  Clearly there are aspects of the existing timetable that were designed around the pre-rebuild layout. 

    So there's a risk of it being a waste of time us repeatedly trying to fit the existing timetable onto the new station layout, it may well be that the eventual timetable changes in all sorts of subtle ways (as 'Gordon' hints at above) - starting with the May 2013 version...

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on August 31, 2012, 09:04:41 pm
    Perhaps the XC's terminating at Rdg used the old P7 because it was there and available, and thus it made sense for them to run RL to/from Didcot.  Maybe the new layout will provide an opportunity to run them ML and thus they would naturally stable in P3 or (the new) P7. 

    Presumably the new track layout was designed with an operating plan in mind - it would be ineteresting to see it.

    I understand the new layout will have a fly under for XC services to get to the RL lines from P3 and P7, it makes sense for them to use the RLs to reduce conflicts at Didcot East Junction. Not to sure P7 would be used to terminate XC services I can see them being kept as now using P3, given P7 will be used by all services bound for the Reading West direction coming from the East. 

    The connecting line will be known as the 'Reading Festival Line' ;D

    It will allow connection from the West End Relief lines to Platforms 3,7 and 8 by diving under the Up and Down Main lines near the present Reading West Junction and also from the West End Main Lines by means of a flat junction. The new Reading West curve will also connect to the West End Relief lines by means of the same dive-under (which will thus carry three tracks).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 01, 2012, 09:16:25 am
    Perhaps the XC's terminating at Rdg used the old P7 because it was there and available, and thus it made sense for them to run RL to/from Didcot.  Maybe the new layout will provide an opportunity to run them ML and thus they would naturally stable in P3 or (the new) P7. 

    Presumably the new track layout was designed with an operating plan in mind - it would be ineteresting to see it.

    I understand the new layout will have a fly under for XC services to get to the RL lines from P3 and P7, it makes sense for them to use the RLs to reduce conflicts at Didcot East Junction. Not to sure P7 would be used to terminate XC services I can see them being kept as now using P3, given P7 will be used by all services bound for the Reading West direction coming from the East.
    I take your point re terminators not using P7 - more logical that terminators use P3 and through XC's (in both directions) using P7. 

    The point about XC's using RLs to avoid conflicts at Didcot East could equally be applied to fast Padd-Oxfords/Costwold line.  It is not a good use of the RL line capacity to have the XC's using them, as their journey time Rdg - Didcot East is so much less than the stoppers.  For example, the xx41 XC from Rdg-Birm etc is right behind the previous xx23 Rdg-Oxford stopper by Didcot East, which severely limits the pathing opportunities for northbound Freighliners etc (ie none can set off from Rdg between the xx23 and xx41).  To maximise total line capacity (ML and RL) between Rdg and Didcot it's far better to put the the fast trains on ML and slow trains on RL.  If you can visualise the old train planning graphs, lots of parallel lines is good, unparallel lines are bad, if you're trying to maximise line capacity.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Louis94 on September 01, 2012, 10:04:13 am
    The point about XC's using RLs to avoid conflicts at Didcot East could equally be applied to fast Padd-Oxfords/Costwold line.  It is not a good use of the RL line capacity to have the XC's using them, as their journey time Rdg - Didcot East is so much less than the stoppers.  For example, the xx41 XC from Rdg-Birm etc is right behind the previous xx23 Rdg-Oxford stopper by Didcot East, which severely limits the pathing opportunities for northbound Freighliners etc (ie none can set off from Rdg between the xx23 and xx41).  To maximise total line capacity (ML and RL) between Rdg and Didcot it's far better to put the the fast trains on ML and slow trains on RL.  If you can visualise the old train planning graphs, lots of parallel lines is good, unparallel lines are bad, if you're trying to maximise line capacity.

    Those services do come from London though, so it makes sense to keep them on the fast lines, especially as they already fit into the First Great Western timetable on the MLs.

    Its worth noting that near enough all of XC services on a weekday depart at the same time as a service to Swansea/Cardiff, which use the MLs at xx11 and xx41, so when these operate XC have no choice but to use the SLs. On a saturday when the xx41 is not every hour, but every 2 hours to Cheltenham, XC do sometimes use the MLs to Didcot East.

    With the increase in services after the introduction of new trains on the MLs to/from Swindon at Didcot East, I can see that XC services being kept on the SLs throughout the week to keep conflict to a minimum at Didcot East, I'd imagine FGW will have priority at using the capacity for crossing over to go to Oxford there given they are the main service operator and services will generally already have a path on the FLs all the way from/to London.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 02, 2012, 04:21:01 pm
    Worth mentioning that the HLOS stated an upgrade of the relief line speed from 100mph to 125mph between Reading and Didcot, so the disparity of running times between stoppers/freight and expresses will become even bigger.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 02, 2012, 06:58:38 pm

    Its worth noting that near enough all of XC services on a weekday depart at the same time as a service to Swansea/Cardiff, which use the MLs at xx11 and xx41, so when these operate XC have no choice but to use the SLs. On a saturday when the xx41 is not every hour, but every 2 hours to Cheltenham, XC do sometimes use the MLs to Didcot East.

    With the increase in services after the introduction of new trains on the MLs to/from Swindon at Didcot East, I can see that XC services being kept on the SLs throughout the week to keep conflict to a minimum at Didcot East, I'd imagine FGW will have priority at using the capacity for crossing over to go to Oxford there given they are the main service operator and services will generally already have a path on the FLs all the way from/to London.

    Louis, the strategic decision as to whether to run the XC's on ML or RL between Reading and Didcot will be taken in the context of all the demands for paths, including the increasing freight flows from/to Southampton etc. which will need capacity on the RL's. The timings will follow that decison, not vice versa.

    And I don't know on what basis you assert that FGW get prioriity at Didcot East as they are the "main service operator".  Network Rail does not operate the network that way: if it did, XC would get a pretty raw deal as their trains trundle around the country.





    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 02, 2012, 08:59:33 pm
    Worth mentioning that the HLOS stated an upgrade of the relief line speed from 100mph to 125mph between Reading and Didcot, so the disparity of running times between stoppers/freight and expresses will become even bigger.

    Makes you wonder why they are upgrading RL's to 125 mph.  With Oxford stoppers currently at 2 per hour (and possibly increasing), and all the freights mainly at 75 mph, a 125mph path will really kill RL capacity.   Even with electrification Oxford stoppers will still need maybe 23 minutes from Reading to Didcot East.  Reading West J to Didoct East J is about 16 miles: with the new layout (75 mph) freights may do it in say 15 minutes.  At 125 mph you're looking at 7-8 minutes.  So every 125 mph path will take (at the very least) 2 freight paths and 3-4 stopper paths.

    So I can't believe they'll ever time (on a regular basis) a 125 mph path on the RLs.

    .... (as an afterthought) if the stoppers increased to 3 per hour ie every 20 minutes, you couldn't get a robust 125 mph path in between them unless you relied on very tight margins at one or both ends.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on September 16, 2012, 01:23:14 pm
    There seems to be a large carne in use demolishing the covering for the steps down onto platform 10.  Are they replacing these with temporary steps so that they can finish the new platform 11? Or are they going to use the existing temporary steps on the other side?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on September 17, 2012, 12:10:30 pm
    There seems to be a large carne in use demolishing the covering for the steps down onto platform 10

    As of this morning the covering had been replaced by the same temporary corrugated metal in use elsewhere in the station.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 18, 2012, 01:13:45 pm
    Here's some more details of what to expect from the track layout after the Easter 2013 blockade.

    Five maps, showing the new layout running from west to east, complete with signal locations and routings

    The first one shows the layout at the Tilehurst end, and shows the temporary Whitehouse Junction which is where the current formation is slewed northwards, so that the main lines run roughly where the relief lines currently lie and the relief lines roughly where the old goods lines used to lie.  This will enable work to begin on the west end viaduct and other grade separation works.

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8304/7999400283_7a7b574acb_b.jpg)





    The second one shows where the middle entrance to the new traincare depot will be located.

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8038/7999401274_cfafb62a41_b.jpg)





    The third one is where things start to get interesting.  The new west end of the station with new crossovers and the new platforms 12/13/14 and 15.  Several things to note here:

    1) Platforms 1 and 2 remain unchanged.
    2) Platform 3 closes (temporarily?). 
    3) Platform 7 will take up its new role as the usual platform for services from London heading down the Berks & Hants to Bedwyn and the West Country (though platforms 8/9/10 could also see trains heading in that direction).
    4) Platform 8 changes from the current up main platform to the down main loop platform usually handling express trains heading for the west, and acting as a reserve platform, as well as quite possibly for some of the reversing XC services from/to the South Coast.
    5) Platform 9 becomes the down main platform which will be used for the majority of express services heading towards the Didcot direction.
    6) Platform 10 becomes the up main platform, with the trains that currently use platform 8.
    7) Platform 11 will close as a bay platform and then be reconstructed as a through platform after Easter 2013.  When it reopens it will become the up main loop platform.  Until that time, I should imagine that platform 9 will act as the 'reserve' up main platform, with the new relief platforms also used, but this is the only real temporary weakness in the new layout that I can see.
    8 ) Platform 12 opens and becomes the down relief platform
    9) Platform 13 opens and becomes the down relief loop platform.
    10) Platform 14 opens and becomes the up relief loop platform.
    11) Platform 15 opens and becomes the new up relief platform.
    12) I should imagine that platforms 12 and 15 will handle most of the through relief line services, with platforms 13 and 14 dealing with the London to Reading terminators and reversing XC services.
    13) This map also shows the new east end connection to the new depot.
    14) All through platforms are bi-directionally signalled, and you can deduct from the junction indicators that there is a lot of flexibility built into the system, with more to follow when platforms 3 and 11 reopen.

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8300/7999400082_0bda0c45c6_b.jpg)





    Map 4 shows the east end of the station.  Again much to note:

    1) The underpass to the southern lines opens and is known (provisionally) as the 'up and down low level' line.  Trains can be routed from/to platforms 13/14 or 15 from this line.  Trains from/to the southern lines can also be routed from/to platforms 7/8 and 9 (and platform 10 at a later date) by using the current spur line as now, as well of course using the dedicated platforms 4/5 or 6.
    2) Trains from the down main and down relief can access any of the through platforms either by using the crossovers at Kennet Bridge Junction (where work to reconfigure has just started), or from signals located on 'Gantry 1' at the east end of the station.
    3) Future track, crossings and signal routings can be seen, including a less conflicting routing from platform 9 (in the up direction) to the up main.

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8443/7999398770_a92eaa5833_b.jpg)





    The final map doesn't show much to be honest, though the junction indicators on the signals in the down direction show how all platforms can be accessed.

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8447/7999397514_7d03c7140d_b.jpg)


    All in all this just confirms what we'd been told would happen, but it demonstrates just how it will happen.  The amount of work that has gone in to produce such a flexible layout is commendable, not to mention the fact that it is and will be constructed whilst this station remains fully open.  So far, so good!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on September 18, 2012, 01:23:34 pm
    It certainly looks very flexible and gets rid of the problem caused when a train is delayed or fails while standing at Platform 7 and the following train is being held at the signal just outside the station with nowhere to go.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 18, 2012, 01:38:45 pm
    Yes, initially access will be available from the final signal on the down main to platforms 8 and 9, and eventually platform 10 as well.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on September 18, 2012, 03:20:15 pm
    Thanks II - very interesting indeed. Two comments:

    I can't see any access from the relief platforms to the Westbury lines, so can't see how reversing XCs can use the reliefs. That would mean approaching on the up main and probably using platform 8. Services could cross to the relief lines at either Reading West or Didcot East junctions.

    Whilst services on the down main benefit from the extra platforms, its not so good on the up main. At present, up services regularly use 8, 9 and 10. I can't see 8 and 9 in the new layout being used much for up services - they would have to traverse a long section of the down main before reaching the crossovers at Kennet bridge, which would seriously impact on down services. So I reckon most will use platform 10, including up Westburys, for the same reason. This would suggest that Up main trains from Didcot will regularly be switched to the up relief at Tilehurst East junction, as this is the only way of accessing the relief platforms.

    Still good stuff though!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 18, 2012, 03:46:32 pm
    Thanks II - very interesting indeed. Two comments:

    I can't see any access from the relief platforms to the Westbury lines, so can't see how reversing XCs can use the reliefs. That would mean approaching on the up main and probably using platform 8. Services could cross to the relief lines at either Reading West or Didcot East junctions.

    Whilst services on the down main benefit from the extra platforms, its not so good on the up main. At present, up services regularly use 8, 9 and 10. I can't see 8 and 9 in the new layout being used much for up services - they would have to traverse a long section of the down main before reaching the crossovers at Kennet bridge, which would seriously impact on down services. So I reckon most will use platform 10, including up Westburys, for the same reason. This would suggest that Up main trains from Didcot will regularly be switched to the up relief at Tilehurst East junction, as this is the only way of accessing the relief platforms.

    Yes, that's a very good point (or lack of points!) regarding the relief platforms being used for XC services.  There will presumably be that option after the final alterations have taken place, but until then it looks like XC's are most likely to use platform 8 - which in itself will block the up Westbury line, so that's another (temporary) restriction.

    And, yes, I can see the new relief line platforms also being used for some of the up main line services, much in the way that platforms 9 and 10 are currently used for the same purpose when 8 is occupied.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on September 18, 2012, 04:31:43 pm
    Presumably up Westbury-London fast trains aren't actually going to use platform 8 much for now. Doing so would require them to go up the down main past the signal gantry, preventing any fast down services accessing platforms 7, 8 or 9.  For now I'd imagine where possible they'll cross to the up main at the west end of the station, using platform 10. That would leave platform 8 pretty much free for XC, down London-Westbury fast services can use 7 and down London-Didcot fast services can use 9.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on September 18, 2012, 05:15:48 pm
    Not forgetting the Westbury - London stone trains and empty returns, of course. Routing options for these are much more restricted - they will have to use the main lines between Westbury Line Junction and Kennet Bridge. A wise old signaller in Reading panel once told me that they would always try to give the heavily loaded up trains a clear run through the area, even if it meant delaying Class 1s, because the time penalty for stopping and restarting was so huge - it would inevitably cause even greater delays.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on September 18, 2012, 05:42:16 pm
    Wasn't it also a case that the length of them meant if they were stopped at one particular signal they brought the whole station area to a stand.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: old original on September 18, 2012, 05:52:05 pm
    for info.. apparently the next big engineering works which will severely affect train services at Reading are next Easter -  Maunday Thursday to the following Tuesday.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 18, 2012, 07:07:21 pm
    II, thank you for posting these plans. Very interesting and a lot to absorb.

    The Goods lines between Tilehurst East Junction and Reading West Junction are shown as being taken out as from Easter 2013, which is not good for us who use Oxford stoppers. Once an up Freightliner etc leaves Didcot East, it's got nowhere to be looped until after Reading West Junction, so if it has to wait for a path across the ML's at Reading West Junction it'll be sitting on the URL with my Turbo behind it.

    Is Reading West Curve long enough to hold the longest Freights clear of Reading West J and Oxford Road J?  If not, regulation gets even more challenging.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: coachflyer on September 18, 2012, 08:00:33 pm
    Just noticed that the Kennet Bridge loop will be made reversible.

    Could be where xc services with a layover are sent to free up space in the station??


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 19, 2012, 11:59:24 am
    for info.. apparently the next big engineering works which will severely affect train services at Reading are next Easter -  Maunday Thursday to the following Tuesday.

    Was posted earlier, (in #641) on page 43 of this thread:

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.630

    Paul



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 19, 2012, 12:46:17 pm
    ... but until then it looks like XC's are most likely to use platform 8 - which in itself will block the up Westbury line, so that's another (temporary) restriction.

    The 2013 Engineering Access Statement (formerly RotR) shows a couple of months late next year (Sept to November) with P7 closed (that'll be for building it out towards P8 as there'll be only the two tracks there eventually); this seems to further reduce the platforming options for XC through services to/from the south coast. I suppose though that having P9 as the only down main available towards both Didcot and Newbury (ie while P8 is blocked by a reversing 'through' XC service) is effectively no worse than the current situation where P7 is effectively the only down main platform?

    AFAICS in the current timetable there are Southampton to Newcastle departures and Manchester to Bournemouth arrivals moving in the station area simultaneously - maybe their timetables will need tweaking a bit to separate them? 

    The P7 closure is immediately followed by P8 being reduced to a 5 car length temporarily, I'd assume this is while the P8 platform edging is upgraded?

    Paul   


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 19, 2012, 01:21:32 pm
    The 2013 Engineering Access Statement (formerly RotR) shows a couple of months late next year (Sept to November) with P7 closed (that'll be for building it out towards P8 as there'll be only the two tracks there eventually); this seems to further reduce the platforming options for XC through services to/from the south coast. I suppose though that having P9 as the only down main available towards both Didcot and Newbury (ie while P8 is blocked by a reversing 'through' XC service) is effectively no worse than the current situation where P7 is effectively the only down main platform?

    Could the temporary closure of P7 coincide with the re-opening of P11?  That could then be used for XC services (as well as other trains as the situation demands), and would give four platforms to cope with HSS/B&H and reversing XC services.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 19, 2012, 02:25:56 pm
    The 2013 Engineering Access Statement (formerly RotR) shows a couple of months late next year (Sept to November) with P7 closed (that'll be for building it out towards P8 as there'll be only the two tracks there eventually); this seems to further reduce the platforming options for XC through services to/from the south coast. I suppose though that having P9 as the only down main available towards both Didcot and Newbury (ie while P8 is blocked by a reversing 'through' XC service) is effectively no worse than the current situation where P7 is effectively the only down main platform?

    Could the temporary closure of P7 coincide with the re-opening of P11?  That could then be used for XC services (as well as other trains as the situation demands), and would give four platforms to cope with HSS/B&H and reversing XC services.

    Ah yes, the 2013 EAS does have P11 back into use by the end of August (26th) so that would provide a further solution but I've just noticed that P10 closes immediately after P11 re-opens, so that won't help after all... 

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 19, 2012, 02:44:35 pm
    Darn!  Don't suppose you could provide a link to the 2013 EAS?  I can only find the 2012 one the NR website.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 19, 2012, 02:56:53 pm
    Darn!  Don't suppose you could provide a link to the 2013 EAS?  I can only find the 2012 one the NR website.

    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/Rules%20Of%20The%20Route/EASyearYY/70wrYY.pdf


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on September 20, 2012, 09:15:22 am
    Anyone know any more about what is happening with Platform 6? It continues to languish largely unused, except for a few peak services, but I've not seen any work taking place on or near it for some time.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on September 20, 2012, 10:05:47 am
    Anyone know any more about what is happening with Platform 6? It continues to languish largely unused, except for a few peak services, but I've not seen any work taking place on or near it for some time.

    Certainly my experience regarding P6 (as a daily user) is it is rarely used not because it is undergoing work but because (in my mind) if P4 is in use then the logical place to park a second diagram is P5 and vice verca. I am guessing it is "simpler" in terms of routing to place an incoming service on p5 if p4 is busy but I don't have enough knowledge to understand if the incoming train routing to these platforms (at a local level) is manual or automatic.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on September 20, 2012, 10:43:04 am
    Maybe, though from previous discussions on this P4 and P5 share an approach track (just like the old 4a/4b used to), whereas a train could depart from P6 at the same time as one arrives at either of P4 or P5. I'm not sure what the benefit has been of the extra platform- other than a longer walk to P4 and more missed connections!

    Also, P4 gets rather crowded, which is more of a problem for North Downs trains, which arrive and then leave very quickly, so passengers wanting to board conflict with passengers alighting, than for Waterloo trains which lay over for half an hour so passenger flows are one way.  One approach would be to put Waterloo trains on P4 and P6, with North Downs on P5, benefiting from the greater space available on P5/P6.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on September 20, 2012, 11:39:58 am
    Darn!  Don't suppose you could provide a link to the 2013 EAS?  I can only find the 2012 one the NR website.

    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/Rules%20Of%20The%20Route/EASyearYY/70wrYY.pdf

    Thanks, Paul.

    Maybe, though from previous discussions on this P4 and P5 share an approach track (just like the old 4a/4b used to), whereas a train could depart from P6 at the same time as one arrives at either of P4 or P5. I'm not sure what the benefit has been of the extra platform- other than a longer walk to P4 and more missed connections!

    The benefit will be that future timetables will be able to make use of the flexibility of the three platforms (the current timetable is configured around two platforms, because that's all there there was when it was introduced in May), and there will also be room for more and longer trains in the future.  There is also more scope to limit the delay damage of a failed train.  Platform 6 is used several times a day, but Platforms 4 and 5 cope with most of the current trains with no risk to the PPM figures.   If you have any comments about passenger crowding on Platform 4, then suggest your alternative workings to FGW, though as a passenger I would be far more annoyed at the lack of any seating on the new southern platforms!

    It is good news that the rebuild is giving more capacity than is currently needed, so that in the future Reading is able to cope.  I expect you'll find that when all the other platforms open there will be long periods off-peak when there is no train using, say, Platform 14, but that is far better than having to knock the whole lot down and rebuild it again in 15 years.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on September 20, 2012, 12:25:07 pm
    Also, P4 gets rather crowded, which is more of a problem for North Downs trains, which arrive and then leave very quickly, so passengers wanting to board conflict with passengers alighting, than for Waterloo trains which lay over for half an hour so passenger flows are one way.  One approach would be to put Waterloo trains on P4 and P6, with North Downs on P5, benefiting from the greater space available on P5/P6.
    I totally agree.

    The situation on the platforms which serves the North Downs line is not helped by the fact that passengers waiting to board the services will not give passengers leaving the service much space. Although this is a problem on most platforms it is made worse on p4/5/6 by the number of passengers with suitcases.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: danners on September 20, 2012, 06:13:11 pm
    I drew those diagrams! :-D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 20, 2012, 06:57:16 pm
    Excellent work, danners - and a warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum!  :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on September 20, 2012, 10:20:42 pm
    Looking at timetables from December it appears that in the off-peak periods FGW services will use Platform 4, and SWT services 5 and 6.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on September 21, 2012, 05:30:07 pm
    Tonight (Friday) I notice some blue markings have appeared on the west end of p7 they say "prop base" - anyone know what is about to happen? And they going to be temporary or new roof supports? It's certainly alll happening !


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Super Guard on September 22, 2012, 03:42:46 pm
    A notice has gone up that says the stopping position for HSTs on Platform 8 will be bought further back due to the demolition of the roof canopy in due course.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on September 22, 2012, 08:27:00 pm
    I do not use Reading as part of my normal travels, this morning I was heading West from plat 7 (the old 4) it was very congested with many waiting for a West Country train and others making their way to Plat 3 (the old 3  ;D ) for a Bournmouth I would hate to use it in the week day peaks


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 24, 2012, 11:57:05 am
    Tonight (Friday) I notice some blue markings have appeared on the west end of p7 they say "prop base" - anyone know what is about to happen? And they going to be temporary or new roof supports? It's certainly alll happening !

    In terms of timing I'd expect the canopy between current P7 and P3 to be removed as advance work some time before next Easter, as that is when P3 goes out of use and work starts to rebuild it.  At that time you'd probably expect P3 to be behind hoardings of a similar style to those elsewhere on the station, in which case the vertical supports are secured by large concrete blocks behind the hoardings.  Perhaps 'prop base' defines where these blocks are positioned?

    Alternatively, when they were demolishing the canopies alongside the old P7 west end bay (ie between the current P8 and P9), which were of similar construction, they surrounded the uprights with additional scaffolding support. AFAICT this was probably to reinforce the uprights if the roof load became unbalanced during demolition, but don't quote me.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on September 24, 2012, 12:01:09 pm
    Many thanks Paul...your logic seems sound:)

    Those old platform numbers seem so long ago now!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on September 24, 2012, 01:10:34 pm
    Tonight (Friday) I notice some blue markings have appeared on the west end of p7 they say "prop base" - anyone know what is about to happen? And they going to be temporary or new roof supports? It's certainly alll happening !

    As of this morning there were a number of upright girders sunk into the platform 1/2 concourse with the usual plastic safety surround. So it looks like the canopy there is about to go.

    In other news, major steelwork has been going up on the western side of the new transfer deck on platforms 8/9 and 10/11, presumably for the escalator housing.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on September 24, 2012, 08:15:59 pm
    Are they looking to do the new canopy on 1/2 soon then?  If so is a closure likely or will they be doing it at night?



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 26, 2012, 10:46:15 am
    Are they looking to do the new canopy on 1/2 soon then?  If so is a closure likely or will they be doing it at night?


    Comparison with the other end, (the old P4A/4B Southern platforms) would suggest that the old canopy removal can be done overnight, with no train cancellations.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on September 26, 2012, 10:59:20 am
    A couple of interesting milestones gleaned yesterday by quizzing one of the project management, (who made the mistake of standing still on the footbridge).   ;D

    There is a mid-October deadline for the 'civils' contractors to be off the new P12/13 and P14/15 islands east of the transfer deck, as that is when the east end track layout starts being installed by the trackwork contractor (Carillion).

