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Title: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 18, 2008, 22:53:09
"Two new weekday bus services have been launched in Nailsea and Backwell by North Somerset Coaches.

One is an all-day service linking the two towns via the railway station and is timed to arrive at the station shortly before trains leave for Bristol and Weston.

The other is a Nailsea town circular service, operating hourly during the mornings only, from Monday to Friday."

For full details, see http://www.thisisclevedon.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=223432&command=displayContent&sourceNode=224133&contentPK=21285933&folderPk=104742&pNodeId=224152


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Lee on August 18, 2008, 22:57:10
One is an all-day service linking the two towns via the railway station and is timed to arrive at the station shortly before trains leave for Bristol and Weston.

Excellent stuff  :)


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: John R on October 13, 2008, 20:48:00
Shame hardly anyone uses the new services. Even the peak commuter ones (which do wait for the services from Bristol to arrive) only have 2 or 3 people on them. I can't see it lasting.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 13, 2008, 22:48:44
I agree with John R - the bus does indeed wait patiently at our station in the evening, but only one or two people use it.  I might, if it was raining heavily, but otherwise I'd prefer to walk - I live only ten minutes walk away.

I get the impression that those who persist in driving to the station live further away from the bus route - so it continues to make sense for them to drive, rather than catch the bus and still have a ten minute walk from their nearest stop?

To be fair, there is also a commendable number of people who cycle to the station - perhaps an extension to the perspex cycle shelter, with increased (and more secure) parking for cycles, would be an improvement?


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: John R on November 29, 2009, 20:03:36

At Nailsea & Backwell station, we have an excellent bus service, provided by a bus company unconnected with FGW, where the bus timetable is linked to the train timetable - and the bus waits (within reason) if a train is running late!

But does anyone use it? I've never seen more than 1 or 2 pax on it.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 29, 2009, 20:17:12
To be brutally honest, John: neither have I.

I think the fact that it turns left down Queens Road, rather than right down Trendlewood Way, on its way into Nailsea town centre, is part of the reason for that - it's not running the route most potential passengers want?

It's a commendable initiative - but I'm not sure it's commercially viable.  Even less so, if we get all those additional car parking spaces in the station car park?

On the other hand: we could then perhaps re-brand our station as Portishead Parkway?  ::)


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: The SprinterMeister on March 02, 2010, 20:47:19
To be brutally honest, John: neither have I.

I think the fact that it turns left down Queens Road, rather than right down Trendlewood Way, on its way into Nailsea town centre, is part of the reason for that - it's not running the route most potential passengers want?

It's a commendable initiative - but I'm not sure it's commercially viable.  Even less so, if we get all those additional car parking spaces in the station car park?

On the other hand: we could then perhaps re-brand our station as Portishead Parkway?  ::)

If the operator your talking about is North Somerset Coaches I suggest you contact their manager (who is known to me) I think you will find he is quite an ameanable chap and would be quite prepared to discuss any suitable changes to routes that increase custom, provided it can run without increasing the fleet size to maintain the service intervals or sends buses down unsuitable roads.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 02, 2010, 20:55:52
Thanks, TheSprinterMeister!

To be fair, since I posted that comment last year, the route has been revised, and North Somerset Coaches do indeed now run past my back garden!  ;D


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: NSCoaches on March 16, 2010, 14:02:34
Hello, we've just joined the forum here... any comments or suggestions about the Nailsea Bus-Link will be welcome, and if we can make any improvements to attract more users then please let us know. David, North Somerset Coaches.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 16, 2010, 18:49:59
Hello, David - and a very warm welcome to the forum!  :)

I'm probably going to be embarrassed by some of my previous comments now.  :-[


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: NSCoaches on March 17, 2010, 10:28:10
Thanks for the welcome, and it is interesting to know what people think of the service we provide. It is hard providing an "integrated" service that actually works! We still have occasional hiccups but I think the connections usually work, and the drivers hang on the promised extra 5 minutes (10 on last bus) if trains are late. If it doesn't happen, I need to know!

We have thought about changing the route to serve Trendlewood - as more people seem to come from that side of town - but haven't yet for two reasons: 1) Risk of losing the people we already have from Kingshill and 2) First have run half-hourly 364s from the Station to Trendlewood - so it seemed sensible for us to provide something different.

