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1  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: Go-Op Cooperative - update on: January 10, 2022, 14:23:00
Just checked their website - this says-

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A key part of GO-OP (Original Poster / topic starter)’s mission is to reduce environmental impacts travel and adopt sustainable modes of transport. A big leap forward for GO-OP in this area is the recent completion of an innovate UK (United Kingdom) funded feasibility study proving that a nine-tonne battery can be added to readily available 319 train sets to operate efficiently on non-electrified mainline routes – a solution known as a 769 IPEMU (Independely Powered Electic Multiple Unit (train running on batteries)). GO-OP hopes to pave the way for the electrification of routes where overhead line power delivery is either incomplete or absent and impractical to install. It requires not only advanced battery technology on the train itself, but also lineside batteries to support rapid recharging. Further work is now underway to begin preparing units. This electrification of stations may also allow for an expansion of electric car club services, and interchange on to electric buses, in the future.

This is an ambitious project in itself, and will take at least the rest of 2021 to deliver. Therefore, in the first instance GO-OP plan to use Class 156s', diesel multiple-units, for a transitional service.

Note the bold I have added to the quote above and then see...

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repurposed Class 153 units.  The configuration below - courtesy of Scotrail - is similar to what we anticipate we will launch with.
Has somebody looked at the ScotRail photograph and confused 153s with 156s? The configuration of the ScotRail class 153s has a large part of the vehicle dedicated to bicycle storage (so very few seats are provided) and, if I understand correctly, toilets which are not wheelchair-friendly. A fleet made up entirely of ScotRail-specification class 153s would therefore be unworkable for passenger services - you would probably have insufficient seating capacity and you would not meet PRM (Persons with Reduced Mobility) regulations unless you locked the toilets out of use and provided a toilet-less service.

(PRM = Persons of Reduced Mobility)
2  All across the Great Western territory / Active travel: Cyclists and walkers, including how the railways deal with them / Re: Rhondda Tunnel on: January 10, 2022, 14:09:32
Back to our old friends Highways England (or are they National Highways now?)
Highways in Wales are, I believe, the responsibility of the Welsh Government. However, from a quick look at the article, I see that the Rhondda Tunnel is disused rail infrastructure so belongs to Highways England (AKA (also known as) National Highways) despite being in Wales. What a bizarre suituation; things would probably make more sense if the British Rail Board (Residuary) hadn't been abolished.
3  Journey by Journey / London to South Wales / Re: Is the current London-South Wales timetable peculiarly inefficient? on: December 11, 2021, 23:59:54
Operational Rules 2022 shows the minimum turnaround times as:
Swansea - 9/10 car 80X from Paddington: 30 minutes
Paddington - 9/10 car 80X from Swansea: 25 minutes
Smeg. My idea doesn't work by those rules.

Currently* there are two 'fast' trains in the 'standard hour' between Cardiff and Swansea calling at Bridgend, Port Talbot Parkway and Neath. One of these is the the hourly GWR (Great Western Railway) Paddington service, the other a TfW service to/from Manchester.

Eastbound, the two services appear to provide a nice, neat, half-hourly pattern. As a result running a second GWR service would potentially just be duplicating the existing TfW. Westbound however, the TfW service could be following just six minutes behind the GWR, with a 54 minute gap before the next train on a section of route with 2tph.

I believe the timings of the TfW service are constrained in Manchester and by needing to cross the West Coast Main Line on the flat at Crewe. So, I thought the thing to do would be to keep the eastbound timetable but cut the current westbound GWR Swansea trains back to Cardiff and extend the current Cardiff terminaters through to Swansea in their place. Problem being you then only have around 20 minutes to turnaround in Swansea, less than the required 25.

