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31  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: Bristol Temple Meads / Bristol Parkway closures, May 2017 on: May 17, 2017, 09:13:14
As a result of the closures I took the unusual opportunity to make a return trip from Swindon to Bristol TM(resolve) by Cross Country HST (High Speed Train) on Sunday. With just one stop at Bath the journey was slightly quicker than usual, and blasting through Chippenham at 125mph on the return was a first for me!  Cool

Would of been 110mph, services without ATP (Automatic Train Protection) cannot run above 110 mph on ATP fitted lines (except Reading to Didcot) due to the setup of the TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System) equipment.
32  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Source of information displayed on the CIS on: March 23, 2017, 11:37:53
Which leads me to the question........ Who/What is responsible for the detail shown on the CIS (Customer Information System)?

GWR (Great Western Railway) are. It looks like someone didn't do a very good job of matching the times of the Trowbridge stops with the times of the VSTP paths. 1J99 was set to be advertised on the CIS for 1716, that being 50 minutes after it should ofhave left Pewsey!

Thanks for the explanation Louis94. However, I guess you meant 50 minutes after Taunton as 1J99 was headed towards Pewsey?

Nope, after Pewsey. 1J99 was (and is today as well actually) advertised for 1716 departing Trowbridge, this being 50 minute after it was originally (without diversion) due to leave Pewsey (1626).

This has the side effect of causing the train to be advertised online, and maybe at stations, as being over an hour late from Pewsey onwards. When in fact, as can be seen from the VSTP schedule on RTT» (Real Time Trains - website), it will be just over 20 minutes late.
33  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Source of information displayed on the CIS on: March 21, 2017, 20:25:53
Which leads me to the question........ Who/What is responsible for the detail shown on the CIS (Customer Information System)?

GWR (Great Western Railway) are. It looks like someone didn't do a very good job of matching the times of the Trowbridge stops with the times of the VSTP paths. 1J99 was set to be advertised on the CIS for 1716, that being 50 minutes after it should of left Pewsey!
34  Journey by Journey / London to the West / Re: Speed limits on the Westbury avoider on: October 19, 2016, 22:30:47
One of the sites like Realtraintimes or Opentraintimes did used to show a list of TSRs (Temporary Speed Restriction) - it is one of the Network Rail datafeeds - but I cannot find one showing it now.
They are posted on the Railway Performance Society's forum.  This weeks list is at http://www.railperformancedata.org.uk/index/siteforum-list-action/post.3398/title.tsrs-15th-21st-october-

From that it seems that there are two separate 50 mph TSRs on the Up Westbury Avoiding Line.  One as stated above due to crossing safety an the other due to track condition.  Considering there is only 1 mile and 24 chains between the end of one and the start of the other, I wonder how much the driver s able to accelerate before they have to start braking again.  It can't be that far between the T board for the first and the warning board for the second.
Looks like the second one is between Clink Road Junction (Frome) and Fairwood Junction (Westbury) as its a 4 mile stretch.  The track on that part has been getting worse for the past few years (all those heavy stone trains) and it looks as though its got to the point of 'no return' Tongue  Going that way on Sunday so will find out.

The second one (track condition) seems to cover the Fairwood Junction itself and slightly after - 97 miles to 97 miles 2 chains (which is where the mileage changes to 111 miles 18 chains at Fairwood Junction.) Only half the line speed you would otherwise be going (without the other TSR of course)  Grin
35  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Christmas/New Year 2016 Engineering Work on: October 10, 2016, 21:40:34
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Saturday 31 December An amended service will run with trains finishing earlier than then normal timetable (from 22:00 on most routes). New years eve special trains will run. The 00:05, 00:30 and 01:00 London Paddington to Twyford services will extend to Reading.
This quote seems curious. Normally if you are at Paddington and see Twyford on the departure boards as the destination you'll find that it actually continues to Reading anyway. Reason being is that GWR (Great Western Railway) don't want Reading passengers unintentionally catching a slower stopping service when they could get a non stop service instead. At all other calling stations the train will be advertised as being for Reading.

