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Title: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 04, 2007, 18:59:26 The Cornish main line is closed on the above dates for work to be carried out on one of the viaducts near Liskeard, from what i've seen a train service will operate between Bodmin Pky and Penzance and from Liskeard upwards but people for Plymouth will be bussed direct from St Austell to Plymouth. In this time loco hauled services will operate between Bodmin pky and Penzance!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 04, 2007, 19:27:36 I believe loco hauled got scrapped?
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 04, 2007, 19:29:22 How did you find this out? (about the loco hauled trains)
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: peterswest on October 04, 2007, 21:25:41 I think it had the same problems as the Summer Weymouth services , EWS unable to operate scheduled passenger services on FGW or EWS safety case ??
Pete Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 04, 2007, 21:34:47 Does anybody have an idea which trains will operate on those days. Some our listed with first class so i imagine some HST's some units and possibly the sleeper carriages(they have done before, with sleepers out of use.)
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: peterswest on October 04, 2007, 21:46:20 It will have to be a train that can be driven from both ends , as single line working will be in place between Lostwithiel and Bodmin , so if it is sleeper stock, it will be engine either end. I suspect they will keep 1 HST set PZ side of the blockade , or use units ?
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 04, 2007, 22:13:56 Wont be the sleeper stock as that will have to be used for the sleepers from Liskeard upwards! Came from a good source about the loco hauled, whether they may be using Victa Westlink 31's? but that is pure speculation!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: martyjon on October 04, 2007, 22:38:17 Its about time someone grabbed two people by the hair (if the two people got any) and banged their heads together and knocked some sense into em and sort out this problem out regards EWS running scheduled passenger services on behalf of FGW on their, FGW's, safety case or their own, EWS's, safety case. Come next years Glastonbury Festival if this aint sorted, No Glastonbury specials, WOT THEN.
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 05, 2007, 21:49:40 Of note is Saturday/Sunday trains run Penzance to St.Austell. Mon/Tue/Wed is Penzance to Bodmin. During this period Sat/Mon/Tue/Wed the NQY branch is also covered by road transport....
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 06, 2007, 09:50:27 I presume thats the two weeks where Network Fail put TSRs round every corner.
What will they blame this year? OOO I know - daily HSTs Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: peterswest on October 09, 2007, 13:58:14 The Loco hauled services WILL be running between Bodmin Road and Penzance during the closure of the line! I have been advised that all problems have now been ironed out between Network Rail / FGW and EWS on the operation of advertised passenger services , common sense prevails perhaps ?
Pete Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 09, 2007, 15:52:50 Yet again, no alternative TT booklet published!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 09, 2007, 16:40:28 Yet again, no alternative TT booklet published! Posters have been put up at affected stations though.Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 09, 2007, 17:09:52 Yet again, no alternative TT booklet published! Posters have been put up at affected stations though.With or without timetables though! Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 09, 2007, 17:13:58 With timetables!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 09, 2007, 17:27:59 The Loco hauled services WILL be running between Bodmin Road and Penzance during the closure of the line! I have been advised that all problems have now been ironed out between Network Rail / FGW and EWS on the operation of advertised passenger services , common sense prevails perhaps ? Does aybody no know what locomoives and what coacing stock will be used? And if it will be used Saturday/Sunday?Pete Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Timmer on October 09, 2007, 17:58:32 With timetables!!!!!!! Makes a change.Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Andy on October 09, 2007, 18:38:36 It'll be the branch line DMUs operating shuttle services as follows:
Penzance-St Ives Falmouth-Par Newquay-Bodmin Road St Erth-Truro :D Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 09, 2007, 18:45:53 With timetables!!!!!!! Thats a good start, however good for people going to the area still Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: peterswest on October 16, 2007, 22:22:09 Engines and stock will be arriving Friday evening from Bristol. Stock to be kept/maintained at Long Rock for the duration.
I can't see these services being heavily loaded , because Virigin and other FGW services are running ! Pete Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: martyjon on October 16, 2007, 23:12:41 This stock IS for operating the Virgin services during the blockade. Stock (2 coaches, 12054 and 11064 plus DVT 82131 as brake vehicle) currently stabled in centre road at BRI having arrived there on Monday 15th October.