* well, pre-COVID

Asking a question "left field" and looking at pathing concerns. I wonder on this flow, and on certain others, if a good future approach might be to take 2 an hour from London to Swansea, but to the west of Cardiff alternate trains on the current stopping pattern and all stations (yes, I really mean that!) ... huge ramifications on other services along there.  Using 1 or 2 extra IETs (Intercity Express Train) over plan, sure, but isn't there a saving from not running the super fasts which, perhaps, aren't needed for a number of years?
Short term isn't there a shortage of IETs due to the cracks issue and longer-term perhaps the super fasts will be wanted again (although by then, one hopes, maybe there will be wires to Oxford and Bristol allowing a new fleet of EMUs (Electric Multiple Unit) to be built to cover that requirement)?

As for your left-field suggestion, the TfW Manchester-Swansea service should in my view be a Regional Express serving 15 stations (Manchester Piccadilly, Stockport, Wilmslow, Crewe, Shrewsbury, Ludlow, Leominster, Hereford, Abergavenny, Newport, Cardiff Central, Bridgend, Port Talbot Parkway, Neath and Swansea). You propose an IET service serving 13 (or 15 if Miskin and Brackla are openned) in south Wales alone (Newport, Cardiff Central, Pencoed, Llanharran, Pontyclun, Pyle, Port Talbot Parkway, Baglan, Briton Ferry, Neath, Skewen, Llansamlet, Swansea). It's an interesting point to raise, but KeolisAmey (who by the way I think were completely wrong in this regard) saw fit to order a suburban train, optimised for short dwell times with wide doors, lots of standing room, few toilets etc. for the former while your suggestion would see an Intercity train performing the local stopper duties.
4  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: Advent Quiz - day 10 - Mind the Gap between December 2019 and December 2021 on: December 11, 2021, 23:25:09
A little different for our "Advent Quiz" ... much more serious! looking to help our local Railfuture branch to complete a survey for a "Mind the Gap" exercise comparing services as the were two years ago and now.

I have been asked for answers for five "key flows" and it's clear that the request is regional / long distance and on that basis, what are the five "key flows" in the Severnside area?  My suggestion would be:
A) Bristol to London (Paddington?  All?)
B) Bristol to Birmingham
C) Bristol to Southampton
D) Bristol to Exeter
E) Bristol to Cardiff
Sorry, I don't think my knowledge is sufficient to provide a helpful answer (although when did Bristol to Cardiff/Southampton lose the 158s? you might be able to spin that as loss of facilities if you count interior doors to keep draughts out of the passenger saloon as a facility). However, "key flows in the Severnside area" sounds alot like "key flows within the Severnside area" which may or may not change the meaning of the question. Within Severnside you might want to add Severn Beach, consider the Portsmouth services only as far as Bath or Westbury, the Birmingham services as far as Cheltenham/Gloucester and lose the Paddington services from the discussion?
5  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Are the railways fit for their (future) purpose? on: December 11, 2021, 23:08:29
What is the connection between "wholesale rail closures" and the introduction of "compulsory voter identification"
No connection with "wholesale rail closures" specifically, but "compulsory voter identification" is predicted by some organisations to effectively disenfranchise fewer Conservative Party voters than voters who favour other parties. Not everyone holds an acceptable form of ID, for example I don't have a driving license and for a good few years my Passport was invalid (it had expired and I hadn't had sufficient reason to renew it). If those people who have ID are those more inclined to vote Conservative...

Thus, the introduction of compulsory voter identification would increase the likelyhood of the UK (United Kingdom) Government being able to "get away with" controversial actions in general.
6  Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Overhead Electrification Plans on: December 11, 2021, 15:17:13
I don't think that one method can be chosen above all others without looking into the costs, benefits and limitations of all of them
Isn't that what Network Rail have done with the TDNS (Traction Decarbonisation Network Strategy)? As I said, I've not read it cover-to-cover but the point of it seems to be an analysis of decarbonisation methods (electrification, battery and hydrogen) to determine which is optimal for each route.
 
