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Network Rail recently installed a mast next to our home and now I am seriously ill when at home and fine as soon as I am away from here.
My doctor has proved that it must be caused by the electromagnetic pulse given off by these base stations there is no other explanation!!!
Visit my website for my story and let me know if you have suffered any effects from any base stations and masts.
http://www.networkrailmasts.co.uk

Thanks

Mike

Thanks for posting that introduction, Mikeb - and welcome to the Coffee Shop forum.

Chris  :)

http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/ (http://www.badscience.net/2006/05/attack-of-the-killer-kettles/)  ::)

good of you to provide proof of network rails admission of guilt

A neighbour of mine claimed to suffer serious illness from a similar mast.
These symptoms started as soon as the mast was constructed, and long before any equipment thereon was put into use.
Others have claimed illness from the WiFi "cloud" in central London, these symptoms started promptly after the advertising campaign that officialy launched the new service. No increase in illness was reported during the months of unadvertised testing.

Most of us have wifi in our homes, why do we not have a national epidemic?

Don't get me wrong I'm not denying that these masts could well cause these symptoms, however not even I the idiot that I am would accuse a company of injuring me without proof and then set up a website stating that network rail have admitted blame without publishing this admission of guilt.
As for radiation worries people would be surprised to see a list of things that give off radiation

You really should deny it, relex. Plenty of proper scientific studies have concluded that there are no adverse health effects from exposure to electromagnetic fields such as those generated by a mobile communications mast.

surely if these alleged health effects were known as made out to be then surely they would not be permitted to be erected in the first place

welcome to the forum.  SOrry you are ill and I hope you get better.  But I reserve the right to completely disbelieve that the mast in harming you (at least via its radiowaves rather than the much more plausible mechanism of spoiling your view and making you annoyed and unhappy) until you come up with some better evidence.  Do you even know that the mast is switched on yet?

From http://www.networkrailmasts.co.uk/services/latest-news (http://www.networkrailmasts.co.uk/services/latest-news)


I have no idea how the mast was supposedly tested, and in the absence of any information detailing how the "tests" were conducted and showing the data it's impossible to tell if they have any validity or meaning.


The "WHO letter" is neither reproduced nor cited. However the WHO has an extensive online resourse on this issue which does not really say what the OP claims it does; the link to the full article is http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html (http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html).

The balance of the article is that there has been extensive research on the issue (they quote 25,000 scientific publications) and no-one has proven any health consequences. As any scientist will tell you it is of course exceedingly difficult to prove a negative, but I'll quote a couple of paragraphs here:

From http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html (http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/index1.html):


(my emphasis)

See also Ben Goldacre's excellent article linked by TerminalJunkie above. Essentially the state of the art is that there is no proven link at all between EM radiation and health problems (let's remember that we're not necessarily talking about "scary" ionizing radiation from nuclaer power stations here, light is a type of EM radiation). Whilst people may experience symptoms that are undoubtedly real, the current evidence from the scientific literature is that they are unlikely to be caused by the EMF but more likely a more nebulous collection of environmental/social/psychlogical/other factors that are exceedingly difficult to pin down.

The clincher for me was the articles cited by Goldacre in what I, as a scientist, would call a properly controlled experiment. The basic principle of the method is that someone who claims hypersentivitity to EMF is exposed to a field but in such a way that they have no idea when it is on or when it is off. At risk of over-simplifying by summarizing the results in a few words, these studies apparently show that the test subject can't tell if the EMF is present or not.

