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Title: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: marky7890 on October 03, 2011, 05:37:27 pm
It is reported on SWRG that the 150121 2C47 1353 Plymouth-Penzance service has hit a person in the Longrock area,
Mainline Trains are starting and terminating at St Erth. However St Ives trains are being cancelled. Has the St Ives train been canceled so the mainline return service can run?

Edit: What I meant was, why were trains on the branch canceled when the person was hit on the mainline?



Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: thetrout on October 03, 2011, 05:53:20 pm
I wouldn't have thought so because the St Ive's trains use the bay platform at St Erth, which wouldn't be long enough to platform a HST.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on October 03, 2011, 06:11:01 pm
Might have been a temporary staffing problem if a crew change was due.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: smokey on October 03, 2011, 08:35:06 pm
Maybe the St Ives Unit was Nicked to work an Up service.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: vacman on October 03, 2011, 09:59:06 pm
Maybe the St Ives Unit was Nicked to work an Up service.
They wouldnt normally do that as to cancel the St Ives for a couple of hours means about 15 cancellations rather than cancelling 1 train on the main, but then I havent checked my Tyrell chack today so I dont know.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Smartie36 on October 03, 2011, 10:55:18 pm
Lucky I wasn't doing one of my day trips down to st ives today, not with all that going on.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Phil on October 04, 2011, 03:56:40 pm
That may well be how you feel, Smartie, and I'm all for honesty and the right to freedom of speech - however I'm sure the friends and family of the poor soul who lost his life yesterday don't feel quite as fortunate as you do, and neither does anyone involved with that particular train, both crew and passengers alike. My feelings certainly go out to them, and I'm afraid I have very little sympathy left over for you and the potential for interruption to your travel plans. Please don't take this as as admonition, but simply a request to have a little more consideration before posting in future. Thanks.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on October 04, 2011, 04:22:03 pm
however I'm sure the friends and family of the poor soul who lost his life yesterday don't feel quite as fortunate as you do

Agree totally with your sentiments Phil.  Just for the record it was a woman who died which in a strange way makes me feel worse.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Maxwell P on October 04, 2011, 09:29:30 pm
I understand that the victim was an elderly female who misjudged a foot crossing in the Longrock area.  Fatalities are dreadful at all times, but accidental deaths are especially harrowing. Sympathies to the bereaved and also to the train-crew involved, whom I believe, naturally enough, to be devastated.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 30, 2011, 04:08:14 pm
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/111003_Penzance.cfm) is carrying out an investigation into an accident which occurred at Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance on Monday 3 October 2011.

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Investigation into a fatal accident at Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance, Cornwall, 3 October 2011

At approximately 15:50 hrs on Monday 3 October 2011, a pedestrian was struck and killed on Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance, by train 2C47, the 13:53 hrs service from Plymouth to Penzance; formed by a two-car Class 150 diesel multiple unit.
The accident happened when the pedestrian was crossing from the south (beach) side of the crossing towards Long Rock village.  To reach the crossing pedestrians must first pass through a simple pedestrian gate.  There are no warning lights or audible alarms to alert users of approaching trains.  However, for trains heading towards Penzance, a sign has been provided 348 metres (381 yards) before the crossing to instruct train drivers to sound their horns to warn pedestrians of the approach of a train before it comes into view.  The driver of train 2C47 had sounded the horn when in proximity to this sign.

As the train approached the crossing, it was travelling at a speed of about 48 mph (77 km/h), slightly below the maximum permitted speed at this location.  Soon after becoming aware of the presence of the pedestrian, the driver sounded the train horn again and applied the brakes.  However, there was insufficient time to avoid the accident.