    In February the section of the existing footbridge north of the P10/11 island will be taken out of use and removed.  Access to the station from the car-park and the north of the station area will be via the new public subway, which will open then.  (BTW I don't think it's been mentioned yet that at some time over the last few weeks the support girders under that footbridge section have been modified as they were in the way of the P14/15 construction.)

    A second tower crane will be installed in due course west of the new transfer deck, that will reduce the need for mobile crane movements on the site because access space will reduce when the platform islands start being built west of the transfer deck. 

    Paul   


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on October 06, 2012, 08:09:10 pm
    Soem information from Costain

    http://www.costain.com/news/news-releases/2012/10/4/bridge-move-at-reading-station.aspx (http://www.costain.com/news/news-releases/2012/10/4/bridge-move-at-reading-station.aspx)

    Quote
    4 October 2012

    The final stage of work on a new transfer deck at Reading Station is now underway, after what is believed to have been Great Western rail region^s first jacking into position of such a structure over a live railway.

    The transfer deck, part of Network Rail^s ^80million upgrade of the busy Berkshire station, will replace the existing passenger bridge across the tracks, providing considerably enhanced capacity and escalators down to the platforms.

    The second section of the bridge was constructed beside the station then moved into position over five nights in the period between the Olympic and Paralympic Games. The first section was launched before the Olympics got underway.

    Leading the team of around 30 personnel behind the bridge slide was Site Agent, Dave Forbes, who revealed that it took two nights to slide the second bridge section 18 metres over the tracks^then a further three nights to lower it just 100mm into its final position.

    The 1100-tonne section was lowered 25mm at a time in a series of steps to ensure it fitted exactly onto its bearings.

    ^A lot of surveying was necessary, together with a lot of work to get the bearings into the right position and get the section exactly level,^ he said.

    ^There were no real problems during the slide. This was a Great Western ^first^ in that it was carried out  over an operational railway and wasn^t done in possession [when rail services are suspended]. This demonstrated both Network Rail and First Great Western^s confidence in the team after the earlier bridge slide,^ commented Dave.

    Stage three of the deck is now being built in situ, between the two sections. ^From a structural point of view, we^re working towards completion at the end of October,^ said Dave. ^For fit-out and completion, we^re looking at early February 2013, with the bridge commissioned and open to the public by late March.^



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 08, 2012, 09:54:54 am
    Web cam 01/1 showing some of the first visible platform edge copings and tactile strips to be installed, along the P13 face - note the blue temporary fencing, I assume because the earlier safety fence stanchions bolted to the blockwork will have been removed.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2012, 04:55:47 pm
    More and more overhead power cable supports are appearing in the new depot as well.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on October 08, 2012, 08:48:35 pm
    There appears to be work going on south of the main line to mark out, board-off and clear a strip of land from the current depot to the other side of Cow lane. I assume this to be preparatory work for the main flyover...?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2012, 11:02:09 pm
    There appears to be work going on south of the main line to mark out, board-off and clear a strip of land from the current depot to the other side of Cow lane. I assume this to be preparatory work for the main flyover...?

    Yup.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on October 09, 2012, 04:33:35 pm
    Also not on webcam - all of the canopies east of the existing footbridge have been removed.
    One was feeling a little exposed this morning on platform 8


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on October 09, 2012, 07:29:37 pm
    The tower crane on the south side has also gone today. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on October 10, 2012, 09:13:39 am
    Also not on webcam - all of the canopies east of the existing footbridge have been removed

    And there are signs at the end of platform 1/2 stating that the canopies there will be removed over the next month and refreshed over the next 12 months.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pfneeves on October 15, 2012, 08:07:19 am
    Getting of the train on Platform 2 this morning I noticed that lights have now been placed on the temporary scaffolding. So I am expecting that the canopy removal on Platforms 1 & 2 is going to happen very soon.

    Also the new signal gantry at the end of the new platforms on the London side of the existing passenger bridge does not look as though it is wide enough to cover what will become Platform 15. Is the gantry going to be extended at a later date or is the signal for this platform be somewhere else?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 15, 2012, 08:32:08 am
    This morning I also noticed that roofing had been added to the stairs/escalators ramps down onto p8 etc. didn't have time to see if they had been added to p10 and associated platforms


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 15, 2012, 09:34:46 am
    Also the new signal gantry at the end of the new platforms on the London side of the existing passenger bridge does not look as though it is wide enough to cover what will become Platform 15. Is the gantry going to be extended at a later date or is the signal for this platform be somewhere else?

    Welcome to the forum.  If you look at the maps on page 55 of this thread, it looks as if the platform starting signals for Platforms 14 and 15 are not going to be fitted to the gantry, along with a couple of others in that vicinity.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 15, 2012, 05:12:35 pm

    Welcome to the forum.  If you look at the maps on page 55 of this thread, it looks as if the platform starting signals for Platforms 14 and 15 are not going to be fitted to the gantry, along with a couple of others in that vicinity.

    Conventionally, the P15 up starting signal should be somewhere to the left of the tracks as seen by the driver, so 'over the wall' as it were.  That might be part of the reason why the gantry isn't being used, at least for P15.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on October 17, 2012, 09:24:20 am
    Looks like there is track being installed in the eastern fly-under. Only had a fleeting glimpse as I went by, will look more closely on my way back this evening.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on October 17, 2012, 09:27:40 am
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2012, 09:32:47 am
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?

    Well, once finished it will provide a second, less conflicting, route from the main Reading station to the Southern lines.  So in that respect I suppose it does.  Due to be commissioned next Easter along with the new platforms.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on October 17, 2012, 01:10:42 pm
    Looks like there is track being installed in the eastern fly-under. Only had a fleeting glimpse as I went by, will look more closely on my way back this evening.
    There is also a retaining structure being built on the ramp up on the north side, presumably as part of the transition from heavy plant access to track.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 17, 2012, 05:13:36 pm
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?

    Highly unlikely IMHO, especially now that the relevant section of the GW is being electrified, but the North Downs line isn't. 

    We've discussed this point before, so I'll keep it short, but I think the Oxford - Gatwick idea was never actually likely anyway, because there are basically no Oxford - Reading services suitable for through working with the Reading - Gatwicks.  I don't think anyone was ever going to accept a reduction in Oxford - Paddington services just to provide rolling stock or paths for such a new route.

    I suggest that the typical use of the diveunder will be at start and end of service to get the stock to/from the depot across the layout without conflicting with the main lines.  Oh, and maybe that daily XC Guildford train...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on October 17, 2012, 06:10:19 pm
    There was at least one Oxford to Gatwick service a few years back.  I think it left Oxford about 04:00 which probably filled two functions, getting stock onto the line and providing an early morning link to the airport.  However I think Paul7755 is right that in the current climate that is unlikely to return particularly as the first Gatwick service of the day is often started late and/or curtailed short because of engineering work.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2012, 06:55:42 pm
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?

    Highly unlikely IMHO, especially now that the relevant section of the GW is being electrified, but the North Downs line isn't. 

    We've discussed this point before, so I'll keep it short, but I think the Oxford - Gatwick idea was never actually likely anyway, because there are basically no Oxford - Reading services suitable for through working with the Reading - Gatwicks.  I don't think anyone was ever going to accept a reduction in Oxford - Paddington services just to provide rolling stock or paths for such a new route.

    I suggest that the typical use of the diveunder will be at start and end of service to get the stock to/from the depot across the layout without conflicting with the main lines.  Oh, and maybe that daily XC Guildford train...

    Paul

    Especially as the Depot will be on the North side.

    It would allow for the Gatwick services to use the relief platforms thereby making cross platform connections easier


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pfneeves on October 18, 2012, 10:06:16 am
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?


    From the vantage point that I have from looking out of my office window I can confirm that some track has been put down underneath the bridge.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 18, 2012, 10:21:51 am
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?


    From the vantage point that I have from looking out of my office window I can confirm that some track has been put down underneath the bridge.

    When I came into reading yesterday I thought the spur to the underpass had got longer - will try to have a look this pm


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on October 18, 2012, 07:56:52 pm
    "track being installed in the eastern fly-under" Does this bring the propect of direct trains from Oxfordshire to Gatwick any closer?


    From the vantage point that I have from looking out of my office window I can confirm that some track has been put down underneath the bridge.

    When I came into reading yesterday I thought the spur to the underpass had got longer - will try to have a look this pm

    Get his afternoon it looks like the spur track from the north downs line now extends the length of the underpass (but it is difficult to tell for sure)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2012, 09:48:08 pm
    There was at least one Oxford to Gatwick service a few years back.  I think it left Oxford about 04:00 which probably filled two functions, getting stock onto the line and providing an early morning link to the airport.

    It was at just gone 5am from Oxford with a return at roughly 10:30pm from Gatwick.  On Saturdays there were two trains with the 4am also going to Gatwick,instead of London, as it does (and did) in the week.

    Get his afternoon it looks like the spur track from the north downs line now extends the length of the underpass (but it is difficult to tell for sure)

    From what I can tell it goes to a point just under the bridge, with the ramp up to the station still being used for materials transfer.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on October 18, 2012, 10:22:30 pm
    There is a new edition of Reading Station News (No 4) on the Network Rail website http://www.networkrail.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=30064783758 (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=30064783758)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 19, 2012, 10:22:37 am
    From what I can tell it goes to a point just under the bridge, with the ramp up to the station still being used for materials transfer.

    AIUI from the conversation I mentioned earlier (in post #853 on page 57), the only deliveries from the east end now are all track related.  All station construction deliveries are now from the west end,  in fact I have an idea that there was a fairly large pile of ballast obstructing the route between Vastern Rd bridge and the rest of the worksite when I last looked?

    I see the new 'Reading News' mentioned above also confirms the date the old footbridge will start being demolished as the end of Feb.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on October 19, 2012, 10:24:40 am
    Yes, I could see a very large pile of ballast there yesterday evening.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 19, 2012, 11:12:27 am
    Just noticed on webcam 01/2 that a 'laser dozer' has appeared on the up relief trackbed alongside the new P15. 
    Update at 1300 geotextile fabric has been laid.
    Update at 1600 some ballast has also been put down.

    First signs I've seen of the track laying contractor in this area - although my aforementioned contact did say this would be happening about now.

    (Be good if they had a webcam looking towards London now, I reckon!)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Boppy on October 19, 2012, 12:20:58 pm
    I noticed the underpass track protruding out from the north side of the underpass on my way in this morning.

    Boppy.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lordgoata on October 19, 2012, 12:41:21 pm
    I haven't a clue which direction is North or South in relation to where the underpass is, but this morning just after 8am there was sections of track piled up at the entrance of the underpass on the Tesco side :D I couldn't see if it was actually laid in the underpass itself though.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on October 19, 2012, 01:35:42 pm
    I haven't a clue which direction is North or South in relation to where the underpass is, but this morning just after 8am there was sections of track piled up at the entrance of the underpass on the Tesco side :D I couldn't see if it was actually laid in the underpass itself though.

    Tesco side is the North side or in railway speak the up side


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lordgoata on October 22, 2012, 12:48:15 pm
    Ah ha :) Many thanks Electric train!

    I couldn't see what progress had been made this morning, will try and have a peek tonight though.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on October 23, 2012, 04:37:05 pm
    Noticed today that the first lengths of the new canopy are in place on Platforms 8/9, around the footbridge. Feels a little less exposed now, but the London end of the platform is certainly a bit bare now all the canopies have gone.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on October 23, 2012, 07:48:52 pm
    GetReading (http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2122708_neighbours_kept_awake_by_railway_works)
    Quote
    Neighbours kept awake by railway works

    Tenants in flats nearest to the site of all-night railway engineering works are furious they were not warned in advance.

    Neighbours in Luscinia View, Napier Road, Reading, say the constant blast of horns and steel-cutting through the night has made their lives a misery.

    Network Rail has apologised for failing to inform residents of the work, but warned there is more to come with late-night pile driving for the installation of overhead power lines.

    Eight tenants from the King^s Meadow flats made their views clear at a fractious meeting with Network Rail on Tuesday.

    They were furious about works which started overnight on Saturday, September 15, and continued until the early hours of Monday.

    The same pattern of works are due to continue every weekend until Christmas with unloading and compacting ballast, earthwork excavation, laying tracks, deliveries, plant movement and piling.

    One resident said: ^If you live next to it and your kids are crying because they can^t sleep, it^s very disturbing.

    ^When the siren goes off it^s a terrible noise like a fire alarm in the flats. I couldn^t work on Monday because of the noise overnight.^

    Another said: ^What we don^t get is that everybody else was notified of this work ^ the flats on the other side and in Kennet Walk ^ but we are closest to it and we didn^t get a letter through until September 29.^

    Ward councillor Tony Page, who attended the meeting, said: ^It^s most regrettable the original letter sent by Network Rail only went to a handful of people in the flats and it^s a cock-up that could have been avoided if Network Rail had contacted me before sending them.^

    Works on the tracks, as part of the ^850 million upgrade of the local rail network and Reading station, will take place until December 27 although Network Rail said there would be no noisy work carried out over Christmas.

    Eimear Fitzpatrick, Network Rail spokesman, said: ^Owing to a change in our programme, we were late informing the residents in Luscinia View of the work to upgrade the track, for which we apologise.^

    Network Rail has also promised to consult with residents over the timing of the piling works.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 24, 2012, 02:59:59 pm
    Back around pages 54/55 or so we were discussing how the XC services would be platformed in the future, and in the interim 2013 layout.

    Seems this has occured to FGW as well, and I found a whole load of queries and NR responses on the NR 'Network Change' web pages.  Anyway, this is the plan for XC services in the 2013 interim layout:

    Quote
    FGW:
    Paragraph 4: Platform 3 out: Need to know where Cross Country goes;

    NR:
    The proposals are, subject to specific timetable requirements, as follows;
    Manchester ^ Bournemouth reverse in platform 8.
    Newcastle ^ Southampton use platform 10 and then 11 when open.
    Southampton ^ Newcastle use platform 9.
    Terminating services from Newcastle will use platform 13 or 14.
     

    This latter point is what I suggested a while back - will be interesting to see if it does turn out to be the normal practice in the completed layout...

    The whole letter is here, it has answers to various other FGW questions that may be of interest to someone:

    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/network%20change/current%20proposals/reading%20redevelopment/nc%20g1%20rsar%20002/train%20operator%20replies/first%20great%20western/reply%20to%20fgw%20stage%20f%20ncn%2003102012.pdf (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/network%20change/current%20proposals/reading%20redevelopment/nc%20g1%20rsar%20002/train%20operator%20replies/first%20great%20western/reply%20to%20fgw%20stage%20f%20ncn%2003102012.pdf)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on October 24, 2012, 03:30:37 pm
    I notice in the letter linked above Signal prefixs are shown as simply T and not TR - is it the plan that all signals will be redesignated?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 24, 2012, 03:45:04 pm
    Going by those layout plans provided earlier (around page 55) it looks fairly systematic, in that TR seems to apply to all the re-controlled existing signals, and T to the brand new signals.  No doubt someone else can confirm what is planned, but it is quite possible that TR is an interim designation specifically to deal with the Christmas 2010 re-control.

    What might tend to confirm this theory is that the approaches to the three Southern platforms (which were resignalled already) also have 'T' designations...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on October 24, 2012, 06:30:30 pm
    Back around pages 54/55 or so we were discussing how the XC services would be platformed in the future, and in the interim 2013 layout.

    Seems this has occured to FGW as well, and I found a whole load of queries and NR responses on the NR 'Network Change' web pages.  Anyway, this is the plan for XC services in the 2013 interim layout:

    Quote
    FGW:
    Paragraph 4: Platform 3 out: Need to know where Cross Country goes;

    NR:
    The proposals are, subject to specific timetable requirements, as follows;
    Manchester ^ Bournemouth reverse in platform 8.
    Newcastle ^ Southampton use platform 10 and then 11 when open.
    Southampton ^ Newcastle use platform 9.
    Terminating services from Newcastle will use platform 13 or 14.
     

    This latter point is what I suggested a while back - will be interesting to see if it does turn out to be the normal practice in the completed layout...

    The whole letter is here, it has answers to various other FGW questions that may be of interest to someone:

    http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/network%20change/current%20proposals/reading%20redevelopment/nc%20g1%20rsar%20002/train%20operator%20replies/first%20great%20western/reply%20to%20fgw%20stage%20f%20ncn%2003102012.pdf (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/network%20code/network%20change/current%20proposals/reading%20redevelopment/nc%20g1%20rsar%20002/train%20operator%20replies/first%20great%20western/reply%20to%20fgw%20stage%20f%20ncn%2003102012.pdf)

    Paul

    Thanks Paul, very interesting, and I've read the letter too. I'm surprised there are so many issues from FGW re layout at this late stage in the Project.

    Incidentally, I hope they haven't forgotten to think about where Bournemouth- Manchester XC's go - though it could be their wording is a bit loose and they will be in P8 also.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on October 24, 2012, 07:25:17 pm
    Apologies if this has already been dealt with but it's a real shame they have got rid of the old bay platform 7.

    This was/should be perfect for the XC trains and surely there is enough room to have kept it?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 24, 2012, 07:41:39 pm
    It wouldn't be well positioned in the new layout even if physically possible, because the platforms either side (new P8 and new P9) will both be down main platforms. 

    But the real reason it has been lost,  is that it was in the way of the stairs and escalators on the rebuilt island.  Don't forget the whole centre of gravity of the station including platform facilities such as waiting rooms, shops etc, has moved well to the west, there just isn't room for bays as well, as the transfer deck is roughly above where the old P7 buffer stops were...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on October 24, 2012, 08:17:25 pm
    Thanks Paul.

    If new 7,8 and 9 are all down platforms doesn't that mean that the smaller platforms 10 and 11 will serve the up traffic to Paddington- seems a tad strange seeing as it's the busiest single route...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 24, 2012, 10:55:10 pm
    If new 7,8 and 9 are all down platforms doesn't that mean that the smaller platforms 10 and 11 will serve the up traffic to Paddington- seems a tad strange seeing as it's the busiest single route...

    There's far less waiting time for passengers travelling to London who rarely find themselves on the platform for more than 10 minutes.  Sometime grannies heading for the West Country are in position hours in advance, so extra circulating space might not be a bad idea!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Not from Brighton on October 24, 2012, 11:14:05 pm
    Despite not being a granny, I shall somehow miss loitering on (the old) platform 4 trying to guess which of my fellow loiterers were waiting for the same train as me.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on October 25, 2012, 09:09:52 am
    Just heard more blockades around Easter FGW running Swindon Banbury (reverse) Padd via Foxhall

    West of England Westbury Salisbury Waterloo via Mainline swing link problem with HST solved!

    Might get a Padd Swindon return I've never done Foxhall


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 25, 2012, 10:09:04 am
    Just heard more blockades around Easter FGW running Swindon Banbury (reverse) Padd via Foxhall

    West of England Westbury Salisbury Waterloo via Mainline swing link problem with HST solved!

    More details of which were given earlier in this thread:

    http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.630 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.630)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 25, 2012, 10:49:28 am
    West of England Westbury Salisbury Waterloo via Mainline swing link problem with HST solved!

    The 'swing link problem' is not solved, LSL bogies are still not allowed on the DC network.  The issue of running up the mainlines into Waterloo was a basic matter of gauging limitations through stations such as Wimbledon and Clapham Junction, and the suitability of the platforms on the main side at Waterloo.  Primarily, HST power cars were not allowed into any of the platforms on the main line side, so there was no point in sending the HSTs up that side of the route.  The crossovers in the Vauxhall area that allow moves from the up main into platforms 17-19 (the platforms used last time) cause too many conflicts with other services so are rarely used in the weekday timetable.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 25, 2012, 11:02:44 am
    Thanks Paul.

    If new 7,8 and 9 are all down platforms doesn't that mean that the smaller platforms 10 and 11 will serve the up traffic to Paddington- seems a tad strange seeing as it's the busiest single route...

    I think another way of looking at it is simply that the P8/P9 island is much wider than it needs to be.  Clearly there was no point in reducing its width if there was no essential requirement to, but that doesn't mean P10/P11 is necessarily too narrow.   The up main island is normally going to be dealing with a similar number of trains as the old P5 did on only one platform face, but now spread evenly over two faces, with access from the new footbridge (aka transfer deck) designed to fill the platform from both ends, rather than everyone standing around together.  Also, with trains towards London probably alternating from either side, there's much more space for people to wait in the middle of the platform, once away from the escalators, stairs and platform facilities.     

    I expect it will be fine.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on October 25, 2012, 08:04:09 pm
    Understand that Paul - just seems odd that the 3 main platforms will all deal with down traffic. Would have been better IMHO for 8/9 to be split.

    Won't there also be conflicts for the fast up trains getting back onto the fast up line or are they also remodelling all the lines east of the station?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on October 25, 2012, 09:29:47 pm
    Understand that Paul - just seems odd that the 3 main platforms will all deal with down traffic.
    When the station has been rebuilt Platforms 7/8/9 won't be the only main platforms any more. The main platform will probably be 8/9/10/11. 8 and 9 will handle the bulk of the fast services from London and 10 and 11 the bulk of the fast services to London, so they'll be the new main platforms.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 26, 2012, 11:48:25 am
    Understand that Paul - just seems odd that the 3 main platforms will all deal with down traffic. Would have been better IMHO for 8/9 to be split.

    Won't there also be conflicts for the fast up trains getting back onto the fast up line or are they also remodelling all the lines east of the station?

    As the last post has explained, there won't be just 3 main platforms.  The overall track layout changes mean that there will be 4 platforms on the mains, with P7 also a down platform but basically dedicated to down trains from Paddington heading towards Newbury/Westbury. 

    So by next April the down fast will run through P9 and the up fast through P10.  P8 will be a loop off the down fast, and P11 a loop off the up fast; and yes, the position of all the lines east of the station will have to be seriously altered, because the fast line alignment will need to be a smooth curve approaching the gap between P9 and P10.  I expect the track slew will have to start somewhere around Kennet Bridge, or further east, and of course the reliefs will also have to move right over to the north of the formation as well, because they have to line up with P12-P15.

    Probably a good idea to have a look at the drawings on page 55 of this thread if you haven't already, they basically cover most of the east end changes, but bear in mind the west end changes that take place in 2013-15 will be even more complex and are not yet shown.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ZoŽ on October 26, 2012, 03:52:01 pm
    The 'swing link problem' is not solved, LSL bogies are still not allowed on the DC network.  The issue of running up the mainlines into Waterloo was a basic matter of gauging limitations through stations such as Wimbledon and Clapham Junction, and the suitability of the platforms on the main side at Waterloo.  Primarily, HST power cars were not allowed into any of the platforms on the main line side, so there was no point in sending the HSTs up that side of the route.  The crossovers in the Vauxhall area that allow moves from the up main into platforms 17-19 (the platforms used last time) cause too many conflicts with other services so are rarely used in the weekday timetable.
    So has anything actually changed since 2010 or will the HSTs still be leaving the main line at Byfleet Junction?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 26, 2012, 04:38:53 pm
    The 'swing link problem' is not solved, LSL bogies are still not allowed on the DC network.  The issue of running up the mainlines into Waterloo was a basic matter of gauging limitations through stations such as Wimbledon and Clapham Junction, and the suitability of the platforms on the main side at Waterloo.  Primarily, HST power cars were not allowed into any of the platforms on the main line side, so there was no point in sending the HSTs up that side of the route.  The crossovers in the Vauxhall area that allow moves from the up main into platforms 17-19 (the platforms used last time) cause too many conflicts with other services so are rarely used in the weekday timetable.
    So has anything actually changed since 2010 or will the HSTs still be leaving the main line at Byfleet Junction?

    All we have to go on is what was said by Industry Insider in post #639.  What I was emphasising is that the previous (2010) routeing via Byfleet, Virginia Water and the Windsor lines was not due to the type of swing links on the bogies, the presence of long swing link (LSL) bogies still bars a Mk3 coach set from the entire DC electrified area.
     
    Once you have your HST set made up of short swing link (SSL) bogied vehicles, it can then go on the DC network - but it is still subject to normal gauging restrictions.  This is believed to be a power car specific problem,  caused by equipment such as the crew access ladders.  Many platforms in the area, especially at Waterloo's main line side, have vertical faces with much reduced clearance below the copings, hence the speed restrictions through certain stations last time.

    I've had a look on NR's public website and there is no mention there of any recent route clearance for HSTs on the direct route to Waterloo - which of course doesn't mean nothing has happened.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ZoŽ on October 26, 2012, 04:59:29 pm
    On the subject of Reading, is there any plan to grade separate Westbury Line Junction to allow trains from the Up Westbury to avoid conflicting with the Down Main?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 26, 2012, 05:15:19 pm
    On the subject of Reading, is there any plan to grade separate Westbury Line Junction to allow trains from the Up Westbury to avoid conflicting with the Down Main?