Those trains do actually terminate at Twyford on Sunday mornings, engineering works. Trains at that time of night won't be advertised as Twyford anyway, as there is no other services to Reading!
36  Journey by Journey / Cross Country services / Re: Double voyager in Cornwall. on: August 07, 2016, 22:21:16
I was on this train from Plymouth, I think you've got your ends mixed up, the front set upon arrival at Plymouth was loaded and this was Coaches A-F. I can only presume that you mean the rear set (at the Buffers at Newquay) was not in use throughout Cornwall.

This train isn't normally a 9 car, it is booked an 8 car. As an 8-car from Bodmin Parkway to Plymouth the rear coach is locked out of use, it is permitted for the rear coach to be locked out of use and the set be in passenger service. However as a 9-car the rear 2 coaches are required to be locked out of use and as far as I am aware this isn't allowed in service and requires the whole set to be out of use. Therefore it was possible to unlock the rear set from Plymouth, with only the rear coach locked out of use until Newton Abbot - for the short platform at Totnes.
37  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Named trains - Questions on: June 20, 2016, 13:22:56
So far then, thanks to the above posters, stations where the audio announcement system has support for named trains include:
Paddington, Reading, Bath Spa, Westbury, Bristol Parkway and Plymouth.

1) It doesn't matter where you go as only some names are stored in the announcements system. So at Plymouth for example, you'll hear the 'Cornish Riviera Express' but not 'The Atlantic Coast Express'.
Ah, I had assumed the Welsh stations I'd visited didn't mention named trains because the voices used (a man speaking Welsh and a woman in English) hadn't been recorded saying them, but that the voice at Westbury etc. had done all of them. Does the 'The Atlantic Coast Express' appear on the LED displays or is that tied to the announcements? Does anybody know if 'The Pembroke Coast Express' is in the system?

Named trains should be announced at all GWR (Great Western Railway) stations, everywhere should have the same announcement clips. GWR did recently recorded the newest named trains as they had not been recorded before.

I've heard a great number of them announced: Atlantic Coast Express at Plymouth, Royal Duchy at Exeter, The Bristolian at Swindon, Red Dragon at Bristol Parkway, The Cheltenham Spa Express at Gloucester, Torbay Express at Paignton, etc.

You won't hear named trains announced in Wales as Arriva Trains Wales don't set them up to be announced. They can however announce them, back when the ex-Wessex stations used to have Ruth (the female english announcer), it used to announce them.

Atlantic Coast Express should appear on the screens, it is all linked, so if you setup a named train it will appear on the screens and be announced if the station has the ability to. (which it should)

Pembroke Coast Express should be in the system, but it relies on staff knowing that there is a named train,etc.
38  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: 20:12 to 20:06 - why? on: May 06, 2016, 11:07:15
Curiously that service is shown on RTT» (Real Time Trains - website) as reversing at Bristol Parkway. And indeed it is allowed 10 mins from departing BPW» (Bristol Parkway - next trains) to passing FAW. Of course a reversal at BPW itself isn't possible, and I wouldn't have thought it would have time to reverse at Patchway Jn or Filton West Jn (and what would be the reason?), so it's a bit puzzling.

Mistake on the planners part, accidentally made the call a reverse activity.

Via Bristol Parkway of course to allow for this before a bank holiday weekend:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/V12269/2016/05/27/advanced
39  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: First Great Western rebrands to Great Western Railway and related department changes on: October 15, 2015, 19:14:15
It needs an NLC (National Location Code) three-character code....

The CIS (Customer Information System) dosent use the NLC codes, it uses the TIPLOCs. Of which Buckfastleigh is BUCFAST. The CIS knows the names to be associated with each TIPLOC, and if no name is associated with it the TIPLOC will display on the screens.

That was also once the case at Oxford when there was a CrossCountry service terminating at Manchester Oxford Road. So the announcement went "The next train on Platform 2 is the 17:00 Virgin Trains service to <pause>, calling at Banbury [...], Stockport, Manchester Piccadilly, and <pause>". Ironic given that the CIS presumably had the words "Manchester", "Road", and indeed "Oxford" recorded as parts of other phrases...

Sounds exactly like what used to happen with the Frome train on the Thames Trains system.
40  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: "Extremely dangerous": 200 passengers stop Bristol train and walk up tracks on: September 29, 2015, 16:50:00
Edit: Reading the article at http://epigram.org.uk/news/2015/09/chaos-on-train-to-tokyo-world suggests that possibly the cord was pulled at some point after the train was halted.