The RAIB will publish a report or a bulletin to present the findings of this investigation.  This will be available on the RAIB website.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 03, 2012, 06:23:31 pm
From the British Transport Police press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/ANNIVERSARY-APPEAL-FOLLOWING-LEVEL-CROSSING-DEATH-LONG-ROCK-PENZANCE-1854.aspx):

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ANNIVERSARY APPEAL FOLLOWING LEVEL CROSSING DEATH ^ LONG ROCK, PENZANCE

British Transport Police (BTP) officers are today appealing for anyone who witnessed a fatality at Mexico foot crossing at Long Rock, Penzance, Cornwall, on Monday, 3 October 2011 to come forward.

Jeanette Nicholls, aged 73, of Godolphin Road, Long Rock, died after being struck by the 1446hrs Par-Penzance First Great Western service shortly before 4pm on Monday, 3 October.

The incident is being treated as non-suspicious but, ahead of a forthcoming inquest into Mrs Nicholls^ death, BTP officers are appealing for anyone who may have witnessed the incident, or the events leading up to it, to come forward.

Detective Sergeant Jon Rawson, of BTP, said: ^On behalf of HM Coroner for Cornwall, we are making further enquiries into the tragic death of Mrs Nicholls ahead of the inquest.

^We have already spoken to a number of people in relation to the incident at Mexico foot crossing but I am today appealing for anyone who hasn^t already spoken to police, but who may have information which could assist our enquiries and assist the Coroner ahead of the inquest, to please come forward.^

Anyone who believes they will be able to assist is asked to contact British Transport Police on Freefone 0800 40 50 40, quoting incident number 379 of 03/10/2011.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 03, 2012, 06:42:48 pm
Without wishing to sound unduly crass, someone in the BTP press office might want to pick up a dictionary and check the meaning of the word "anniversary" ::)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bignosemac on June 21, 2012, 04:32:19 pm
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) has released its report into the fatal accident which occurred at Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance, 3 October 2011. The RAIB has made five recommendations.

http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2012/report102012.cfm

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Summary

At around 15:50 hrs on Monday 3 October 2011, a pedestrian was struck and fatally injured by a train on Mexico footpath crossing, near Penzance in Cornwall. On approaching the crossing round a curve, the train driver had observed a person standing to the side of the line and had sounded the warning horn immediately before the train reached the crossing. However, the pedestrian then attempted to cross and was struck.

Although it is not possible to be certain why the pedestrian attempted to cross, the RAIB considers that she either misjudged the speed of the approaching train or misjudged her position in relation to the approaching train. She probably saw the train too late to make a reasoned judgement about whether she should cross. The driver had also sounded the train^s horn as required by a lineside ^whistle^ board when the train was approximately 15-16 seconds from the crossing, and out of sight. If the pedestrian had heard and responded to the sounding of the train^s horn at this stage, it is likely that she would not have passed through the gate and onto the crossing until the train had passed. The RAIB considers that the sounding of the horn when the train was 15-16 seconds from the crossing did not serve its function of warning the crossing user of the approaching train for one of the following reasons:

  • the sound of the horn was inaudible to her; or
  • she heard a horn being sounded, but did not distinguish it as coming from a train; or
  • she did not register that the train horn was sounded, because she was only approaching the crossing at this time and not yet focused on crossing the railway.

The RAIB has made five recommendations. Three recommendations have been made to Network Rail regarding improvements to sighting and warning arrangements for pedestrians using Mexico footpath crossing, developing a national approach to the location and marking of decision points at level crossings and optimising warning arrangements for pedestrians at level crossings provided with whistle boards. One recommendation (in two parts) has been made to RSSB regarding improving intelligence on near-miss incidents at level crossings and enhancing its processes for reviewing the effect of changes made in 2007 to arrangements for sounding train horns at whistle boards. One recommendation has been made to First Great Western regarding a change to standards to require objective testing of horns after a train has been involved in an incident or accident.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 07, 2012, 06:20:04 pm
From This is Cornwall (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/story-17525251-detail/story.html?):

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'Deadly' railway crossing near Penzance could close following inquest

A railway crossing near Penzance which claimed the life of a grandmother when she was struck by a train last year has been recommended to be closed, following an inquest in Truro today.