    Yes - it is shown on the attachment to my earlier post #216 way back when.  Trains from the B&H will be able to reach P10 or P11 via the new underpass (the leftmost line shown in purple).  The west end grade separation does a lot more than just the western curve freight route.
     
    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 29, 2012, 05:28:33 pm
    Tower crane being assembled west of the transfer deck this afternoon, difficult to see where exactly but it looks as though it is located on the site of the P12/P13 island?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pfneeves on October 30, 2012, 07:58:12 am
    IIRC the canopy for Platforms 1 & 2 was supposed to be removed by the end of October. As there does not seem to be any evidence of this work starting yet it does not look as though this is going to be completed by the end of the month which is of course is tomorrow. So does anyone know when this is actually going to start?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on October 30, 2012, 10:41:18 am
    IIRC the canopy for Platforms 1 & 2 was supposed to be removed by the end of October. As there does not seem to be any evidence of this work starting yet it does not look as though this is going to be completed by the end of the month which is of course is tomorrow. So does anyone know when this is actually going to start?

    Some associated work has started I think - all those additional bracing supports on the P3/P7 side put in recently are there so that the P1/P2 canopy can be removed without the other canopy collapsing - you'll notice they are joined over the P2/P3 tracks?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on October 31, 2012, 11:32:57 am
    Tower crane being assembled west of the transfer deck this afternoon, difficult to see where exactly but it looks as though it is located on the site of the P12/P13 island?

    I saw a bit of blurb about this crane.  You have the location correct and it will have the ability to reach all the way over to Platform 1 with an 80m jib.  It will be in situ until March 2013.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 02, 2012, 11:28:52 am
    Blanked off signals have now started to be attached to 'Gantry 1' - the furthest east of the new gantries.  Also, it's nice to see that some seating has now been provided on Platforms 4/5/6.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 02, 2012, 11:39:27 am
    Ballast is being levelled between new platforms 13 and 14 at the moment.

    They seem to be making reasonable progress with the block paving on the P12/13 island now.  Yesterday afternoon they spent a good few hours 'repositioning by a couple of inches' what they'd already laid in the middle section between the canopy and the escape stairs.  This can be seen on the relevant webcam over the afternoon period.

    Measure twice cut once is the old saying...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pbc2520 on November 02, 2012, 10:08:38 pm
    They seem to be making reasonable progress with the block paving on the P12/13 island now.  Yesterday afternoon they spent a good few hours 'repositioning by a couple of inches' what they'd already laid in the middle section between the canopy and the escape stairs.  This can be seen on the relevant webcam over the afternoon period.

    Measure twice cut once is the old saying...
    Whilst stuck at home with a cold, I noticed that little episode.  Glad to see there's some quality control.  Part of me wondered whether that was intentional - get the bricks down quickly to make sure they don't sink, then shuffle into position.

    Well, what an exciting day that was... :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 04, 2012, 01:39:16 pm
    Those of you who use platforms 1 and 2 may wish to take an umbrella in future.  Parts of the canopy roof are now missing!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 04, 2012, 02:29:47 pm
    I notice a lot of activity (even on Sundays) to finish the facade of the new South West entrance building.  Does this have to be handed over to another contractor soon to work on the road? Otherwise when the subway reopens people will need a ladder to get out!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: MVR S&T on November 04, 2012, 10:24:40 pm
    Hoping to see the changes at Reading on Saturday, but in the meantime, can someone post the links to the webcams please, done several seaches to no avail. Thanks.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: johoare on November 04, 2012, 10:25:49 pm
    Welcome to the forum Justdarkbeer... And.. hopefully someone will be able to easily post the links that you ask for :-)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 04, 2012, 10:35:08 pm
    The up to date cameras are:

    nrreading01
    nrreading02
    nrreading04

    Hope this helps

    I'm delighted to say I've got permission to share with you all the official time-lapse photographs of the remodelling which are absolutely fantastic.  Updated every 15 minutes throughout the working day you can view crystal clear sharp images from any date since the project began right up to the latest shot, or view all images in a time-lapse style which will no doubt feature on the NR website in time.

    There's a total of nine cameras based on three main worksites.  Go to www.lobstervision.tv and enter one of the following in the 'username' and 'password' box:

    For the new northern entrance and transfer deck:  nrreading01
    For the new western gateline by the Three Guineas: nrreading02
    For the new maintenance depot and associated buildings:  nrreading03

    Navigation to the individual cameras and still image or time-lapse options is on the page that will be displayed.  Up-to-the minute pictures for all of us.  Brilliant stuff!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pfneeves on November 05, 2012, 08:08:10 am
    Those of you who use platforms 1 and 2 may wish to take an umbrella in future.  Parts of the canopy roof are now missing!

    Indeed they have. Got off the train on Platform 2 this morning thinking that nothing had been done again. But then looked up and saw that they have started to take the canopy off. So I expecting that next Monday the rest of it will have been removed.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 05, 2012, 04:52:52 pm
    Blanked off signals have now started to be attached to 'Gantry 1' - the furthest east of the new gantries.  Also, it's nice to see that some seating has now been provided on Platforms 4/5/6.

    A few signals have also appeared on gantry 2, at the London end of the station.  I think (from the diagram on page 55) they are probably T1682 and T1686, both suspended from the gantry, and T1692, which seems unusually to be positioned on the gantry supports, inline with the end of the future P12?

    PS Added a couple of phone pics below.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 06, 2012, 01:36:13 pm
    I notice a lot of activity (even on Sundays) to finish the facade of the new South West entrance building.  Does this have to be handed over to another contractor soon to work on the road? Otherwise when the subway reopens people will need a ladder to get out!

    That could be the case, as the Reading BC controlled area has started to be cleared now, they are presently demolishing the concrete base that the tower crane was standing on. 

    I wonder how far into the ground those sort of crane foundation pads go - never thought of it before, but presumably it isn't just 'sat there'?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on November 06, 2012, 01:41:15 pm
    I'm pretty sure it sat on concrete piles that were bored at the same time as the other piling was going on for the new entrance and bridge supports. Presumably  piles for the relocated crane on the P12/13 island were bored at the same time as the other piling previously done there, in readiness for its current use?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 06, 2012, 02:03:35 pm
    That would be the obvious solution - so that pad would have been cast around the top of a load of piles, and they'll just have to be either dug out or left in the ground, depending on the finished level in that area. 

    The drawing showing the road layout outside the station (that I posted a link to a few weeks ago in #788) suggests there will be various ramps and steps in that area to get down to the subway floor level, which I believe is approximately true 'ground level' as seen from Caversham Rd.  The station forecourt is probably about 3-4m higher than the subway?

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Boppy on November 07, 2012, 10:36:53 am
    This morning on departure from Reading towards London I looked at the work being done on the ramp up from the underpass tunnel on the north side and there are now sleepers which are yet to be positioned correctly and track laying on top to be attached.

    I guess once that is done the rest of the track will start to be laid for the east side of the new platforms?

    Boppy.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on November 08, 2012, 11:59:18 am
    I see that glazing elements are now being fitted to the transfer deck. At present these are only over platform 8 on the west side.
    They are just about visible on cam 02, tab 2


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 08, 2012, 04:06:22 pm
    Rather surprised to see signal T1682, at the London end of P7, is hanging by a strut off Gantry 2  with no lateral bracing (although it has a longitudinal brace behind it).  So it will be susceptible to lateral movement from wind etc. and consequential risk of fatigue failure. I hope a bracing strut arrives soon.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 08, 2012, 05:05:54 pm
    It does look a bit of a work in progress.  But I also think that it might be a temporary job, because the platform 7 track will not remain in that position.  I expect we won't see the full 'cage' built around that signal, because it is likely to be moved before the OHLE is put up, unlike the example further over above the P10 running line?

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 08, 2012, 05:29:24 pm
    Maybe temporary indeed, but even so...   Perhaps the existing P7 up starter has to be moved in the short term, so sticking it on the gantry seems a logical move.  But I still want to see a bracing strut!

    It's diiifcult to visualise the final positions of the platform faces for P7 - P10 looking down from the footbridge, but I think they may all be moving.  So maybe the signal above P10 may need to be moved if/when P10 gets realigned, and the wires go up. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on November 08, 2012, 06:15:03 pm
    Noticed today whilst passing through a distinct line of OHLE uprights to the west of the station on the north side of the tracks...looked like almost a complete row going west towards the new train shed.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 09, 2012, 09:39:36 am
    It's diiifcult to visualise the final positions of the platform faces for P7 - P10 looking down from the footbridge, but I think they may all be moving.  So maybe the signal above P10 may need to be moved if/when P10 gets realigned, and the wires go up. 

    Yes, when I mentioned the P10 line I neglected to include the point that the new signal seems to be positioned above and to the left of the future position of the P10 track, which wll be slewed out at the east end of the station, ie extended in line with the current temporary platform.  You can see the blockwork beyond the country end of the platform which denotes the eventual alignment.

    In the case of the P8 and P9 island though, there is no fundamental change to the future position in terms of north/south alignment on the site.  Firstly I was told at one of the very early briefing sessions that they would only be having their surfaces and edge copings updated in situ, but this is also confirmed for all practical purposes by the existence of the new canopies sitting vertically above the existing platform edges.  The operational lengths of the platforms may shift slightly though, meaning that there may be areas out of use at the London end, because it is intended that the HST (and presumably IEP) stopping position will be equalised either side of the new 'transfer deck'.  Will be interesting to see if the London end of the island's surface is overhauled to the same standard as the rest - in fact might it be slightly shortened?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on November 09, 2012, 01:23:26 pm
    .... and stood on Platform No.8 under the new transfer deck yesterday morning it suddenly hit me what a huge station its going to be when its all finished :o


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Boppy on November 12, 2012, 06:06:36 pm
    Track now properly laid up the ramp to the east of the station on the north side.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on November 13, 2012, 01:53:59 pm
    Various sections of the P1/P2 canopy 'selectively removed' leaving the cross struts to P3/P7 in place still.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 14, 2012, 12:40:10 pm
    Thinking back to last weeks discussion about the road area outside the new southern concourse, webcam 2/2 is showing this morning (13th about 10-12 am) that they've broken through into the void space below the existing road surface.  We'll probably get an idea over the next few days how it will look when fully removed and lowered to ground level, as they probably won't take long to get rid of the waste...

    Track now properly laid up the ramp to the east of the station on the north side.

    ...and a Kirov rail crane practically alongside the multi story carpark just now - visible in background of above webcam. 

    All be over by Christmas...  ;D

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 15, 2012, 03:17:29 pm
    I was looking down on the new islands and it does seem the canopied areas are very short.  Vast tracts of  the London ends are uncovered.  You come down the escalator, theres's a short canopy, then nothing. The block paving has left no spaces for any columns for canopies that haven't appeared yet.

    Even, as Paul says, the stopping position for trains is centred under the new footbridge, there seems to me that there will be quite a bit of a long turbo, an HST or IEP out in the open.  Does FGW expect its 1st class passengers to wait in the rain, or to huddle under the canopy and make a run for it when the train arrives? (not very good for H&S).

    Hopefully I'm wrong, and that the canopies will be extended once the existing footbridge is demolished.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on November 15, 2012, 06:32:07 pm
    The videos on the Network Rail project giving artists impressions' of the finished project have shorter canopies on the new relief line platforms but full length canopies on the main line platforms. Whether this actually happens remains to be seen as none of the main line platforms have their new canopies yet.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 15, 2012, 07:02:44 pm
    The canopies seem as per the planning application drawings, on the reliefs they are about 150m on a 250m platform.  They extend west about the same distance as the P8/9 and P10/11 canopies.  They do appear short relative to the east end perhaps because the existing islands are somewhat longer than them, and maybe also look short because of the end on view - the sloping roof over the escalators (yet to be fitted) accounts for a significant proportion of the length as far as I can work out.

    I'd also point out that it is very unusual for full length canopies to be provided, taking rail the network as a whole...

    I've attached the platform canopy level planning drawing below...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 15, 2012, 07:09:33 pm
    The videos on the Network Rail project giving artists impressions' of the finished project have shorter canopies on the new relief line platforms but full length canopies on the main line platforms. Whether this actually happens remains to be seen as none of the main line platforms have their new canopies yet.

    The west end canopy of P8/9 is at its full length already, the steelwork 'corners' are both in place.  As per my other post, that roughly marks the west end limit of all four of the main canopies (except P1/2/3/7, which surprisingly are shown slightly shorter)...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on November 15, 2012, 07:29:21 pm
    Does anyone know whether there will be a First Class Lounge at the new station?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on November 15, 2012, 07:56:10 pm
    That would probably depend on who the next Greater Western franchisee is.

    I think it unlikely if First Group retain the franchise, having closed the lounge at Bristol Temple Meads and only reluctantly continued to nominally operate (through RailGourmet) the lounge at Cardiff Central. Stagecoach have opened new lounges on their East Midlands Trains franchise so they may consider it for other stations on Greater Western should they win the franchise. National Express seemed committed to providing First Class Lounges when they briefly ran the InterCity East Coast franchise so they may be a possible. As for Arriva, anybody's guess.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 16, 2012, 10:53:08 am
    I've attached the platform canopy level planning drawing below...

    Thanks.  That also answers a question I had about the provision and location of escalators, stairs and lifts.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 16, 2012, 01:18:55 pm
    As Graham has allowed a slightly larger file size for attachments, here's the platform level drawing.  Should allow hours of fun as people try and find a location for a first class lounge, as well...   ;D

    Paul

     


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2012, 08:26:55 pm
    Thanks, Paul.  ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 17, 2012, 04:40:15 pm
    The canopies seem as per the planning application drawings, on the reliefs they are about 150m on a 250m platform.  They extend west about the same distance as the P8/9 and P10/11 canopies.  They do appear short relative to the east end perhaps because the existing islands are somewhat longer than them, and maybe also look short because of the end on view - the sloping roof over the escalators (yet to be fitted) accounts for a significant proportion of the length as far as I can work out.

    I'd also point out that it is very unusual for full length canopies to be provided, taking rail the network as a whole...

    I've attached the platform canopy level planning drawing below...

    Paul

    Pual, thanks again for being the provider of hard information.  My point remains that platforms without canopies reflects an assumption that it's OK for people to get on and off trains in the wet.  And that insufficient attention has been given to the H&S and station dwell time issues associated with people congregating in an area shorter than the train they intend boarding. 

    I accept some canopies at some stations (eg Pangbourne) have been shortened over the years because of maintenance issues, but I can't see any excuses for installing short canopies on new-build platforms.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on November 17, 2012, 05:02:26 pm
    Removed.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 17, 2012, 05:12:43 pm
    I suppose that unless they've done something that absolutely prevents them being lengthened, it could be done later? 

    It seems to me that initially, any typical sized through services using the relief lines will be able to stop fully alongside the canopies anyway, and the normal platforming will presumably see most HSTs using the mains.  Of course HST's aren't that much longer than the relief platform canopies anyway?

    In the case of the terminating trains, I suppose it will all come down to whether or not they have to sit between arriving and leaving at the London end of the platform away from the canopy, to allow for the country end to be used simultaneously, eg for XC reversals (as discussed at length previously).  If not they'll be able to sit alongside a canopy as well...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 17, 2012, 05:21:58 pm
    The canopies seem as per the planning application drawings, on the reliefs they are about 150m on a 250m platform.  They extend west about the same distance as the P8/9 and P10/11 canopies.  They do appear short relative to the east end perhaps because the existing islands are somewhat longer than them, and maybe also look short because of the end on view - the sloping roof over the escalators (yet to be fitted) accounts for a significant proportion of the length as far as I can work out.

    Pual, thanks again for being the provider of hard information.  My point remains that platforms without canopies reflects an assumption that it's OK for people to get on and off trains in the wet.  And that insufficient attention has been given to the H&S and station dwell time issues associated with people congregating in an area shorter than the train they intend boarding. 

    I accept some canopies at some stations (eg Pangbourne) have been shortened over the years because of maintenance issues, but I can't see any excuses for installing short canopies on new-build platforms.

    Remember these are the relief line platforms and that 150m is more than enough for 6 car 165 and I think it would get all the passenger doors of an unlengthened HST set under the canopy.  I therefore do not see what the problem is.  

    If they start running longer trains or using the platforms for two long trains at once then they can, as Paul says, still be lengthened.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on November 17, 2012, 06:52:45 pm
    As a side point, why is it not OK to get off a train in the rain?

    It is not the end of the world but in the context of the huge Reading scheme it would be good to provide shelter not only for those exiting a train but also those waiting to board.  As has been pointed out, in times of wet weather people will tend to wait in the covered area before moving down the platform when the train arrives and possibly delay its departure.  Wet surfaces are also prone to freezing which does have H&S considerations.

    Agreed it is not the biggest issue in the Reading project, but still valid to raise it.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: John R on November 17, 2012, 08:46:03 pm

    Rather large stations such as SFA and STP do not have an issue with this. The passenger flow during the Olympics was worse, and surprise surprise, no one was injured.

    Please get off your health and safety horse unless you have evidence that:
    a) It hasn't been risk assessed (hint, SFA has been, so you'll probably find that RDG has too)
    b) There is actually a danger posed (hint no one was injured at SFA during the Olympics in this way)
    c) You have a serious amount of knowledge in this specific area, perhaps a relevant qualification in health and safety and a damn good reason why you haven't spoken to network rail about it.


    Seems a bit of a harsh response. I wouldn't expect someone to have to raise an issue with Network Rail before giving an opinion on the Coffee Shop.

    And as for SFA and STP, IIRC, there was very little rain during the Games, so any experience there is irrelevant. (Though it seems a bit of a red herring.)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on November 17, 2012, 08:54:55 pm
    Seems silly not to do a "proper" job first time and provide canopies for the whole platform.

    Plat 3 seems esp Exposed if the XC trains will still use it ( as I bet they will)...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 17, 2012, 10:46:41 pm
    As a side point, why is it not OK to get off a train in the rain?

    It is not the end of the world but in the context of the huge Reading scheme it would be good to provide shelter not only for those exiting a train but also those waiting to board.  As has been pointed out, in times of wet weather people will tend to wait in the covered area before moving down the platform when the train arrives and possibly delay its departure.  Wet surfaces are also prone to freezing which does have H&S considerations.

    Agreed it is not the biggest issue in the Reading project, but still valid to raise it.

    But I do not believe anyone needs to be waiting for or getting out of the train in the wet.  http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.msg120548# (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6405.msg120548#)
     
    Plat 3 seems esp Exposed if the XC trains will still use it ( as I bet they will)...

    But the first diagram of services prodced early on (http://richardwillisuk.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/building-a-new-21st-century-reading-station/ (http://richardwillisuk.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/building-a-new-21st-century-reading-station/)) shows the XC services using the mainline platforms. The short canopy should be adequate for a 3 car 165.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: onthecushions on November 17, 2012, 10:50:38 pm
    I expect that a canopy's role is more to shelter waiting customers than those alighting.

    It's a pity that a modern overall roof couldn't be provided for some part of the platforms, near the concourse. Leeds City has this, giving a much improved passenger experience.

    It's marvellous to see, anyway. Well done NR.

    OTC



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 18, 2012, 12:10:07 pm
    Good heavens, some people are getting theselves in a state about canopies.  BTW, EBrown, I hold a NEBOSH Diploma, though I don't think any one needs to be barred from posting on an issue just because they may not have a relevant qualification.   

    If there's a platform then it's fair to assume a train will stop alongside it at some point. We did discuss a few pages back whether the RL platforms would operate like the island at Southampton, ie terminating trains from both directions occupying the platform at the same time - if this is the case there will certainly be trains or parts of trains outside the canopies. 

    Thank you to those who acknowledge that this is a fair point to make.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 18, 2012, 12:50:37 pm
    ... and there is a Network Rail Guide to Station design at http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/6368.aspx which includes, on page 37, the comments: 

    Inclusion of noise mitigation techniques and design of effective climate protection through platform canopies and covered pedestrian routes will ensure that station users are protected from unpleasant experiences and provide a positive ambience and journey experience for all.

    Mitigate risks arising from climatic conditions (e.g. the impact of summer sun or water on floor surfaces) for reasons of safety and ease of use.

    But I'll say no more on canopies.  I agree with those who say that the new station looks great.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on November 18, 2012, 06:40:49 pm
    Just because XC trains are not immediately slated to use Plat 3 doesn't mean that they, or indeed other trains which do not even know about, in 10,20,and 30 years won't.

    Surely it is reasonable to 'future-proof' as much as possible, as adding canopies on an ad-hoc basis later will be hugely more expensive than building one now...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 18, 2012, 07:23:40 pm
    Just because XC trains are not immediately slated to use Plat 3 doesn't mean that they, or indeed other trains which do not even know about, in 10,20,and 30 years won't.

    Surely it is reasonable to 'future-proof' as much as possible, as adding canopies on an ad-hoc basis later will be hugely more expensive than building one now...

    More expensive - yes, but I do not think hugely more expensive.  The way economists value expenditure made now, that will not be needed until some time in the future would show it to be far cheaper to wait even if there was certainty that it would be used by XC. 

    Please remember this is a time when the railway is under extreme pressure to reduce costs and putting canopies on bits of platform that the brief says will only be infrequently used by trains that would need them would not be a priority.  Only by credible control of costs will the railway be trusted to receive further investment.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Not from Brighton on November 18, 2012, 10:44:58 pm
    It would take more than a canopy to protect me from all the "unpleasant experiences" I've suffered on a station platform over the years!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: pfneeves on November 19, 2012, 07:59:28 am
    Was expecting to get off the train on Platform 2 this morning to find that the rest of the roof had been removed. But that was not the case. So it looks as though users of Platforms 1 & 2 will have another week when they have partial shelter when waiting for trains.

    On a different note does anyone know if the existing platforms are going to be refurbished in anyway (besides getting a new canopy of course)?

    I also spotted that some of Platform 7 has been dug up and cemented over again near the newsagent. Something tells me that more of this may happen if the green spray paint writing is anything to go by.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: broadgage on November 19, 2012, 08:18:46 am
    Whilst in a perfect world all platforms would be under shelter, in todays economic climate I can think of more important uses for the money.
    Including buying an extra train ! and yes even one more could make a difference, not by any extra timetabled services but by reducing cancellations and short formations "due to lack of rolling stock"


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on November 19, 2012, 02:01:47 pm
    Travellers arriving and departing on an HST at Penzance can have a very long walk in the rain as I have discpovered in a torrential downpour but I did not think it a cause for complaint. Afterall you can walk along the train in the dry until you reach a coach under the canopy but that might be difficult at Reading if the train only stops a few minutes.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 19, 2012, 05:01:45 pm
    I've attached three 'phone pics' of the progress with the track laying at the east end.

    They seem to have put the crossover for the P13/P14 lines in position, and in the distance you can see that the junction where the P15 and P14 lines merge is sited on Vastern Rd Bridge, so presumably the junction towards the 'Southern' underpass must be beyond the bridge, and anyone who travels in that direction can possibly confirm that is the case.

    Hope these are of interest - they give a good idea of how far away from their existing position the relief lines will be.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on November 19, 2012, 06:02:47 pm
    Anyone know why there is access to emergency subway only  for platforms 12/13 and 14/15?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 19, 2012, 06:19:49 pm
    It is a recently altered design standard requirement for a new build platform, or for a major alteration, but the requirement is not retrospective for existing platforms that are only being improved in situ.

    Hence 4-6 and 12-15 all get escape routes, but not the others.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on November 19, 2012, 06:41:03 pm
    Cheers Paul, watching the them being built and the huge effort involved must have added greatly to the cost.

    Arguably 10/11 is as much an alteration as 5/6?

    But difficult to see why they are truly needed - seems to be H&S gone mad...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 19, 2012, 07:36:17 pm
    They seem to have put the crossover for the P13/P14 lines in position, and in the distance you can see that the junction where the P15 and P14 lines merge is sited on Vastern Rd Bridge, so presumably the junction towards the 'Southern' underpass must be beyond the bridge, and anyone who travels in that direction can possibly confirm that is the case.

    I think you can see the start of it just beyond where the P14/15 lines merge, just before the big gang of track workers by the BMW sign.  According to the labels on the track diagrams I posted the two crossovers are much closer together than they look on the schematic, with one finishing at 61 chains and the other starting at 62 chains.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: broadgage on November 20, 2012, 08:38:06 am
    Cheers Paul, watching the them being built and the huge effort involved must have added greatly to the cost.

    Arguably 10/11 is as much an alteration as 5/6?

    But difficult to see why they are truly needed - seems to be H&S gone mad...

    Agreed.
    Most railway platforms are very low risk enviroments as regards needing means of escape. They built of substantialy non combustible materials, with few sources of ignition.

    In the most unlikely event of say a terrorist bomb explosion, evacuation to a tunnel or overhead walkway might not be the best option due to the risks of a second bomb.