Hydrogen and batteries may have a place on smaller branch lines, but main lines should all be electric.
I agree, and it would appear (with some scope for argument over what constitutes a 'main line') that Network Rail does too as the TDNS has electrification as the solution for the vast majority of the network.

That may well swing the balance in favour of OHLE for branches where trains do a fair bit of the route under wires. It may be cheaper to electrify than have trains with different types of motive power, and multiple refuelling facilities at depots.
I think there might be a bit of that at play in the TDNS; I cannot think why they would be proposing to electrify the Fishguard branch otherwise, unless this was a rather high-level analysis and everything west of Carmarthen was considered as a whole.
7  All across the Great Western territory / Who's who on Western railways / Re: Future of RoSCos (Rolling Stock Companies) on: December 07, 2021, 21:35:40
My understanding is that the stations will all be run by GBR (Great British Railways)…who will also sell the tickets & set the fares. It’ll be very different
The peice in Modern Railways casts doubt on that too (note that W-SP refers to the Williams-Shap Plan):

Quote from: Roger Ford (Modern Railways Dec 2021, page 34)
According to the W-SP, 'Dedicated station management teams will be created locally within regional divisions of Great British Railways to manage stations, land and assets'. Now, 'manage' covers a potential multitude of activities and I assumed it included staffing.
It then refers to the next item, which includes the following (PSCs are Passenger Service Contracts):
Quote from: Roger Ford (Modern Railways Dec 2021, page 37)
According to the Market Engagement Preview, a PSC's main responsibilities will be:
  • operating trains to a high-level of operational performance;
  • procuring, preparing and maintaining rolling stock;
  • delivering high standards of customer experience on train and at station;
  • acting as a train service operations partner to GBR as it develops and refines its passenger offer.
Bold added by me. Towards the end of that item, the author writes "I wonder what other heavyweight duties it " (a PSC) "will acquire as reality sets in?"
8  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: How green is your railway? on: December 07, 2021, 21:14:22
you cant ask the driver of a modern freight train to do similar with a bucket of diesel followed by a lighted match to burn off the vegetation but you could employ gangs spraying a glyphosate weedkiller to kill the vegetation instead but then that costs.
But 'vegetation' in general is not a problem is it? Trees, specifically, are as they are tall which means they could block the line if they fall and there may also be more 'leverage' in play in high winds which could make them more likely to fall over. The only thing you'd want to use weedkiller on is invasive species like Japanese Knotweed. My view is that any trees far enough away that they can't fall on the line should be left alone, but I can see a case for felling trees that could fall on the line. Once the risky trees are gone, allow brambles, hedging plants etc. to grow back on the linesides and keep and eye out for anything growing too tall and cut it back or root it out to ensure it can't fall on the line. Removing tall trees near the line but allowing short hedges eliminates the risk of falling trees and may reduce leaves on the line (falling from a lower height means they have less time airborne to reach the track) while still providing a (different) wildlife habitat, unlike bare soil or short, frequently mowed, grass. Unlike a tree, which could destablise earthworks if it falls, a hedge might also help secure earthworks but I'm no expert.
9  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Are the railways fit for their (future) purpose? on: December 07, 2021, 20:52:25
it's serious enough at Bradford-on-Avon to displace people back onto the roads, at Beeston to give severe overcrowding even in the time of depressed covid travel numbers, and at Barrow Haven to leave a station and line without a morning commuter hour train.
Not just Barrow Haven, the two 'Fishguard' stations have lost both their morning and evening 'commuter hour' services to COVID. I'm sure they aren't the only other stations to have lost their commuter-time services.


On the Fishguard branch, I've been told that the full pre-COVID service will be restored in the May 2022 timetable, but I've since been told that even then it will be six trains per day (back in 2011 it was increased from 2 to 7 trains per day, so there's still a cut although I think the overnight 'train', latterly advertised as a replacement bus I think, was probably useless and may have gone before COVID). In fact, it doesn't look like there will be any AM services at Fishguard at all until well into 2022, between 23:00 and noon the next day there is currently nothing, although the evening commuter service looks like it's being restored in the Dec 2021 timetable change the morning remains empty.