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 17, 2007, 07:29:01 Only 2 coaches!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2007, 07:59:33 Only 2 coaches! Its only intended to cover for VXC between Penzance and Par / Bodmin Road BUT if a previous post is correct It'll be the branch line DMUs operating shuttle services as follows: Penzance-St Ives Falmouth-Par Newquay-Bodmin Road St Erth-Truro so with PNZ - PLY passengers on FGW services facing the prospect of 3 changes, they may use this option in preference. Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 17, 2007, 10:27:25 Loco-Hauled Diagram is:
Saturday 20 October 2Z02 0603 Penzance to St Austell. 2Z22 0750 St Austell to Penzance. 2Z07 1103 Penzance to St Austell. 2Z27 1226 St Austell to Penzance. 2Z13 1655 Penzance to St Austell. 2Z33 1823 St Austell to Penzance. 2Z16 1950 Penzance to St Austell. 2Z36 2125 St Austell to Penzance. Sunday 21 October 1Z86 1156 Penzance to St Austell. 2Z14 1315 St Austell to Penzance. 1Z93 1517 Penzance to St Austell. 1Z51 1635 St Austell to Penzance. 2Z89 1955 Penzance to St Austell. 1Z92 2115 St Austell to Penzance. Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday 1Z23 0745 Penzance to Bodmin Parkway. 1Z63 0945 Bodmin Parkway to Penzance. 1Z28 1215 Penzance to Bodmin Parkway. 1Z81 1405 Bodmin Parkway to Penzance. 1Z33 1608 Penzance to Bodmin Parkway. 1Z86 1810 Bodmin Parkway to Penzance. Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 17, 2007, 10:29:01 Oh and printed timetable booklets are now available. Of note is most services to/from Liskeard are only unit shuttles to/from Plymouth. For example on the Mon/Tue/Weds the only trains ex Paddington through to Liskeard are the 15:05, 16:05 and 19:05.
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 17, 2007, 13:13:17 The loco hauled's are FGW services and not Virgin services.
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Shazz on October 17, 2007, 14:09:07 Wait, FGW actually thinking about there customers?
whatever next Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: peterswest on October 17, 2007, 14:49:23 The coaches at Bristol through road are not the coaches for the service. I think there will be 6 coaches with an engine each end for the EWS Loco hauled trains. As posted elsewhere a 67 will be PZ end of the stock and a 66 off of the Local Clay will be at the Plymouth end of the train , quite an unusual formation to be honest eh!
Pete Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 17, 2007, 15:16:09 The coaches at Bristol through road are not the coaches for the service. I think there will be 6 coaches with an engine each end for the EWS Loco hauled trains. As posted elsewhere a 67 will be PZ end of the stock and a 66 off of the Local Clay will be at the Plymouth end of the train , quite an unusual formation to be honest eh! Pete Oooo. Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 17, 2007, 17:00:48 Hellfire!!!!! Never thought i'd see the day when I say that about a skip and a shed but beats a 142!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2007, 18:27:31 Oh and printed timetable booklets are now available. oh my gosh, wonders never cease. As Shazz says 'FGW actually thinking about their customers'. UPDATE: FGW have also posted the timetable booklet online, just like old times. Shame they no longer do this when their are significant changes to train times at weekends because of engineering work :( http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=1792 Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 17, 2007, 21:20:23 What coachins stock being used? Definetly going to use it.