    In the event of fire or other emergency in the ticket office or on the concourse, it is often best to close the station to arriving passengers, but to evacuate those on the platforms by train.
    And as a last resort, there is always evacuation to track level after stopping the trains.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 20, 2012, 12:34:33 pm
    I suppose 'buildability' comes into it as well.  As they were working away from the operational railway, those new subways were relatively straightforward to build from the surface, but equivalents for P8-P11 would have needed tunnelling under the live railway, presumably a different set of costs entirely.   

    Having said that, the emergency access to the extended 'Southern' P5/P6 must have been done from beneath, but of course there was only one track to cross when they started, rather than four tracks in two locations over in the area being discussed.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on November 20, 2012, 01:43:12 pm
    ...
    Having said that, the emergency access to the extended 'Southern' P5/P6 must have been done from beneath, but of course there was only one track to cross when they started, rather than four tracks in two locations over in the area being discussed.

    Paul

    From memory, watching the work being done at the time, I'm pretty sure that the P5/P6 subway is mostly under the newly constructed embankment, so didn't require any tunneling. When they started work on extending P5/P6 they excavated straight down to the (buried) P5 end of the subway 'tube', and built the entrance  steps down to it, but didn't need to do any digging from below, or sideways underneath any existing structure.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 22, 2012, 05:45:45 pm
    Back in posts 921-923 I asked about the supports for the tower crane that was removed from the new entrance, I see that the piles have been uncovered this afternoon, and are being nibbled away down to new ground level as we thought. 

    (As showing on webcam 2 around about 1500.)

    The entrance to the future public subway is also now almost fully visible.  They also appear (from what I have seen on the webcams over the last couple of days) to have demolished another subway like structure immediately in front of the new - did the previous subway extend far out under the road surface although unused?

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on November 22, 2012, 06:47:13 pm
    The road was raised on a concrete structure rather than filling.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on November 22, 2012, 08:04:44 pm
    Paul - in the days when the old subway was 'open', as was the station, it had 2 exits at ground level - firstly by the old taxi rank, and then across the far side of the road  near the entrance to the old Foster Wheeler tower.

    Off the subway there were also a few exit routes into the subterranean car-parks 'under' station hill road....


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BBM on November 22, 2012, 08:51:49 pm
    Paul - in the days when the old subway was 'open', as was the station, it had 2 exits at ground level - firstly by the old taxi rank, and then across the far side of the road  near the entrance to the old Foster Wheeler tower.

    Off the subway there were also a few exit routes into the subterranean car-parks 'under' station hill road....

    And one route used to continue right through to the old bus station!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 23, 2012, 12:38:20 pm
    Thanks chaps - back in the day I never left the station at all, only used it for interchange when passing through on what is now the XC route...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on November 23, 2012, 01:15:09 pm
    Meanwhile in the new depot building fitting out work has now progressed to a stage where rails have now been laid within the building.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 26, 2012, 07:29:37 am
    Anyone here know what was going on over this last weekend 24/25 November) to prevent access to p1,2&3 from the main concourse? This may be frequent occurrence but it is very rare I actually leave the station completely at reading.

    I didn't notice any major changes on my way through this morning.

    Dave


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on November 26, 2012, 09:05:59 am
    I travelled Reading - Thatcham early on Sat evening (24th) from Plat. 2 and didn't notice anything different re. access to that area (along Plat.7) than it's been for some months now.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 26, 2012, 09:08:23 am
    I travelled Reading - Thatcham early on Sat evening (24th) from Plat. 2 and didn't notice anything different re. access to that area (along Plat.7) than it's been for some months now.

    I believe the restriction was in place Sun am until 5am today (Monday)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 26, 2012, 09:56:32 am
    On the previous weekend they were digging in the platform around about WH Smith's but it was all filled in again with a temporary surface by Monday.  Once the Monday morning hordes are milling around over the site you probably wouldn't notice anything had happened.

    They went through a phase of overnight excavations on P8 at once stage, I think it was locating utilities and electrical cables, leaving the surface a bit of a patchwork.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on November 26, 2012, 12:35:22 pm
    The far end of the country end of P8 had been dug up this morning, quite a lot of pipes, services revealed.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on November 26, 2012, 04:15:42 pm
    Quite a bit going on now at that end of the P8/9 island isn't there. 

    I'd originally thought that mightn't happen until they had the chance to close the platforms off completely, one side at a time, but I suppose as long as they are beyond the length actually needed for an HST they can crack on with the renewal of the section beyond the working area...

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on December 03, 2012, 12:15:37 pm
    The far end of the country end of P8 had been dug up this morning, quite a lot of pipes, services revealed.

    The end of platform 8 has pretty much disappeared altogether now.
    P7 was closed again yesterday (Sunday) for more delvings. It's quite a hike to P3 via the temporary side entrance.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 03, 2012, 07:10:33 pm
    So where was the temporary side entrance to P3?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 03, 2012, 08:39:35 pm
    So where was the temporary side entrance to P3?

    I didn't go through reading station today but I am guessing the reference may have meant to p1/2/3 rather than just 3. If this is the case then it is the same as the weekend before where access to p1-3 was from outside the station. So if, for example , you wanted to go from p8 to p1 etc you had to leave the station the the gate line and then walk west for a 100 yards r so and then almost turn back on yourself to walk up te path the the aforementioned platforms.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on December 03, 2012, 11:46:59 pm
    The side entrance (to 1-2-3) is behind the RSAR Site offices - where bus number 5/6 used to depart from.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 08, 2012, 01:10:12 pm
    Apologies if this has been mentioned in this thread before but I noticed this week there seem to be new waiting rooms appearing at the western ends of the platforms that have got the new roofing - such as p8-9,10-11,12-13 etc. So this is is a welcome addition for those who use those platforms. 

    I am guessing the "waiting area" for p1-7 will be the main southern entrance and concourse - but that is only a guess.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 08, 2012, 02:52:51 pm
    I am guessing the "waiting area" for p1-7 will be the main southern entrance and concourse - but that is only a guess.

    If you refer to Paul's attachment on page 63 of this thread, then there is mention on that of a 'Customer Lounge' at the western end of Platform 7 (with direct access to Platforms 1/2/3).  Similar in size to the old facilities by the looks of it.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 08, 2012, 04:21:23 pm
    Would that be in the area just to the West of the new bridge in the area at the east end of platforms 1, 2 & 3? The area is visible in Lobster Vision nrreading02 camera 2, just between the large grey box (signalling equipment?) and the platform.  Incidentally why is the grey box part in the building and part out? Is it going to be moved or will the building be larger?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 08, 2012, 05:37:32 pm
    I am guessing the "waiting area" for p1-7 will be the main southern entrance and concourse - but that is only a guess.

    If you refer to Paul's attachment on page 63 of this thread, then there is mention on that of a 'Customer Lounge' at the western end of Platform 7 (with direct access to Platforms 1/2/3).  Similar in size to the old facilities by the looks of it.

    Many thanks II - I'd forgotten about that plan...thanks for reminding me.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 08, 2012, 07:23:17 pm
    Ah I see from your plan - it is that room under the bridge where they built a plywood wall the other day. And the building is being extended to cover the grey box.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 08, 2012, 07:43:54 pm
    Looked at the plan for the north and south entrances again.  There's an awful lot of work to be done on the south side before the subway can be used.  When were they going to need it was it end of February?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 09, 2012, 10:39:08 am
    ...Incidentally why is the grey box part in the building and part out? Is it going to be moved or will the building be larger?

    Oddly enough, as these boxes are known as 'relocatable equipment buildings' (REBs), I'd have initially thought relocation was an option. IIRC this one is labelled 'Station REB.  But on second thoughts it is likely that the idea of the REB is simply to build and test the contained signalling equipment at the factory, and deliver as a 'job lot' and connect to local cabling when in its designed position. So I'm tending towards the fact that it is easier to build round/over it than disturb all the relevant cabling.  However this could possibly happen later at a future major alteration to the signalling? 

    You'll see similar boxes at either end of the station, including in line with the new platforms, and of course they are all over the existing railway.

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 09, 2012, 01:12:02 pm
    ...Incidentally why is the grey box part in the building and part out? Is it going to be moved or will the building be larger?

    Oddly enough, as these boxes are known as 'relocatable equipment buildings' (REBs), I'd have initially thought relocation was an option. IIRC this one is labelled 'Station REB.  But on second thoughts it is likely that the idea of the REB is simply to build and test the contained signalling equipment at the factory, and deliver as a 'job lot' and connect to local cabling when in its designed position. So I'm tending towards the fact that it is easier to build round/over it than disturb all the relevant cabling.  However this could possibly happen later at a future major alteration to the signalling? 

    You'll see similar boxes at either end of the station, including in line with the new platforms, and of course they are all over the existing railway.

    Paul 

    Thanks Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on December 09, 2012, 01:44:20 pm
    Anyone know whether the new office block nearly finished off Richfield avenue by the new maintenance sheds are temporary or permanent?

    They seem to be built in a modular/temporary way, but also seem so extensive that suggests that they are unlikely to be temporary.

    But if permanent why not just incorporate the offices into the shed buildings, rather than building them apart from them...?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 09, 2012, 04:55:31 pm
    Anyone know whether the new office block nearly finished off Richfield avenue by the new maintenance sheds are temporary or permanent?

    They seem to be built in a modular/temporary way, but also seem so extensive that suggests that they are unlikely to be temporary.

    But if permanent why not just incorporate the offices into the shed buildings, rather than building them apart from them...?

    Marked on the plans as 'Depot Staff Accommodation Building'.  Permanent, but modular in appearance I would guess as that's a nice cheap way to build things these days - many modern housing developments use similar building practices.

    There will be some offices in the shed buildings as well, but why they weren't all incorporated into one building I don't know.  Either space constraints, or ease of access - that building is likely to be in an non-HV vest area for office staff for example - are possible reasons.  The offices in the current upper depot are separate from the main train shed (but not the lower depot!).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on December 09, 2012, 08:21:36 pm
    Anyone know whether the new office block nearly finished off Richfield avenue by the new maintenance sheds are temporary or permanent?

    They seem to be built in a modular/temporary way, but also seem so extensive that suggests that they are unlikely to be temporary.

    But if permanent why not just incorporate the offices into the shed buildings, rather than building them apart from them...?

    Marked on the plans as 'Depot Staff Accommodation Building'.  Permanent, but modular in appearance I would guess as that's a nice cheap way to build things these days - many modern housing developments use similar building practices.

    There will be some offices in the shed buildings as well, but why they weren't all incorporated into one building I don't know.  Either space constraints, or ease of access - that building is likely to be in an non-HV vest area for office staff for example - are possible reasons.  The offices in the current upper depot are separate from the main train shed (but not the lower depot!).

    Could be the "depot staff building" is for the in service train fault team.

    Modular build is not always a cheap build often the modular buildings are more expensive than the insitu built ones where the savings are made is the on site time especially if possessions are required.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 09, 2012, 09:07:02 pm
    Anyone know whether the new office block nearly finished off Richfield avenue by the new maintenance sheds are temporary or permanent?

    They seem to be built in a modular/temporary way, but also seem so extensive that suggests that they are unlikely to be temporary.

    But if permanent why not just incorporate the offices into the shed buildings, rather than building them apart from them...?

    Marked on the plans as 'Depot Staff Accommodation Building'.  Permanent, but modular in appearance I would guess as that's a nice cheap way to build things these days - many modern housing developments use similar building practices.

    There will be some offices in the shed buildings as well, but why they weren't all incorporated into one building I don't know.  Either space constraints, or ease of access - that building is likely to be in an non-HV vest area for office staff for example - are possible reasons.  The offices in the current upper depot are separate from the main train shed (but not the lower depot!).

    Could be the "depot staff building" is for the in service train fault team.

    Modular build is not always a cheap build often the modular buildings are more expensive than the insitu built ones where the savings are made is the on site time especially if possessions are required.

    If modular buildings are being widely presented as the way forward to save costs.  On the continent they are widely used in preference to insitu build as they have been proven to reduce costs.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on December 09, 2012, 09:24:52 pm
    Anyone know whether the new office block nearly finished off Richfield avenue by the new maintenance sheds are temporary or permanent?

    They seem to be built in a modular/temporary way, but also seem so extensive that suggests that they are unlikely to be temporary.

    But if permanent why not just incorporate the offices into the shed buildings, rather than building them apart from them...?

    Marked on the plans as 'Depot Staff Accommodation Building'.  Permanent, but modular in appearance I would guess as that's a nice cheap way to build things these days - many modern housing developments use similar building practices.

    There will be some offices in the shed buildings as well, but why they weren't all incorporated into one building I don't know.  Either space constraints, or ease of access - that building is likely to be in an non-HV vest area for office staff for example - are possible reasons.  The offices in the current upper depot are separate from the main train shed (but not the lower depot!).

    Could be the "depot staff building" is for the in service train fault team.

    Modular build is not always a cheap build often the modular buildings are more expensive than the insitu built ones where the savings are made is the on site time especially if possessions are required.

    If modular buildings are being widely presented as the way forward to save costs.  On the continent they are widely used in preference to insitu build as they have been proven to reduce costs.

    I did not say they are not a reduction in costs, I did say they are not a cheap option. 

    There is not a lot in the costs in fact (I know I am involved in procuring fixed traction equipment) modular have higher cost in manufacture, transport and delivery to site (eg very large cranes and possessions) traditional brick and mortar have higher on site costs due to the length of time to build and fit out.  Modular has advantage of factory built easier to do acceptance tests on site commissioning is less, modular disadvantage is the building life span is often less than the equipment inside it (an example are the 1980's dc traction substations through Kent the electrical kit has another 10 plus years life the modular buildings are shot.

    Don't get me wrong I am a great believer in modular equipment enclosures they are not always the best answer


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on December 09, 2012, 09:47:51 pm

    I did not say they are not a reduction in costs, I did say they are not a cheap option. 

    There is not a lot in the costs in fact (I know I am involved in procuring fixed traction equipment) modular have higher cost in manufacture, transport and delivery to site (eg very large cranes and possessions) traditional brick and mortar have higher on site costs due to the length of time to build and fit out.  Modular has advantage of factory built easier to do acceptance tests on site commissioning is less, modular disadvantage is the building life span is often less than the equipment inside it (an example are the 1980's dc traction substations through Kent the electrical kit has another 10 plus years life the modular buildings are shot.

    Don't get me wrong I am a great believer in modular equipment enclosures they are not always the best answer

    The big advantage when you get to site work is that you reduce the risks associated with weather. This can be a major cost in the construction industry. In big civils jobs however there is a cut-off size where the increased crane costs balance out the savings, but in modular building where you are building up from components this is less so. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 12, 2012, 02:40:30 pm
    I thought I'd give a quick summary of where we are and where we'll be in the next year of so of the Reading project (as I understand it):

    Completed:  New Platform 4 and extension to Platforms 5 and 6.
    28th Feb 2013:  New Subway opens.
    1st Mar 2013:  Existing overbridge between the multi-storey car park and the station closes (those from that car park and others usually entering station from north side temporarily need to use new subway).
    29th Mar 2013:  Transfer deck opens along with new northern and western entrances and gate lines, and new northern ticket office.
    2-4th Apr 2013:  New Platforms 12-15 open after Easter blockade, with revised track layout including the new southern lines underpass.  Platform 16 (and Platform 3?) closes.
    May/June 2013:  New maintenance depot and east and west sidings are phased into use with the current Reading TMD (lower depot) closing.
    July/August 2013:  Current Reading fuel point (upper depot) closes and all FGW stabling and maintenance transfers to the new maintenance depot and east/west end sidings.

    Work will also start next year in earnest to the remaining station works and the western underpass, and as I understand it, the east end sidings and maintenance shed, along with the new platforms will have all overhead cables in place.  The west end sidings won't be wired up until the western underpass is completed.  Not sure when the rest of the station will be wired up.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 12, 2012, 05:31:18 pm
    Thanks for the update II, I think 2-4 April (not March) for P12-P15 opening [now corrected by II].  Car park users won't be happy with the permanent loss of a short walk to an HST for London on 1st March, but you can't please all the people all of the time.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on December 12, 2012, 06:35:57 pm
    I don't suppose there is any chance that any of you who have the ability to take the odd snapshot could post one now and then for the benefit of we who are remote from proceedings, please?

    Of course I appreciate that you hard-working people probably only pass through in the dark.   :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Ollie on December 12, 2012, 06:38:47 pm
    Here are some pics I took a few months ago.

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152074737535459.899624.566580458&type=3


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Thatcham Crossing on December 12, 2012, 07:02:01 pm
    Not saying for a minute that great progress hasn't been made, but looking at the transfer deck when I was passing through today I would say getting that open by 29/3/13 looks like a tall order to me!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 12, 2012, 08:02:37 pm
    Not saying for a minute that great progress hasn't been made, but looking at the transfer deck when I was passing through today I would say getting that open by 29/3/13 looks like a tall order to me!

    I thought the same about p4-6 when they were working on it but it was amazing the progress they made towards the end


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 13, 2012, 11:06:16 am
    I would expect that a lot of the internal detailed fit-out would be planned to be done somewhat nearer to the final opening anyway.  There's little point in laying final surfaces and putting up wall claddings and the like, until the transfer deck is no longer doubling up as access to the building site. 

    The access ramps and steps to the south end of the subway should also happen fairly quickly now, a lot of foundation concrete is being poured at the moment, and it is the sort of structure that can be built rapidly.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 13, 2012, 11:57:41 am
    Thanks for the update II, I think 2-4 April (not March) for P12-P15 opening. 

    Of course.  My mistake.  Now corrected.

    I don't suppose there is any chance that any of you who have the ability to take the odd snapshot could post one now and then for the benefit of we who are remote from proceedings, please?

    Here's a few I took last Sunday:

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8268655977_430a6d40f5_b.jpg)

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8269723236_5c70bd3b21_b.jpg)

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8345/8268654893_74588fd676_b.jpg)

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8216/8269721822_087e2d1297_b.jpg)

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8073/8269733070_5bcce7f8fd_b.jpg)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 13, 2012, 12:00:02 pm
    Great pics II thanks for posting


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on December 13, 2012, 01:09:14 pm
    II, thank you very much.  We've come a long way since I used to haul boxes of freight accounting paperwork up to the station from the Reading computer bureau in the Signal Works (1969 -ish) at some unearthly hour of the morning.
     >:(


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 13, 2012, 01:30:52 pm
    Interesting pictures, thanks II.  The first three pictures show no sign of escalators down to the platforms despite the fact that they're planned to be installed and in use by 29th March.  Tube users know how long it can take to replace escalators (sometimes years!).

    Howvere, the last picture shows a mysterious package, marked Kone,  being transported across the ML's.  Kone make escalators, so it looks like the first bit of escalator is being moved across to the new platforms. 

    Interesting way of getting them across to where they're being installed


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 13, 2012, 02:38:35 pm
    Interesting way of getting them across to where they're being installed

    That's what I thought - hence the photo opportunity.  As you say, that's probably equipment for the new escalators then.  There were several such movements taking place during the day requiring some pretty deft handling of those yellow transportation vehicles as there's not much turning space on Platform 7/8.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on December 13, 2012, 06:46:12 pm
    Interesting pictures, thanks II.  The first three pictures show no sign of escalators down to the platforms despite the fact that they're planned to be installed and in use by 29th March.  Tube users know how long it can take to replace escalators (sometimes years!).

    Howvere, the last picture shows a mysterious package, marked Kone,  being transported across the ML's.  Kone make escalators, so it looks like the first bit of escalator is being moved across to the new platforms. 

    Interesting way of getting them across to where they're being installed

    Escalators come prefabricated, site fit out is to fit the treads, side panels and some wiring and then set them up.  The ones fitted at Waterloo mezzanine recently were installed fitted out and tested in less than 2 weeks (each) the problem the Tube has is access and working on them while the station is open to the public   


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 14, 2012, 09:59:15 am
    I think the main point is that escalator fitting and routine maintenance in normal circumstances (ie not on the deep tube lines) is nothing like as difficult or time consuming.  I suspect that there were some sort of fundamental design errors made in the early days on the tube, regarding long term access for both maintenance and replacement mostly to do with those inclined shafts, and perhaps nearly every escalator there is uniquely sized to the location. 

    The Reading equipment is probably relatively standard equipment.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on December 14, 2012, 12:17:28 pm
    I take the point that installing new escalators in a purpose designed "enclosure" will be much simpler than replacing very old escalators on the Tube netweork.

    But even so, I wonder if the escalators were late being delivered, as the first enclosures have been ready for some time and they have 16 (I'm assuming 4 per island) to install by 29th March.  And I would be surprised if the Project Plan was based on them being trundled across all the running lines as shown in II's picture.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 14, 2012, 12:21:05 pm
    I take the point that installing new escalators in a purpose designed "enclosure" will be much simpler than replacing very old escalators on the Tube netweork.

    But even so, I wonder if the escalators were late being delivered, as the first enclosures have been ready for some time and they have 16 (I'm assuming 4 per island) to install by 29th March.  And I would be surprised if the Project Plan was based on them being trundled across all the running lines as shown in II's picture.

    I was under the impression there were two per island and stairs but may be wrong


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 14, 2012, 02:04:26 pm
    It varies - P8/9 has 4 escalators, with a staircase alongside each pair, but the other 3 narrower islands have 3 escalators, 2 on the London side and a single one (with a parallel stair) on the other side.

    Trundling heavy stuff over the running lines during an overnight block is a standard practice - those polystyrene blocks in the picture are man-portable and can be laid very quickly between the platforms, I've seen them in use on many projects in the south, eg to get plant over onto island platforms during SWT's current platform lengthening work. 



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on December 14, 2012, 03:17:32 pm
    Here are some pics I took a few months ago.

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152074737535459.899624.566580458&type=3


    Ollie I forgot to thank you as well, pardon.  (And those captions??)   :D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on December 14, 2012, 07:29:27 pm
    Webcam 3 of nrreading01 showed two lorry loads of Kone equipment, including four very large items, being craned onto the site today (using the tower crane). I guess these are destined for the new platforms, which might suggest its only the equipment for platforms 7/8 which needs to be brought in over the tracks.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Ollie on December 14, 2012, 08:58:49 pm
    Here are some pics I took a few months ago.

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152074737535459.899624.566580458&type=3


    Ollie I forgot to thank you as well, pardon.  (And those captions??)   :D

    You're welcome. I will do those soon... or I might remove the bit about me doing captions ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 15, 2012, 11:41:39 am
    Webcam 3 of nrreading01 showed two lorry loads of Kone equipment, including four very large items, being craned onto the site today (using the tower crane). I guess these are destined for the new platforms, which might suggest its only the equipment for platforms 7/8 which needs to be brought in over the tracks.

    That figures, because the weight capability of the tower crane will be much reduced at the radius needed for P8 and P9. 

    (Which is presumably what you meant, because for P7 they'll be able to use the main entrance.)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on December 15, 2012, 04:26:02 pm
    Those photos cetainly give the impression of a 21st century rail station. I wonder what the old GWR entheusiasts think about it.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on December 15, 2012, 06:39:51 pm
    Those photos cetainly give the impression of a 21st century rail station. I wonder what the old GWR entheusiasts think about it.

    They could go here http://www.broadwaystation.co.uk/ (http://www.broadwaystation.co.uk/) where they are building a new GWR station.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on December 16, 2012, 07:12:02 am
    Saw this on Journeycheck

    Quote
    Reading Facilities: Lifts out of order At Reading station.
    The lifts will be out of order between Platform 10 and Overbridge from 15/12/2012 08:04 until further notice.
    Message Received :15/12/2012 08:05

    Is this a breakdown, I wonder, or part of the station redevelopment work.  If it is the latter it could be problematic for those who can't use the stairs, particularly as Platform 10 is the main London bound platform on Sundays and between Christmas and New Year.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on December 18, 2012, 10:20:02 am
    However, the last picture shows a mysterious package, marked Kone,  being transported across the ML's.  Kone make escalators, so it looks like the first bit of escalator is being moved across to the new platforms. 

    As of yesterday evening, a large pre-fabbed escalator is sat in one of the wells on the east side of P8.
    It's not in final position yet, it's at more of a reclined angle.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on December 18, 2012, 02:54:33 pm
    Yesterday the normal stairs and the lift between the overbridge and platform 10 were both taped off and passengers were being directed to use the temporary stairs on the east side of the overbridge to access platform 10. Altogether not a very good arrangement - not a lot of signage and not the most customer friendly access. I don't know how long this will persist, or if it is permanent? Has to be some issues re access for the disabled to/from Platform 10.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 18, 2012, 03:17:48 pm
    A couple of other things to note:

    We now have track partly laid by platforms 13/14/15.  Ballast is down but still waiting sleepers by the looks of it though! 

