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26221  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Dft seeks views proposed approach for securing next Great Western franchise on: May 31, 2014, 09:11:11
http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Westcountry-railway-risk-treading-water/story-21169590-detail/story.html?

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Westcountry rail services risk "treading water" as the Government confirmed it will offer a shorter contract to train companies to run the railways - and may not open it up to competition. ...
26222  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: Encouraging visitors to the South West - FGW campaign launches on: May 31, 2014, 08:48:39
I seem to remember a documentary a few years back about the special "holiday trains" which took groups workers to resorts such as Blackpool during "Wakes week" and/or Glasgow Shipyard fortnight back in the 30s/40s/50s/60s - seemed to be mostly for Northern resorts but was there ever anything similar in the South West?

I understand that during holiday / works shutdown weeks, trains were run from Swindon to Weymouth to take the railway workers to the seaside.
26223  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: FGW 1st Class - ongoing discussion of the benefits and their apparent reduction on: May 31, 2014, 06:42:33
And hopefully you'll be making those views in your response to the Greater Western franchise consultation that's currently running, ...

Sorry to hijack your suggestion ...

Question for those who have already input to the consultation.  Are you getting any form of acknowledgement of your email to confirm it's got through?
26224  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / On the BBC news - the consultation for the next franchise on: May 30, 2014, 22:05:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-27635958

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Rail users have begun lobbying the government to safeguard a train service in the county.

Services between Westbury and Swindon were increased after efforts by rail group TransWilts and the local council.

But the franchise consultation document for the next five-year period does not include the newly increased timetable.

That really should say "does not FULLY include the newly increase timetable."


Here's my transcript of the piece that played on BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) Radio Wiltshire at 07:16 this morning:

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Ben Prater: It's 7:16 and a campaign's begun to safeguard neely increased train services in parts of Wiltshire. The number of assenger journeys on the line between Westbury and Swindon has risen from 50 to 400 a day since trains were increased at Christmas but travellars are worried that some of those services could already be under threat. They've not been included in a Department of Transport Consultation document for the next five year franchise for the Great Western Area. And that, it seems, could leave them vulnerable.  BBC Wiltshire's Karen Gardner has been getting the views of some passengers at Melksham

Passenger 1: I go to London. It save a lot of driving if you use your local station and it's got to be the way to get people off the road. The later train that this one is full. It's a single carriage and I've had to stand to Swindon so it's obviously being used more than they anticipated.

Passenger 2: I would be gutted because I use the train every day to go to work so I really like the service - it's fantastic from Melksham to Swindon every day - othewise I would have to go via Bath and then it doubles my commute. Ireally want to keep it.

Passenger 3: It's a bit poor really to be using it - you know, since it;s been increased teh service a lot of people are using it. So it would be a great shame if we lost it.

Passenger 4: I think it's a fantastic service and I think it's a real sham. I think it IS being supported and the trains are very busy particularly at peak time which is in the morning. Sometimes it's quite difficult to get seats. So it would be a real shame.

Passenger 5: If I want to take the family out I've got another option - I don't just have to take them on the bus. I can take them onthe train because they come back quickly.

Passenger 6: For the people working, that's quite bad isn't it? I just go to Swidnon to see my daughter so I just go once a week so it doesn't really effect me but I've been doing this for five years and there used to be two people at the station now there's about twelve so it's more than trippled. it would be a shame.

Passenger 7: Without this train I couldnt get to work so - angry - to be honset that they have increased the train and then they're going to take it away? Because there's so many more people that use this train now that from when I started back in November when I came here there would be 4 or 5 people now you get here and you're talking about 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 people

Ben: Passengers at Melksham. Let's get to Melksham Station now shall we where we join BBC Wiltshire's Karen Gardner. Karen - good morning.

Karen: Morning, Ben. Well Melksham station is tucked away down a little road called Station Approach North West of the town. You can hire a digger here, you can buy some tyres for your car or you can catch a train to Westbury or to Swindon. And as I look teh train - the 7:28 train I think it's a bit early or is just drawing in and a few people, perhaps half a dozen because it's half term so it's a bit quiet are getting on. It's not a big, noisy in-your-face station - it's a quiet polite little station that just gets on with it's job - doesn't it, Graham Ellis - you're President of the Melksham Chamber of Commerce and Industry and you've been campaigning to keep this line opened and to increase the train services.  How worried are you now about this consultation?