Jeanette Nicholls, 73, died from multiple injuries received when using a footcrossing near the Mexico Inn in Long Rock on October 3 last year.

(http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275776/Article/images/17525251/4381979.jpg)
Jeanette Nicholls, who was struck on the Mexico footcrossing in Long Rock last October

Her death was the second on the crossing and followed five near misses, and two other incidents, to have occurred on the line since June 2007; the latest just a month before the accident.

It is the second fatality to have occurred on the crossing, following the death of Joy Mayo in 1972.

After a jury at the inquest had recorded a verdict of accidental death, coroner Barrie Van Den Berg made the recommendation that the crossing is closed in favour of a level crossing further down the line.

Speaking after the inquest, Mrs Nicholls' family said they were delighted with the outcome. Her daughter, Vanessa Webster, said: "The family is very pleased with the verdict of accidental death following today's inquest and especially heartened by the coroner's recommendation to close the crossing.

"We hope that Network Rail and the relevant councils progress this closure as soon as possible to prevent further tragedies. It is the second death that  has happened on the line, five near misses and two other incidents reported since 2007. It's an accident waiting to happen."

The inquest heard how Mrs Nicholls, who is from village, had been struck by a the First Great Western Service from Plymouth to Penzance at 3.50pm, crossing the line towards Long Rock from a coastal path.

Train driver Nina Hampton, who was absolved of any responsibility for the accident, described how she had sounded her horn after seeing Mrs Nicholls on the crossing. She said: "I would say I was about 100-150 metres away when I saw a lady standing to the left of the crossing.  I blew the horn a second time, she then turned and faced the train and I hit the brake."

Mrs Hampton then described how she had felt a bang on the front of the train before stopping just past a level crossing a couple of hundred metres down the line.

Mrs Nicholls was treated on the scene but died from multiple injuries.

John Cope, from the Rail Accident Investigation Branch, said he could not be certain what caused Mrs Nicholls to be hit but recommended Network Rail consider whether improvements could be made to sighting, review where whistle boards are placed and conduct a nation-wide review to improve warnings at level crossings.

Chris Denham from Network Rail said: "Our thoughts are with Mrs Nicholls' family and Network Rail supports their view that the level crossing should be closed. We will work closely with Cornwall  Council to try to achieve that aim and await details of the coroner's recommendations. We have closed more than 600 level crossings since 2009 and continue with that programme as we try to reduce areas of risk on the railway."

A spokesperson for Cornwall Council added: "We would welcome the invitation from Network Rail to investigate the closure of the crossing. Any proposed closure would be first subject to consultation."


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: LiskeardRich on December 07, 2012, 06:21:53 pm
This was the first article of Westcountry ITV news tonight at 6pm, not sure if can be seen on Iplayer.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: chrisoates on December 20, 2012, 09:43:14 pm
Crossing to be closed until further notice.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: folrmc on February 16, 2013, 02:36:15 pm
It is reported on SWRG that the 150121 2C47 1353 Plymouth-Penzance service has hit a person in the Longrock area,
Mainline Trains are starting and terminating at St Erth. However St Ives trains are being cancelled. Has the St Ives train been canceled so the mainline return service can run?

Edit: What I meant was, why were trains on the branch canceled when the person was hit on the mainline?


Now NR wants to close the crossing.

Edit note:   Quote marks moved to clarify.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on February 16, 2013, 02:53:27 pm
Welcome to the forum folrmc.  I've just tidied up your opening post to clarify the quote and your post.  Have you a view on the crossing remaining open or being closed?


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: chrisoates on February 17, 2013, 12:49:56 am
Welcome to the forum folrmc.  I've just tidied up your opening post to clarify the quote and your post.  Have you a view on the crossing remaining open or being closed?