However, from 6th April 364 is replaced by an hourly 362 via Long Ashton village - and stays hourly through the afternoon peak (loss of four PM peak journeys). We have a new Express service from Nailsea to Bristol starting on the same date, and may consider in due course changing the 2A to run via Trendlewood to Link Road, and back to the station via Kingshill. Comments on that proposal are most welcome!


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: John R on May 09, 2010, 23:42:58
Dave

Slightly off topic, but thanks for operating your special services yesterday. The family really enjoyed the journey in a 1948 vintage bus, and although I'm not quite that old, it brought back memories of travelling to school on buses with crash gear boxes that did well to climb hills at 10mph.  I hope you raised lots for charity and repeat it next year.

In answer to your question, I'm not sure I have any suggestions. I suspect a lot of people are put off buses as they are perceived to be unreliable  (due to traffic) and they couldn't guarantee to make the train connection. I'm sure that isn't the case around N&B, so maybe a targetted mailshot of a week's trial at a nominal cost might persuade people to try the service. If they discover that it is in fact reliable then they could be persuaded to become regular customers.

         


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 09, 2010, 23:55:12
Thanks from me, too, Dave!

Driving into Nailsea yesterday, I was rather startled to see a green vintage bus, on its way down towards Backwell - unfortunately, I hadn't heard about that special service, so thanks to John R for posting here to explain it!

I agree with John, too: a mailshot could well benefit the excellent regular station bus service.

Regards, Chris.  :)


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: NSCoaches on August 06, 2010, 13:00:23
Advance Information for Nailsea commuters- we are changing our rail-link services from 30th August...

The new routes will be half-hourly in both peaks.
2A becomes the afternoon (anti-clockwise) circular, Station to Station via Trendlewood Way, Lodge Lane, Stock Way, Silver Street, Hannah More Road and Whiteoak Way
2C becomes the morning (clock-wise) circular, Station to Station via Whiteoak Way, Hannah More Road, Silver Street, Link Road, Lodge Lane and Trendlewood Way.

There will be a new extra evening journey at 1842 to connect out of the 1630 HST from Paddington (and local DMU 1825 ex.Temple Meads)

Afternoon times will be xx12 and xx42, and buses will still wait up to 5 minutes (10 on the last journey) for delayed trains.

Also due in the autumn is (at long last!) a new bus shelter for the Nailsea-side bus stop.

Timetables will be available on our website (www.northsomersetcoaches.co.uk) shortly or you can request one by email (sales@northsomersetcoaches.co.uk).


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: JayMac on August 06, 2010, 14:31:40
Nice to see a bus operator planning their timetable around train arrival times with a bit of leeway for late running services. Good work North Somerset Coaches!


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: TheLastMinute on August 06, 2010, 23:22:27
Sounds good. A clock face timetable always seems to be more popular with the general public - lets hope so.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 06, 2010, 23:50:28
Yes: thanks, David!

I've just taken something of a liberty, by merging some previous posts from the 'car park at Nailsea' topic to this one here, in the interests of continuity.

Hopefully, this will confirm that the direct bus link between the village of Backwell and the town of Nailsea, via the railway station, is actually a very welcome - and clearly developing - service!

Chris.  ;)


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: grahame on March 06, 2011, 08:43:05
Sadly, I understand (from the operator) that this service is to cease from 16th April 2011, due to low passenger numbers.   The service was a commercial one, as is the alternative service which they offer from the area directly into the centre of Bristol, which is said to be doing very well. 


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: clevedonian on March 07, 2011, 19:49:32
not really surprised, if it anything like the new bus link from Yatton to Clevedon, which is poorly timed and leaves about a minute before the evening peak train arrives  ???


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 07, 2011, 20:15:09
Actually, as previous posts on this topic will confirm, the North Somerset Coaches bus link at Nailsea & Backwell station is commendably passenger-focussed - timed to connect with trains, and the bus drivers tend to wait, if a train is a few minutes late.

Despite that, it just doesn't pay its way, apparently: nevertheless, it was a commendable effort, and sincere thanks to them for trying to make a go of it!