I would agree that there is a slow shift towards the kind of longer-termist Climate Emergency focused political view that Robin describes, as evidenced by impressive recent local election results for the Green Party in places like Bristol, London, Sheffield and Suffolk, and by the fact that the Conservative government have felt a clear need to focus on the messaging around COP26. However, I also feel that he is in danger of placing too much emphasis on this at the expense of the far more overriding short-term political imperatives that Central Office tends to focus on.
You go on to use election results as evidence to support your point. I would suggest that stronger evidence for your argument is that the UK (United Kingdom) Government have cut Air Passenger Duty, don't appear to be following Wales in looking into cancelling major road building projects and haven't given a clear signal that they are going to implement Network Rail's recommendations on rail decarbonisation (the TDNS (Traction Decarbonisation Network Strategy)). The Climate Emergency is clearly not all that close to the top of the UK Government's agenda.

This is why I believe that The Conversation article that Bmblbzzz posted is bang on the money when comparing the government's rail strategy with the other countries mentioned, and why when Robin asks the question "What western developed country could possibly get away with wholesale rail closures and forcing people on to the roads at this time?", unfortunately my answer has to be "Potentially the UK".

This is also why I would endorse grahame's call for people to keep their eyes open to the potential need to defend their rail service.
"What western developed country could possibly get away with wholesale rail closures"? I would answer that question 'None of them', but I think you asked the wrong question. Now, if you asked "What Government could possibly get away with wholesale rail closures"? then, electorally speaking, the current UK Government might very well get away with it, especially if they manage to bring in measures such as compulsory voter ID.
10  Journey by Journey / London to the Cotswolds / Re: Overhead Electrification Plans on: December 07, 2021, 17:56:22
https://www.railengineer.co.uk/rail-decarbonisation-update/ from July 2020 suggests it might be in due course ... and I need to turn up the Network Rail long term zero carbon plan too. 
The Network Rail plan is called the Traction Decarbonisation Network Strategy (TDNS (Traction Decarbonisation Network Strategy)) and can be found here (9 page summary version) or, if you have a few spare hours, here (full 257 page version). In fact, this is the TDNS 'Interim Programme Business Case', I'm not sure when we can expect the final version, which I think I read somewhere is supposed to include a suggested sequence for the programme.

My cynical suspicion is that decarbonisation plans consist largely of calls for research into batteries, hydrogen, or things not yet invented, rather than putting up the wires.

OHLE is expensive, calls for more research are cheap.
OHLE is very last year now, the future is "innovative solutions"
OHLE upsets the NIMBYs, but who could object to research into "green innovation"
The TDNS might contain calls for research into batteries, hydrogen, or things not yet invented (I don't know, I haven't read it through, not even the short version) but I doubt it largely consists of such calls based on the parts I have read which make very clear that lots and lots of new OHLE is recommended. For example, in the case of the Cotswolds line, the prefered option is electrification for the entire route (although the last bit from Worcester to Hereford is considered to be only marginally in favour of electrification).