I used the crossing a lot - at minimum if re-opened it would need to be light controlled which would be very simple as there is a controlled crossing nearby
Sighting of 'down' trains is poor there as the up and down lines merge to single track -  the single line appearing from around a bend where the 'W' board is sited.
I've had a close one there when I didn't hear the horn of a 150.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: grahame on February 17, 2013, 07:55:08 am
It is reported on SWRG that the 150121 2C47 1353 Plymouth-Penzance service has hit a person in the Longrock area,
Mainline Trains are starting and terminating at St Erth. However St Ives trains are being cancelled. Has the St Ives train been canceled so the mainline return service can run?

Edit: What I meant was, why were trains on the branch canceled when the person was hit on the mainline?


Now NR wants to close the crossing.

Edit note:   Quote marks moved to clarify.


Is "folrmc" one for our abbreviations list - "Friends Of Long Rock Mexico Crossing"?

Note of caution - I don't personally know the area, so comments made will be general and in the form of questions ...

History.   Accident on crossing, October 2011, pedestrian killed.  Not the first fatality there - a number of near misses reported in recent years, and if you look back to 1972 you'll find another fatality.  At the December 2012 inquest, the coroner recommended the closure of the foot crossing, with a suggestion that people use a level crossing further down the line. However, users and businesses say that this makes for more problems, with people having to risk their lives walking on a dangerous road instead, and also that the (current temporary) closure is having a massive negative effect on the area served by the crossing. Network Rail now proposes permanent closure.   Is that a correct summary?

It strikes me that there are three options
a) Close the crossing permanently
b) Take measures which will make it safer
c) Leave it "as is" open.

Observations

* Any crossings of a railway line (level, bridge; foot, vehicle) are going to cost more to provide and support than a stretch of straight track, so it's in the infrastructure provider's financial and operation interest to eliminate as many of them as possible.

* We put a very high priority onto rail safety, even though (for most categories) rail is much safer than road. If the lady in question had died as a result of being hit by a road vehicle on the neighbouring road, I doubt whether the accident would have made such headlines, nor would it have resulted in footpath or vehicle closure of that road.

* There's often a temptation to react with an expensive solution where alternative lower cost ones are available.

Discuss  ;)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: LiskeardRich on February 17, 2013, 10:13:24 am
What would the costings be of a footbridge to install, assume this would be a lot cheaper than a lights system which would need electrical circuits in the track.
Should the crossing not reopen, can I ask what is wrong with the pavement along the main road, which is normally shielded from the traffic by a row of parked cars. I therefore dont see the objection of the busy main road as a valid objection.
I was at Long Rock and used the level crossing on Thursday, so these are fairly recent observations.

The foot crossing is down the lane where the "keep clear" markings are on the road here http://goo.gl/maps/CGznZ follow the road to where the level crossing is.
The level crossing is down this road. http://goo.gl/maps/Se56D all are within a 30mph zone, (nice shot of the night riviera loco here as well)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 17, 2013, 11:09:12 am
The proposal to close this foot crossing is not new: from the Rail Accident Investigation Branch report (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/120621_R102012_Mexico_FPC.pdf) on the sad death of Jeanette Nicholls:

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Other reported actions

132 Network Rail has applied to Cornwall Council to have Mexico footpath crossing closed, diverting users to the nearby Long Rock CCTV crossing, where they would be fully protected from the railway by barriers when trains are approaching. Historical information held by Network Rail indicates that:
- Mexico footpath crossing had been a vehicular right of way until 1961. When the crossing was closed to vehicles at that time, Cornwall County Council said that there was a prescriptive right of way through the crossing and that it could not be closed to all users.
- British Rail had applied again to close the crossing in 1991, but this was rejected by County, District and Parish Councils.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2013, 11:41:40 pm
From the Falmouth Packet (http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/10348637._/?):

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Request to stop people using Longrock rail crossing

Network Rail has formally applied to asked to close the Long Rock pedestrian level crossing at Mexico Inn, in the interests of public safety.

Cornwall Council is carrying out informal consultation with a range of groups with an interest in the future of a footpath across the main line railway following the request.

Section 118A of the Highways Act 1980 gives specific powers to relevant authorities, such as Cornwall Council, to make public path orders to close public rights of way where they cross railways.