Chris from Nailsea.  :(


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 10, 2011, 13:35:47
... the new bus link from Yatton to Clevedon, which is poorly timed and leaves about a minute before the evening peak train arrives  ???

From the Weston Mercury (http://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/news/council_cash_on_a_bus_service_few_wanted_1_824785):

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Council cash on a bus service few wanted

North Somerset Council has spent ^38,570 on a new bus service to help transport staff to Castlewood - despite only two per cent of surveyed employees saying they favour catching a bus to work.

As part of the council^s site amalgamation programme, more than 500 employees were asked to transfer to the Clevedon building from Weston, Worle and other satellite bases last year.

North Somerset Council surveyed the staff who had been identified last June as making the move over the following months, asking them about possible transport methods.

But the Mercury can reveal through a Freedom Of Information request that despite only two per cent of those who responded saying they preferred at the time to travel by bus and seven per cent saying they would be likely to do so to Clevedon, a new public service has been created between Yatton train station, Kenn Business Park, Castlewood and the centre of Clevedon at a cost of tens of thousands of pounds to taxpayers.

Wessex Connect started operating it towards the end of last year and the contract runs until the end of August, 2012.

It runs at 30-minute intervals during the morning and evening peaks and sometimes hourly.

The cost of the trip to the public and to council employees is ^1 per single journey.

Campaigner Clare Kingsbury-Bell first brought the news about the transport survey results and the subsequent new bus route to the Mercury^s attention. She said: ^As if it^s not bad enough they^ve wasted millions of pounds buying a second town hall in Clevedon and forced hundreds of jobs to be lost from Weston they^re now wasting this money on a bus service nobody wanted. People who have lost bus services they actually used ^ such as in Worle ^ will be appalled by this. What^s the point of asking people if they just ignore the answer?^

A council spokesman said last year that absence of good services from Yatton was seen as restricting the numbers of staff indicating public transport as their likely means of travel and has also been identified as a key concern for employees.

The council also said that the area was very poorly served by transport links and needed another public service.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: devon_metro on March 10, 2011, 19:08:09
Is this the 'Coast Connect' bus I saw in Yatton earlier? I wasn't previously aware of said service.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: clevedonian on March 10, 2011, 21:57:33
the coast connect is a slightly longer service, running congresbury to portishead via yatton & clevedon

the other service is from outside Yatton station to Clevedon only.


Title: Bus-Links at Nailsea and Yatton
Post by: NSCoaches on March 12, 2011, 15:58:33
Two things to comment here:

Firstly, apologies to Coffee Shop members for being beaten to it! I'd planned to leave it until the end of March before announcing our service changes from 18th April.

Sadly it is true that the Nailsea & Backwell Rail Link service will cease from this date. Having worked hard since August 2008 at delivering the "integrated public transport" that everyone keeps screaming for, the route can't be cross-subsidised any longer (and we have never received a penny of subsidy or support for running it) so will finish... and probably never return, which is a great shame.

Secondly, the Yatton-Clevedon Link was a North Somerset Coaches project, jointly worked through with the North Somerset Council relocation team, based on our experience of actually making it work at Nailsea. Sadly politics that I won't go into saw the route being operated in the current fashion by Wessex Connect with their lovely Mercedes Sprinter. We had planned a flagship operation, that the council and operator could be proud of, with joint/through ticketing and proper marketing... "Clevedon Branch" type of service giving a decent feeder service to the railway at Yatton. Sadly none of those things have happened, and the route will undoubtedly finish when the allocated fixed amount of funding runs out and Wessex walk away.


Dave. (NSCoaches), Nailsea.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 12, 2011, 16:15:08
Thanks for posting that, Dave.

Chris from Nailsea.  :-X


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 23, 2012, 08:40:20
From Nailsea People (http://www.nailseapeople.co.uk/change-Nailsea-buses/story-17125335-detail/story.html):

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All change on Nailsea buses

Nailsea-based North Somerset Coaches has announced details of important changes to bus services from Monday, November 5.

A slightly revised timetable will be introduced on Nailsea to Bristol Express Service X54  with the first two morning journeys combined and the last evening journey from Bristol at 6.50pm withdrawn. As well as the new Route 55 journeys through the day there will be a new earlier afternoon X54 journey from Bristol to Nailsea departing from Broadmead at 3.25pm.