Oh and printed timetable booklets are now available. oh my gosh, wonders never cease. As Shazz says 'FGW actually thinking about their customers'. UPDATE: FGW have also posted the timetable booklet online, just like old times. Shame they no longer do this when their are significant changes to train times at weekends because of engineering work :( http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=1792 Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 18, 2007, 10:24:28 What coachins stock being used? Definetly going to use it. Should be six Riviera Trains mark twos, so probably ex Virgin stuff.... Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 18, 2007, 15:47:47 Something went up on SWRG about it being "150'd"
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 18, 2007, 19:04:38 Something went up on SWRG about it being "150'd" What do you mean?Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 18, 2007, 19:16:23 Formed of a class 150 2 car MU i presume
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 18, 2007, 19:50:25 Formed of a class 150 2 car MU i presume Makes sense now as that was a unit they used last time the mainline was closed from Plymouth upwards.Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 18, 2007, 21:44:42 Was looking this morning like the loco hauls were cancelled due to ongoing paperwork problems. The set was to be subbed by a class 150 unit, however the only way to source this would be to cancel the St.Ives branch through the whole period. This afternoon attempts were being made to resolve the issue, we await further news!!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 18, 2007, 23:35:53 Was looking this morning like the loco hauls were cancelled due to ongoing paperwork problems. The set was to be subbed by a class 150 unit, however the only way to source this would be to cancel the St.Ives branch through the whole period. This afternoon attempts were being made to resolve the issue, we await further news!! whilst they're at it they can nick the Looe unit to go to Bristol again! about right, west of the Tamar nobody travels!!!! according to DFT false figures.Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 19, 2007, 09:19:29 Was looking this morning like the loco hauls were cancelled due to ongoing paperwork problems. The set was to be subbed by a class 150 unit, however the only way to source this would be to cancel the St.Ives branch through the whole period. This afternoon attempts were being made to resolve the issue, we await further news!! It's back on again now apparently!Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Lee on October 19, 2007, 11:40:36 The view on this from Saltash Rail Users Group :
The mainline will be closed between Liskeard and St Austell from Saturday 20th October until midnight on the 24th October. Saltash will get a near normal timetable of stops but with some additional services on Saturday and some on Monday through until Wednesday. The amended timetable is attached for you to print off. Full amended timetables including bus alternatives from Liskeard are listed at Saltash station in the information boards with some printed leaflets left on both platforms for you to take away. The full First Great Western engineering works booklet is available with more information at http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=1792 Saltash stops are also listed here for your convenience Saturday 20th October Eastbound services 0753 to Exeter 0834 EXTRA SERVICE 0945 1026 EXTRA SERVICE 1144 EXTRA SERVICE 1241 1342 EXTRA SERVICE 1443 1627 1736 EXTRA SERVICE 1835 2059 to Exeter 2138 to Exeter Saturday 20th October Westbound services 0718 EXTRA SERVICE 0819 from Bristol 1040 from Exeter 1143 EXTRA SERVICE 1240 1533 1638 EXTRA SERVICE 1748 1943 2053 Sunday 21st Oct Eastbound services 1034 1622 1658 to Bristol 2056 to Exeter Sunday 21st Oct Westbound services 1012 from Bristol 1109 from Bristol 1733 from Exeter Monday 22nd ^ Wednesday 24th Oct Eastbound services from Liskeard 0729 to Paddington 1121 0755 to Newton Abbott 0840 to Paddington 1222 0932 to Plymouth / change for London 1341 1226 1445 1641 1703 EXTRA SERVICE 1810 1833 1919 EXTRA SERVICE 2055 to Exeter St David^s 2143 EXTRA SERVICE 2239 Monday 22nd ^ Wednesday 24th Oct Westbound services terminate Liskeard 0706 EXTRA SERVICE 0741 0823 from Bristol 0838 1040 from Exeter 1252 1611 1639 EXTRA SERVICE 1720 1738 connects from 1405 from London 1826 1935 from Paddington 2236 from Paddington Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 19, 2007, 17:43:18 The 67's for the shuttles have arrived in Cornwall so will probably be working as planned!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 19, 2007, 18:26:25 The 67's for the shuttles have arrived in Cornwall so will probably be working as planned! What about coaching stock? Is that here yet?Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 19, 2007, 19:37:18 1 black (royal) EWS 67 and one normal 67
6 Mk2fs 2 Guard/brake coaches. Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 19, 2007, 21:00:10 1 black (royal) EWS 67 and one normal 67 6 Mk2fs 2 Guard/brake coaches. To be totally ned-like is Royal Train liveried 67006 and EWS liveried 67012, to work top and tail with the eight mark twos that are all in Virgin livery. The rake has a half brake each end and features totally standard class seating... (which compared to HST refreshs will seem far superior to the passengers anyway). Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Shazz on October 19, 2007, 21:00:38 The 67's for the shuttles have arrived in Cornwall so will probably be working as planned! What about coaching stock? Is that here yet?Pics caught today (not mine) http://www.petertandy.co.uk/66725_5Z44_Evesham_181007.jpg http://www.petertandy.co.uk/66725_5Z44_stand_Eves_18100.jpg cant see that lasting long in peak times... Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 19, 2007, 21:05:12 Those pics were taken 300 miles away from where the 67's are working?????? ;D
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Shazz on October 19, 2007, 21:06:20 alegidly thats one of the DVT's thats going to be used down there...