The grounds for making a Rail Crossing Extinguishment Order are specific and apply where it appears to be in the interests of public safety.

Before it determines whether or not to exercise its power to make a Rail Crossing Extinguishment decision, the Council has written to a number of organisations and individuals including emergency services, utility companies, Ludgvan Parish Council and people who have previously contacted the Council.

The purpose of this letter is to carry out informal consultations and to seek information which will assist it in determining whether the crossing should be closed on these grounds.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on April 15, 2013, 08:59:20 am
There has been quite a campaign to save the crossing

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex1.jpg)

When I was there in March there were similar signs on all the lamposts/telegraph polls leading up to the closed crossing

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex2.jpg)

The alternative is the road crossing at the end of the Long Rock depot.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex3.jpg)

The diversion is less than five minutes walk but does mean swapping a stroll along the sea front for one along a busy road.



Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 15, 2013, 06:38:38 pm
The diversion is less than five minutes walk but does mean swapping a stroll along the sea front for one along a busy road.

The busy road does have a pavement and a row of parked cars between the pavement and the traffic.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on April 15, 2013, 07:22:19 pm
Agreed - but still not as appealing as the other route.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 15, 2013, 08:38:06 pm
To be fair - those "arrogant bullies" ( :o ) at Network Rail are simply following a recommendation from the coroner,

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After a jury at the inquest had recorded a verdict of accidental death, coroner Barrie Van Den Berg made the recommendation that the crossing is closed in favour of a level crossing further down the line.

Speaking after the inquest, Mrs Nicholls' family said they were delighted with the outcome. Her daughter, Vanessa Webster, said: "The family is very pleased with the verdict of accidental death following today's inquest and especially heartened by the coroner's recommendation to close the crossing.

"We hope that Network Rail and the relevant councils progress this closure as soon as possible to prevent further tragedies. It is the second death that has happened on the line, five near misses and two other incidents reported since 2007. It's an accident waiting to happen."

and an invitation from Cornwall Council,

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A spokesperson for Cornwall Council added: "We would welcome the invitation from Network Rail to investigate the closure of the crossing. Any proposed closure would be first subject to consultation."


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2013, 10:24:32 am
From The Cornishman (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cabinet-consider-Long-Rock-crossing-closure-order/story-19939794-detail/story.html):

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Cabinet to consider Long Rock crossing closure order

The decision to close the pedestrian crossing in Long Rock will go before a meeting at County Hall next month.

Cornwall Council's Cabinet will decide whether the August 14 extinguishment order should go to the Secretary of State for approval.

(http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/275776/Article/images/19939794/5390291.jpg)
Councillor Roy Mann at the 'extinguished' Mexico railway crossing.

The crossing was closed at the request of Cornwall's Deputy Coroner in December 2012 following the death of Jeanette Nicholls at the spot.

Ludgvan councillor Roy Mann requested the closure be brought to the Cabinet, and said: "This is the fairest way to make this decision. I've always supported the reopening of the crossing. Indeed, myself and my family have used it. Accident stats say it has a 1 in 11 million chance of an accident. I'd say there's a greater chance of an accident on the roads in Long Rock. Ninety-eight per cent of residents support the reopening of the crossing. Local support should be respected if localism means anything."

The decision to close the crossing permanently was delegated to Peter Marsh, the council's director of environment, after he inspected the site earlier in the year.

Following more than 100 objections to the closure order, if the council wishes the order to be made permanent it is legally obliged to send it to central Government for confirmation.

However, Cornwall Council has the power to overrule the extinguishment order before the Cabinet meeting.

Those who formally objected to the order have been told by letter that the meeting will take place on November 27.

Rob Nance, chairman of the Friends of Long Rock Mexico Crossing (FLRMC), said the impending Cabinet discussion was welcome news. "This is what we wanted," he said. "We hope they look at the order again and see that the statistics have been wrongly interpreted by Network Rail. We're 99 per cent sure that if the decision went to the Secretary of State, we'd win. It would be a complete waste of time to do it. We welcome members of the Cabinet to come and see the site. I think they will revoke it."