Graham:  The whole purpose of the Consultation is to get the inputs in and the inputs through so I'm not worried provided that we actually get those inputs in there. We're safe for a couple of years - it's all safeguarded there. The question comes in what happens from 2015 which - my goodness - is only next year through to 2020.  Do we cut back to just 6 a day, or do the extra two - you see one of them leaving just now - actually carry on running.  Because it would cut the heart out of the heart and lungs if one of them got taken out.

Karen: You're clearly passionate about this. Is there a sense of deja vue here?  I mean - this comes round again and you seem to have to campaign all over again.

Graham: I first got involved in this particular train service about 10 years ago and at that point then there were 5 each way a day.  We were told that because of a lack of inputs to a consulation that was when it got cut back down to 2 a day which was that previous service that some of the people were talking about before which was frankly pretty useless.  We've got the new service back here, we're up by a factor of 8 so this is democracy at work but we need to make those inputs - put those inputs in and indeed we have the website there which is www.railcustomer.info which has got a whole lot of the stuff to help guide people to what's happening and what's moving on.

We've got electrification coming on soe of the other lines. We've got recasting of services through Westbury. We have to make sure that we drop out of it with the right sort of services going forward for the future - that we carry on growing. Our surveys recon that we can go up to something like four times the traffic we've got at the moment over the next couple of years.

Karen: Now the Department of Transport would say it's there job to make sure that the money is being spent wisely - that franchises are being subsidised properly and they need to ask these questions. So what will you be saying to them?

Graham: We do have the various franchise figures - the benefit / cost ratios and all those various things there. We've got a very great deal of evidence to back up this case. I actually wonder if it's something like a slip in the specification where they've said that the train service is changed TO six a day rather than increased BY six a day.  But if it's a minimal as "oh, oops" then - hey - great - that's our job done if we get that message through. 

Karen: And what's your message to the people who are using the line?

Graham: Any issues you have, please get in touch with the Rail Partnership or The Chamber or First Great Western; everybody wants this to work, and this summer there's trains from here from Melksham to Weymouth every day of the week including Sunday - please use them; 10 to 10 in the morning. The more people we get on the train, the more our message gets through. So you can have fun and at the same time you can help support the case for the train here.

Karen: Ben, I'm old enough to say "let the train take the strain" and I think that's the message in Melksham today.

Ben: Thanks ever so much ... that was your express reporter there - express service; Karen Gardener at Melksham.

Now. First Great Western have told us they're pleased to see the serices exceeding passenger forecasts and the Department for Transport's Consultation is an important opportunity for people agross the region to let the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) know their priorities and views.

Meanwhile, Wiltshire Council has told us they are also pleased that passenger numbers have exceeded expectations and they hope the positive response will be reflected in the DfT's consultation.

Intersetingly, I remember being in a coffee shop in Westbury as part of the "Wiltshire to the core" project getting out and about a couple of months ago and asking where you lot think the centre of Wiltshire is and how connected you feel to the rest of Wiltshire, from wherever you are ...and the first subject of conversation that came up was about how great it was for people in Westbury to have those increased train services - a bit of a lifeline, some were telling me.
26225  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: TransWilts Brochure - summer 2014 on: May 30, 2014, 20:46:43
I've been checking every couple of days and it's still not appeared in the racks in Swindon ticket office. Lots of other leaflets about just about every Devon and Cornwall branch line, but not the Transwilts.

Thanks, John ... I wasn't sure if they had been and run out, or just not gone out.    They are on display in Chippenham and Westbury and as far afield (I understand) as Chandler's Ford - a batch out with our friends at Three Rivers  Wink
26226  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Dft seeks views proposed approach for securing next Great Western franchise on: May 30, 2014, 11:39:35
My sympathy Graham, DfT» (Department for Transport - about) seem very good at encouraging train users by gradually buiding up the service then they pull the rug from under it. Why?

The've done it once before with Melksham.  Now they've agreed to a more reasonable service and it seems to be being used why are they thinking of destroying it? What's the logic?


But are they?

The consultation makes it clear that they want you a) to include these additional trains in your submission so that they're added to the franchise, and b) asking you to justify it - which you've pretty much done above & elsewhere on this forum.

You have to remember that the bods at the DfT don't get out much, and all they do is to look at the current franchise and include any high-level political campaigning - they never get out to see the whole picture.