    Also if you look on Camera 4 of nrreading01's webcams you can see a door in the side of the transfer deck leading to the walking route to the new depot and sidings.  I understand that this walking route won't require staff to be PTS (Personal Track Safety) trained and won't involve walking over the viaduct with a lighting system to tell you it's safe to keep walking.  Much safer!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 18, 2012, 04:35:29 pm
    Perhaps they'll use the Balfour Beatty 'new track construction machine' to lay the sleepers and clip the track, within a few days from now?  Dropping the rails in roughly the right position, cutting them to length and temporarily joining them takes place before the machine appears, I found a YouTube video here that shows the machine in operation:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhVu7jQZXy0

    A photo of the current situation alongside P14/15 attached below, and also a picture of a gantry that's appeared at the west end of the new platforms some time over the last fortnight or so...

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 18, 2012, 04:43:42 pm
    Cheers, Paul.  Anybody else got neck ache though?   ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 18, 2012, 05:02:58 pm
    Cheers, Paul.  Anybody else got neck ache though?   ;)

    Sorry about that - thanks to using an iphone to take the photo, and a mac to upload it, unfortunately Apple's software
    hid the fact I had the phone upside down.   ::)

    I think it might be OK to look again now...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: John R on December 18, 2012, 09:07:35 pm
    I'm intrigued by the heavyweight looking gantry. I thought NR was installing much lighter constructions now.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: stebbo on December 18, 2012, 09:55:54 pm
    With reference to Electric Train's comment, go to Winchcombe on the GWR where there's a working station albeit much of it transported from Monmouth. But I think station design has evolved - like airports we need to have more retail outlets so you can buy your dinner, a new suit, tie, bra, knickers, mobile phone etc.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: John R on December 18, 2012, 10:42:43 pm
    And in the case of the Severn Valley Railway, there are some rather controversial plans to "update" Bridgnorth with new visitor attractions and a new footbridge with lift access, which many members don't think will be in keeping with the historic ambience of the station. Maybe they could go the whole hog and put a gateline in as well.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 19, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
    I'm intrigued by the heavyweight looking gantry. I thought NR was installing much lighter constructions now.

    Thinking about this, although there definitely are lighter varieties of lineside signals that have been recently fitted, (e.g. on the Salisbury - Exeter route), I suspect there's much more complexity about Reading, especially in the station area.  If that gantry has to carry the 'full monty' for 4 platforms, and in both directions, ie two heads for the four main aspects, and any necessary feathers or theatre box route indicators, and calling on lights (for two train working), and CD/RA indicators [1], then it all gets significantly heavier and on top of all that you have to add OHLE safety cages to allow for maintenance staff to get to the signalling equipment while the juice is on.  They may also be fitting various aids such as shades and back boards to improve signal sighting.

    [1] Close doors and 'right away' indications for one person operation - which if Basingstoke is any precedent, could be fitted even if they are not normally ever used...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on December 19, 2012, 04:27:14 pm
    [1] Close doors and 'right away' indications for one person operation - which if Basingstoke is any precedent, could be fitted even if they are not normally ever used...

    Are the existing CD/RA ever used at Reading these days?  I have not seen them used in many a long year.

    There's a small handbill going round giving pre-warning of the Easter blockade.  It mentions a total of 100 new information screens being installed.  Seems a lot but spread across 15 platforms and entrances/exits and walkways I suppose it soon mounts up.  Details of the revised service over Easter will be published next month according to the leaflet.  I fancy a trip via Banbury - missed out when the Christmas block was on.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 19, 2012, 05:24:00 pm
    Are the existing CD/RA ever used at Reading these days?  I have not seen them used in many a long year.

    They are used on all DOO services that depart from Platforms 11 and 16, and on all platforms if Driver<>Guard equipment isn't working.  Next Easter would be an ideal time to try to standardise all the method of working on all DOO services so that CD/RA is always used.  We'll see if that opportunity is grasped.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: inspector_blakey on December 19, 2012, 07:21:36 pm
    Would be nice to think that the RA indicators could be used for driver/guard working as well, since they are interlocked with the signalling and won't allow a "ding ding and away" SPAD. There are certainly precedents elsewhere, Birmingham New Street for example where all trains are despatched with an RA despite driver-guard operation.

    Or are the CD/RA indicators in the Thames Valley a different design that means they're not suitable for driver-guard working? Clearly the CD serves no purpose if the guard is closing/locking the doors rather than the driver: does the interlocking mean that CD has to be displayed before RA will pop up?

    Those photos cetainly give the impression of a 21st century rail station. I wonder what the old GWR entheusiasts think about it.

    They could do a lot worse than visit Birmingham Moor Street, where a superb job has been done of providing a busy station with excellent, modern facilities at the same time as retaining a very heritage, GWR feel.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on December 19, 2012, 07:25:02 pm
    Presumably the sleeper is despatched at Reading using RA indicators because of the lack of driver-guard communication, the CD indicators wouldn't be needed then either.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 19, 2012, 07:28:08 pm
    Or are the CD/RA indicators in the Thames Valley a different design that means they're not suitable for driver-guard working? Clearly the CD serves no purpose if the guard is closing/locking the doors rather than the driver: does the interlocking mean that CD has to be displayed before RA will pop up?

    No, direct to RA is possible - and occasionally used in the case of faulty Driver<>Guard comms on HSTs or 180s.  Personally I think on non-DOO trains the Guard giving two on the buzzer is a better system than using a RA indicator as it doesn't rely on the driver continually observing the RA box, they just wait for buzz-buzz and go.  Delays can occur when using the RA if the driver isn't on the ball all the time.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: inspector_blakey on December 19, 2012, 11:04:01 pm
    Presumably the sleeper is despatched at Reading using RA indicators because of the lack of driver-guard communication, the CD indicators wouldn't be needed then either.

    Never seen the sleeper despatched at Reading so I'm not sure, but the RA indicators would make sense as I don't *think* there's a driver-guard buzzer on that stock. However it's also possible that it's despatched in the time-honoured way with the guard giving the driver a green flag (or green light, during darkness, fog or falling snow...). That is still the fallback method of despatch in the event of a buzzer/RA indicator failure, and all guards (should...) carry flags and a handlamp in case of need.

    No, direct to RA is possible - and occasionally used in the case of faulty Driver<>Guard comms on HSTs or 180s.  

    Thanks, had often wondered about that! I ended up travelling on one of Chilterns 67-hauled sets the other day which *seemed* to have a weird method of despatch going on. The guard had a two-way radio and from the tit-bits I overheard it sounded as if she was in radio contact with the driver and despatching that way: common enough in the US but I'm not aware of it being used in the UK ever. Not even entirely sure if it's covered by the rule book. The disclaimer is that it's entirely possible that I misinterpreted what was going on though!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on December 19, 2012, 11:10:34 pm
    Presumably the sleeper is despatched at Reading using RA indicators because of the lack of driver-guard communication, the CD indicators wouldn't be needed then either.

    Never seen the sleeper despatched at Reading so I'm not sure, but the RA indicators would make sense as I don't *think* there's a driver-guard buzzer on that stock. However it's also possible that it's despatched in the time-honoured way with the guard giving the driver a green flag (or green light, during darkness, fog or falling snow...). That is still the fallback method of despatch in the event of a buzzer/RA indicator failure, and all guards (should...) carry flags and a handlamp in case of need.

    Definitely no driver-guard on the MK3s or the 57s. Despatched using green flag, or green light in the winter, throughout Cornwall. Not sure if the RA indicators are used where installed at the bigger stations though. They use RA indicators at Redruth in the up direction because the 57 is stopped in the tunnel and it wouldn't be particularly easy for the driver to see a flag or light.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 19, 2012, 11:32:14 pm
    Meanwhile back with the track laying, as I write this the webcams show the Balfour Beatty new track machine is sitting in P13, and there's a ballast train in P15, so as I thought might happen, progress has been swift...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on December 20, 2012, 12:19:57 pm
    I've been dying to ask this.  Is the kink in the main down platform to go?   Has it gone?

    It's a wonder it was not listed, being Brunel's bright idea (?) to send trains in and out of two halves of a single platform.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on December 20, 2012, 02:05:23 pm
    The dispatch process for sleepers at Reading is:

    Dispatcher gives the first tip to guard, who then locks the doors.
    Dispatcher gives second tip to guard to show all doors locked safely.
    Guard gives green light to dispatcher.
    Dispatcher gives RA to driver.

    All done without a single whistle - wouldn't want to wake the passengers!

    By the way, the lift and stairs from platform 10 to the overbridge are back in use. Apparently, the lift has been suffering significant rain water ingress since the canopy was cut back. A temporary fix has been made to the canopy to rectify the problem.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on December 20, 2012, 02:12:01 pm
    When I walked through Reading from P4 to P1 last night I was suprised with the amount of rain water that was coming through the round holes in the bottom of the overbridge. This suprised me because (a) I though the roof was on the overbridge and (b) I thought the round holes were for lights!

    Lets hope I am wrong on both counts!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 20, 2012, 02:15:26 pm
    I've been dying to ask this.  Is the kink in the main down platform to go?   Has it gone?

    Platform 7 is to be built out from the middle of its length by about one track width towards P8.  It will have a completely new platform edge, and be significantly straighter than it is now, so I expect there'll be little or no evidence of any original details.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on December 30, 2012, 08:11:34 pm
    The first schedules for the diverted trains this Easter have started to appear online. Some links for the 29th March for anybody who is interested:
    London Paddington: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=London+Paddington&date=29%2F03%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=1&show_schedules=11&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1
    Exeter St Davids: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=wat&date=29%2F03%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=1&show_schedules=11&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1

    Service is broadly similar to Christmas 2010. 1tph London Paddington-Swansea and 1tph London Paddington-Bristol Temple Meads via the Chiltern Line, Banbury and Oxford. 1tph London Waterloo-Plymouth/Penzance via Westbury. This time the services to London Waterloo are running along the main lines from Basingstoke-London Waterloo. The result is quicker journey times, only roughly 1 hour longer than normal journey times to Paddington. Reading has the standard service in to the Southern platforms (4/5/6) and out of platform 2 there is 1tph to Basingstoke and 1tph to Bedywn, with every other train extended to Westbury. This will mean a very rare visit of Turbos to Westbury station.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: John R on December 30, 2012, 08:25:56 pm
    Thanks SS. I'm travelling back from Gatwick on the 30th March, but notice that services from London still appear to be via Reading. Do I assume that they have not yet reloaded the amended services yet?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on December 30, 2012, 08:32:16 pm
    Indeed, I'd expect the rest to be uploaded over the next couple of days.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: anthony215 on December 30, 2012, 10:09:10 pm
    Well I will be at Reading to get some pics of the class 165/166's at Westbury since its not something we see usually although after 2016 I think it will be more regular providing they can be cleared to work services from Bristol to Weymouth once they are displaced from the Thames Valley region


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on December 30, 2012, 10:28:19 pm
    Just to clean up those links a little and make it a tad easier to read by removing other TOCs (Only GW displays)
    Services from:
    • London Paddington (http://goo.gl/wzlFp)
    • London Waterloo (http://goo.gl/dWj8o)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on December 31, 2012, 12:26:10 am
    SWT's engineering work pages suggest that they have changes yet to be made as well, because they state that the normal Weybridge via Staines services are being cancelled for the period to provide extra stock and paths for a strengthened Reading service: 
    Quote
    On the Friday, Saturday and Monday a revised train service will run on routes from London Waterloo to Reading and to Windsor & Eton Riverside. This is to provide extra trains between London and Reading as the First Great Western route will be closed.

    On the Friday, Saturday and Monday there will be no train service for much of the day (about 0700 to 1930) between London Waterloo and Weybridge via Staines, as the trains are required for the above special service. During this time, replacement bus services will run between Virginia Water and Weybridge, calling at Chertsey and Addlestone.  Other stations on this route will be served by some of the altered Reading and Windsor trains.

    http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/MarEng2013.aspx#112618

    I expect a few things will become clearer over the next couple of weeks...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2012, 08:49:57 pm
    Not quite in view from any of the lobstervision.tv webcams, but the new connection at the western end of the station from Platform 8 (what will be the 'Down Main Loop') to the Down Main was also installed over the Christmas shutdown.  It looks like a fairly slow turnout of 25mph to me (compared with everything else installed so far which looks like 40mph) and cuts across what was the extreme end of Platform 8 and, prior to 2012, the connection into the old Platform 7 bay platform.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 31, 2012, 09:29:52 pm
    According to the Signalling Scheme Plan (final layout) its 50mph along the Down Main Loop and back to the Down Main (back up to 60mph) with a 40mph turnout to the Up Westbury.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2012, 09:49:54 pm
    According to the Signalling Scheme Plan (final layout) its 50mph along the Down Main Loop and back to the Down Main (back up to 60mph) with a 40mph turnout to the Up Westbury.

    Well, there's no way on earth that it'll be 50mph - I'll try and get a picture to demonstrate how sharp it is.  I suspect it's a temporary crossover pending further remodelling and a higher linespeed when all the bits of the jigsaw at the western end of the station are in place?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 31, 2012, 09:54:10 pm
    According to the Signalling Scheme Plan (final layout) its 50mph along the Down Main Loop and back to the Down Main (back up to 60mph) with a 40mph turnout to the Up Westbury.

    Well, there's no way on earth that it'll be 50mph - I'll try and get a picture to demonstrate how sharp it is.  I suspect it's a temporary crossover pending further remodelling and a higher linespeed when all the bits of the jigsaw at the western end of the station are in place?
    Does the turnout start over Caversham Road underbridge directly parallel with the existing turnout between Platforms No.1 and No.2?  That is where the final turnout will be located.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on December 31, 2012, 10:45:53 pm
    No, it starts before the western end of Platform 8 (a small section of which has been demolished if you see what I mean), then arcs over to the current Down Relief line joining it before (I think) the Caversham Road bridge, in a similar position to where the old Platform 7 line converged with the Down Relief.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on December 31, 2012, 11:30:33 pm
    ......so that looks like the temporary turnout (as numbered 5c and 10c) on the Easter 2013 track diagrams provided by your good self in a previous post.  Quite likely it is going to be used by all the Cross Country reversers (but not terminators):

    (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8300/7999400082_0bda0c45c6_b.jpg)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 01, 2013, 03:25:19 pm
    ......so that looks like the temporary turnout (as numbered 5c and 10c) on the Easter 2013 track diagrams provided by your good self in a previous post.  Quite likely it is going to be used by all the Cross Country reversers (but not terminators):

    Indeed it does, with the 05c and 10c being the distance in chains from MP36.  Took another look at it today and if anything it looks like 15mph not 25mph!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 02, 2013, 02:34:42 pm
    Quite likely then that the turnout from Platform 8 is going to connect with the old (existing Down Relief) to old Platform 7 turnout which was 15mph.  I won't be going through Reading for a few weeks yet so a photograph of that end would be nice to see (there seem to be lots of photographs on the www of the work at the London end but not much at the Country end).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 04:34:57 pm
    The routing via Oxford from Bristol gives me an option I didn't know I would ever see - all very interesting! I'm struggling with an acronym or abbreviation or two, though. I can see WTT in the list, but not VAR or STP. Nor HX or HC, although I figured those out for myself.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 02, 2013, 05:00:17 pm
    I think this might approximate to what happens:
    LTP 'is long term planning' - which is the normal timetable process that produces the WTT.
    STP is 'short term planning' - which is adjusting the former for those planned eventualities such as engineering work diversions. The short term deadline I believe is 12 weeks.
    VAR is minor 'variations' to the WTT e.g. anything that causes a slight adjustment to the WTT on a particular day, eg a planned re-platforming but calling at the same time as normal, and I think it also comes up for any emergencies on the day that stop that day's timetable from working;  so for example that would be your diversion via Westbury following a sudden landslip at Swindon.

    (The 12 week STP deadline is also closely related to why Advance fares are only available up until 12 weeks, by the way.)

    Corrections welcomed as always.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2013, 05:16:07 pm
    Corrections welcomed as always.

    Sounds like a spot-on assessment to me.  :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 05:24:10 pm
    Thanks, it makes sense. Doubtless one of our excellent mods will make any necessary addition to the acronyms page.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on January 02, 2013, 06:56:22 pm
    I think this might approximate to what happens:
    LTP 'is long term planning' - which is the normal timetable process that produces the WTT.
    STP is 'short term planning' - which is adjusting the former for those planned eventualities such as engineering work diversions. The short term deadline I believe is 12 weeks.
    VAR is minor 'variations' to the WTT e.g. anything that causes a slight adjustment to the WTT on a particular day, eg a planned re-platforming but calling at the same time as normal, and I think it also comes up for any emergencies on the day that stop that day's timetable from working;  so for example that would be your diversion via Westbury following a sudden landslip at Swindon.

    (The 12 week STP deadline is also closely related to why Advance fares are only available up until 12 weeks, by the way.)

    Corrections welcomed as always.

    Paul

    Paul, that is most interesting.  We have booked our Easyjet tickets for next May (Lisbon),  Late July (Bordeaux) and Split (September).  We chose Bristol a starting point because of the convenience of the car, and not being able to book a rail ticket (plus bus to Airport) if we wanted to.  This really belongs on the fares thread (sorry mods) but can you all see that whole tranches of revenue are being lost from we baby-boomer young retired people because The ATOC people can't book advance tickets?  If they could, we might have gone from Gatwick (Cardiff even) and saved the parking fee, etc.  One cannot compete with private car using unknown timetables and thus un-bookable mystery fares.   


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on January 02, 2013, 07:24:38 pm
    VAR is minor 'variations' to the WTT e.g. anything that causes a slight adjustment to the WTT on a particular day, eg a planned re-platforming but calling at the same time as normal, and I think it also comes up for any emergencies on the day that stop that day's timetable from working;  so for example that would be your diversion via Westbury following a sudden landslip at Swindon.
    Use of VAR paths does vary with different TOCs. FGW use VAR paths for some quite major changes such as Penzance-London services being diverted via Bristol. You also have VSTP paths, Very Short Term, which are generally input on the day for short notice alterations.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Super Guard on January 02, 2013, 09:02:51 pm
    Presumably the sleeper is despatched at Reading using RA indicators because of the lack of driver-guard communication, the CD indicators wouldn't be needed then either.

    Never seen the sleeper despatched at Reading so I'm not sure, but the RA indicators would make sense as I don't *think* there's a driver-guard buzzer on that stock. However it's also possible that it's despatched in the time-honoured way with the guard giving the driver a green flag (or green light, during darkness, fog or falling snow...). That is still the fallback method of despatch in the event of a buzzer/RA indicator failure, and all guards (should...) carry flags and a handlamp in case of need.

    Definitely no driver-guard on the MK3s or the 57s. Despatched using green flag, or green light in the winter, throughout Cornwall. Not sure if the RA indicators are used where installed at the bigger stations though. They use RA indicators at Redruth in the up direction because the 57 is stopped in the tunnel and it wouldn't be particularly easy for the driver to see a flag or light.

    I believe the rule is that RA equipment must be used where provided re: sleeper dispatch.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 03, 2013, 03:12:49 pm
    Colas Rail tamper working on the P14 track at the moment.

    A few weeks ago I suggested that progress with the ramps and steps outside the new Southern entrance might be quite rapid, and it seems that this afternoon they are starting to stand prefabricated concrete wall sections up that align with the rebar extending from the foundation slabs. (As seen on webcam 2/2)

    (By the way have any web cam watchers noticed that today seems to be the first day back for most of the workforce after an extended Christmas & New Year break?  That would suggest they are making acceptable overall progress...)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on January 03, 2013, 09:16:14 pm
    For anyone interested in how platform arrangements are going to work at Reading come the opening of the new platforms it's now possible to view them. Have a look at this link. (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=rdg&date=11%2F04%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=1&show_schedules=11&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1) New platforms 13 and 14 are divided in to A and B parts with Cross Country services terminating at Reading using B ends, and FGW services terminating from London using A ends. Fast country bound services will depart from Platforms 7, 8 and 9. Quite a change from everything using 7 as is the current situation.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: mjones on January 03, 2013, 09:33:41 pm
    Interesting. So, this appears to confirm that finishing p11 will be the first job. Will p10 then close to get the island completed?

    Also interesting to see North Downs services seem to be focused on p5, a pattern that seems to be in place now. Which I think is good, reducing passenger crowding that occurs at p4 with the quick turn around of these services.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 03, 2013, 10:47:35 pm
    For anyone interested in how platform arrangements are going to work at Reading come the opening of the new platforms it's now possible to view them. Have a look at this link. (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=rdg&date=11%2F04%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=1&show_schedules=11&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1) New platforms 13 and 14 are divided in to A and B parts with Cross Country services terminating at Reading using B ends, and FGW services terminating from London using A ends. Fast country bound services will depart from Platforms 7, 8 and 9. Quite a change from everything using 7 as is the current situation.

    I've posted about XC trains terminating in P13 and sharing with GW stoppers at the other end before, it was clearly stated in a NR Network Change notice a few months ago which I linked to, however this now seems to add confirmation that the platforms will be marked as A and B ends.  (Just like the way they use the island at Southampton for terminators, as came up in discussion before...)

    Edit:
    Remarkably, I just looked through the linked times for the whole day, filtered for XC only, and there seems to be an ECS, 5V82 from Eastleigh depot arriving at 0737, that reaches P13B by running through P8, then via New, Spur and Southern Junctions.  Am I right in thinking that means it would use the eastern underpass?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 03, 2013, 10:54:15 pm
    Interesting. So, this appears to confirm that finishing p11 will be the first job. Will p10 then close to get the island completed?

    Yes. This has been the expected plan for some while now, the date for P11 reopening is the end of August and P10 closes for upgrade about a week later. The exact dates are somewhere a few months back in this thread, page #56, although they were in the engineering access statement for 2013 when it first appeared back in 2011...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2013, 11:59:28 am
    (By the way have any web cam watchers noticed that today seems to be the first day back for most of the workforce after an extended Christmas & New Year break?  That would suggest they are making acceptable overall progress...)

    I took a look on Boxing Day and thought to myself that if I see workers there then they're in trouble!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2013, 12:05:57 pm
    Remarkably, I just looked through the linked times for the whole day, filtered for XC only, and there seems to be an ECS, 5V82 from Eastleigh depot arriving at 0737, that reaches P13B by running through P8, then via New, Spur and Southern Junctions.  Am I right in thinking that means it would use the eastern underpass?

    Looks like it.  Also several ECS moves from FGW planned to go that way.  A total of 11 trains a day according to the link - only one of which is a passenger train, the 06:08 Reading to Shalford.  An early start for the track bashers!  ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 04, 2013, 12:08:35 pm
    For anyone interested in how platform arrangements are going to work at Reading come the opening of the new platforms it's now possible to view them. Have a look at this link. (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced?location=rdg&date=11%2F04%2F2013&tocs=All&timespan=1&show_schedules=11&schedule_type=0&show_wtt=1&show_var=1&show_stp=1) New platforms 13 and 14 are divided in to A and B parts with Cross Country services terminating at Reading using B ends, and FGW services terminating from London using A ends. Fast country bound services will depart from Platforms 7, 8 and 9. Quite a change from everything using 7 as is the current situation.

    I've posted about XC trains terminating in P13 and sharing with GW stoppers at the other end before, it was clearly stated in a NR Network Change notice a few months ago which I linked to, however this now seems to add confirmation that the platforms will be marked as A and B ends.  (Just like the way they use the island at Southampton for terminators, as came up in discussion before...)

    Paul

    Yes, we discussed before how Padd- Rdng locals would be dealt with and whether any of the RL platforms would operate like the Southampton island platform.  I note from the track diagram posted a while back that there are no intermediate signals along P13 or P14 - I wonder how Drivers are supposed to know where they should stop? (ie in the middle of the platform under the canopy, or at the near or far end from where they are entering).

    And talking of canopies (sorry I know I've gone on before about this), the short canopied areas do not sit well with maybe a 5 car XC at one end, a 5 car Turbo at the other, and a canopied gap in the middle.  Still, sod the passengers, they can all get wet at Britain's newest station. 

    More seriously, most passenger injuries occur getting on and off trains, and these are more likely to occur on patforms open to the weather. 

    So I wonder if the A and B arrangement is just temporary.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2013, 12:19:47 pm
    Yes, we discussed before how Padd- Rdng locals would be dealt with and whether any of the RL platforms would operate like the Southampton island platform.  I note from the track diagram posted a while back that there are no intermediate signals along P13 or P14 - I wonder how Drivers are supposed to know where they should stop? (ie in the middle of the platform under the canopy, or at the near or far end from where they are entering).

    All signals controlling moves into 12/13/14 and 15 from either end are fitted with a position light signal (i.e. the two white lights), so I'm guessing that if you get a main aspect you stop in the centre of the platform and if you get a red and then two white lights then you stop at the relevant 'A' or 'B' end (short of any obstruction).  There have been murmurings of discontent with this system amongst drivers and driver managers.  I'll let you know more when I know more...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 04, 2013, 12:37:26 pm
    So how are the platforms divided up for Track Circuits?  How will the signaller know where the first train in to the platform has stopped, and whether there is room for the second train?

    a liitle later...  And how common is it for trains carrying passengers to be signalled under calling on signals, unless they're coupling up?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2013, 12:39:37 pm
    I don't know, but if and when I find out I'll post the details.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 04, 2013, 12:43:11 pm
    Thanks II, I'd be interested to know. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: John R on January 04, 2013, 01:31:39 pm
    a liitle later...  And how common is it for trains carrying passengers to be signalled under calling on signals, unless they're coupling up?