If that is the case sounds like they stopped at the red signal after departing Clifton Down station, maybe the signaller stopping the train to tell the driver not to call at Redland(?), dangerous really as stopping there would indicate perhaps waiting a train to come off the single line.
41  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: First Great Western rebrands to Great Western Railway and related department changes on: September 26, 2015, 10:19:22
I might have missed it, but have the automated platform announcements been updated? If they have

Have they been updated at Non FGW (First Great Western) managed stations e.g. Guildford, Cardiff etc?

and just to speculate, if the original voice over artist is not available to record new phrases, would they get someone else to:
  • record the phrase to slot in to the existing recording
  • re-record the entire recording for that particular journey
  • or re-record the entire catalogue of train companies and destinations?


South West Trains have updated their automated platform announcements, Southern use the same system (Except at a few principal stations - Gatwick) so I assume they have. Not sure about Arriva Trains Wales.

With regards to if original voice over artist is unavailable. You have 4 options:
  • Find someone with a similar voice to recorded the new requirements
  • Remove the voice all together (If it is part of a two or more voice system)
  • Re-record everything in a new voice
  • Don't bother in a situation like this, and don't announce the operators name

"Re-record the entire recording for that particular journey" as you said isn't possible as announcements are not recorded 'per journey' but just as recordings of individual phrases or words that can be put together in the order required.
42  Journey by Journey / Heart of Wessex / Re: Saturday HST to Weymouth on: June 26, 2015, 15:32:47
I've further checked with FGW (First Great Western) Customer Services who indicated HST (High Speed Train) resources would be reallocated to Glastonbury traffic for this weekend, with the HST service returning the following Saturday (4 July).

Everyone keeps mentioning Glastonbury, but there isn't actually any extra services on the Saturday, leading to my opinion of the reason for the HST being taken off the Weymouth service being because of the closure between Cardiff and Newport - limiting the amount of HSTs that can come in from Landore depot in Swansea.
43  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment on: June 15, 2015, 23:02:03
The "markers" you describe at Reading are completely different, merely a car stop marker, guiding where to stop a train returning out of the station the same way and are nothing to do with the signalling.

The 'X' signs at Bristol Temple Meads are classed as signals and may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller.

I think the point is that the X boards at Reading SHOULD be replaced by proper signals. They are not just a guide or car stop marker - they are mandatory stop positions at the end of their own separate track sections and I think I^m right in saying a train that wrongly passes an X board is treated as a SPAD (Signal Passed At Danger)

I see no difference between the Bristol and Reading situations.  As I understand it the X boards at Reading, to quote your words, ^may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller^.  So just like Bristol.

So why does Bristol get signals and Reading not?


To add to what IndustryInsider has said, remember the platform faces at Bristol Temple Meads are longer than those at Reading (some almost 400 metres) and are classed as two separate platforms (Reading having A and B ends of platforms does not count - i'm referring to the Sectional Appendix). Also the platforms at Bristol are used by far more reversing services where there is a potential for a train to already occupying the other end of the platforms, having mid platform signals will mean trains won't need to be cautioned into the station with shunt aspect (two white lights) as is the case in this situation now.
44  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: Bristol Temple Meads Station redevelopment on: June 14, 2015, 20:07:58

 The existing 'X' signs that divide the platforms into two parts at Temple Meads station will in future be divided by proper 'back to back' signals.


So someone has recognised that  the markers at Reading are not much good and you need proper signals.

The "markers" you describe at Reading are completely different, merely a car stop marker, guiding where to stop a train returning out of the station the same way and are nothing to do with the signalling.

The 'X' signs at Bristol Temple Meads are classed as signals and may only be passed with the appropriate authority - either a platform number on the indicators outside the station which is beyond the 'X' or permission from the signaller.
45  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion on: June 13, 2015, 22:26:55
For those two weeks, Trowbridge will share the distinction with Coombe of being a station where trains pull up just short of the station (not at a platform) and reverse to carry on their journey.  I can kinda understand it at Coombe ... at a county town with a population of around 30,000 and 850,000 passenger journeys per year, it seems a bit of an odd thing to be doing!

Do you count about a mile away as just short of the station then? I don't think I would...
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