In the past, they thought that they knew better - these days, they give US the chance to influence THEM.....so get your bid in pronto....send it to me too if you want the Customer Panel to include it in their submission....

The service was two round trips in 2013.  Six extra round trips were added for 2014, characterised as being "every two hours" making a nicely integrate service of 8 round trips on Mondays to Fridays.

However, the consultation document says it is consulting on:
"Westbury^Swindon (twice daily); now increased to a two-hourly service".
when we would have much preferred it so say for clarity
"Westbury^Swindon (twice daily); now increased by a two-hourly service".

"once bitten, twice shy" ... if we go along with the suggestion, we're going along with service excluding the two old round trips ... and the 07:04 from Westbury is now the 2nd busiest train of the day, forming a good commuter opposite to the new 17:36 home.  Similarly, the 18:52 from Swindon has got much busier, forming a good return-home commute for people who go up to Swindon on later new trains, and so on ... the 06:12 off Swindon picks up significant traffic before Trowbridge, and the picture of Westbury that I've used to illustrate other articles on this shows the 19:40 ex Westbury with people waiting at all the doors to get on!!

Yes, we do have the chance to influence them - which is why we're writing in to do so ... Chris, you would be very welcome to include in your input a request to set the current TransWilts service level (which can be characterised as hourly peak / two hourly rest of day) as an absolute minimum.



Who says the 19:40 off Westbury is going to be quiet? ... and remember that it will get many more people joining it than leaving at Trowbridge, and also at Melksham.  Net drop in passenger numbers probably only at Chippenham; almost all change at Swindon before it goes on to Cheltenham Spa.




26227  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: FGW summer timetable 2014 on: May 29, 2014, 18:17:41
Just got hold of mine Grin ... and some good stuff in there;  nice to see train numbers and all the timetables.   Couple of very pedantic questions I would have, but that's a heck of a book to produce.
26228  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: Car Parking at Melksham Station on: May 29, 2014, 17:52:33
Much as I'm loathe to suggest it, isn't it time for FGW (First Great Western) to start issuing some Byelaw 14 threats to those who are obviously making use of the car park spaces and not on railway business? Correctly worded signs up first of course.

No. Melksham Station car park is owned by CRP (Community Rail Partnership) partners Wiltshire Council ... with whom I was having a useful discussion on this issue at the end of last week ...
26229  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: FGW 1st Class - ongoing discussion of the benefits and their apparent reduction on: May 29, 2014, 16:43:09
but surely it is incumbent upon the service provider to provide sufficient capacity?  Roll Eyes
But then, why would first group care? Did they not want to hand the keys back and walk away just a short while ago?

Hmmm ... it's incumbent on the service provider to meet the requirements of their contract, which may be to provide a certain level of services and may include targets relating to handling passenger numbers in some way (but it may not).  Second requirement - being a commercial company - is to make a profit.  Where there's a major flow of passengers, the company may choose to provide services to cope (Glastonbury), or not to (some late night events at the Millennium Stadium).

I'm not convinced that First wanted to walk away at any point.   More likely they wanted to (and did) hand back the keys so that they could be given the keys again after they had been made better.
26230  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: Car Parking at Melksham Station on: May 29, 2014, 14:13:02
Phil, people can drive to the station and take the train in any vehicle they like ... here's one from the other day

26231  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: TransWilts Community Rail Partnership admitted as a full member of ACoRP on: May 29, 2014, 11:57:59
News at ...

http://www.modern-railways.com/view_article.asp?ID=7904&pubID=37&t=0&s=0&sO=both&p=1&i=10

... and Lee and I went to an ACoRP (Association of Community Rail Partnerships) meeting hosted by DfT» (Department for Transport - about) in London last week;  I've had another CRP (Community Rail Partnership) meeting yesterday and we have several next week.  Looking now to support passenger growth, and retain customer satisfaction and services for the future.
26232  All across the Great Western territory / Looking forward - after Coronavirus to 2045 / Re: Dft seeks views proposed approach for securing next Great Western franchise on: May 29, 2014, 07:33:20
I suspect the concern is over the 2 original services which were effectively positioning movements to enable a unit to run the Swindon to Cheltenham service (but which now form useful second commuter services). They continue to run but are probably not part of the funding agreement. Once IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) is in, these may not be required, so could be withdrawn.