    Isn't this similar to the situation at Temple Meads, where trains frequently occupy the two sides of the same platform face? Though I don't know whether calling on signals are used, as the route indicators tell the driver which platform to stop at.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 04, 2013, 02:04:39 pm
    Only Platforms 12 to 15 will have divided train detection sections (the division being under the London End of the new link bridge).  There are strict rules on Calling On movements and the signalling controls can be quite complex.  Basically the entry signal should not be more than 800m from the point of obstruction.  In the new station layout there will be entry signals at the immediate ends of the platforms (back to back with the exit signals) and you can see this in the track layout diagrams posted above (I think that some of the new signals are erected already).  Thats not the end of it though as all such movements need to be risk assessed at the time of design to ensure the risks are ALARP (an example of this is the risk is increased if the platform is curved and the obstruction point cannot then been seen until late in the movement).  Generally these days the ORR is very strict about approving such controls but they must have approved these ones ::)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 04, 2013, 02:09:58 pm
    a liitle later...  And how common is it for trains carrying passengers to be signalled under calling on signals, unless they're coupling up?

    Isn't this similar to the situation at Temple Meads, where trains frequently occupy the two sides of the same platform face? Though I don't know whether calling on signals are used, as the route indicators tell the driver which platform to stop at.
    At BTM there are X signs to tell drivers where to stop.  You are correct that the main entry signals display the correct platform number (the X sign indicating the split point) and the display of a platform number beyond the X sign in the direction of travel is the drivers authority to pass the X sign (otherwise go to jail :P).  The Call On movements are controlled by a subsidiary aspect (two white lights at 45 degrees) on the entry signal and this gives authority to enter an occupied platform up to the X sign and, with the correct platform number displayed, beyond the X sign.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 04, 2013, 02:38:42 pm
    That letter about the Network Change for the new platforms coming into use (that I've linked to a couple of times now, eg post #887) mentions that the 12-15 roads will have 'closing up' signals.  Not a term in regular use as I recall, so are these different to what are normally described as calling on signals - or is it just a local term for the same, or indeed are these what SandTEngineer referred to as 'entry signals'?

    Regarding passenger moves through 'calling on' signals without coupling, I think this is fairly common isn't it?  As well as Southampton as previously discussed, I can think of it happening normally in the bays at Portsmouth and Southsea, and at Portsmouth Harbour too.  Familiarly known as 'top train working', an example is the FGW Cardiff service which at certain times of the day gets a SN train following it into the station and using the London end of the platform.   Mostly this seems to work without the sort of additional signs like they have at Bristol TM.

    Am I right in thinking trains always come to a stop at a Red before getting the calling on indication, so presumably that is the primary safety feature?

    Getting back to Southampton, as far as I can see trains entering platforms 2 and 3 in the down direction stop at the relevant stop marker to position them in the A end by default, but the signal indications seen by drivers of trains such as the terminating XC look the same as far as I can tell - I can only assume they run all the way through because that is what their diagram requires?
     
    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: CLPGMS on January 04, 2013, 02:59:44 pm
    The practice of allowing a second train into an already occupied platform was fairly common at Oxford, until, some years ago, when a Thames Trains' Turbo coming from the sidings, ran into the rear of a FGW HST.  Then the practice appeared to cease, except for Turbo coupling movements.  However, on occasions, it is still used, as it was on Friday 28th December, when the 1331 Turbo to Paddington was delayed in the platform while flooding ahead was being investigated.  The following CrossCountry Voyager was allowed to enter the platform behind the Turbo, so that its passengers could alight/board, rather than keeping it at the signal outside the station.  I think that a lot may depend on the combined length of the two trains compared with that of the platform.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 04, 2013, 03:01:55 pm
    'closing up' signals this i believe was a term in use on LT particularly on the Inner Rail at Victoria Circle Line. Whereby there were a series of signals close together on the approach to the station.

    If there was train already in the station then the following train would be slowed at each signal which would clear just in front of it. Thus in theory the following train kept rolling whilst the previous train departed and the platform was clear. If the platform wasn't clear the next train would stop just in the tunnel a few yards from the platform.

    i believe the system was removed some time ago.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on January 04, 2013, 03:18:07 pm
    Calling on at Oxford was reinstated for passenger movements about three years ago following a new risk assessment (the rules had changed since the accident - the starter signal now has to be at danger for call on to be allowed). It is used mostly during times of perturbation, as described by CLPGMS.

    The X signs at Bristol (known as St Andrew's Cross) are signals, not signs! When not illuminated, they are a stop signal, just like a red light, and passing them at danger counts as a Spad. The platform indicators on the approach signals are just that - indicators. They do not give authority to proceed past the St Andrew's Cross.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 04, 2013, 03:30:34 pm
    Calling on at Oxford was reinstated for passenger movements about three years ago following a new risk assessment (the rules had changed since the accident - the starter signal now has to be at danger for call on to be allowed). It is used mostly during times of perturbation, as described by CLPGMS.

    The X signs at Bristol (known as St Andrew's Cross) are signals, not signs! When not illuminated, they are a stop signal, just like a red light, and passing them at danger counts as a Spad. The platform indicators on the approach signals are just that - indicators. They do not give authority to proceed past the St Andrew's Cross.

    I think you may have misunderstood my wording (which I tried to keep simple for non-signalling posters on here).  The route indicator on the entry signal will either display the platform number on approach to the X sign (they are not signals and they are not lamp proved and therefore not proved alight in the entry signal controls) or that beyond it.  If the route indicator displays the latter then it is giving authority to pass the X Sign and I have travelled on many trains that do just that.  The Calling On aspect on the entry signal works exactly the same but tells the driver there is an obstruction in the relevant platform.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 04, 2013, 03:38:37 pm
    That letter about the Network Change for the new platforms coming into use (that I've linked to a couple of times now, eg post #887) mentions that the 12-15 roads will have 'closing up' signals.  Not a term in regular use as I recall, so are these different to what are normally described as calling on signals - or is it just a local term for the same, or indeed are these what SandTEngineer referred to as 'entry signals'?
    You are correct.  As I said before the controls are quite complex.  When the platform is obstructed then the signalling controls will hold the entry signal (the Inner Signal) at danger.  Because the obstruction is also occupying the overlap of the entry signal the next signal back on approach (the outer signal) will also be held at danger.  As the approaching trains reaches the outer signal it will clear to a single yellow.  This is known as the 'Warning Arrangement'.  When the approaching train reaches the entry signal and is proved to be under control the entry signal will clear with the Calling On (two white lights at 45 degrees) aspect giving authority for the train to proceed to the point of obstruction.  The entry signal once used to be described as the 'Closing Up Signal' as that is exactly what it allows.  I used the term 'Entry Signal' in an attempt to KISS for non-signalling forum members on here ::).

    Modern Calling On controls do not allow the exit signal to be cleared at the same time as the entry Calling On signal.  This is because when the train is moving up to the obstruction there have been instances in the past where the exiting train suddenly came to a halt and the following train thought it could carry on moving and then misjuged its braking and ran into the rear of it. :'(


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2013, 03:42:04 pm
    I think you may have misunderstood my wording (which I tried to keep simple for non-signalling posters on here).  The route indicator on the entry signal will either dispay the platform number on approach to the X sign (they are not signals and they are not lamp proved and therefore not proved alight in the entry signal controls) or that beyond it.  If the route indicator displays the latter then it is giving authority to pass the X Sign and I have travelled on many trains that do just that.  The Calling On aspect on the entry signal works exactly the same but tells the driver there is an obstruction in the relevant platform.

    That's right, number wise at the entry signal we were always told back in the old days that it was 'odd for the Oxford end' of the platform and 'even for the Exeter end' of the platform if arriving from the eastern direction.  The St. Andrews cross only acts as a sign to indicate where the two separate platforms are located.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 04, 2013, 04:02:28 pm
    So, at Reading, are there Platform Indicators on the entry signals to P12-P15 to tell the Driver where to stop if the platform is clear and he/she gets a green or yellow? If there are, do they say just A or B, or is there an option for "middle" ?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on January 04, 2013, 04:29:36 pm
    Its a few years now since I did my dispatch and guards training, but I clearly recall that the St Andrews Cross at Bristol was a signal, and not just a marker to split the platforms.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 04, 2013, 04:34:27 pm
    So, at Reading, are there Platform Indicators on the entry signals to P12-P15 to tell the Driver where to stop if the platform is clear and he/she gets a green or yellow? If there are, do they say just A or B, or is there an option for "middle" ?

    No route indicators so drivers have to use their judgment and crawl in very slowly ;)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2013, 04:52:19 pm
    Its a few years now since I did my dispatch and guards training, but I clearly recall that the St Andrews Cross at Bristol was a signal, and not just a marker to split the platforms.

    Although it is a signal, in the same way a painted red stop board in a depot is a signal, it is effectively just a marker point because the authority to pass it is given by the route indication at the entry signal as described in the posts above.  It is a very unusual method of working, unique perhaps?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on January 08, 2013, 04:00:17 am
    Interesting to see Reading station develop. Pre Christmas I would have thought things were looking good for Easter - but I am less sure now.

    Concrete forms for step/escalator access to western side of 14/15 are not complete.
    Metal structure for canapies missing on all new platform (some struts have gone in this week)
    At least 16 escalators need to be installed
    Finishing of platform buildings and canopy

    To me, that's ALOT of work.

    Also, has anyone else noted the additional line laid between the up and down reliefs? It starts by the cow lane bridge, off the Up RL, running half the length of the maintainence shed being built. I thought it was a turnback for terminating trains but the three lines are too close together for a walkway to be built for allowing a driver to change cabs.

    It is hinted at on the first diagram on post 55 - you can see the RLs are apart but the middle line is not showing.

    What is this line for (no connection at western end BTW) ?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 08, 2013, 10:15:47 am

    Also, has anyone else noted the additional line laid between the up and down reliefs? It starts by the cow lane bridge, off the Up RL, running half the length of the maintainence shed being built. I thought it was a turnback for terminating trains but the three lines are too close together for a walkway to be built for allowing a driver to change cabs.

    It is hinted at on the first diagram on post 55 - you can see the RLs are apart but the middle line is not showing.

    I don't think anyone has welcomed lbraine to the forum yet, so I will.

    I'm sure the station work is still on schedule.  There's no way they would have had a ten day shutdown over the Christmas and New Year period otherwise.  The optimists amongst us have discussed stuff like the escalators only a few pages ago...

    Edited to add:  Webcam 1 view 3 shows the concrete panels for the 14/15 escalators growing by the day, and what looks like the final prefabricated sections have been delivered to site.  That'll take a few days to fit together.

    The west end track layout is very much in transition, because in the interim they have to leave space for four tracks (two mains and two reliefs) in the space between the flyover worksite and the depot.  So effectively the reliefs are roughly about two tracks north of their final location all the way along past the sidings until the four tracks slew back across onto the normal layout (as suggested by the first track drawing you refer to.  Once the flyover is built the mains will move southwards onto the flyover, and one of the temporary reliefs becomes an up direction good loop, and IIRC there is a parallel track that is primarily for depot and sidings access.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 08, 2013, 10:22:04 am
    As a layman, but a frequent traveller through Reading, I am often suprised at how things look like they may be ready on time and then everything slots into place.

    On a smaller scale, I seem to remember similar discussions about (the new) P4 and then P5 and P6 which from memory were completed and brought into service on time.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on January 08, 2013, 10:43:50 pm
    I was concerned that there was a lot of work to do on the south side before the new underpass could be used, which I assume needs to be by 1st March?

    The use of precast modular construction for the ramps is certainly fast and I am sure these will be done in time now, but the plan shows steps from the entrance of the underpass up towards the station building. These seem to be under the blue site huts.  Do we know when these will be moved?

    There still seems a lot of work to do before 1st March if this entrance is to be in use by then.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 09, 2013, 10:44:55 am
    I'm with Paul on this one.  An extended Xmas break for the workers suggests all is well within hand.  I'm sure there'll be the odd snagging works to do here and there after opening, but Easter is still a fair way away - eleven weeks should be plenty of time.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on January 09, 2013, 06:36:02 pm
    To an outsider looking in to a project it can often seem illogical why things are done in the order they are and can seem madness that something is not happening on part of the site that seems dormant.  There will be very detailed plans in place there are a number of activities that done mix and have to be kept separated, also contract strategy comes into play don't want lots of staff sitting around doing nowt. 

    All large projects have to go through a risk review at 11 weeks to go the Reading project teams will have had a 12 week go no-go assessment, there are a number of other assessments the next key one will be 6 weeks, this not held at 6 weeks but a week or so before.  After 6 weeks there is a 4 week and the 2 week at which stage they can go to daily.

    There   


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: johngreg on January 10, 2013, 12:50:46 pm
    I was lucky to go on a site visit of the Reading station works in late November (purely as a "tourist") The introduction presentations, and the site itself underline the scale of the job and emphasised to me the last posting about the projects, within projects and all the timetabled checks. The number of different contractors on site during my time there and the obvious co-ordination of them was very impressive.

    Thank-you to the FGW staff that arranged the visit.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 10, 2013, 12:52:20 pm
    Another point is that the definition of 'finished' is fairly flexible.  Some of the detailed finishing touches might not be made by early April - I suppose the opposite sort of thing to removing the roofs from original platforms while they were still open, for example.

    As long as the new parts of the station are safe for passenger use, there's no need for them to be at absolute 100% completion, 99% might be good though!

    Similarly outside the station south side, are the alterations to the old bus station area by Reading BC included in 'completed', or by early March (when the car park link closes) will NR and others only have to provide a safe route through a building site controlled by those others?  Potentially passengers affected might have to turn right and walk to the end of the ramps, then double back towards the station.  (By the way the first prefabricated step sections are going in this afternoon...)

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 10, 2013, 01:57:30 pm
    As long as the new parts of the station are safe for passenger use, there's no need for them to be at absolute 100% completion, 99% might be good though!

    Hence my comment on snagging works.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on January 10, 2013, 10:01:01 pm
    Similarly outside the station south side, are the alterations to the old bus station area by Reading BC included in 'completed', or by early March (when the car park link closes) will NR and others only have to provide a safe route through a building site controlled by those others?  Potentially passengers affected might have to turn right and walk to the end of the ramps, then double back towards the station. 

    A diagram of the walking route is now shown on the FGW website (http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/~/media/Reading%20Station%20access.ashx)

    Looks very direct, but then it is only a diagram.

    Also lists what services will use each platform.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on January 11, 2013, 12:43:19 am
    Makes you wonder who the leaflet is aimed at when it mentions Up and Down trains - to say nothing of freight trains on platforms 12 and 15!   ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 11, 2013, 12:54:07 am
    Seems a lot simpler than what the online train times sites are showing...

    Eg XC are down for 8,9,10,13 & 14 at various times. Nothing about 13/14 being split either...

    Suggesting the Paddington stoppers all go from P13 will be quite amusing for people stood there watching the next one leave from P14...  ???

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on January 11, 2013, 12:56:04 am
    Yes I agree Bobm, perhaps if up and down were defined somewhere or were maybe something slightly more common sense like North/South East/West London/Penzance etc.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 11, 2013, 12:00:22 pm
    Two comments on that web page:

    1) Up to 15 minutes extra - that's an extraordinary amount of time to allow for that walk, even if you are at the top of the multi-storey and want to board a train at the extreme end of Platform 4! Hopefully the actual difference in practice will be less than 5 minutes. 
    2) It seems to hint that only part of the transfer deck will be opening after Easter with access to Platforms 1-7 still via the subway.  Or am I reading that incorrectly?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on January 11, 2013, 12:13:54 pm
    Yes I agree Bobm, perhaps if up and down were defined somewhere or were maybe something slightly more common sense like North/South East/West London/Penzance etc.

    Perhaps with all this recent publicity (NR 2014 - 2109 plans, tube 150, floods, etc) they think we are all rail buffs now. 

    Could be.  In Reading we always said 'up to London' when we lived there, as we have wherever we lived in the West Country.

    I see FGW apparently thinks the WoE is west of Castle Cary whereas in Bath, Weston, Thornbury (and to a much, much, lesser extent College Green) they think it's the greater Bristol area.  By the way I had to look up where the pulsating centre of South Glos was to find out it was the vibrant metropolis of Thornbury (shortly to be rail connected it must be acknowledged).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 11, 2013, 12:21:05 pm
    Two comments on that web page:
     
    2) It seems to hint that only part of the transfer deck will be opening after Easter with access to Platforms 1-7 still via the subway.  Or am I reading that incorrectly?

    I agree it looks odd the way they've written that bit.  It implies an absolutely massive problem for interchanging if they are correct.  Perhaps they are basing it on starting from the north side it will be slightly quicker to go that way rather than all the way up and over the transfer deck, and then down to ground level again?   ???

    An alternative possibility - perhaps it really only applies to the period between Tuesday 2nd and Monday 8th April, when the entire service is being run through P12-15, and P8-11 will all be closed?  After all the second diagram is captioned 'fully operational from 8th April' at the top...

    Daftest aspect of the first drawing (that I think we've failed to mention so far) is that they've probably started with an existing sketch and adapted the Vastern Rd bridge to become the existing footbridge. Hence it being shown passing over the far ends of the Southern platforms and the new junctions?   

    Paul



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: John R on January 11, 2013, 12:37:17 pm
    Makes you wonder who the leaflet is aimed at when it mentions Up and Down trains - to say nothing of freight trains on platforms 12 and 15!   ;D

    I think it's reasonably explicit in stating "from Didcot direction" or similar, in addition to the use of up or down. Though maybe wouldn't get the crystal mark for plain English. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: animationmilo on January 13, 2013, 02:14:00 am
    Are they still diverting trains via Banbury on weekend 5th to 8th April?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 13, 2013, 11:30:15 am
    Are they still diverting trains via Banbury on weekend 5th to 8th April?

    Yes,

    The trouble is that for closset track bashers like me who have still not done the Foxhall curve, livng East of Reading  means you have to get to Padd, which I not sure you can do from Slough this Easter, and then go right through to Swindon.

    I've also still  got to do Yeovil Pen Mill - Yeovil Jn. The railtour that was meant to do it missed it out through lack of pilotman. It was Charing Cross to Weymouth and back to Waterloo, all the way along the coast.

    On the lighter side how many reversals. But they were easy 33's and TC's.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 13, 2013, 11:42:04 am
    The FGW document states "..........will be able to follow a specially-marshalled walking route.....".  Does this mean that it will be guided walk through what will still be a building worksite (looks likely from the webcams).  This could add to the time as there may have to be single line working with one staff member taking people through in groups ;D :D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on January 13, 2013, 12:05:54 pm
    The trouble is that for closset track bashers like me who have still not done the Foxhall curve, livng East of Reading  means you have to get to Padd, which I not sure you can do from Slough this Easter, and then go right through to Swindon.

    Now I know why I moved to Swindon!   ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: adc82140 on January 13, 2013, 12:34:27 pm
    Having read the document I reckon they're just covering their backsides by stating 15 minutes extra, so no-one tries to claim compensation if they miss their train. They also have to consider a worst case scenario- someone trying to get access with a bike, pushchair and a double bass  ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 13, 2013, 12:36:25 pm
    It is surprising and depressing that FGW should produce such a poorly designed document as that on access routes from 28th February.  It's full of errors, omissions and inconsistencies, some of which have been mentioned on these pages.  Before publication it should have been tested on a sample of Jo Publics - this would have ensured that errors etc could have been revealed and corrected first.

    According to the second diagram, if I arrive on P7 on a fast from Padd after 29th March and want to get my stopper to Pangbourne, I'm supposed to leave the station by the western entrance, use the subway, re-enter the station by the northen entrance, and then go down to P12.  It may be this is only a temporary arrangment until 8th April, but I can't tell from the diagrams.  

    Of course it may be that the existing footbridge has got "forgotten" in the second diagram.  Common sense would seem to point to the existing footbridge (albeit with the link to the car park cut off) staying open until the new footbridge is complelety open.





    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Louis94 on January 13, 2013, 01:25:01 pm
    Are they still diverting trains via Banbury on weekend 5th to 8th April?

    Only on Sunday 7th and Monday 8th.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 13, 2013, 04:14:06 pm
    The new (temporary) Whitehouse Junction is being installed over this and next Sunday.  Whitehouse Junction is at the very western end of the new depot and will (from Easter) mean that the main lines close, the relief lines become the 'new' main lines and the goods line become the 'new' relief lines.  The map on page #55 of this thread explains that much better than I just have!

    As a result both this and next Sunday passenger trains are using the goods loops - thought I'd mention that just in case there's any track bashers out there!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 13, 2013, 04:19:45 pm
    Another strange paragraph here:

    Quote
    http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/About-Us/Rail-improvements/Reading-station-improvements

    "Reading Station will be open for South West Trains services (Platforms 4&5), and FGW North Downs services (Platform 2) ^ closed Sunday 07 April"

    Have they probably accidentally chopped a bit out of the draft information, surely it's Newbury and Basingstoke stoppers that are using P2, and North Downs will use P4/5 as normal?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 14, 2013, 02:10:32 pm
    ...According to the second diagram, if I arrive on P7 on a fast from Padd after 29th March and want to get my stopper to Pangbourne, I'm supposed to leave the station by the western entrance, use the subway, re-enter the station by the northen entrance, and then go down to P12.  It may be this is only a temporary arrangment until 8th April, but I can't tell from the diagrams. 

    That's another part of the problem - they've provided info about how to get to P7 unnecessarily, as a check of the timetable for the whole 10 day period shows that P7 is out of use throughout (as are P8/9/10/11) and your hypothetical connection will not be a problem, as all down trains will be using the new island.   

    It's fair to say they've let a lot of poor information out into the wild without thoroughly checking it...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 14, 2013, 04:41:54 pm
    That's a fair point, Paul, so it looks to be OK if your arriving at Reading from Padd.  But for passengers arriving on P1-P6 (which are open over Easter) how will they get to P12-P15 for an onward connection?  Is the existing footbridge open or not?

    ..later  ie use old foot bridge to P8/9 or P10/11 then walk down platform to use new footbridge to P12-P15.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 14, 2013, 06:49:03 pm

    It's fair to say they've let a lot of poor information out into the wild without thoroughly checking it...

    Paul

    Will the person/people responsible get a "Please Explain.." memo like a Driver would get?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on January 15, 2013, 12:15:52 am
    www.therailengineer.com/2013/01/08/reading-remodelling-takes-shape

    Interesting article (but a few details wrong...)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 15, 2013, 02:29:09 pm
    They seem to be really flying along with the access ramps by the south end of the station subway today, a whole load of additional pre-fabricated sections have been placed this morning.  They are also backfilling behind the inner 'wall' against the building foundations.  So, given fair weather, I predict that'll be ready for the finishing trades by this time next week... 

    Likewise the last few bits of the P14/15 stair and escalator walls have appeared over the last couple of days. 

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on January 18, 2013, 10:54:59 am
    So, given fair weather...

    ;) Indeed - the webcams look most impressive at the moment.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 18, 2013, 11:19:16 am
    So, given fair weather...

    ;) Indeed - the webcams look most impressive at the moment.

    Ah, you didn't know the bit out the front is to be the start of the new Bobsleigh course then?   ;D

    I'm somewhat surprised to see there's concrete being pumped in at the moment though, they seem to have been doing the roof over the subway extension, and the top of the steps.  Seems to have started snowing as they were getting towards the end of the job, but I wonder if they should have even started given the forecast.   

    Any concrete boffins out there?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: broadgage on January 18, 2013, 11:36:41 am
    Concrete cures more slowly at low temperatures, and does not cure at all at very low temperatures.
    Large masses are often OK since the curing process produces a certain amount of heat. Small masses of concrete such as thin floor slabs laid onto a frosty subsurface may fail to cure properly or at all.
    Conditions at Reading at present though snowy are probably not that cold, maybe just below freezing.

    To a certain extent, matters may be improved by storing the materials in a warm building and by use of warm water to mix the concrete.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: TonyK on January 18, 2013, 09:55:15 pm
    I saw this picture on twitter. I assume the tweeter wants it published to the entire universe, and that he / it /she holds the copyright, because I have not received an answer to my question re the same. Viewer advisory is discretionary, and let me know if you don't want it posted here.

    So busy with the legals, I forgot where I was. Here's a picture from Reading:

    (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/Boyamijealous_7108a707/Reading_zpsfd4054ac.jpeg)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Ollie on January 18, 2013, 10:38:35 pm
    I'm sure Mark won't mind. I retweeted on both my account and the FGW account and it got several retweets from that.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on January 19, 2013, 11:15:11 am
    Must get down to Reading soon there's a lot going on which I need to catch up with.

    Can couple it with a visit to the Hobgoblin and the Pie Shop.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on January 19, 2013, 11:34:29 am
    the Pie Shop.

    Are you referring to Sweeney & Todds in Castle Street?  Excellent tucker there.  Meanwhile the Hobgoblin is now known as the Alehouse.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on January 19, 2013, 03:45:56 pm
    I'm sure Mark won't mind. I retweeted on both my account and the FGW account and it got several retweets from that.

    Ollie, when i wrote here to you about your photos, as a newbie, I had no idea you were an employee, so just to say how grateful I was for the captions, and thank you for taking all this trouble to keep us informed. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 22, 2013, 10:50:03 pm
    I'm not sure if we've discussed it, and I personally only spotted it when the physical signal was installed the other week, but there is a turnback signal being installed on the down relief at Tilehurst station (TR1760).  An interesting addition to the signalling flexibility - I'm guessing it is to facilitate the easy reversal of services to allow trains via Southcote Junction that want to call at Reading, to do so at weekends whilst the dive under and track layout is altered over the coming years?  Can't think of any other purpose to it (though it might be useful when things are not going to plan!).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on January 22, 2013, 11:38:39 pm
    There's four service a day reversing at Tilehurst from the 2nd-5th April, the week when only the new Relief line platforms are open at Reading. Will these perhaps use it? Service btw are:
    1K71 0520 Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00266/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1A72 0604 Frome-London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00041/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1C91 1703 London Paddington-Paignton (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00158/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1C94 1800 London Paddington-Exeter St Davids (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00162/2013/04/02/advanced)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Ollie on January 23, 2013, 02:25:02 am
    I'm sure Mark won't mind. I retweeted on both my account and the FGW account and it got several retweets from that.

    Ollie, when i wrote here to you about your photos, as a newbie, I had no idea you were an employee, so just to say how grateful I was for the captions, and thank you for taking all this trouble to keep us informed. 

    No problem. I know I still haven't fully captioned them, one thing after another gets in the way. Hope you liked the photos though :)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: grahame on January 23, 2013, 06:41:59 am
    1K71 0520 Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00266/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1A72 0604 Frome-London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00041/2013/04/02/advanced)

    Taking over an hour each, I note, from Reading West to Paddington, with just one intermediate public stop at Reading [General].


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 23, 2013, 10:56:40 am
    There's four service a day reversing at Tilehurst from the 2nd-5th April, the week when only the new Relief line platforms are open at Reading. Will these perhaps use it? Service btw are:
    1K71 0520 Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00266/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1A72 0604 Frome-London Paddington (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00041/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1C91 1703 London Paddington-Paignton (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00158/2013/04/02/advanced)
    1C94 1800 London Paddington-Exeter St Davids (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P00162/2013/04/02/advanced)

    Yes, I'm sure they will.  Thanks for providing those details.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on January 24, 2013, 03:14:14 pm
    February issue of Modern Railways has just arrived and in it there is an excellent article on the Reading redevelopment.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on January 27, 2013, 06:52:52 am
    The new platforms yesterday. No escalators in situ yet (note the lack of stair access to the new platforms.

    Platform 11 edge profile half completed, due to current lift shaft working being in the way (does any one know how the is going to be resolved ? You can't complete P 11 without access to P 10 being removed. In fact track at London end of P12 cannot be laid as current P 11 terminating bay is too close to P12 alignment. Given P10/11 are the main lines platforms to London (eventually) these works do look like the potential bottleneck.

    Platform 12 surface not completed. No light fittings on any of the new platform fittings or structures.

    It's going to be a race over the next half a dozen weeks to complete this work!! And the remaining lack of escalators (8 for sure, 12 including P10/11) and the required commissioning time....

    My bet will be that platforms open with just one side being open with escalators


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on January 27, 2013, 09:21:12 am
    Platform 11 isn't opening at Easter so no problem with it not being completed.  The old bay Platform 11 closes at the start of the blockade so (with the footbridge span going four weeks before) that gives time to demolish the existing Platform 10/11 access and lay the new track through Platform 12.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 27, 2013, 10:45:36 am
    FGW have made a few changes to their walking route plan we discussed a few pages back.  It's now showing the new footbridge fully open from 29 March with all platforms accessible from both entrances - before it appeared to show no access across the footbridge between P7 and P8.  And it would be clearer if the text block on the 29 March onwards Drawing stating "New west entrance with access to all platforms" was below P1/2 and not next to the subway entrance.

    Still, it's better than it was before.  I now know how I get from P6 (which seems to have its tracks removed) to P12 over Easter.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on January 27, 2013, 01:15:00 pm
    The new platforms yesterday. No escalators in situ yet (note the lack of stair access to the new platforms.

    If you look on the webcams on the other side the escalator for Platforms 14/15 was lifted in last night. The others are also just visible on that side.


    Platform 11 isn't opening at Easter so no problem with it not being completed.  The old bay Platform 11 closes at the start of the blockade so (with the footbridge span going four weeks before) that gives time to demolish the existing Platform 10/11 access and lay the new track through Platform 12.

    But surely access is still needed to Platform 10 from the new bridge transfer deck.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 27, 2013, 03:30:04 pm
    The part of the platform 11 surface under the transfer deck is completed though - and that's where the access to platform 10 will have to be. There has been far more progress behind the hoardings at the west end of the P10/11 island - it's clearly the main reason P10 was built out temporarily in the first place.

    Regarding the perceived lack of stair access though, mentioned earlier by lbraine, islands 10/11, 12/13 and 14/15 only get a single staircase on the west (country) side of the transfer deck, (each island except 8/9 having 3 escalators of which 2 are on the London side), and all these stairs are in position already - P14/15 was only installed recently but the other two were much earlier.  So even in the unlikely event of all the escalators not being ready, they'll have stairs available - and although we have no idea how they are doing with the lifts either, why is there so much doubt that they can get the escalators installed anyway?  As we discussed a few months back, just because London Underground take months (if not years) to replace escalators has no relevance to a clean installation of a new escalator...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on January 27, 2013, 09:50:29 pm
    Thanks for the information about the escalators.

    I was not aware that only the London side of the transfer deck was getting escalators. My concern was based on the observation that to get 2 escalators in place on the London side of P8/9 has taken nearly 4 weeks - and I extrapolated that metric for all the others.

    I wasn't try to voice a concern - just an observation.

    I did notice that the width of the opening for P8/9 was wider than P10/11. I thought it was strange that the platforms handling the bulk of the fast trains to London seemed to have no more (or less) capacity to move people up and down to the transfer lines than the new relief platforms.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jonty on January 27, 2013, 09:51:48 pm
    Had a look in to the boarded up bits in 8/9 on Thursday and engineers were busy installing the escalator treads on the eastern side of the deck.

    On an unrelated subject does anyone know why the embankment wall on the Northern side of the lines, just before the Vastern Road Bridge, 'juts' out.

    Previously the old wall ran straight until it reached the old pumping(?) building, which of course has now been demolished.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on January 27, 2013, 09:55:01 pm
    Thanks for the information about the escalators.

    I was not aware that only the London side of the transfer deck was getting escalators. My concern was based on the observation that to get 2 escalators in place on the London side of P8/9 has taken nearly 4 weeks - and I extrapolated that metric for all the others.

    I wasn't try to voice a concern - just an observation.

    I did notice that the width of the opening for P8/9 was wider than P10/11. I thought it was strange that the platforms handling the bulk of the fast trains to London seemed to have no more (or less) capacity to move people up and down to the transfer lines than the new relief platforms.

    I think you may have misunderstood.

    On the London side there will be two escalators
    On the country side there will one escalator (presumably up) and one set of stairs

    On the Country side where the roof has not previously been fitted the escalator has been dropped in in what looks like a single unit before the roof was put on.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 27, 2013, 11:04:59 pm
    I did notice that the width of the opening for P8/9 was wider than P10/11. I thought it was strange that the platforms handling the bulk of the fast trains to London seemed to have no more (or less) capacity to move people up and down to the transfer lines than the new relief platforms.

    ellendune has reiterated what I posted that there are three escalators on the three islands, thanks.

    P8/P9 is effectively larger than needed by accident, because it was sized to include the two bays, the old 6&7.  But that doesn't necessarily mean P10/11 is too narrow.  In any case the maximum flow on a platform will be that following a westbound arrival - and P8/9 will be able to deal with trains emptying out on both sides at once.  People arriving at the station to get on an up departure on P10/11 do not arrive in whole trainloads, but at random intervals.  That is probably the reason why P8/9 is getting four escalators and two stairs.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 27, 2013, 11:10:07 pm
    On an unrelated subject does anyone know why the embankment wall on the Northern side of the lines, just before the Vastern Road Bridge, 'juts' out.

    Previously the old wall ran straight until it reached the old pumping(?) building, which of course has now been demolished.

    I don't think everything was demolished - the last time I looked (before it became hidden) I'm fairly sure that some of the brickwork that formed various accesses under the embankment was still in place.  I assumed they left it because they didn't want to excavate under the operational railway, but that's just thinking aloud really...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on January 28, 2013, 08:28:50 pm
    Lights on at country end of new platform gantry.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 30, 2013, 12:39:06 pm
    A number of posts over the recent weeks have suggested that the track through P12 under the existing footbridge cannot be installed until the first weekend of the blockade, but I now have some doubt about whether this is correct, as sleepers are being laid today through the space between the existing P10 lift shaft brickwork, and the face of P12.

    (I did think earlier that as viewed from the end of P11 there doesn't seem much of a width problem.  What is known to be a conflict is the old footbridge's mid point supporting legs - these have to go in order to complete the platform surface.)

    http://www.lobstervision.tv/nrreading01#   webcam 1/1

    By the way that link should take you straight to the webcam site without having to enter the double password, I don't know if anyone else has discovered this?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on January 30, 2013, 12:42:40 pm
    http://www.lobstervision.tv/nrreading01#   webcam 1/1

    By the way that link should take you straight to the webcam site without having to enter the double password, I don't know if anyone else has discovered this?

    I have now! Thanks.  And, I agree with your comments regarding P12.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on January 31, 2013, 10:59:36 am
    Rails installed overnight alongside P12, at least west of the existing footbridge - be interesting to hear how far towards the London end they go if anyone is passing through the station later?

    Another webcam observation (from cam 01/3) is that there appears to be metalwork being fastened to the bare concrete face of the west side stairs and escalator housing on P14/15.  Likewise around the lift shafts under the transfer deck.  Hopefully this means there'll be some sort of architectural cladding over the bare concrete, which I hadn't expected before now. Should improve the finished product though...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on January 31, 2013, 01:21:54 pm
    There was a large amount of digging going on at the far western end of P8/P9 yesterday evening, quite why I could not tell.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on January 31, 2013, 06:58:33 pm
    Cladding rails are certainly present on lift shafts on P8/7 and new platforms. Not 10/11 due to lack of space.

    Some bricks for new platform surface laid by new escalator shaft on P8/9

    Some platform roof frames now started on country end of P10/11


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Timmer on February 02, 2013, 07:38:42 am
    Timetables for the Easter period are now available on the FGW website Reading Station Improvements page:
    http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Your-journey/Rail-improvements/Reading-station-improvements


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 02, 2013, 11:22:37 am
    Rails installed overnight alongside P12, at least west of the existing footbridge - be interesting to hear how far towards the London end they go if anyone is passing through the station later?

    I changed trains there yesterday morning and did have time for a quick look. As far as I could see (it was raining hard at the time) it is connected in at the London end.

    Another webcam observation (from cam 01/3) is that there appears to be metalwork being fastened to the bare concrete face of the west side stairs and escalator housing on P14/15.  Likewise around the lift shafts under the transfer deck.  Hopefully this means there'll be some sort of architectural cladding over the bare concrete, which I hadn't expected before now. Should improve the finished product though...

    Saw at close quarters - the metalwork is indeed fixings for some sort of cladding.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on February 02, 2013, 12:17:13 pm
    Timetables for the Easter period are now available on the FGW website Reading Station Improvements page:
    http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Your-journey/Rail-improvements/Reading-station-improvements

    Well thats a good start.  Page 4 in the West of England timetable is blank >:( ::) :P


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on February 02, 2013, 12:42:21 pm
    Timetables for the Easter period are now available on the FGW website Reading Station Improvements page:
    http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Your-journey/Rail-improvements/Reading-station-improvements

    Thanks - booked my Good Friday trip from Swindon to Westbury via Banbury and Waterloo!!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 04, 2013, 04:40:40 pm
    Rails installed overnight alongside P12, at least west of the existing footbridge - be interesting to hear how far towards the London end they go if anyone is passing through the station later?

    I changed trains there yesterday morning and did have time for a quick look. As far as I could see (it was raining hard at the time) it is connected in at the London end.


    Thanks for checking.   :)

    I also had a look today from the footbridge, and I've attached a quick phone picture, which also shows how well the future down relief 'lines up' with P12.  In my (totally unqualified) opinion, the P11 track does seem to get quite close to it - I doubt a train would be allowed through P12 yet.  Having said that, it was also a rumour about the new P4 and P5 at one stage during that construction, but it turned out not to be the case.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Southern Stag on February 05, 2013, 10:42:45 pm
    There's been a lot of talk about the escalators on the new footbridge on here so I got a quick photo from 8/9 yesterday of the new escalators in place, looks like two escalators and stairs on this side.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 06, 2013, 12:15:55 pm
    That's right, as per the plans P8/P9 is the only island with four escalators and two staircases.

    What I thought when on P8/P9, is that with the views available at the moment behind the hoardings you really do start to get an idea of how much circulating space there is?

    The open space along the length of the platform, both in the two areas between the foot of the escalators and the platform buildings, and under the transfer deck around the lift shafts, will be huge.  It also occurred to me that when P9/P10 is complete it too will have more than enough space for waiting passengers.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 06, 2013, 05:56:22 pm
    I do agree: I too was at Reading yesterday afternoon having come non-stop on an HST from Bristol Parkway (but that's another story).  Whatever I've said about the uncanopied areas (which I stand by), there are indeed large and spacious canopied areas on P12/13 and P14/15 under the new footbridge and adjacent to the escalators and stair wells. 

    Just hope that trains stopping outside the canopied areas are the exception rather than the rule. 



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on February 07, 2013, 08:34:48 am
    Observed this AM: the new lines laid across the new Cow Lane bridge by the new depot have been removed. Includes ballast and membranes laid. Bare concrete of tunnel roof once again visible.

    Anyone know why ?

    Signalling on London side looks energised, including North South link.

    Platform roofing panels going up both side of escalator/stairs on P10/11 are advanced, P12/13 has started country end.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on February 07, 2013, 12:47:55 pm
    Picked up printed timetable at Taplow for Easter and following weekend.

    If you travelling locally East of Westbury or Didcot you will basically be on a bus for part or even all of the journey.

    We are  marroned in both directions at Taplow with just a shuttle train  with buses West of Maidenhead and East of Slough over Easter.

    The following weekend we can't get West of Maidenhead


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 08, 2013, 10:23:34 am
    There was quite a major change to the roofing progress last night, a significant section of the sloping roof over the P12/13 country side staircase and escalator has been installed, and many of the gaps in the P10/11 roof cladding are nearly all closed as well.

    I wonder if the rest of the roof will start appearing quickly now - there's also more of the main steelwork support structure appeared recently on the London side of the same areas.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 08, 2013, 10:44:57 am
    Observed this AM: the new lines laid across the new Cow Lane bridge by the new depot have been removed. Includes ballast and membranes laid. Bare concrete of tunnel roof once again visible.

    Anyone know why ?

    I noticed that, too.  Not sure why.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 09, 2013, 02:28:27 pm
    A very large crane has appeared and large escalators for the London side of platforms 10/11, 12/13 or 14/5. Could they deliver and lift all in in one session?



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 09, 2013, 05:10:07 pm
    I think that might be a reasonable assumption - I doubt they'd want to hire a crane like that too often if at all possible.  When I saw it at first I wondered if it would be to take down the tower crane - that will need a mobile eventually I imagine.

    I still expect that one of these weeks there'll be a sudden surge in activity! As I noted in that earlier post ^^ the roof sections can go on quite quickly once the frame is complete...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: BerkshireBugsy on February 09, 2013, 05:12:42 pm
    I have decided to take leave the week after Easter but I imagine I will see quite a difference when I restart my daily journey through Reading the week after!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 09, 2013, 06:14:16 pm
    I think that might be a reasonable assumption - I doubt they'd want to hire a crane like that too often if at all possible.  When I saw it at first I wondered if it would be to take down the tower crane - that will need a mobile eventually I imagine.

    I still expect that one of these weeks there'll be a sudden surge in activity! As I noted in that earlier post ^^ the roof sections can go on quite quickly once the frame is complete...

    Paul

    I expect they wanted to lift all the escalators in on the London side before they started doing the roof sections, so once they have done that they could get on quite quickly.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 10, 2013, 12:38:46 pm
    Looking at the scene just now, it looks like only the P14/15 escalators can be lifted whole, further lifts seem to be of sections of escalator.  That would imply the next island is still out of reach for that mobile crane once the greater load of a whole machine needs lifting.

    Presumably every ground level delivery or crane lift is given its own cost analysis dependent on distance etc - I remember it being pointed out that some of the escalator sections for P8/9 were delivered across the tracks from the south entrance during overnight line closures.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 10, 2013, 01:23:12 pm
    Looks like that crane won't reach P10/11 so they will have to be lifted in the same way they did P8/9


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 10, 2013, 02:09:52 pm
    There's an escalator fit progressing in the P10/11 housing just now, (seen on webcam 1/2 about 1400 on 10th) and working back through the webcam history it looks like it was delivered in bits yesterday, using tracked lifting devices moving along the P11 trackbed.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on February 10, 2013, 05:33:11 pm
    Escalator going into P14/15 London side today


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on February 10, 2013, 05:34:12 pm
    Nearly done...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 10, 2013, 07:25:40 pm
    Distinct lack of progress this afternoon.  They put one piece of the P12/13 escalator, lifted the next piece up, then left it hanging there for a long time before putting it down and have done nothing with the crane since.

    If they had finished with the crane I am sure they would have taken it away, so I guess something is not going to plan.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 10, 2013, 08:10:39 pm
    Weather problems?  Might just be the wind speed, especially if they are trying to accurately position stuff?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 10, 2013, 08:30:28 pm
    No much wind here, but am 45 miles to the west.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 10, 2013, 08:55:44 pm
    Seem to have started lifting again now (with another truck load of gear) as at 2050...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 10, 2013, 09:02:56 pm
    Yes do now seem to be off loading the truck that has been waiting there since lunchtime. I am sure the driver is most relieved. There is another one queued up on camera 3 though.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on February 10, 2013, 09:40:06 pm
    Could they have exceed their time under the Control of Pollution Act 1974 Section 61


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 10, 2013, 10:46:01 pm
    Or might just have run out of drivers hours. Perhaps not - still unloading trucks at 23:20.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 11, 2013, 02:22:51 pm
    Having watched them on the webcam history craneing bits of escalator onto P12/13 this morning, I think my supposition last night about windspeeds being a problem may have been reasonable.  The escalators for this island appear to be being lifted in three parts, and joined together in situ while hanging off the crane.  With workers in close proximity (presumably doing up nuts and bolts) they wouldn't want any unexpected movements at all.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 11, 2013, 06:54:39 pm
    Having watched them on the webcam history craneing bits of escalator onto P12/13 this morning, I think my supposition last night about windspeeds being a problem may have been reasonable.  The escalators for this island appear to be being lifted in three parts, and joined together in situ while hanging off the crane.  With workers in close proximity (presumably doing up nuts and bolts) they wouldn't want any unexpected movements at all.

    Paul

    You may be right I was not aware that was any wind but it may be local.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 11, 2013, 11:35:21 pm
    Changing the subject slightly, but just to clear up a couple of points that we've discussed in the past which have now become clearer:

    1) Method of working for Platforms 12-15
    They all have 'Closing In' signals at either end of the platform and are split into an 'A' and 'B' end.  Trains of up to 5 carriages in length that are terminating and heading back out in the same direction will stop at a 'Rear Clear' stop board located approximately mid-way along the platform in either direction ('A' end is London, 'B' end is the Country End).  That will then allow the signaller to route another train (again of up to 5 carriages) into the other part of the platform using permissive working arrangements at the Closing In signal (i.e. a red aspect with two white lights).

    Trains of more than 5 carriages will stop at the relevant stop car marker further down the platform, as will through trains of any length.  Regarding concerns over canopy lengths, the canopies are long enough to shelter a train of roughly 6 carriages long, but any train that has stopped at the Rear Clear marker at the 'A' end of the Platform will have most of its length out in the open.

    2) Cross Country trains
    We've covered the lack of flexibility for through Cross Country services in the past and apparently it's also a concern for NR and XC.  As we suspected, their through reversing services will generally use Platform 8, though they could also use Platforms 9 or 10.  Should a problem develop with the critical set of points at Westbury Line junction (or indeed the route on the Up/Down Main to or from those platforms) then that will leave no simple option, but there are still three options available to the signaller to keep those trains running.
    • A train could use platforms 12/13/14 or 15 and be sent out of the east end of the station into what is now Kennet Bridge Goods Loop.  That loop is being upgraded to passenger status, so, for example, a train from Manchester to Bournemouth could be routed into Platform 14 at Reading, depart from there and be signalled into Kennet Bridge Loop, before reversing and then being routed through Reading's Platform 7 and on towards Basingstoke.
    • As above a train could be signalled into 12-15 and then be sent back to Tilehurst station's new reversing signal before being sent via the West Curve through to Oxford Road Junction
    • As has happened in the past, trains could just miss out on the stop at Reading and be routed via the West Curve stopping at Reading West.

    If anyone has any other questions, now is the time to ask!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on February 12, 2013, 01:13:45 pm
    Operationally I would go for the last option - but -  unless Reading West is updated, it has poor access and step free only on the up side.  Other facilities are pretty miserable too.  Good bus service to town centre outside. A free shuttle to General (or whatever it is now called) would be helpful (unless local buses now go there anyway - it's 44 years since I lived there   ;D ).

    Perhaps it could be suitably updated with lifts and decent waiting facilities.  It's a good station for the west side of Reading and  no mistake.  How many pax from (say) Oxford or Eastleigh want to change at Reading General who could not have taken an alternative service to get there?   


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on February 12, 2013, 01:33:20 pm
    swrural - it was 44 years ago that I used to abandon the bus and use the 4d my mother gave for the fare to buy a penny sweet and the 3d child single fare from Reading General to Reading West on the way to school!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 12, 2013, 02:32:23 pm
    Changing the subject slightly, but just to clear up a couple of points that we've discussed in the past which have now become clearer:

    1) Method of working for Platforms 12-15
    They all have 'Closing In' signals at either end of the platform and are split into an 'A' and 'B' end.  Trains of up to 5 carriages in length that are terminating and heading back out in the same direction will stop at a 'Rear Clear' stop board located approximately mid-way along the platform in either direction ('A' end is London, 'B' end is the Country End).  That will then allow the signaller to route another train (again of up to 5 carriages) into the other part of the platform using permissive working arrangements at the Closing In signal (i.e. a red aspect with two white lights).

    Trains of more than 5 carriages will stop at the relevant stop car marker further down the platform, as will through trains of any length.  Regarding concerns over canopy lengths, the canopies are long enough to shelter a train of roughly 6 carriages long, but any train that has stopped at the Rear Clear marker at the 'A' end of the Platform will have most of its length out in the open.

    If anyone has any other questions, now is the time to ask!

    Will the "Rear Clear" stop boards (not a term I've come across before) on each platform have any space beween them - will there be any kind of overlap distance between the board facing London at the A end and the board facing Bristol at the B end?

    And are Drivers and Driver Managers now happy with this arrangement - you indicated before that there was a bit of a problem with this.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on February 12, 2013, 03:39:22 pm
    swrural - it was 44 years ago that I used to abandon the bus and use the 4d my mother gave for the fare to buy a penny sweet and the 3d child single fare from Reading General to Reading West on the way to school!

    Lovely.  Of course when I lived there (just behind the RBH) we had trolley buses still going across town, IIRC from one end to the other, down Oxford Road past Reading West, beautifully quiet and smooth.  The buses were painted an attractive purple.

    We seem to be turning the clock back with local and long distance transport and I shall be interested how many people agree with II on his third option, it needs local knowledge probably.

    Stapleton Road for the Cardiff to Brightons, anyone?   :D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 12, 2013, 03:44:55 pm
    Another route for through XC services in the event of problems with Westbury Line Jn is to run through one of P13/14/15 and then via the Southern underpass, and reverse beyond Spur Jn to reach the down main.  The route used by that early morning XC ECS move I found a couple of weeks back, but in the opposite direction.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 12, 2013, 09:40:21 pm
    Will the "Rear Clear" stop boards (not a term I've come across before) on each platform have any space beween them - will there be any kind of overlap distance between the board facing London at the A end and the board facing Bristol at the B end?

