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1  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: New uses for pacers on: Today at 06:03:25 am
From Rail Advent

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Angel Trains has announced that it has plans to offer Class 142 pacer trains to heritage railways and the emergency services following their withdrawal from service with Northern.

The proceeds from sales to heritage railways and the emergency services will all go to charity.

The Class 142 Pacer DMUs were built between 1985 and 1987. Since then, they have been refurbished and upgraded to offer a low-cost solution to train operators and routes where otherwise they might not have a train service at all.

The Pacers are due off-lease from Northern imminently. Angel Trains has said that it recognises the need for modernisation of Britain’s railways and has said it does not have any plans to re-lease any Pacers to any other operators.

The leasing company has 83 x 2-car Class 142 Pacer units in operation and is offering a small number of vehicles to the below organisations

Emergency services – all proceeds will be donated to a charity of the organisation’s choice
Heritage Railways – all proceeds will be donated to Angel Trains’ charity of choice, Railway Children
Additionally, the National Railway Museum at York is to receive one Class 142, allowing future enthusiasts to look back on the importance of the Pacer.

All remaining trains that are not set aside for further use by emergency services, heritage railways or community railways will be scrapped.

What happened to the DfT's competition, or do all winners count as being in these three categories?

And the proceeds of selling the rest (all but a small number of vehicles) for scrap will be ploughed back into Angel Train's business / balance sheet?  Grin Grin
2  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent Quiz - 2019 on: Today at 03:17:38 am
3  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - 2020 to 2045 / Re: What's happening on 15th December 2019? on: Today at 03:15:34 am
GWR have put out a leaflet specifically for passengers travelling from Stapleton Road and Lawrence Hill to Bristol Parkway. Note that there will be easements for doubling back from Temple Meads to Bristol Parkway.

Indeed ... I missed this post earlier ... follow up from me on the "Bristol Commuter" board:

Problem of local trains stopping short of Filton Abbey Wood - update from Bristol shared with me

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GWR have put the attached leaflet together and are working very closely with Network Rail to resolve, and they also have Meet the Manager events at both stations in the morning peak this week so customers are aware of the change.

To help GWR have a ticket easement allowing travel via Bristol Temple Meads, and the leaflet also details bus journeys through to key end destinations from Filton Abbeywood.

Apparently the London services and the Crosscountry services which are also an issue here, cannot be moved as they have to fit into tight slots at Paddington and Birmingham.  GWR had thought that they could still get their trains through to Bristol Parkway, but when NR System Operator assessed the paths their view was that they would not work. GWR reviewed each train as you can see from the leaflet they have together managed to find paths for several trains which do now go through to Bristol Parkway.  There is still an issue, especially in the off peak, but GWR have a ticket easement in place, and they will be happy to hear from customers to help find alternative bus routes to their final destination.  Network Rail Wales and Western are working with GWR on the solution and while this is not what either GWR or NR want to deliver in December, they are working hard to have a good solution in place in May.
4  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: December changes - all about more and faster journeys to London on: Yesterday at 10:01:25 pm
Problem of local trains stopping short of Filton Abbey Wood - update from Bristol shared with me

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GWR have put the attached leaflet together and are working very closely with Network Rail to resolve, and they also have Meet the Manager events at both stations in the morning peak this week so customers are aware of the change.

To help GWR have a ticket easement allowing travel via Bristol Temple Meads, and the leaflet also details bus journeys through to key end destinations from Filton Abbeywood.

Apparently the London services and the Crosscountry services which are also an issue here, cannot be moved as they have to fit into tight slots at Paddington and Birmingham.  GWR had thought that they could still get their trains through to Bristol Parkway, but when NR System Operator assessed the paths their view was that they would not work. GWR reviewed each train as you can see from the leaflet they have together managed to find paths for several trains which do now go through to Bristol Parkway.  There is still an issue, especially in the off peak, but GWR have a ticket easement in place, and they will be happy to hear from customers to help find alternative bus routes to their final destination.  Network Rail Wales and Western are working with GWR on the solution and while this is not what either GWR or NR want to deliver in December, they are working hard to have a good solution in place in May.
5  Journey by Journey / Shorter journeys in Devon / Linkage new train times with new bus times - Bideford, Barnstaple, Exeter on: Yesterday at 09:48:47 pm
From the North Devon Gazette

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Bus and train timetables at Barnstaple have been brought back into sync after commuters had complained of being unable to catch the morning train.

Changes to the December timetable by Great Western Railway for the Tarka Line service to Exeter meant bus passengers were unable to get to the station before the train departed.

Now Stagecoach South West has announced changes to its 21 service to ensure the two timetables match when the new GWR schedule begins on Sunday, December 15.

The problem was highlighted by a Gazette reader, who contacted us to say they had until now used the Bideford bus to get to the station in time for the 6.57am train.

The train timetable changes meant the bus would arrive too late to catch the first train and with a 'similar mismatch' for the second service.
6  Sideshoots - associated subjects / News, Help and Assistance / Re: Server issues on: Yesterday at 09:12:53 pm
Just out of interest, what happened to the forum software upgrade that was talked about last year.

'tis planned for Christmas ...
7  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: 2019 - TransWilts cancellation and amendments log on: Yesterday at 09:11:29 pm
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19:32 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 21:33
19:32 Westbury to Cheltenham Spa due 21:33 is being delayed between Chippenham and Swindon and is now expected to be 6 minutes late.
This is due to animals on the railway.
8  Journey by Journey / London to Kennet Valley / Re: New Timetable Fares Issue - Pewsey on: Yesterday at 03:16:58 pm
Further to 5. above. It is cheaper to purchase split season tickets (trains do not have to stop at the splitting point for this type of split):-

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14.2. If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.

Well spotted ... that was a change when we went from "Conditions of Carriage" to "Condition of Travel".  Prior to that, splitting was allowed at a none-calling station if one ticket was a season or similar and the other(s) were not. I recall a journey with multiple splits from North Camp to Melksham, and because I had a season ticket from Cholsey to Didcot, I was able to split at Farnborough North even though the train did not call there.    Scene 2 - difference of opinion with the train manager who told me that rule didn't apply on the North Downs line; he move on when I want across to my backpack where (I told him, correctly) I happened to have a printer copy of the NRCoC.  Note - this option is no longer allowed, but as FenMan pointed out two seasons now can be joined without a stop.
9  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: 2019 - TransWilts cancellation and amendments log on: Yesterday at 07:29:35 am
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05:17 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09
05:17 Gloucester to Southampton Central due 08:09 has been previously delayed, has been further delayed at Swindon and is now 15 minutes late.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

With a 10 minute wait scheduled at Westbury (this week) it left there just 1 minute late at 07:02, and the Paddington connection at 07:04 WAS made.

From Monday next, this becomes the 06:11 from Swindon, still 06:36 at Melksham but leaves Westbury at 06:54 and Warminster at 07:03 before sitting at Salisbury for 12 minutes (07:23 to 07:35).   Really going to please passengers going beyond Salisbury (NOT!!) - it doesn't allow a connection to an earlier London train, which would have been good reason.
10  Sideshoots - associated subjects / News, Help and Assistance / Re: Server issues on: Yesterday at 07:18:09 am
Presuming that your electricity is obtained from the grid, then some fossil fuel IS consumed and some particulates are emitted by the production of the electricity used by the server.
UK electricity is greener than that in many other countries, but by no means completely green.

You are, of course, correct. You also correctly assume our server is in the UK; may move from dedicates to the server to the cloud over Christmas, which is suspect uses less power per page served than the old server.  And in any case (wherever we choose) we are joining in with the electricity industry as they reduce to the point of elimination the use of fossil fuel.
11  Sideshoots - associated subjects / The Lighter Side / Re: Advent Quiz - 2019 on: Yesterday at 05:08:01 am
12  Journey by Journey / Bristol (WECA) Commuters / Re: Severn Beach timetable on: Yesterday at 05:00:37 am
Well now there's a thing - the only thing I knew for sure about the December Timetable changes was that nothing was changing on the Severn Beach Line... just goes to show how wrong you can be if you take your eye off the ball...