(say the bristol rail forums) pics were from yesterday actually, not today. hurrah for typos! which would explain them being miles away Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 19, 2007, 21:23:40 1 black (royal) EWS 67 and one normal 67 6 Mk2fs 2 Guard/brake coaches. To be totally ned-like is Royal Train liveried 67006 and EWS liveried 67012, to work top and tail with the eight mark twos that are all in Virgin livery. The rake has a half brake each end and features totally standard class seating... (which compared to HST refreshs will seem far superior to the passengers anyway). Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 19, 2007, 22:09:28 1 black (royal) EWS 67 and one normal 67 6 Mk2fs 2 Guard/brake coaches. To be totally ned-like is Royal Train liveried 67006 and EWS liveried 67012, to work top and tail with the eight mark twos that are all in Virgin livery. The rake has a half brake each end and features totally standard class seating... (which compared to HST refreshs will seem far superior to the passengers anyway). Long journey to justify GM haulage! Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 19, 2007, 22:18:37 As far as i know the seating is all around tables which will please people. Yup, no airline seating on this rake ;) Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 19, 2007, 22:33:54 I really don't have the patience to sit on a bus, damn ;D
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 19, 2007, 22:35:05 I really don't have the patience to sit on a bus, damn ;D I'm lucky, I live here. 8)Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 20, 2007, 15:39:25 Got on the 2x67 and 6 Ex-Virgin MK2's rake today. Not bad. 1 brake coach and 5 standard class, good interior condition, all table seating.
Other units working were a 150(Local Lines Livery) on Falmouth branch, 153+150combo(150 was local lines) and a 5-car super voyager. Anybody now what else was being used? Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 20, 2007, 21:16:38 a 5-car super voyager. Bit of an problem, there just as crap ;D Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 20, 2007, 21:51:43 a 5-car super voyager. Bit of an problem, there just as crap ;D Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 21, 2007, 09:52:59 Sadly a lot of the public thing the refurb are new and therefore amazing!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 21, 2007, 15:56:51 Bit of a cock up today. Unit on mainline Cancelled all day, no guard. Other trains were running later to compensate for the gap keeping the customers angry. Meant first train into Penzance arrived at 11.30.
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 21, 2007, 23:51:23 Bit of a cock up today. Unit on mainline Cancelled all day, no guard. Other trains were running later to compensate for the gap keeping the customers angry. Meant first train into Penzance arrived at 11.30. Cornish day ranger???Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 22, 2007, 07:54:18 Bit of a cock up today. Unit on mainline Cancelled all day, no guard. Other trains were running later to compensate for the gap keeping the customers angry. Meant first train into Penzance arrived at 11.30. Cornish day ranger???Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: oooooo on October 24, 2007, 21:36:02 Virgins Voyager stuck in west Cornwall failed this morning and FGW came to the rescue using a spare 153 and crew and operating a Penzance - Bodmin - Penzance working vice VXC. Better than yesterday when the first working out of Penzance, FGW's 04:26 departure, was cancelled due to no driver OR guard!! Then the first HST up was 30 late due to more rostering errors. Centralised rostering, u know it makes sense :S
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Shazz on October 24, 2007, 21:51:19 Virgins Voyager stuck in west Cornwall failed this morning and FGW came to the rescue using a spare 153 and crew and operating a Penzance - Bodmin - Penzance working vice VXC. oh i bet those passengers had fun! Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 24, 2007, 22:01:31 Virgins Voyager stuck in west Cornwall failed this morning and FGW came to the rescue using a spare 153 and crew and operating a Penzance - Bodmin - Penzance working vice VXC. Better than yesterday when the first working out of Penzance, FGW's 04:26 departure, was cancelled due to no driver OR guard!! Then the first HST up was 30 late due to more rostering errors. Centralised rostering, u know it makes sense :S Same happened on Sunday.Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 24, 2007, 22:03:45 Virgins Voyager stuck in west Cornwall failed this morning and FGW came to the rescue using a spare 153 and crew and operating a Penzance - Bodmin - Penzance working vice VXC. oh i bet those passengers had fun! Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 24, 2007, 22:11:22 Virgins Voyager stuck in west Cornwall failed this morning and FGW came to the rescue using a spare 153 and crew and operating a Penzance - Bodmin - Penzance working vice VXC. oh i bet those passengers had fun! Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 25, 2007, 09:39:45 You mean to say FGW had spare stock?