    And are Drivers and Driver Managers now happy with this arrangement - you indicated before that there was a bit of a problem with this.

    Yes, there will be space as they are specifically there to facilitate two trains at each end of the platform.  The platform lengths are suitable for 12 carriages of 23m length I believe, but the overlap needed with these 'Rear Clear' boards means that two 6-car trains can't be accommodated at the same time.  That's a shame as it means that a 6-car Turbo can't share a platform with a 6-car Voyager (should they be lengthened).

    This also means possible confusion for a driver arriving with a terminating service which heads back out the same direction as the stopping point with up to 5-cars is the 'Rear Clear' marker with the  6-car stop much further down the platform.  It remains to be seen as to whether there are any incidents as a result of this non-standardised method of working.

    'Rear Clear' marker boards will also be appearing on platforms 7, 8 and 9, with the only through platform not getting them (for the time being) is 10 as trains from London won't be able to be signalled into that platform until a later date.

    Concern has also been raised about the 'Closing In' signals, as not only is it very rare to get a red signal so close to the end of the platform, but in the case of empty trains leaving the depot from the east end connection, a single yellow aspect can be displayed at the departure signal complete with a platform number, despite the fact that the train isn't actually signalled into that platform but only as far as the 'Closing In' signal.  In my mind, that is asking for trouble.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 12, 2013, 09:54:00 pm
    Another route for through XC services in the event of problems with Westbury Line Jn is to run through one of P13/14/15 and then via the Southern underpass, and reverse beyond Spur Jn to reach the down main.  The route used by that early morning XC ECS move I found a couple of weeks back, but in the opposite direction.

    That would only be possible with an ECS service, not with passengers still on the train as per the other three options.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 13, 2013, 01:02:48 am
    Is that because of a lack of signals?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 13, 2013, 09:14:50 am
    Will the "Rear Clear" stop boards (not a term I've come across before) on each platform have any space beween them - will there be any kind of overlap distance between the board facing London at the A end and the board facing Bristol at the B end?

    And are Drivers and Driver Managers now happy with this arrangement - you indicated before that there was a bit of a problem with this.

    Yes, there will be space as they are specifically there to facilitate two trains at each end of the platform.  The platform lengths are suitable for 12 carriages of 23m length I believe, but the overlap needed with these 'Rear Clear' boards means that two 6-car trains can't be accommodated at the same time.  That's a shame as it means that a 6-car Turbo can't share a platform with a 6-car Voyager (should they be lengthened).

    This also means possible confusion for a driver arriving with a terminating service which heads back out the same direction as the stopping point with up to 5-cars is the 'Rear Clear' marker with the  6-car stop much further down the platform.  It remains to be seen as to whether there are any incidents as a result of this non-standardised method of working.

    'Rear Clear' marker boards will also be appearing on platforms 7, 8 and 9, with the only through platform not getting them (for the time being) is 10 as trains from London won't be able to be signalled into that platform until a later date.

    Concern has also been raised about the 'Closing In' signals, as not only is it very rare to get a red signal so close to the end of the platform, but in the case of empty trains leaving the depot from the west end connection, a single yellow aspect can be displayed at the departure signal complete with a platform number, despite the fact that the train isn't actually signalled into that platform but only as far as the 'Closing In' signal.  In my mind, that is asking for trouble.

    Are these arrangements (ie A and B platforms) only temporay until the completion of all the layout changes?  It would be surprising if they were permanent.  It's a long time since I did a "Safe working of trains" course, but intuitively they don't seem right.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 13, 2013, 10:14:17 am
    Are these arrangements (ie A and B platforms) only temporay until the completion of all the layout changes?  It would be surprising if they were permanent.  It's a long time since I did a "Safe working of trains" course, but intuitively they don't seem right.

    I'm sure they'll be permanent.  Not doing so loses the capacity increase over the old set up (on the relief side - as P13/14 would effectively become just the replacements for the London facing bays).  And as I've mentioned in previous posts, the basic method of double ended divided working has been in place at (for example) Southampton for many years - and safely as far as I am aware.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 13, 2013, 12:00:26 pm
    Is that because of a lack of signals?

    In a way, yes.  Shunts via Spur Junction involve ground position signals not main aspect signals, so can't be used under normal circumstances with passenger trains.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 13, 2013, 02:58:50 pm
    Are these arrangements (ie A and B platforms) only temporay until the completion of all the layout changes?  It would be surprising if they were permanent.  It's a long time since I did a "Safe working of trains" course, but intuitively they don't seem right.

    I'm sure they'll be permanent.  Not doing so loses the capacity increase over the old set up (on the relief side - as P13/14 would effectively become just the replacements for the London facing bays).  And as I've mentioned in previous posts, the basic method of double ended divided working has been in place at (for example) Southampton for many years - and safely as far as I am aware.

    Paul

    Take a look at Railway Group Standard GKRT0044 (you can just Google it).  The Group Standard (which does not apply retrospectively to stations such as Bristol and Southampton etc, so they should not be quoted as a precedent for Reading) refers to platform sharing and the signalling of trains on to occupied lines.  It specifically states (4.2.2)  that new platform sharing arangements should only be considered if it is not reasonably practicable to use mid platform signals, or any other measure to avoid it (eg timetabling)

    I'm surprised that NR got away with not providing mid-platform signals as clearly it would have been straightforward to incorporate them into the initial design.   So was there a specification error for the signalling? Was the manner in which the station would need to operate fully understood when the signalling system was specified?

     


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 13, 2013, 03:37:06 pm
    Understood.

    NR do cross refer to that standard in the NCN about the station operations, as follows:

    Quote
    Standard GK/RT0044 Controls for signalling a train onto an occupied line mandates a number of conditions to be considered when reviewing the need for permissive working and its safe application. Whilst the signalling has functionality to allow for permissive moves to be signalled into the platforms as outlined in the Network Change the usage and availability is determined on operational risk and the need to use. A risk workshop chaired by an external provider was held and FGW representatives were in attendance. The level of Permissive Working agreed was an output of that risk workshop and took into account a number of factors including distance of signal to platform, speed of approach, signalling controls, approach view of train stationary in platform, whether services are planned to be used permissively etc. The new Platforms 12-15 have close up signals which allow permissive moves to be controlled far more effectively than Platforms 7-11 hence the variance in permissive working allowed. The level of permissive working agreed is more favourable than the current situation and the standard places a requirement on operators to try and eliminate/mitigate the use of permissive working and satisfactorily control the risks.

    Not sure what that all means though...

    Paul



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 13, 2013, 04:00:10 pm
    Not sure what that all means though...

    I think it means that "we'll use a lot of waffle to try and convince everyone that it will be an acceptable method of working under the group standard regulations."  It may well be - we'll see.  Most of the concern seems to be about the SPAD risk of giving a driver a signal with a platform number indicator (either a 15, 14, or 13) when they aren't actually signalled into that platform (that's the east end depot signal I referred to earlier - T1708).

    By the way, to answer a question I posed a few weeks ago, the temporary connection from Platform 8 (which will become the Down Main Loop) to and from the Down Main Line will be restricted to 20mph.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on February 14, 2013, 11:27:48 am
    We do seem to be getting into a muddle with signalling.

    In semaphore days there were three types of indication you could get on a subsiduary signals (short arm two two parralel red stripes) under a stop arm. Depeding on use they could show S for Shunt Ahead into the section, W Warning: Line clear junction blocked and C Calling: On into an occupied section. A W  signal was used regularly between Tulse Hill and Gypsy Hill for Crystal Palace bound trains. Calling on signals were used at places like Staines every half hour to join Windosr and Weybridge portions. Early colur light position signals could show S or C when coupled with a stop signal. W becomes redundant because you'd get  single yellow on the main aspect.

    I'm not sure I like the implications of II's point above.

    "Most of the concern seems to be about the SPAD risk of giving a driver a signal with a platform number indicator (either a 15, 14, or 13) when they aren't actually signalled into that platform (that's the east end depot signal I referred to earlier - T1708)."

    Not sure I understand as I'm still getting used to modern drawings. 1708 seems to be two headed signal 1708 on left  and 1708 CA on right (facing). 1708 seems to be four aspect signal with three aspects in bottom light and a single yellow above, with a square box above that with a 3, whereas 1708CA is reversed with the 3 aspect at the top and single yellow at the bottom.

    Are points 8446 ad 8446B a double slip if so trains from the depot only have access to 15.14 and 13 platforms? Plus there are  stop signals 1706, 1704 and 1702 protecting platforms 15.14.13 between 1708 and the platforms. Perhaps to be clear 1708 should show DRL (13) URL (14) and UR (15) being the running lines the train is routed.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 14, 2013, 01:04:25 pm
    Are points 8446 ad 8446B a double slip if so trains from the depot only have access to 15.14 and 13 platforms? Plus there are  stop signals 1706, 1704 and 1702 protecting platforms 15.14.13 between 1708 and the platforms. Perhaps to be clear 1708 should show DRL (13) URL (14) and UR (15) being the running lines the train is routed.

    Yup, that's correct and yup that's what I would have thought would be more sensible.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: eightf48544 on February 14, 2013, 05:01:44 pm
    Just discovered 1708CA is Co-acting signal in the 6' which apprently have the red aspect at the top.

    With two signals it would be an very incompetant driver who SPADed them.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Network SouthEast on February 14, 2013, 05:29:32 pm

    With two signals it would be an very incompetant driver who SPADed them.
    No train driver deliberately sets out to have a SPAD. 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 15, 2013, 10:29:57 am
    Just discovered 1708CA is Co-acting signal in the 6' which apprently have the red aspect at the top.

    With two signals it would be an very incompetant driver who SPADed them.

    T1708 has a co-acting signal due to the restricted view of the main aspect when departing from the sidings on the left hand side of the depot exit.  Though the SPAD risk I referred to is receiving a single yellow aspect and platform number at T1708 and then SPAD'ing the following closing up signals T1702/4/6.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 15, 2013, 03:07:11 pm
    Looking through some signalling bumph I've just found I think a similar set up of a theatre indicator on a signal (indicating the platform number) followed by a set of four 'closing up signals', one at the entry to each platform, is in use on the way into Portsmouth Harbour.  In this case the only approach is from the down main line rather than the depot exit, but the theatre indicator coming just before the platform signal seems to be the same...

    Paul 


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: EBrown on February 17, 2013, 03:30:54 pm
    Does anyone know if the Vastern Road/Post Office site has been victim of crime recently. I notice that (on camera 1/3) that the police CCTV van is parked there most of the time.

    I originally thought it was just being used as a parking space, but it hasn't moved from that one space in about a week (as far as I can tell).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 17, 2013, 06:48:34 pm
    I see the big mobile crane has been use again today, (with an extension jib), positioning a few roof sections adjacent to the London side escalators on the P10/11 island this time. 

    Just to round up the activities last week, (presumably, and as discussed earlier, due to crane load limits), as far as I can see all the escalators are now in position.  There's a couple of short sections of main steelwork yet to be fitted next to the stair/escalator on the country side of the P14/15 island, but other than that I think there's every likelihood that the bulk of the sloping roof sections will be fitted this week.

    I'd also suggest that on P10/11 the rest of the London end roof (and platform buildings) will probably be delayed until some time later because the building's 'footprint' involves the wider waiting area at the foot of the existing stairs?

    Meanwhile, at the south end of the subway I'm quite surprised the portable buildings are still there, as they really need to start on the Reading Council area of the worksite soon - unless the initial route for subway users really is going to require a diversion to the west end of the access ramps and stairs?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 17, 2013, 07:33:36 pm
    I see the big mobile crane has been use again today, (with an extension jib), positioning a few roof sections adjacent to the London side escalators on the P10/11 island this time. 

    Just to round up the activities last week, (presumably, and as discussed earlier, due to crane load limits), as far as I can see all the escalators are now in position.  There's a couple of short sections of main steelwork yet to be fitted next to the stair/escalator on the country side of the P14/15 island, but other than that I think there's every likelihood that the bulk of the sloping roof sections will be fitted this week.

    This crane only appears to be used to lift heavy objects that are at the furthest reach of the tower crane.  All the other roof sections have been lifted in with the tower crane on the country side were lifted in with the tower crane except those which were so close to the foot of the tower it presumably could not reach.

    On the London side the big crane last weekend did the lower sections of the roof after the escalators were lifted in. However the rest of the P12/13 roof sections were then lifted in during the week with the tower crane. 

    For the escalators the load was obviously an issue as the P14/15 escalators were lifted in with the big crane in as whole units, then the P12/13 were lifted in with the same crane but in three parts.  Alternative means had to be used to install the escalators on P10/11 as even the big crane could not lift that much at such a reach.

    I'd also suggest that on P10/11 the rest of the London end roof (and platform buildings) will probably be delayed until some time later because the building's 'footprint' involves the wider waiting area at the foot of the existing stairs?

    Looks very likely

    Meanwhile, at the south end of the subway I'm quite surprised the portable buildings are still there, as they really need to start on the Reading Council area of the worksite soon - unless the initial route for subway users really is going to require a diversion to the west end of the access ramps and stairs?

    Given that they only have 2 weeks left before the subway is due to be opened I have assumed they will divert people round to the west end of the ramp/stairs.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 17, 2013, 08:29:06 pm
    For the escalators the load was obviously an issue as the P14/15 escalators were lifted in with the big crane in as whole units, then the P12/13 were lifted in with the same crane but in three parts.  Alternative means had to be used to install the escalators on P10/11 as even the big crane could not lift that much at such a reach.

    Er... this is a repeat!  You and I covered this topic last weekend as well...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 17, 2013, 09:06:05 pm
    The tower crane is lifting the other roof sections for the London end escalators as I write.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 17, 2013, 09:29:34 pm
    The tower crane is lifting the other roof sections for the London end escalators as I write.

    Just a thought, once all these roof sections go on there'll not be much to see at all!   :(

    I always thought it was a bit of a shame that they didn't have a view of the track work at either end of the station area...

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on February 18, 2013, 04:57:40 pm
    Just gone up at TLH, on the same poster outlining the Easter works at Reading:

    The footbridge at Tilehurst is going to be renewed while the line is closed.

    Anyone have any details or even knowledge of the plan.



    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: lbraine on February 18, 2013, 09:45:54 pm
    Found a small amount of detail on Planning Consent website of Reading Council.

    The work will be to replace the existing footbridge.

    I did wonder if it was going to be moved to the London end as over the last few weeks there has been a drilling machine just alongside P1 and current mid island P2/3 at London end.

    But the planning consent was for replacement of existing footbridge.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: IndustryInsider on February 19, 2013, 12:21:02 am
    I did wonder if it was going to be moved to the London end as over the last few weeks there has been a drilling machine just alongside P1 and current mid island P2/3 at London end.

    Possibly foundations for a temporary footbridge whilst the permanent one is replaced?  That's what often happens - for example Radley, Iver and Bicester North have had similar temporary structures in recent years.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 19, 2013, 11:51:48 am
    Remember the point made earlier about a 'marshalled walking route' to the north side subway entrance - ie to get across the building site from the end of February?  They seem to have cleared a space parallel to the front of the northern station building as far as the right hand side of the subway entrance over the last few days, and then installed new taller support posts presumably for another line of hoardings.

    On P14/15 the remaining heavy duty steel work has been installed between the stairs and the country end platform roof, AFAICT that is the last section that prevented the sloping roof sections being fitted there.

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 19, 2013, 01:44:21 pm
    Meanwhile, at the south end of the subway I'm quite surprised the portable buildings are still there, as they really need to start on the Reading Council area of the worksite soon - unless the initial route for subway users really is going to require a diversion to the west end of the access ramps and stairs?

    Given that they only have 2 weeks left before the subway is due to be opened I have assumed they will divert people round to the west end of the ramp/stairs.


    Posts suitable for a hoardings are now being put in parallel to, and alongside the southern ramp structure, that look as if they will hide the elevated road structure, so now looks very much like the route will include the double back via the west end.  There are also some newly repositioned posts alongside the blue portakabins - perhaps they will also be something to do with the intended pedestrian route?  What I'm thinking here is that having come up the ramps/stairs and over the subway, pedestrians will then have to turn immediately sharp right and go over towards the south side of Station Hill - in other words to cut across the worksite with barriers both right and left?

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 19, 2013, 07:48:18 pm
    The tower crane is lifting the other roof sections for the London end escalators as I write.

    Just a thought, once all these roof sections go on there'll not be much to see at all!   :(

    I always thought it was a bit of a shame that they didn't have a view of the track work at either end of the station area...

    Paul

    If you look on number 1 there is a new camera 5 - only the test card so far but...


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on February 21, 2013, 12:01:11 am
    Travelled through Reading this evening....

    Mildly surprised to see an up fast HST service to Paddington pull in on Platform 7. I've not really followed all the ins and outs of what is going on at Reading, but I'm curious to know since when the old Platform 4 (now 7) became bi-di.

    Never seen an up service pull in on this platform before. Lots of shouting from the platform staff saying 'this train is heading to Paddington.... please stand back. The next service on this platform is for Worcester, calling at Didcot, Swindon and all stations to Cheltenham Spa.'


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on February 21, 2013, 12:13:03 am
    It has been for a few years. I've got off the up sleeper there before now. I think it used to be routed there as the only connection off it was for Gatwick off the old platform 4A! 

    Admittedly it is a pretty rare event.  The only other time I've seen it was recently when only 7 and 8 were open for through trains because of the improvements and two up trains arrived close together.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on February 21, 2013, 12:15:04 am
    Platform 7 (the old platform 4) has always been bi di, well at least since Reading was last resignalled in the 60s! Actually, I think Brunel first made it bi di!

    It was only used for up services at times of perturbation, which usually produced the reaction you described.

    Also used occasionally for up services to the North Downs, particularly if a set swap was needed.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on February 21, 2013, 12:19:48 am
    That was the case this evening. Two up fasts arrived almost simultaneously on P7 and P8. The one that came in on 7, possibly 1L91 from Cheltenham Spa, was given the road ahead of the service that pulled in on 8.

    Incidentally, this up train that surprised me on P7 was a 2+7 HST. It was missing a coach G.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Oxman on February 21, 2013, 12:40:59 am
    Platform 7 is most often used for up services off the B&H, so you can get a simultaneous arrival with an up service from Didcot on Platform 8. The Platform 7 service gets priority to clear the platform for down services. And the number of passengers boarding on platform 7 is usually quite low!


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Jason on February 22, 2013, 01:28:49 pm
    What I'm thinking here is that having come up the ramps/stairs and over the subway, pedestrians will then have to turn immediately sharp right and go over towards the south side of Station Hill - in other words to cut across the worksite with barriers both right and left?

    From the way things are currently shaping up it looks like your prediction is spot on !


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 22, 2013, 03:57:00 pm
    What I'm thinking here is that having come up the ramps/stairs and over the subway, pedestrians will then have to turn immediately sharp right and go over towards the south side of Station Hill - in other words to cut across the worksite with barriers both right and left?

    From the way things are currently shaping up it looks like your prediction is spot on !

    Scary isn't it!  Perhaps I should try the national lottery now...   ;D

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 22, 2013, 04:39:47 pm
    Platform 7 (the old platform 4) has always been bi di, well at least since Reading was last resignalled in the 60s! Actually, I think Brunel first made it bi di!

    It was only used for up services at times of perturbation, which usually produced the reaction you described.

    Also used occasionally for up services to the North Downs, particularly if a set swap was needed.

    I'm just wondering if P7 (old P4) has always been bi di for passenger trains, even if it has been for ECS etc.  I've got a vague recollection that the signal at the London end of this platform, with a new feather and a signalled route across to the UM, was installed more recently, maybe within the last 20 years.   

    I agree it is not uncommon now for it to be used for Up passenger services.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Electric train on February 22, 2013, 05:54:16 pm
    Platform 7 (the old platform 4) has always been bi di, well at least since Reading was last resignalled in the 60s! Actually, I think Brunel first made it bi di!

    It was only used for up services at times of perturbation, which usually produced the reaction you described.

    Also used occasionally for up services to the North Downs, particularly if a set swap was needed.

    I'm just wondering if P7 (old P4) has always been bi di for passenger trains, even if it has been for ECS etc.  I've got a vague recollection that the signal at the London end of this platform, with a new feather and a signalled route across to the UM, was installed more recently, maybe within the last 20 years.   

    I agree it is not uncommon now for it to be used for Up passenger services.
    The signal may have been repositioned for sighting reasons when the passenger over bridge was installed


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on February 22, 2013, 08:41:48 pm
    I am sure I have a photo somewhere but I think the signal at the London end of platform 7 has a theatre box rather than feather(s).


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 23, 2013, 01:26:01 am
    From the Reading Chronicle (http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/news/roundup/articles/2013/02/21/86912-buses-set-for-a-boost-from-new-look-railway-station-/?#):

    Quote
    Buses set for a boost from new look railway station

    (http://www.clydeandforthpress.co.uk/img/2011/03/10/1299773579487.jpg)

    The completion of the multi-million pound transport interchange on the northern side of the new-look Reading Station will make a "huge difference" to the town's bus services.

    The new bus, taxi, and cycle hub - one of two new interchanges being developed as part of the ^850m Reading Station upgrade - is taking shape off Vastern Road.

    Reading Borough Council won ^9.6m from the Department of Transport towards the ^13.2m cost of creating the Vastern Road entrance area and another on the southern side of the station.

    Reading Buses chief executive James Freeman said it will greatly benefit passengers travelling to and from the north of the town when buses begin using it in July and he added: "It will make a huge difference to passengers in Caversham, Peppard and Emmer Green, who have had a raw deal previously as buses have had to approach from the south side of the station. This will make it much quicker, meaning people can get straight to the platform. It will be fantastic railway serving the people of Reading and shows this is a place where you can get about without a car."

    The company has already increased the number of buses on some of its routes in anticipation of the changes, including the Pink 22 and 24 running every 20 minutes from Caversham Heights from 5.30-7.15am and 5.25-7am respectively, the equivalent of a bus every 10 minutes from Caversham Library.

    The company also launches a public consultation on Friday, March 1, canvassing views on what they think of the services so far and what improvements could be made.

    Mr Freeman said: "It's always useful for people to give their impressions of how changes affect their journeys and they can pick up things we haven't always thought of."

    Passengers will be able to respond online at www.reading-buses.co.uk or by completing paper forms available from its offices in Great Knollys Street.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: swrural on February 23, 2013, 01:11:58 pm
    Euurgh!  I know one other FGWCS correspondent who mourns the passing of the purple trolleys eh, BobM?


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bignosemac on February 23, 2013, 01:54:21 pm
    One thing I do like about Reading Buses is the colour coding of their routes and buses. Makes for quick identification of your bus when more than one is at a stand, terminus or stop.

    That pink one currently matches the polo top I'm wearing!  ;D


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: bobm on February 23, 2013, 01:57:59 pm
    One of my prized possessions is a destination blind from a Reading bus before they got all those new fangled electronic ones.  Best livery in Reading is the 20/21 - the claret is the closest they have to the old maroon livery of my youth.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: ellendune on February 23, 2013, 04:01:11 pm
    Getting back to the matter in hand - the very large crane has turned up again this afternoon with all the extension pieces. Any idea what it is going to do this time?

    Its in the same place as last week so looks to be something on the London side.


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: SandTEngineer on February 23, 2013, 08:33:38 pm
    I am sure I have a photo somewhere but I think the signal at the London end of platform 7 has a theatre box rather than feather(s).

    Correct.  Signal R49 (now TR49) was commissioned in November 1979.  Platform No.7 (previously Platform No.4) was only reversibily signalled from that date.  From the commissioning of Reading panel on 24-26 April 1965 until November 1979 there was a shunt signal R563 at this position.  The current signal has a Route Indicator for the Up Main or Reading Spur lines.  In five weeks time it is being replaced by new signal T1682 temporarily on the new signal gantry that can be seen here (its on this temporary post as it will be replaced with a proper caged signal in a new position once Platform No.7 is rebuilt against the present Up Main line): http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/8416219893/in/pool-1945836@N21/lightbox/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_iliff/8416219893/in/pool-1945836@N21/lightbox/)


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: paul7755 on February 23, 2013, 09:19:17 pm
    Thanks for that info, I was guessing that that signal was in a temporary position in a discussion with 'GBTE' back in November, around post# 927!

    Paul


    Title: Re: Reading Station improvements
    Post by: Angle42 on February 23, 2013, 09:22:55 pm
    Getting back to the matter in hand - the very large crane has turned up again this afternoon with all the extension pieces. Any idea what it is going to do this time?

    Its in the same place as last week so looks to be something on the London side.

    It may be the removal of the footbridge to the carpark.

    The Network Rail announcement in December said that the footbridge would be removed by the end of February and they have almost finished the tunnel under the station - probabl