I do however 100% belive that you can make yourself ill by worrying about things terminal junkie please forgive me for this as I am on my phone so no spell check, but is is psychosomatic the correct word

Spot on!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic_medicine#Connotations_of_the_term_.22psychosomatic_illness.22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosomatic_medicine#Connotations_of_the_term_.22psychosomatic_illness.22)

The information I retained from school was as impressive as that learnt from star trek I would be so much better off!  ::)

Interesting to see the various replies to my post.
I can tell you for a fact that I am not imagining the effects on my health and my doctor has proved it with a blood pressure monitor over 24 hours.
I would hate anyone to suffer as I have waking at night with what appears to be a the onset of a heart attack.I have seriously high blood pressure at home,fine when I am not here and it goes off the scale to life threatening if I stand 20 metres from the mast.All this has been seen by my doctor and now she tells me it has been researched and proven worldwide that a percentage of the population can be affected in various ways and that my mind cannot alter these tests.
This country chooses to ignore the findings.
My wife and children are so far unaffected
I live 200 metres down a drive in the middle of a field with no neighbours or industry nearby.Just me and now the mast.The doctor,cardiologist and experts in electromagentic radiation can find no other cause.
The expert in the field of EMF finds it amazing that this mast can give off the signals even when switched off !!!!
Apparently I have been told by the cardiologist that it is not the microwaves from these masts which affect anyone but the electromagnetic pulse given off which interferes with your bodies own electric pulse.

Can we have some links to this 'proven worldwide' research that your GP is quoting? I'd also suggest that GPs and cardiologists are not expert in the science of EMF.

I've no doubt that your symptoms are very real and for that you have my sympathy. However, I find it a huge leap of faith to believe that the cause is a GSM-R mast.

Could I also point out that is does your argument no favours when you bring into the equation; on your websites 'about us' page (before mentioning your health), the effect the mast has had on your view and property price.

Edited to fix over judicious use of the apostrophe.  :-[

i just spent 20 mins typing a reply....and have now deleted it!

so here is the short version

please do not take our disagreements against your ill-founded accusations against network rail as a dispute over the genuine illness that you have described

i personally think that the mast has caused this, but not in the way you believe proof of this can be provided !
 
mental illness takes many forms and should not be shunned aside or made fun of there is nothing to be embarraced about believe me!

just to put it into simple terms when ever your body does something ... bend your leg, blink your eye, pump your heart, your brain is controlling these actions in reaction to what ever situation you are in, that being said it is perfectly plausible  for your brain to produce these symptoms when ever you are close to the mast as you see it as a threat for whatever reason. i would seriously recommend seeking psychiatric help before your illness starts to have a similar effect on your family

as relex says pretty much
but
all the symptons you've described are connected to stress related illness,
stress causes blood pressure to rise, causing potential heart attacks etc

stress may be caused by the mast devaluing your property, and spoiling your view perhaps, or anything else really in life in general, with coincidence to the erections of the masts

as the mast isnt turned on yet, there is no chance of it causing illness, as their is no radio waves passing through it as yet,

i would also like to point out that editing ones post after several replies messes up continuity slightly ..........

Hmm. I'm going to pick you up on that particular point as well, Mikeb.

You have now amended your 'original post' to read as follows:


Please: for the benefit of those who have already replied to your original wording in good faith, would you explain what changes you have now made to your original post?

Thanks, Chris.

Gosh, MikeB, I hate to have to come in here too ... especially to say "oy" to a newly joined member. However ...

People have come along, Mike, and answered your original question / post.  They did so in good faith, but now feel that by changing your original post you have made their comments look rather silly.  I rather suspect that's not something you had realised might happen - it's a side effect that we all miss from time to time, so don't worry too much about it on this occasion.

For the record, here is a copy of the original text you posted, added so that anyone who comes back in the future will be able to read the thread and work it out in spite of the changes.   As a general note for all, I retrieved this text from backups - an action even beyond "admin" powers and the first time I have ever done it in 88,000 posts!


If you wish to go back to your original post and edit it yet again - but this time explain what you're changing and why so that it doesn't make some of the following elements look out-of-context / silly / stupid, that would be much appreciated.  And Chris and I can then tidy up our posts as appropriate.

Thanks

Graham

P.S. You appear to have deleted "Network Rail now admits that some people can become seriously ill if they live close to these masts." from your original

Edited to add the P.S. ... and to show you how an edit is acceptable with an explanation  ;)

Some very recent posts from this topic have been moved to The Lighter Side, to avoid deflecting this particular discussion.

See http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=8702.0