But the daytime local Service 2 which ran from Backwell to Nailsea, and Service 4 the Nailsea local circular routes are being withdrawn because the costs.

North Somerset Coaches boss David Fricker said: "They are now operating at a financial loss and are no longer commercially viable. This is a results of fuel costs having more than doubled during the past four years and a 20 per cent cut earlier this year to Bus Service Operators Grant by the Department for Transport.

Mr Fricker said: "Increased costs cannot be passed on to customers through increased prices because most passengers travel using free bus passes which are repaid at a fixed rate that has changed little since 2009. It is very disappointing to announce that we have to withdraw services 2 and 4 around Nailsea.

"We have worked extremely hard during the past four years to provide the residents of Nailsea and Backwell with a good quality and reliable local service using low-floor buses. However, with costs continually rising, we can no longer operate the services at a loss because the viability of the entire business would be at risk.

"I would like to thank all our customers who have used Services 2 and 4 during the past four years; knowing many passengers on firstname terms has made it a very hard decision to make."


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: trainer on October 25, 2012, 22:12:54
It is a shame when one of the best run bus companies in the country, with an MD committed to good service has to withdraw genuinely public service routes.  Sadly the population of the area served is not economically viable, but it was great to see a bus outside Nailsea and Backwell Station so frequently.  (I have no connection to the company and live outside the area it serves).


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 31, 2013, 13:14:25
From Nailsea People (http://www.nailseapeople.co.uk/Coach-operator-s-blockade-protest-threat-Nailsea/story-18490538-detail/story.html):

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Coach operator's blockade protest threat over Nailsea parking

A Nailsea coach operator is threatening to partially blockade a town centre street with his buses to highlight issues with vehicles parking along the busy route.

(http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/275775/Article/images/18490538/4682271.jpg)
David Fricker says he is "seriously considering" parking his coaches along Silver Street to highlight the problem of parked vehicles

David Fricker, who runs North Somerset Coaches, says his buses are regularly delayed because of contractors working on a new care home parking their vehicles along Silver Street. He says his buses, which run every two hours around Nailsea and into Bristol, struggle to get along the route and are regularly delayed by up to 20 minutes. And he says that vehicles travelling in the opposite direction along Silver Street are being forced to mount the pavement to allow his buses to get past ^ which could be dangerous for pedestrians.

Work on the care home started several weeks ago and is due to be completed in June. Mr Fricker has contacted the police, North Somerset Council and Nailsea Town Council asking them to intervene. But because there are no parking restrictions along Silver Street, the contractors are not doing anything illegal. Mr Fricker says if the situation does not improve, he will take his fleet of coaches down to Silver Street early in the morning and park them up, preventing the contractors from leaving their vehicles along the route.

Mr Fricker said: "Silver Street has essentially been made into a single carriageway which makes it very difficult to get the buses through. Vehicles coming in the opposite direction have to mount the pavement as the road is very congested and there are limited passing places. I am very concerned that this could lead to a nasty accident with a car colliding with a pedestrian on the pavement. We have complained to the council and the police but everyone seems to be passing the buck and as there are no parking restrictions along Silver Street, there seems to be nothing which can be done. I am seriously considering taking my buses down there early before the contractors arrive and parking them up along the street to highlight the problems which they are causing."

It had been suggested that the contractors park in the nearby Clevedon Road car park and walk to the site in a bid to solve the problem. A request had also been made for them to use the car park at the adjacent former Four Oaks School, which is owned by North Somerset, as a temporary measure but no agreement was reached.

Nailsea Town Council has also received complaints about the parking issue. Nailsea Town Council clerk, Ian Morrell, said: "The town council is well aware of the problems which have arisen at Silver Street. The town council has no direct power to intervene but is working closely with the police and the highways authority."

Bosses at contractor ER Hemmings, who are building the new care home, said they are doing everything possible to limit parking problems. Site manager Kelvin Chard said: "The vast majority of our contractors park at Clevedon Road car park. We have also spoken to the local police and asked North Somerset to allow us to use the school next door to park but it was not prepared to enter into an agreement. I have also asked the police to provide me with an official letter which I can issue to our contractors instructing them to park elsewhere. I would be happy to put cones along the route to stop parking. We are doing all we can but as there are no restrictions our workers are parking legally and I cannot force them to use the car park."

