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Very few trains running.
Initial reports suggested failure of the new signalling at City Thameslink, though later delays blamed on signal failure at Cricklewood.

Afternoon trains from the Catford loop line either cancelled or diverted to London Victoria.

Hoped things might have improved for my return journey from City Thameslink at about 18-30, but no effective southbound service running.
Numerous announcements advising NORTHBOUND passengers to use buses or London underground to St Pancras, or to use other operators services.

No announcements for SOUTHBOUND passengers for a long while.
Eventually it was anounced that passengers for stations to Sevenoaks should take the number 11 bus to Victoria, from which "some" services would run.
On arrival at Victoria there was a Sevenoaks service advertised to leave at 20-13, it eventually left at about 20-30.
Took over 2 hours for a 30 minute journey.

I do of course accept that things go wrong, but this sort of experience does seem rather frequent on FCC.

There is major surgery happening on the Thameslink centre core all of it requires interfacing new equipment with old obsolete equipment which is normally manageable however on Thameslink they have so many of these; Thameslink work also spreads out from the centre core onto the MML, ECML as well as the Southern routes.  Any other industry would close it down, rebuild it and reopen it, there would be to much public uproar to do this.

The good news London Bridge layout rebuild starts soon

City Thameslink gone tits up again tonight - power failure yet again

Not suprising, Thameslink is a weekday only, fair-weather only railway, I avoid using it at weekends, or in bad weather.
The southern parts are third rail electric (unreliable in snow or ice), the northern bit is OHLE which is unreliable in windy weather, and inbetween we have new improved signalling !

I appreciate that upgrades are required, but will it be any better afterwards ?
The re-signalled and otherwise improved parts of the underground now seem to be worse than before which does not fill me with hope !

I'm supposed to be travelling on FCC later today (with the free tickets).  Crossing my fingers, hoping that nothing breaks!

It does not seem to be getting any better, despite all the upgrades and improvements.
I avoid FCC as much as possible and know that it is a "weekday only, fair weather only" railway but thought that I would chance it tonight.

Intended to catch the 17-31 from City Thameslink to Sevenoaks. Initialy announced as delayed, then as arriving "soon" and eventually arrived about 18-10.
The voice announcements and the departure indicators gave contradictory information, and several times both were wrong.
Grossly overcrowded train that became progressively later en-route as passengers tried to board.
Large numbers left behind at Elephant and Castle.
The en-route announcement "this train is being diverted" merely added a little confusion since it was not in fact diverted.
By FCC standards this was not in fact that bad, less than an hour late and I just about got standing room, seats being VERY last year on FCC.

In view of the gross, and some might say dangerous overcrowding, it might have seemed sensible to await the next train, but last time I did that the next train was even worse ! And when I applied for delay compensation I was told that none was payable because I had "choosen to extend the journey time by not taking the first available train"

I have added to this old thread, rather than start a new one, to illustrate that nothing has changed. A single nights delay of course proves nothing, but this still seems very frequent on FCC.
And yes I know that the new state of art signalling is not the fault of the TOC, but they could at least make accurate announcements.

Thanks for the update - yes, good idea to stick with the same thread.  I took one of their trains from Farringdon yesterday ... noticeable how everything showed "on time" until a couple of minutes before it was due, then slipped; actual departures (and I had to wait 20 minutes for my particular service) all about 5 minutes late. But then the same slippage is common in Wiltshire too - always looks like good running on the display even if everything's a bit late  ;)

I don't mind a few minutes delay - usually (I will tonight; need to connect to 17:45 off Paddington), but your 40 minutes is a bit much!

Two people were also hit by a train yesterday evening at Elstree, so not a good day for FCC.

Which played in my favour late last night when I caught a heavily delayed Brighton train 15 minutes before the one I planned to catch....

The two persons hit by a train was not until about 21-00, so the delays earlier in the evening was not due to that.
Just normal FCC/ network rail cockups.

I suppose eventually it will get better, but we have had some years of improvements without any discernable increase in reliability.

TLP Key Output 1which includes Farringdon and Blackfriares is complete, just some finishing touches and snagging, a lot of traction power supply upgrading was done.  As part of Key output 2 new train care are Three Bridges ,Brighton, Cricklewood, Hornsey, Peterborough Bedford Selhurst etc is being refurbished built; signalling through the Core Area will be upgraded to Automatic Train Operation and controlled from TBROC (Three Bridges Route Control Centre) which includes the closing of the south panel in Westhampstead Panel Signal Box.  The fitting out of Canal Tunnels and the biggest job the rebuild of London Bridge Station (which make the rebuild of Reading look small)

Bad again last night.
I intended to catch the 17-57 from City Thameslink to Sevenoaks.

The platform was overcrowded, in my view to the point of danger, with most southbound services significantly delayed.

Whilst waiting for my train, I observed at least two southbound services consisting of 4 cars only. As regular FCC victims joked "those must be the new longer trains that we are paying extra for"

The 17-57 arrived at about 18-23 and was grossly overcrowded so I decided to wait for the 18-21 which was advertised as leaving on time, this seeming improbable as the platform was occupied by the late running 17-57.

In fact the 18-21 was also badly delayed and overcrowded, so I waited for the one after that which was only a few minutes behind.


The total delay was only about an hour, which is fairly good by FCC standards.


What annoyed me as much were the contunal daft and inane anouncements at City Thameslink "please stand behind the platform edge" And how could you stand in front of the platform edge ?

And the alternating announcements of "please use the full length of the platform" followed by "next train is formed of 4 carriages, please move to the far end of the platform"

In fact the platform was so crowded that moving was almost impossible at one point.

Yet again, I am well aware that one nights disruption is not that significant, but this seems very frequent.