That is my concern, John ... especially as the consultation document says current level is now "2 hourly" rather than "hourly in peak, 2 hourly off peak" which is the effect of the extras.

If the early train in to Swindon and the later train out were withdrawn, "9 to 5" office staff would only be able to use the service if they could get to their place of work within a few minutes of Swindon Station ... here's a diagram with the yellow area being "9 to 5" capable now, and the green area being "9 to 5" capable if the 07:48 arrival and 18:52 departure no longer ran.



Further, onward commuting to Didcot / Reading / Oxford / Filton Abbey Wood / Bristol would be ruled out of these trains were lost, as would Swindon commutes for employees who work slightly different hours, or who need a fallback train if they have to stay late beyond the 17:36 some times.  See http://melksh.am/4278 for longer technical item

The Melksham Chamber of Commerce has written in already to ask for the level of service actually running at present to be the minimum.  And proposing that the train used runs back to / up from Westbury to form the service.  That answers most of the other flows that were originally identified, but could not be handled by a single train on the line. See full response at http://www.melkshamchamber.org.uk/coc_to_dft_may2014.pdf and please write in / add this to YOUR response if you agree!

There's also logic in sorting out the miss-mash of services south from Westbury to Salisbury at the same time; probably a net saving of a unit ... and a far FAR better service for Dilton Marsh and Warminster too, better links from Salisbury to Chippenham ....

Microsite about this - http://www.railcustomer.info

Edit to add extra links
26233  Journey by Journey / TransWilts line / Re: Loadings, cancellations and other issues on: May 29, 2014, 06:23:24
A busy day for me ..
09:15 at Melksham to Westbury -3 +5 -> 9  = 12/8
14:14 from Westbury 10 on arrival from TRO» (Trowbridge - next trains) -2 +3 = 13/5
"Quiet all around due to half term week" say crew; I can vouch for that business wise.
16:31 at Melksham -14 +3 -> 21 = 35/17 then -16 +5 at CPM» (Chippenham - next trains)
17:36 from Swindon left with 46 on. -6+10@CPM -5+0@MKM» (Melksham (Station code) - next trains) 55/5
18:38 from Trowbridge 12 from TRO +1 -0 @MKM 13/1
19:09 from CPM - between 25 and 30 on train / -6 +2 @ MKM

10:08 Westbury to Warminster carried 2 passengers - me + 1 other
10:23 back left WMN» (Warminster - next trains) with 6+me and picked up 5 at DMH» (Dilton Marsh - next trains)
"The similar trip at around 3pm is busy with school traffic - otherwise it's a quiet set of services" say crew.

Old reports from 3/5 ...
07:48 at Melksham -12 + 10 -> 72 = 84/22
09:02 at Melksham +25
Old report from 19/5
18:48 at Melksham -5 +2; 2 caught bus
26234  All across the Great Western territory / The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom / Re: Serco and the Caledonian Sleeper franchise on: May 28, 2014, 19:55:37
The new fleet, representing an investment of over ^100m, is expected to be introduced by the summer of 2018.  Reflecting their aspirations for the service, this is part-funded by a ^60m capital grant from Scottish Ministers.  The fleet, to be built by leading rolling stock manufacturer CAF, will be leased to Serco by Beacon Rail.  Significant improvements include ...

Would it be logical for Beacon Rail to order a run-on (and get the benefit of lower unit cost based on volume) for two more trains plus some spares to run the Night Riviera?
26235  All across the Great Western territory / Across the West / Re: FGW 1st Class - ongoing discussion of the benefits and their apparent reduction on: May 28, 2014, 15:11:42
A Spanish lady who really didn't understand the UK (United Kingdom) Railway asked me for assistance and I was able to help with the little Spanish I knew as we boarded at train for Southampton at GTA. But she also didn't realise she was about to in First Class. Thankfully I was able to point this out to her in time. There were RPIs (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context)) in the next carriage Roll Eyes

I had much less sympathy ...

Lest we forget, almost every carriage running hereabouts says "First" on it, and of course people who are new to the train service and / or speak little English are going to find it confusing.    If it's just "First" in words, it's OK on your standard ticket. If it's "1st" with numbers too, then you can't use it. Simples.

We may all know these obvious things on the forum ... but I'm reminded of the two young ladies I saw waiting at Swindon station for the South Wales train.   It came in and they stood patiently waiting for the doors to open ...
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