Nailsea Police Community Support Officer Charlotte Thompson said: "We are aware of the issue on Silver Street. "The contractors are parking legally as there are no parking restrictions along the road."


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: trainer on March 31, 2013, 22:09:39
I'm surprised that the police can't do anything about this.  When we had a protest on a housing estate in Clevedon some years ago, some angry residents parked their cars deliberately so that buses could not pass.  I was on a bus which was brought to a lengthy halt and when the police arrived, the owners of said cars claimed that they had just parked outside their own homes on an unrestricted road. The police officer responded that he would charge them with causing an obstruction.  The cars were moved back onto the driveways.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: JayMac on March 31, 2013, 22:27:57
Whilst there may not be parking restrictions, there is still the possibility that an offence is being committed. Under Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980, it is a criminal offence 'without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway.'

There's also a much older offence. Under Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, it is 'an offence to obstruct the street to the distraction, annoyance or danger of residents or passengers.'


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: ellendune on March 31, 2013, 22:49:02
Whilst there may not be parking restrictions, there is still the possibility that an offence is being committed. Under Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980, it is a criminal offence 'without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway.'

There's also a much older common law offence. Under Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847, it is 'an offence to obstruct the street to the distraction, annoyance or danger of residents or passengers.'

If I could be pedantic for a moment.  If it is under Section 28 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 (wonderful piece of legislation), then surely it is Statute Law not Common Law.


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 31, 2013, 22:51:16
Ah!  You got there before me, ellendune: I'd just sent bignosemac a PM, gently pointing out that distinction.  ::)


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: JayMac on March 31, 2013, 23:13:41
Thanks peeps. I got a bit confused after reading some case law regarding obstruction of the highway. The Town Police Clause Act 1847 is of course statute.

It is a wonderful piece of legislation, I agree. Without wishing to divert the topic too much, some other offences are:

Every person who in any street, to the obstruction, annoyance, or danger of the residents or passengers, commits any of the following offences:
  • Every person who wilfully and wantonly disturbs any inhabitant, by pulling or ringing any door bell, or knocking at any door, or who wilfully and unlawfully extinguishes the light of any lamp
  • Every person who flies any kite, or who makes or uses any slide upon ice or snow
  • Every person who beats or shakes any carpet, rug, or mat (except door mats, beaten or shaken before the hour of eight in the morning)
  • Every person who fixes or places any flower-pot or box, or other heavy article, in any upper window, without sufficiently guarding the same against being blown down

From that, it would appear that my childhood playing of Knock, Knock, Ginger could have landed me in the slammer for up to 14 days.  :o ;D


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 31, 2013, 23:18:26
Thanks for that, bignosemac!  ;) :D ;D

There is also an interesting legal question as to whether the Town Police Clauses Act of 1847 (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/10-11/89) actually applies within Nailsea:

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1 Extent of Act.

This Act shall extend only to such towns or districts in England or Ireland as shall be comprised in any Act of Parliament hereafter to be passed which shall declare that this Act shall be incorporated therewith; and all the clauses of this Act, save so far as they shall be expressly varied or excepted by any such Act, shall apply to the town or district which shall be comprised in such Act, and to the commissioners appointed for improving and regulating the same, so far as such clauses shall be applicable thereto respectively, and shall, with the clauses of every other Act which shall be incorporated therewith, form part of such Act, and be construed therewith as forming one Act.

 :-\


Title: Re: Revised Bus-Link at Nailsea & Backwell
Post by: Southern Stag on April 01, 2013, 00:18:22
The Offences Against the Person Act 1861 has some rather unusual offences in it still as well including:
s17. Impeding a person endeavouring to save himself from a shipwreck.
s36. Obstructing or assaulting a clergyman or other minister in the discharge of his duties.

There's also the rather relevant s32, 33 and 34 which are placing wood on the railway, casting stones on a railway carriage and doing anything to endanger the railway respectively. In a 1996 case two defendants were convicted to four years imprisonment for throwing stones at a railway carriage, but the offence carries a potential maximum of life imprisonment.



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