FLRMC plans to attend the council meeting en masse, with the hope of being able to put questions directly to the members of the Cabinet during the 15 minutes allowed for this. Questions must be submitted in advance by e-mail to cabinet@cornwall.gov.uk and must be received a full two days before the meeting.

Those unable to attend can watch the meeting via a live webcast on the council website at www.cornwall.gov.uk


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 30, 2014, 10:10:04 pm
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-30627608):

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'Fatal' Penzance level crossing is permanently closed

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79975000/jpg/_79975736_1267142_649786641712160_1671366721_o.jpg)
Jan Nicholls, 73, died after being hit by a train at the crossing in 2011

A railway crossing where a woman was hit by a train and killed is to be permanently closed.

The Planning Inspectorate ruled the Mexico Inn pedestrian crossing near Penzance should be closed for safety reasons.

Jan Nicholls, 73, died after being hit by a train at the crossing in 2011.

The Open Spaces Society said it was "dismayed" at the decision to close the path which it described as "extremely important".

In response to the decision Network Rail chief executive Mark Carne said: "In my view the safest level crossing is a closed level crossing."

However, Mr Carne said he accepted the "vital role" played by level crossings in "connecting communities".

"In this particular case it's somewhat inconvenient to have to walk a little bit up the road in order to use the barriered crossing," he said. "But given that most people are going for a recreational walk I don't think the risk increase associated with the Mexico crossing justifies it remaining open."

The crossing was closed on a temporary basis in December 2012 after advice from the coroner.

The decision to close the crossing permanently was taken following an inquiry held in October 2014.

Rob Nance, chairman of Friends of Long Rock Mexico Crossing, said: "It's more for the people who just want to get across quickly and have a look at the bay, which includes a lot of elderly people who can't really make the other route."

The Open Spaces Society said the crossing was a popular route and needed by the public to gain access to the beach.

Kate Ashbrook, general secretary, said: "This path is extremely important for local people and visitors. With the other objectors we shall study the decision letter carefully and consider whether we can take the matter further."


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: bobm on October 17, 2020, 03:06:07 pm
Six years apart - Mexico Crossing then and now

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/mex4.jpg)


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 17, 2020, 03:37:11 pm
Anyone fancy telling Google? I don't seem to have much luck with this kind of thing...


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2020, 05:08:51 pm
.....wasn't someone talking about building a wall?


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TonyK on October 19, 2020, 02:16:35 pm
Anyone fancy telling Google? I don't seem to have much luck with this kind of thing...

I'll have a bash.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TonyK on October 31, 2020, 04:11:59 pm
I have had a reply, and the map has been edited.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50550458833_cb1976f698_w.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50551227581_c5c8d956a9.jpg)

I suspect I fared better than you because of my earlier success in a hard-won battle to get my house marked correctly. This wasn't out of vanity, but from having to direct people for the last half-mile from the former petrol station where Google thought I lived.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 31, 2020, 08:18:59 pm
Well they're still telling me that they can't verify the fact that Bristol Bridge is closed to private cars. But they're no longer routing cars over it. Go figure!


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: TonyK on November 01, 2020, 05:00:05 pm
Well they're still telling me that they can't verify the fact that Bristol Bridge is closed to private cars. But they're no longer routing cars over it. Go figure!

I told them that it was closed following a fatal accident and an inquest. That trumps a Marvellous Marvin Mayoral Mandate.


Title: Re: Person hit by Train - Longrock Area - 3 October 2011
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 01, 2020, 05:45:51 pm
Well they're still telling me that they can't verify the fact that Bristol Bridge is closed to private cars. But they're no longer routing cars over it. Go figure!

I told them that it was closed following a fatal accident and an inquest. That trumps a Marvellous Marvin Mayoral Mandate.

...even when it's backed up by Kye's Careful Car-free Consideration?



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