Whilst "no change" might be the headline / plan on the white lines across the central zone, there are inevitable "small" changes as the existing train pattern is kept, but the details are updated to work around other trains appearing at different times and in some cases in different quantity.



This is a "Beach" thread ... trains into Temple Meads going to be influenced by IET time changes and extras.  Backroom discussions did (as I recall, listening to others in whole-area meetings) save Sea Mills calls and bring up issues of skips at Lawrence Hill and Stapleton Road.  Interesting to see GWR and Network Rail showing "Avonmouth" rather than "Severn Beach" on this map they have published.

Other white lines ... I note comment elsewhere about changes that cause a half hour delay from Worcester into Bristol in the morning peak.   

From Heart of Wessex, a peak train stopping short of Bristol Parkway, and another setting off a few minutes earlier to stand a few minutes longer at Westbury.
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Northbound 06:40, 06:56, 08:07 from Frome this week
Northbound 06:42, 06:50, 08:04 from Frome next week

The 06:56 arrived Bath 07:45 and Temple Meads 08:06 this week - to Parkway
The 06:50 arrives Bath 07:49 and Temple Meads 08:08 next week - to Abbey Wood
10 minutes longer journey to Bath, 8 minutes longer to Bristol.
My guess is that Frome commuter are not going to be singing with joy

TransWits - white line, yet trains moved as much as 40 minutes.  Pointing out issues early on - like The Beach late adjustments mentioned above - has made the majority of these changes (but not all of them) on weekdays positive.
13  Journey by Journey / London to Didcot, Oxford and Banbury / Re: Timetable changes making commute longer on: December 10, 2019, 07:38:54 pm
Something like has already been happening now and then in the day, with, for example, a DMU from Oxford preceding an electric train from Didcot by a handful of minutes. Of course, if the DMU is delayed, so is the electric train.

The relief lines from Reading to Didcot have to take local passenger trains, freight, and express passenger services. Each has a different envelope, but pairing up trains with similar envelopes will help overall line capacity.  Where that's two freight trains running in convoy, not really an issue. Where it's two express passenger trains just co-inciding for a short while (Bournemouth to Manchester and London to Worcester?) not much of an issue either. But where it's a pair of slower trains / stoppers it's going to result in bunching of calls at places they both stop.

Above written from the comfort of my armchair ... as a bit of an educated guess. Please tell me whether I'm close to guessing the issues!
14  Journey by Journey / Swindon to Gloucester / Cheltenham / Stroud Valley timetable changes ... December 2019 on: December 10, 2019, 07:32:00 pm
This week, Stroud to Swindon at ...
13:52, 15:14, 15:52, 17:04 and 18:12

Next week, at ...
14:29, 15:29, 16:28, 17:29, and 18:07

Much more even - yes,   Better - for some, but concern that Swindon students who commute to Stroud College by train loose their 15:52 and now have to wait until 16:28.    No details of the numbers involve, but there's always an impressive number of young people getting on the Stroud Valley train at Swindon at around 07:45 (that's the service at 07:04 from Westbury - and I suspect they are the ones involved.
15  Sideshoots - associated subjects / News, Help and Assistance / Re: Server issues on: December 10, 2019, 07:09:38 pm
Ah, it wasn't only me! I've just double-posted (again) in another thread after I got the above messages or nothing seemed to happen when I pressed "post".

Marlburian

I am experimenting - 17:50 on 10.12.2019 .... please take copies of everything you post.

Still testing - but looks promising.  I have cleaned up a couple of tables that appeared to have got a bit dirty, and the database engine sounds like its purring not grating now.  For those of you concerned as to our long term future, our database engine is electric and indeed has never run on fossil fuel, nor produced particulates.
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