Even if the Government accepts these recommendations, which they may not have done, there is a big problem in terms of when you implement it. The report strongly advises against ordering any new diesel-only trains, but diesel fleets already in-existance or on-order before it was published have a life expectancy stretching beyond 2050 and are potentially in sufficient numbers to run ALL the services Network Rail see as suitable for battery and hydrogen trains combined.
11  All across the Great Western territory / Who's who on Western railways / Re: Future of RoSCos (Rolling Stock Companies) on: December 07, 2021, 17:12:51
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The purpose of Roscos was to guarantee the long term future of trains under a short term franchise system. This will no longer apply.
My bold - really? Short-term franchises will I understand become short-term concessions, but reading the latest 'Modern Railways' there is a suggestion that the TOC (Train Operating Company) will still be responsible for train procurement. I doubt I'll be surprised if the new Passenger Service Contracts turn out to be very similar to the pre-COVID Franchise Contracts in terms of who does what, save for the fact that GBR (Great British Railways) will take the revenue risk (and perhaps specify livery).
12  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: Union Connectivity Review published on: December 01, 2021, 09:30:15
Perhaps Cornwall should become a devolved nation within the UK (United Kingdom) ? Connectivity between Cornwall and the other UK nations would then be important, with faster daytime trains of a proper inter city specification, direct to London, Wales, Scotland.
Rather than local services with connections at Plymouth and Reading.
Being devolved nations doesn't seem to have helped Wales and Scotland much is this regard. Holyhead, Swansea and Edinburgh will in a few years all have Hitachi class 80x units running their INTERCITY services to London, just as Cornwall does (albeit that Holyhead's will I believe have Transcal rather than Fainsa seats fitted).
13  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Are the railways fit for their (future) purpose? on: December 01, 2021, 09:25:11
The latest example is "far too many different types of not inter operable multiple units, a new age dawns when we standardise on one basic design, with minor differences in internal fit out" Think of the savings, the same design for many routes, and all interchangeable. Best to lease them in order that faults and failures are a supplier problem, supplier to supply agreed numbers each day.
Well, we have seen the failure of that project.
Unlike steam and locos, I don't think that last dogma has actually been introduced by the rail industry. While we have seen standardisation across LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about) and GWR (Great Western Railway) with the Intercity Express Programme (IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.)), the same doesn't seem to apply elsewhere. I'm not sure whether the class 196 and 197 Civity DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit) are inter-operable and have certainly read that they are NOT inter-operable with class 195 DMUs despite the class 197 design appearing very similar to the class 195s except for the addition of unit-end gangways on the 197s. I'm not sure if the Hitachi class 385s at ScotRail are inter-operable with anything else either.
14  All across the Great Western territory / Fare's Fair / Re: I am having problems with train line on: November 30, 2021, 17:52:22
Can I ask what members use to find out trains times?
Mostly https://tickets.gwr.com/gw/en/journeyplanning/mixingdeck and https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/ with occasional use of other sites. In the increasingly rare event I actually make a booking GWR (Great Western Railway) is probably the main one though I'm more likely to use other websites for booking (eg. if the TOC (Train Operating Company) has an offer/feature on their own site such as being able to select a specific seat to reserve) than for just looking up train times.
15  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: HS2 - Government proposals, alternative routes and general discussion on: November 22, 2021, 22:38:59
I can't find the link now but I have seen a very good video on why HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) benefits Aberystwyth.  It is because services cannot be increased to Aberystwyth because of lack of capacity between Birmingham and Wolverhampton. 

The key point is that removing high speed non-stop services from mixed traffic lines releases far more paths than the number of trains transferred.
While the general point is valid, the specific example is not; services cannot be increased to Aberystwyth, regardless of capacity east of Wolverhampton, because of long single track sections, shortage of rolling stock and possibly lack of train crew.

Also, I'm not sure how many (if any) services between Wolverhampton and Birmingham are likely to transfer to HS2 - in many cases it seems it would be useful to keep the current Pendolino/Voyager services just with more calls at stations like Milton Keynes added. I hope some capacity is freed up along that stretch though and used to allow the current indirect slow Birmingham-Holyhead services to be split into Birmingham-Wrexham/Chester and faster Birmingham-Stafford-Crewe-Chester N.Wales services.


What good is Trans Pennine electrification that is not electrified between Stalybridge and Huddersfield.  Looks more like two schemes one for Manchester suburban electrification and another for Leeds suburban electrification.
I thought that, as well as reinstating the MML» (Midland Main Line. - about) electrification, the Integrated Rail Plan also stated an intent to electrify between Stalybridge and Huddersfield.
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