Explain to me why a single 153 has been running on the Paignton* - Exmouth - Barnstaple route all half term ;) *Buses replacing trains from Newton Abbot - Paignton Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 25, 2007, 10:44:40 You mean to say FGW had spare stock? You'll have some nice 2 CAR class 142's soon! the Falmouth was a 153 for most of the week due to the engineering blockade, just something we gotta live with during engineering blockades. Think FGW would have struggled big time if they hadn't hired in the 67's and stock!Explain to me why a single 153 has been running on the Paignton* - Exmouth - Barnstaple route all half term ;) *Buses replacing trains from Newton Abbot - Paignton Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: TerminalJunkie on October 25, 2007, 16:29:19 Quote from: Liam Explain to me why a single 153 has been running on the Paignton* - Exmouth - Barnstaple route all half term ;) It's been mostly 150s in Barnstaple this week - and despite this the 0841 and 1040 from Barnstaple have been full and standing every day so far: indeed, there were - allegedly - 94 standing on the 1040 from Barnstaple this morning. Even the 1240 had a few standing passengers from Crediton today - entirely due to luggage on the seats, mind. Quote from: Liam *Buses replacing trains from Newton Abbot - Paignton The Paignton branch is quieter at half term, which is why it's closed for engineering then. Wessex always said so, so it must be true :-\ Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: devon_metro on October 25, 2007, 18:47:44 Could have fooled me!
Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Conner on October 25, 2007, 21:56:10 You mean to say FGW had spare stock? Yeh. In Cornwall they had tow HST's three 150's a 153 a voyager and the class 67's. They all had 1hour and a half turnaround time at Penzance.Explain to me why a single 153 has been running on the Paignton* - Exmouth - Barnstaple route all half term ;) *Buses replacing trains from Newton Abbot - Paignton Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: TerminalJunkie on October 25, 2007, 22:37:51 Quote from: TerminalJunkie there were - allegedly - 94 standing on the 1040 from Barnstaple this morning. I'm glad I put that "allegedly" in, as I've just seen a photo of the train in question, and unless 40 or 50 people got off at Umberleigh and Eggesford it wasn't even close to 94 standing... Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: vacman on October 25, 2007, 22:43:07 You mean to say FGW had spare stock? Yeh. In Cornwall they had tow HST's three 150's a 153 a voyager and the class 67's. They all had 1hour and a half turnaround time at Penzance.Explain to me why a single 153 has been running on the Paignton* - Exmouth - Barnstaple route all half term ;) *Buses replacing trains from Newton Abbot - Paignton Title: Re: Cornish mainline closure 20th-24th October Post by: Jim on October 26, 2007, 10:21:49 Virgins Voyager stuck in west Cornwall failed this morning and FGW came to the rescue using a spare 153 and crew and operating a Penzance - Bodmin - Penzance working vice VXC. Better than yesterday when the first working out of Penzance, FGW's 04:26 departure, was cancelled due to no driver OR guard!! Then the first HST up was 30 late due to more rostering errors. Centralised rostering, u know it makes sense :S FGW resources! Like talking to a brick wall?? This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |